Thread 717504930

How did Square Enix destroy Final Fantasy so thoroughly and what can be done to undo the damage?

Should have stayed turn-based.

>>717504930 (OP)
End the series for good and focus all their efforts on Dragon Quest. The FF name is too tainted, it's been more than 20 years of slop.

Return to four niggas in a row.
Hell I'd even settle for three niggas in a row.

I'm not surprised. Rebirth was really fucking stupid and bad. Can't comment on XVI, it doesn't look interesting enough to try.

>>717504930 (OP)
I don’t know what’s more pathetic the idea of OP browsing through ai generated vidya articles so frequently the can post it within 3 hours of it going up or he’s reposting shit from multiple years ago

>>717504930 (OP)
did the original article used this pic or an anon added it for comic value?

>>717504930 (OP)
>How did Square Enix destroy Final Fantasy so thoroughly
This company has spent every waking minute since the PS2 days telling their former fans to go fuck themselves. I don't understand who thought this was a good corporate decision but I'm betting it's something similar to pic related.
This type of retardation is probably WAY more common than we think.
>what can be done to undo the damage?
At this point? No one game could save them. They could make a really solid turn based JRPG with innovative combat, good customization, fun characters and coherent yet unique plot and it would still only be step one on the path to recovery.

I'm not saying don't try, but you're not undoing decades of damage with a single action.

>>717504930 (OP)
>How did Square Enix destroy Final Fantasy so thoroughly
they kicked out their actually skilled veteran devs, and started chasing the Westoid wider audiences.
Same old.

>what can be done to undo the damage
Nothing realistically.
The best course of action would be an industry-wide demolition of the modern AAA industry as a whole, resulting birth and more fertile ground for the indies and smaller "AA" studios, that have more freedom and more modest budget.

>>717504930 (OP)
Square enix stock is up 74.07% YTD

>>717504930 (OP)
People realized it was gonna be more compilation dogshit after playing Remake, so they didn't buy Rebirth.
Good for them because I did buy Rebirth and had miserable time with it but I had to experience it because I used to be a fan.

>>717505269
That's because they were bought by a Singaporean company legendarily known for strip-mining companies they get into, doing lots of firing, and turning it into a skeleton crew.

>>717504930 (OP)
>Incels complaining that people are forcing mixed couples (americans projecting their Brand of racism everywhere)
>We're 5 generations deep in this crybaby ocean
>Despite melanin being a dominant trait We still have a truckload of white women to marry Brown Men for some reason
>Despite incels crying hourly that they're gone for the 50th time in a row
Either We have the eternal aryan and his wife constantly breeding to create endless waves or white girls to pop in your favorite racist media or this whining makes no Sense.

But yes Square enix is ruining FF constantly, it's a miracle they continue to get money from that franchise.

>>717504930 (OP)
>undo the damage
Nothing short of time travel could do that.

>>717504930 (OP)
fabula nova crystallis

>>717504930 (OP)
I think the neverending stream of FF threads hitting bump limit on this board proves there are still a lot of people attached to this franchise even if they feel burned by it. Regardless, fans want wildly different things from it so there's no way to appease everyone.

>>717504930 (OP)
>another trans pajeet ff hate thread

>>717505358
It’s really just because they consistently provide a return on investment for shareholders

They're the new Sega. Every decision they make is utterly retarded.

>>717505241
>They could make a really solid turn based JRPG with innovative combat, good customization, fun characters and coherent yet unique plot and it would still only be step one on the path to recovery.
They already did that last year, but SE fans historically don't care about RPGs so it didn't work out.

>>717505735
>SE fans
There are no "SE fans". There are 10 browns paid to post waifu threads on this site and pretend Flopbirth was good.

>>717505712
Aging salarymen are just too senile for the landscape.

>>717504930 (OP)
get it out of Jap hands

>>717504930 (OP)
As someone who bought both games I wish they were not an open world ubisoft clone and an action game respectively. I want good RPGs. Expedition 33, the Romancing Saga 2 remake and BG3 are all examples of games I enjoyed more than FF because of their gameplay being more satisfying.

>>717505838
>Braindead button mashing, but without the FF name on the box so I can pretend I'm special
>Satisfying
Expected out of a Nierfag though

If every game you've made has heavily underperformed your expectations for years, you might just need to stop lying to your shareholders and get some realistic expectations.

Didn't that one report show that the average FF player is like 43 or something?
This is a company who has now missed entire generations (plural) of people to appeal to and their old fanbase is drying up fast thanks to some deranged decision making.

Unless FF14 has a Heavensward-tier expansion coming up next expansion even their MMO-cash is going to start to burn away.

>>717504930 (OP)
Gee, maybe Rebirth should have been playable on a PS4 and/or PCs that could run Remake and more people would have purchased it

>>717505237
>original article
It was clearly posted 3 hours ago, anon. OP isn't an obsessive lunatic that would use a months old article repeatedly to ritualpost about a game his PC can't play.

>>717506281
>PCs that could run Remake
This. Fucking bullshit that my 1080 Ti cannot run it, but a 2060 can. It doesn't even have raytracing.

>>717506281
>PS6 is speculated to launch in 2026/2027
They're going to do it again, aren't they? FF7R3 is going to be exclusive to PS6...

>>717506379
If they can get it as a launch title that might not be a bad idea.

>>717506379
Game will be out before PS6 is out.

>>717506486
Part 3 will not release before 2028.

>>717505237
>anon added it for comic value
this one

>>717506169
It's the opposite, FF is unappealing to young people because it's an old series that never established any sort of cohesive identity and kept trying to appeal to multiple generations of people without ever once addressing its general design to create something unique that you couldn't get anywhere else.
It's the reason why even DQ, which is definitely still experiencing a strong erosion of its customer base, still manages to hold on much better than FF because DQ has a not just a reputation for being uncompromising, it has a tried and true formula, if you ask young people about FF they have no idea what the fuck is it about and think it's generic anime shit for boomers.

>>717506486
>>717506542
most people believe in a 2027 release, with 2026 as the hype-year
it sony is willing to pay to to get it on their brand new shiny device you bet your fucking ass it's going to be exclusive to PS6
not to mention releasing a game on the last year of the PS5 might be too retarded even for SE

>an interracial couple ruined Final Fantasy
>Not the cinematic bullshit that started with Spirits Within and the incompetent Square execs not getting blacklisted from the industry after the merger

>>717506542
Never ceases to amaze how many people have misinterpreted that report they put out.
They are very much aiming for 2027.

I did it btw
all of it

>>717506379
They've gradually backed off the exclusivity thing. Remake was Epic exclusive when it hit PC, and Rebirth hit Steam day one. Some exec even stated that exclusivity is hurting them.
>>717506631
But DQ is actually generic anime shit for boomers. It even had the ultimate boomer anime artist, Akira Toriyama.

>>717504967
which one is your favourite turn based FF?

>>717504930 (OP)
> what can be done to undo the damage?
Medium-budget crystal chronicles sequel to compete with Diablo

>>717506169
>>717506631

I think you're both wrong. In a rare turn of events, this isn't a Square Enix issue. This is an industry issue. I don't think SE failed to capture zoomers and alphies, I think the ENTIRE traditional video game industry failed to capture zoomies and alphies.
I'm pretty sure Sony, Capcom, EA, Nintendo, Blizzard, Microsoft, Ubishit and so on all face the same problem: their aging population isn't being replaced because the newer generations just play Roblox, Fortnite and phone trash.

Hollywood has confirmed to having this problem and, IMO, it's pretty clear that video games aren't doing any better.

>>717505241
>They could make a really solid turn based JRPG with innovative combat,
>japs
>innovate
lamfaoh

>>717504930 (OP)
B-b-but they made open world action games with cursing and interracial couples and gay people...

Why didn't that sell billions in the west like the consultants said it would...

>undo the damage
Do we really want that though? A company going this far out of its way to tell fans to go fuck themselves isn't really a company I want to see fortunes turn around for. Fuck them, let them die in the mediocrity they've created for themselves.

>>717506925
>zoomies and alphies
They both loved the Minecraft movie and the Super Mario movie. Hollywood needs an adjustment to establish themselves. I have no idea what adjustments video games could even make to appeal at this point.

>>717506925
>Roblox, Fortnite and phone trash
Perhaps they should move to where the puck is then. Consoles are DEAD. PC is DEAD.
Mobile has been the primary platform of the world for the past decade. It's time to start releasing games for iOS and Android. The devices have the power, now the companies need to bring the games or die in irrelevancy.

>>717506867
>Akira Toriyama
> boomer anime artist
You don't know what you're talking about dude. Toriyama makes timeless shit, I work with gen z and they all have DBZ stuff on their phone

Nier and Genshin for whatever reason taught Square that the future was real time action combat. They supposedly poached a bunch of Platinum devs instead of just hiring Platinum games to do another Nier game as well for some reason.

>>717507474
They're Gen Z boomers at this point.

>>717507485
Oh that sickness started way before Nier and Genshin.

>>717507435
Square make phone games too. They made that ff7 one not that long ago.

>>717507435
They've been doing that for over a decade and you people have been shaming every single game that is released on mobile and call it cheap mobile shit

>>717507691
>w-well if they like it they're BOOMERS TOO!
Alright whatever

>>717504930 (OP)
It's simple
No one has a PS5 and they targeted PS5
Even when FF7-2 released on PC the requirements were fucking ridiculous. Even the people with the specs to play it didn't want to have 200 fucking gigs of space wasted on one game.

If you're a developer that wants your game to sell you target PS4 pro specs.

>>717504930 (OP)
How did Square Enix destroy your butthole so thoroughly and what can be done to undo the damage?

>>717507835
I won't play mobile games, simple as, because I hate how small the screen is, but it's clearly where the market is. Every kid has a phone and or iPad, even starving Africans have phones, even elderly boomers play games on their phones and iPads.

I wouldve bought FF7R if it was a remake and not something completely different

Final Fantasy used to be carried entirely by its stories and production value. Its gameplay and such was always mediocre as fuck. But now, they are falling behind in graphics, and their stories have long since been revealed to be either dumb bullshit or nothing special really.

12 was unfiltered dogshit
13 was distilled dogshit
15 was dogshit essence
ff7 remake was concentrated gigadogshit
16 is actually pretty good even if it's not a final fantasy game
rebirth is absolute fucking kino
thus I am happy with the series trajectory, I finally enjoyed ff again for the first time since 2004
Jack's game is ludokino as well but that doesn't really count

>>717505712
Sega recorded losses for many years straight even when square was shitting out mega flops like forspoken and avengers they were still net profiting

I wonder what happens if the Cash Cow aka 14 dies

They should’ve just made a straight up remake of FF7 with an expanded plot instead of trying to justify it with multiverseslop.
It completely killed the remake series for anyone that isn’t a turbo-autist

STAGGERSLOP GARBAGE FLOPPED

ATB TURN-BASED GODS WON

>>717508128
Only turbo autists care about the OH MY SCIENCE IT ISNT EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD GAME, you got it backwards

What killed it for the normalfags (like me) is splitting it into three fucking games, miss me with that gay shit

>>717508128
I fully expect Seph to have one black wing and Cloud a single white wing like the KH games portray them.

>>717507983

This. Just update the graphics and the gameplay.

Why even touch the story?

>>717508209
>ATB TURN-BASED
>"real-time turn-based"

>>717507874
It's true, though. Everyone old enough to enroll is a boomer.

>>717508163
seething faggot

>>717506874
Super Mario RPG

>>717506874
FFV

>>717508361
Not an rpg I'm afraid.

>>717508426
Not turn-based

>>717508128
>>717508250
Sounds like you boys missed a little something called the compilation while requesting said remake

>>717505996
Honestly, if someone tried to make a game with Nier's combat system as long as FF 13 or 15 it would overstay it's welcome. I think you need substantially deeper combat if you want a game to go on that long.

>>717508217
They can make changes, that’s fine.
But those changes being “everything is a multiverse and maybe time travel or something” is genuinely awful.
Normies won’t get the multiverse stuff because it’s genuinely nonsensical.
>Example of a good change
Expanded Gongaga and adding Cissnei to it
>Example of a bad change
The fucking multiverse time ghosts

this aussie fuck was right

>>717508496
I despise retarded cocksuckers like you so much it's actually unreal. i am blind with rage

>>717506874
FFII

>>717508934
Your typing is pretty good for a blindfag

>>717504930 (OP)
They abandoned Nintendo hardware and tried to chase the COD and Madden audience instead of actual players

>>717508854
none of those games used hand drawn backgrounds

>>717508854
>40 year old dedicates yt channel to whining about modern ff
guess the surveys werent lying

>>717507924
Anon, they had a bigger PS5 userbase for Rebirth than they had on the PS4 when Remake was released. This isn't a player issue it's a quality issue.

>>717508541

Still not buying though, so what's your point?

>>717509525
>they had a bigger PS5 userbase for Rebirth than they had on the PS4 when Remake was released
Bullshit. PS5 just crossed the 60 million mark this week. In 2020 there were more than 120 million PS4s sold.

>717508075
>12 was unfiltered dogshit
No (You) for you.

>>717508854
rare to see a zoomlet actually have a good take
good for him

>>717508854
>and you don't play Final Fantasy to play Devil May Cry
Amen.

>>717504930 (OP)
Going full on appealing westerners, ironically. And to make matters worse these westerners were the 2010's woke ones. Squeenix bit the woke shit hook, line and sinker thinking it's the next big thing for the following decades and here to stay.

>>717509915
I actually really don't get the appeal of DMC. Every video I've seen of it has either been mindlessly wailing on mobs or that one Credo fight.

There's a Final Fantasy 16 now? Jesus Christ

>>717509982
Well SE is consistently about 5-10 years behind on all the latest trends, like trying to make a Game of Thrones narrative half a decade after it stopped being good, so I'm not terribly surprised they jump on woke now that the ride is ending.

>>717509982
>its bad because some background npcs are brown

>>717504967
How are they going to spend 200+ million dollars developing a turn based game? Do you think the investors would want them to develop a game that's only 20 million dollars when they could be making 10x the profit?

>>717504967
What a retarded post. The combat in the remakes is better than the original

>>717510196
>trying to make a Game of Thrones narrative
Key word being trying. In reality it's only surface level GoT and even then shits itself and turns into a parody of generic FF plots and unironically would have been better sticking with trying to be early GoT.

>>717510135
DMC is great, I own and have beaten every game. 3 is my favorite, unoriginal take as that may be, but what I want from Final Fantasy and what I want from DMC doesn't overlap much.

What's really wild is that DMC didn't actually sell very well at first. DMC1 sold 2.2 million copies lifetime (which is still more than Rebirth, kek) while DMC5 sold around 10m. Final Fantasy has taken a drastic dip in sales while DMC has steadily been climbing with almost every entry.
It's as if sticking to what you're good at and polishing it is a better idea than telling your entire fanbase to hang themselves.

>>717504930 (OP)
Makes sense, it is a shit game, only ffcucks like it

>>717510196
>>717510354
>all those random times a bunch of dudes are just huddling around the heroine
>nothing happens because they cant outright state 'shes getting raepeded'
Sad that they want to do "mature" stories but then because they still want to appeal to the masses they make it look goofy and tropy instead.

>>717510539
Anon 90% of those "players" are AFK skinfarmers or bots.

>>717510354
>unironically would have been better sticking with trying to be early GoT
Agree, but if the the TV show couldn't end it satisfyingly, what chance does Square Enix, of all companies, have?
Might as well go kill alien-space-rape-God or whatever at that point.
I'm still, to this day, surprised that FFT an Tactics Ogre managed to tell as good stories as they did when something like that is exactly what FF16 should have aimed for.

>>717504930 (OP)
I'll continue to hold that the most damaging thing they've done to 7R in terms of sales is this episodic shit over such a long stretch. Game was announced 10 years ago at E3
>>717505269
I know it's hard to not suck their cocks immediately but this is an FF thread, not a mobile division thread

>>717510539
>>717510635
>>717510970
Are you posting in the wrong thread?
What point is it you think you're making here?

>>717510890
The episodic shit didn't help, but by far their biggest fault was the title. They know full well what a remake is and what people expect when you title your game as a remake. To then not deliver a remake, instead make some poorly thought-out Marvel-tier multiverse slop, is what put people off. The average normalfag doesn't research their game purchases a lot, so they probably picked up FF7R1 assuming it would be a comfortable little nostalgia-journey down memory lane. When they realized this isn't that it's no wonder no one lined up for Rebirth.
Not even the dumbest normalfag is fooled that easily.

Whatever FF7R3 is going to be will be hilarious because even Rebirth is divisive at best.

Repind me why they splitted one full game in three parts?

>>717511517

Because Final Fantasy fans are stupid fanboys (not as stupid as they'd hoped though) and thought they could get (You) to pay for a game 3 times instead of 1.

>>717510226
>it's bad because it caters to normaltranny sensibilities
Yes, that's exactly why nobody cares about their games nowadays

>>717505623
The MtG FF set is the "best" actual FF product to be released in years and all they did was copy/paste characters, themes and artstyles from the games people like onto cards. Yes, they tried to force a lot of FFXVI shit since it is the newest thing, but someone wisely told them to focus primarily on VI, VII, X and XIV and secondarily on IV, VIII and IX. Although strangely that same person also told them not to do many XI cards because "you can't play that game anymore"...so yeah maybe just chalk this success up to random luck instead of good business practices.

>>717504967
I don't get why they strayed so far from this. I guarantee if they ever choose to go back to turn based the game would sell very well compared to their expectations and what FF16 sold. The west sees FF as pretty much inventing the genre as it is despite this not being true. They still have time before its too late. With the success of Expedition 33 now is the time for SE to strike while this iron is hot.

>>717508250
FFVIIR was one of two Square's break in case of emergency titles. They used KH3 and they used FFVII, only the latter is fully theirs, so they have to keep that train going as long as possible. You'll get your FFVIIR trilogy, then some side stuff, then FFVII: Alternative where Tifa dies and Aeris lives, leading to a whole new spin-off with Aeris and Cloud's offspring, and then another what-if with Sephiroth continuing to be the hero and Cloud as a side character who shows up at his side every now and again, and so on and so on.

Other than Chrono Trigger 2 (lol what's Cross), Square has no other options. They're going all in on Final Fantasy VII. I hope you aren't waiting for Final Fantasy XVII...

...because that game is going to be a direct sequel to FFVIIR that I mentioned with Cloud and Aeris' child.

>>717512372
They can't. All of their budget and efforts are tied up in finishing the fucking cursed FFVII remake(s). They only have time for budget stuff like the HD2D titles.

>>717504930 (OP)
All they had to do was either expand on the old story and side quests, but we got time jannies and more Nomura nonsense.

>>717512742
It is insane to me that they can hit an absolute home run with things like the Saga Frontier remaster (fully adds the missing Fuse chapter, tons of QoL updates without altering the gameplay or game system - all of the bugs / exploits are left in, all of the additions help to expand the existing story and elements, not go off on some new nonsense) and then you have the trainwreck of the 7 remakes.

>>717504930 (OP)
>>717504967
>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

I think Forspoken is emblematic of everything wrong with that company, only an operation that was truly retarded from top to bottom could vomit such a thing into existence

>>717508854
But FF 7 Remake has a good story better than E33

>>717513031
Too bad the PS audience doesn't give a shit about SE games.

>>717505697
They do so by stripping down the business to a skeleton crew. Guys like you wonder how "enshitification" happens across all industries.

>>717504930 (OP)
They need to remember the fact that the FANTASY part of FF is what made people love them and stop trying to make their games realism slop. 16 and Rebirth are such ugly fucking games.

>>717504930 (OP)
>just hat to make FFVII 1:1 with better graphics
>add retarded shit to the story because SE thought zoomers and normalfags played any of the compilation shit
>Make it SNOY exclusive cucking any day one hype/FOMO sales
>Make sephiroth a wet noodle you beat up constantly while spoiling his other forms
>stretch the game out to hell and back to justify players paying for a chopped up version of the game
I wonder why

>>717504930 (OP)
Don't let zoomies see that
Haven't you heard, anon?
FF7REEEEEEE is the goat
>>717505241
This is exactly what happened between remake and rebirth
Millions of under informed consumers got tricked because marketing, realized what it was all about, and never bothered to return for rebirth
Good.
My only hope is part 3 does even worse, regardless of what the budget is
>>717506694
All square knows how to do anymore is peddle empty symbolism
It makes the most sense to "FiNiSh ThE tRiLoGy" on the 30th anniversary of 7

>>717510254
Why do they have to spend 200+ million for it?
Just do what clair obscure did and give the rest of the unused budget to existing projects that are doing well

>>717513470
Come now, anon
How else will you ensnare those ever so lucrative immersionfag and moviefag demographics?

>>717513474
When I wholly and truly understood its beyond salvation is when I saw the redxiii cosmo canyon scene.
What should be HIS resolution with his father is then blemished with even besides that retarded voice gimmick just SEPHIROTH LOOK ITS SPEHITOHT! OOOHH SPEHITHOHT!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w58g9dqZmhk

> They screamed about no-one would buy turn-based games and they're just a thing of the past due to system limitations
> When BG3 was coming out

lol, lmao even

You see, it all started when they for some unholy reason thought a 3D movie in 2000 was a good idea....

Probably no exaggeration to say that was when the collapse every 5 years or so started.

>>717504930 (OP)
Oof... Meanwhile Persona is killing it. They should just have stuck doing turn based with simple and less cringe stories. Sad.

>>717506925
>the newer generations just play Roblox, Fortnite and phone trash.
>Hollywood has confirmed to having this problem and, IMO, it's pretty clear that video games aren't doing any better.

Where did this generation go wrong and can they even be saved?

>>717514936
free/low cost experiences

>>717504967
This but unironically

>>717504930 (OP)
Should've used another hot female MC like Lightning.

>>717504930 (OP)
Rebirth is the only good FF that's come out since 12

>>717508848
And yet it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>717504930 (OP)
>pick one game to "remake"
>it is not an actual remake
>also dive said "remake in 3 parts so people have to triple dip to get the full experience of what they are expecting

Should have just made the one remake everyone one wanted the way they were hoping for.

>>717504930 (OP)
Their stock almost doubled this year im sure square is really worried about a schizo reposting an article from 3 years ago or whatever two more weeks

>>717515494
Doesnt even matter, all you people would have bought it anyway. What hurt them is waiting far too long to start the project and splitting it up.

>>717511637
>>717511556
>>717511350
>>717510970
>>717510635
>>717510539
mega based
now post FF numbers

>>717515471
ACDC?

>>717515673
but I didnt buy it. I never buy anything on sale and when i saw the square pulled the rug on us I simply stopped caring for the remake

>>717504930 (OP)
>Should've instead left it be turn-based and innovated the turn-based mechanics.
>Should've never gone to appeal to westerners.
>Should've never went with realistic graphics.
>Should've never made it into some retarded AAA franchise.

The only way to undo the damage is to make a Final Fantasy X Front Mission game with FFT's job system combined with Front Mission's pilot chip and wanzer building systems.
Make the graphics maximum stylized and preferably hire a mangaka with a really good artstyle for both humans and mecha.

>>717515861
Their fate was sealed once they moved to US

>>717515520
funny how no matter how successful they are, the fans remain as insecure as ever and one negative post on 4chan can still cause such immense upset

>>717515927
Darn. So no hope for them...

>>717512947
NTA but I actually recently bought this remaster since its one of the old JRPG from back in the PS1 days I have a ton of nostalgia for. It really is an amazing remaster for anyone who was a fan of the game. Just as you said, on one hand they can give a love letter to fans with this game but then on the other they make trainwrecks. I kind of see it this way with the industry itself as a whole though not just limited to SE.

>>717504930 (OP)
Need to scale down
Both games were good and sold well, but they both clearly cost a fucking million gazurgibillion shekels to make, and they're not really better for it
These games need to be bought by half the human population to make a profit

>>717516089
Neither game sold well for a Final Fantasy game. Remember that XV still broke 10 million sales and 7-Remake sold over 7 million

>>717516089
>sold well
>bought by half the human population to make a profit
So half the population bought it huh?
Yeah I guess thats 'sold well' wonder why no one plays on PC though, cause they bought 4billion ps5s so they dont bother to get a pc?
Fucking retard.

>>717504930 (OP)
Reduce the fucking scope.
I don't want some 80 hour slop that's chock full of shitty sidequests just because some retards have no friends and "just want to spend more time with the characters :D".
Give me some 30-40 hours game where most of the time is spent in the main story, you know, like every Final Fantasy before 12.

SE will release a statement saying "this game sold like shit" and an anonymous fanboy on /v/ will say "no it didn't :)"

>>717508854
he sucks of E33 and think FF should now be that so really he just wants a remake of 10

>>717511350
pc got really shitty taste

>>717513031
bring back zack and then do nothing with him

>>717513474
>>just hat to make FFVII 1:1 with better graphics
but its gameplay is shit

Zoomer here,
Ff1 is good
Ff2 didnt play
Ff3 didnt play
Ff4 is good
Ff5 is ok
Ff6 is good
Ff7 is good
Ff8 didnt play
Ff9 is good
Ff10 is ok
Ff12 is ok
Ff13 is utter dogshit
Lost interest
Gonna go rot my brain on tiktok now cya

>>717505120
Don't listen to this anon, 3 is not enough for proper strategy.
FNIAR > TNAIR

they're shitting on old fans faces trying to attract younger players, while the franchise can't seem to attract any young player at all and is losing all the old fanbase

>>717505241
>>717504930 (OP)
squaresoft was infected by the EA virus and was never cured of it, so they brought the virus along when they merged with Enix and the virus festered and infected everything and turn FF to shit

>>717515471
Straight facts

>>717516997
Except that's not true, the atb combat feels quick and not as archaic as true turn based, you have a lot of party members to choose from and materia combinations are cool. Also some quests have different outcomes which is cool. They had it right almost 30 years ago and the threw it in the bin
>inb4 you post the rufus boss fight

>>717516089
They can't / won't. They have also gone on record that a FFVI remake would cost hundreds of millions to make as well. They have lost the plot at this point.

Since you're posting steam numbers, the fact that even a late port like stellar blade got more players than FFR is hilarious.
I dont know why but there is something about the FF7 remakes that feel off putting to me, even compared to other 3D FFs. I'm guessing other feels the same.

>>717516997
At least it's true turn based and not a wanna be ATB wanna be DMC game that fails at both.

>>717518014
I'll never understand why people hate on the Rufus fight - it is intended as a spectacle, not a challenge (maybe its a challenge for those who don't opt to un-fuck their materia beforehand, but the game gives you two prompts that you will want to adjust before the fight).

People are aware that XVI is a hack n' slash and FFVII "Remake" trilogy is a farse.
No copium will change that.

>>717518252
It's low hanging fruit for people looking to hate on rpg's

>>717518110
To me its just FFR feels too boomercore. Its a weird feeling in that while the characters look young in the game you can feel the sheer 'hello fellow kids' vibe throughout the entire thing. It's fucking cringe as hell.

>>717518110
I like that 7R copers had a million excuses to explain how it was ACTUALLY a runaway success, but it's failed by every one of their own metrics. Practically every other game has outdone it, and the best they can do is say it outsold... another FF game, lol

>delays both games for 1 year on PC
>WHY IS IT NOT SELLING??

stupid fucking Japs

>>717518525
The cracks already showed when FF13 collection got ported to steam, then FF15, and finally FF7R integrade. None of these games had breakout steam player counts.
The media and its fans have greatly overblown FF's popularity for decades. Most people besides 90s and early 2000s boomers care about it. Hell by the early 2000s FF's popularity was already on the way out and the disastrous FF14 launch nearly sank the entire company.

Bumpan

>>717504930 (OP)
Square Enix destroyed Final Fantasy simply by existing. The merger meant they suddenly had an iconic and legendary JRPG series beloved in their home country specifically because it's the baseline standard by which all other JRPGs are compared to, and still are with its new releases to this day. As a result, Final Fantasy couldn't simply be Final Fantasy anymore, it had to be the complete opposite of Dragon Quest in order to avoid Square Enix competing with itself. Sometimes the changes hit, sometimes they fail hard, but it means Final Fantasy has been horrendously inconsistent.

Wasn't this exact same thread made yesterday?

maybe im not remembering correctly but when FF7 Remake came out on PC it was Epic exclusive and costed like 80€

idk what the boomers at Square are smoking desu

>>717518985
That too. The only rpg I made an exception for was P5R because I wanted it for years. Then FF7r comes along and it's like 70 dollars and I'm like hell nah.

>>717519201
bAsde

The FF remake should have been the easiest homerun of the century, literally "break the case for free millions".
Yet Squeenix managed to turn in a generational fumble of the Concord's magnitude. Truly impressive, imagine turning an universally beloved story into pozzed multiverseslop pile of shit because you are too stupid to tard-wrangle your KH out-of-touch writers.

>>717504930 (OP)
Dios mios....

>>717519291
Remake really does feel like fanfiction. It doesnt feel genuine in the slightest.

>>717519291
Only way it would have been a truly huge breakout success was between 2005-2010, when hype was big and when FF still had a relatively large status within the gaming sphere.

>>717519291
trvek nkve

The ps3 tech demo but as a full game would have been enough honestly. They should have brought it out around the early 2010's
https://youtu.be/AUY6uc4w3Zw?si=f84FZt-uBth_RzQK

Everything in the remakes is dragged out to an incredibly tedious level. I could somewhat tolerate it in the first game but in rebirth they went way overboard with it. Locking all of the cool materia behind boring ubisoft tier world intel instead of having you find it by exploring was really shitty.

Faggot Trantasy was never good

>>717519907
lmao that last shot!
Cloud looking like a coke addict hitting the crack pipe for the first time

>>717520057
But enough about the Cloud model from Rebirth

>>717518895
do you say that in the tifa and scarlet threads?

>>717520057
True, the only thing they got right with the remakes we got is how pretty the main characters are. But if the rest of the game is trash then what does it matter?

>>717520336
Who?

>>717508854
I always thought this guy looked like a temu Markiplier

>>717505241
>pic
that's pretty much how all major corporations operate. they don't give a fuck about you if you like their products. they care DEEPLY about anyone who doesn't care about them, because they think those are to people they need to sell to.
a good example are programs were you rate a company.
>good to max rating: this is a fan, whatever he says is completely irrelevant, he will buy
>low to medium rating: immediately ask what's wrong, very important customer!
>lowest rating: ignore, those are butthurt fans who will always come back for seconds
and before anyone now goes
>but that shit is wrong and it explains why so many products fail!
let me tell you this: big corporations do not care what (you) have to say about anything. they have expensive, incestuous nepo-baby advisors who went to harvard with their daddy's money, who will tell them retarded shit all day, and they eat it up. there is nothing you can do, except watching the fire consume one after the other.

>>717504930 (OP)
Squenix are retards who think their old IPs should earn them exponentially more each fiscal quarter

>>717520768
You're not wrong but that entire article was another chapter in Bioware's total whine and cry down to avoid taking any blame.
As fucking terrible as EA has been, BW has sucked for years and years and everyone always treated them like children and pretended they were faultless.
When Veilguard failed all the former staff started a non ending cryfest about how they couldn't properly create, when the fact is that they suck at their jobs, corporate interference or not.

>>717504930 (OP)
What went wrong?

>>717504930 (OP)
Enjoyed the game as I was playing it, but upon finishing and processing what I played, I started thinking unwell of the game, like it's a really bad gamer aftertaste.

>>717521423
>taht imgae
LMOA

Remember when a FF7 remake was considered the ultimate game a company could make, on par with Half Life 3?

>>717521423
>>717521553
I'd bet my nuts this is same schizo tranny making the daily Expedition 33 threads

Remember how hyped people were when the first trailer dropped in E3 2015?

>>717521847
Expedition 33 is actually a wildly successful masterpiece and not a piece of shit like Redditbirht thoughever.

>>717521847
hate* threads ofc

>>717521423
you just know he's telling himself that it is the greatest game ever just to cope but one day acceptance will hit him like a truck

>>717521927
yeah my bad I forgot to write "hate threads" lmao

>>717522038
Kek, all good fellow anon *hugs u*

>>717504967
I don't see how that would have changed the BlackRock game mechanics

Would the aesthetics of the original trailer have been better? I feel like the color and the UI here are more classic FF. The actual end result feels like generic unreal engine in every way.

>>717522162
Shart Peenix are such retard for firing Cyber Connect from tish project I guess Cyber Connect hda to much respcet for teg orignal gam

>>717522281
Yeah. I bet their elevator was better too.

>>717518786
I don't think its popularity has been overblown at all. It was popular for sure at a point. It just lost a lot of this popularity probably because they didn't really manage to maintain their audience while also building a new future audience. The remake to FF7 isn't even a remake as we have been groomed by the industry to believe. Its more like an alternate universe FF7. This is not the remake most people had in mind at all and really nobody could have predicted SE was going to "remake" the game in this sort of a way. Nobody fucking predicted the time jannies thing. Absolutely nobody saw that coming only nomura did.

>>717513190
No audience gives a shit about Flopbirth.

>>717504930 (OP)
I dont have any investment in FF but i have to praise tetsuya nomura because he has incredible talent in making schizos from /v/ angry on unreasonable levels, the fact most of them are in their 40s makes it even better.
I hope the next game is announced very soon

>>717504930 (OP)
MUDSHARK ALERT

>>717522589
TVRKE NKVE

>>717520768
I like this post. This makes sense to me.

>>717522664
Vs what we got

>>717522162
Looks more like a video game sure. FF7R's UI feels like I'm using a video editing program.

>>717517154
You should play 8. Go in with an open mind and it's surprisingly fun.

>>717504930 (OP)

Let´s begin by the end. The damage can not be undone. Even if they were to attempt to replicate everything that made them their name during their golden age it would be for naught. Not only they don´t have artists with that kind of talent anymore but former fans have long overcome their betrayal and moved on. I don´t mean it in the sense of staying mad for 2 decades, though for some that may be the case, but in the sense that they no longer expect anything from the brand, probably they don´t even pay much attention to it anymore either. They´d have to be won over from zero by a quality product which SE is just not capable of producing ATM.

It´s over.

>>717521423
Jeetposters are 100% wrong 100% of the time.

>>717505735
Let me add some qualifiers then because this is a retarded claim
>the turn based rpg must have a substantial budget and effort, not hd2d 5 man in the closet job
>the turn based rpg must be a full game, not half a game, not a third of a game, not missing entire rpg systems like equipment, it must be comparable to a 90s jrpg standard
>the turn based rpg must be sold at a price people are willing to pay in the current market vs the current competition, that means your game is not worth £50 or £60, period
squenix have not released anything matching the previous criteria AND these obvious fucking criteria in forever

>>717519291
But how do they remake it? You say it should have been easy but do you really think so? So just make the current graphics it has and follow the story to the letter? You do know FF7 was full of all sorts of strangeness and didn't originally have any voice acting right? It was also one of those lined up in a row games. I don't think it is as easy as you make it out to be. Even if they stuck exactly to the story, scenes and gameplay of the original this would have been hard since VA is pretty much expected in modern games.

In my opinion it was a mistake to remake it period. They should have just did some sort of a retro style remake/remaster so that it has nicer looking chibis for the field models since that seems to be what most had in mind as the biggest issue of the original feeling dated.

>>717522838
Yeah they had the perfect font to match the original feel and then used calibri instead.

>>717508854
He's completely correct, whoa, a talking head was actually right for once.

>>717522875
>but former fans have long overcome their betrayal and moved on
This. It is important to state that if SE was to make positive steps, those would be to re-ESTABLISH a fanbase, not to re-please an existing fanbase. Everyone who cared have long since sought and found better games. The road to SE's recovery begins by accepting that they are back to step 1.
And that's probably pretty daunting which is why I'm assuming they seem to want to live in denial as their sales fall off a cliff.

Some anon here had a really good writeup that I wished I saved, but the long and the short of it was square completely and utterly failed to capture a new wave of fans during 7th and 8th gen and that's why the series is now on life support from 40 year olds with arrested development. You can't save it at this point.

>>717520576
>temu Markiplier
Huh. Can't unsee that now.
He's still right though.

>dogshit 2 hour long sewer level that you must visit twice to progress the story
What were they thinking?

>>717505735
>>717505809
>>717522952
If only SE could still make turn based games...

TIME TO GO BACK TO THE OL' XIV WELL

>>717505060
>End the series for good and focus all their efforts on Dragon Quest.
Dragon Quest is on the verge of dying as a franchise retard.

>>717506874
FFX has the best turn based combat of any FF game, but my favorite is VIII because I like the story, setting, and word building the most.

>>717508435
Yes it is.

>>717523387
>meh, our most delusional fans will defend it because it's more time spent with tifa and aerith. who cares if it's boring as fuck?

>>717504930 (OP)
I hate to say it cause I hate the fans, but E33 with a larger budget is pretty much what SE could make and it would be extremely successful.

>>717513116
Neither of those things are true.

>>717523007
>But how do they remake it?
it is very easy; by remaking it. down to the tiniest detail, down to the lighting, down to the placement of every small doodad
it should all be identical, just with improved fidelity
THAT IS IT
that is all anyone wanted
same combat system, same world map, same vehicles, same everything
it didn't even need voice acting but if it was added it should match the exact text that was in the dialogue boxes outside of obvious errors
the ost should have been the same
the only thing "new" any remake should have ever done was potentially add more EXTRA content. for example some post game ability to fight sapphire weapon, or more underwater dungeons similar to the gelnika for post game, or more different routes in the battle arena instead of just the normal and boss ones that exist, they could add any number more without impacting the game at all

>>717523325
One of the biggest generational misfires was the PS3. As far as I can tell nobody, not one person alive, genuinely liked FF13 and they spent a fucking million years shoving that cunt down our throats. Sequel after sequel to the, probably, least-liked FF game ever made. This was mistake number 1.
Not only did this one move hemorrhage their fanbase but, in true Square Enix fashion, they also horribly misread the problem and decided that it was the turn-based combat was to blame. A ruinously stupid decision in light of the fact that they'd built their entire series upon variations of this formula. That was mistake number 2.
Lastly they concluded they needed to make action games. I have no earthly idea how they came to this conclusion considering Final Fantasy had never been action games, but about two decades of this retardation lead them to where they are now. That was mistake number 3.

>>717523626
I'd play that.

>>717523740
>I want a texture pack
You know those are free right

>>717504930 (OP)
Because gamers are retards with shit taste, rebirth is the best rpg i have played since dragon quest 8 and the only rpg that gave me a feeling of a globe trotting journy like grandia.

>>717523626
I don’t know how they achieved it but I went from somewhat interested to skipping the game. Easily the most obnoxious fanbase I’ve witnessed in years.

>>717523883
>nobody genuinely liked FF13 and they spent a fucking million years shoving that cunt down our throats.
Yup, genuinely mindboggling decision to give 3 FUCKING GAMES to the worst FF of all times.
Someone must have been mad power-tripping at SE, but then again one of the chars is designed after a Bible Black hentai girl so it's not so surprising...

>>717524127
Grandia is a masterpiece that will last through the ages compared to the mediocre mess that was Shitbirth.

>>717504930 (OP)
Because they didn't remake FF7. Instead they opted to create some soulless sequel/paralleloquel nobody asked for.

>>717523883
>Lastly they concluded they needed to make action games. I have no earthly idea how they came to this conclusion considering Final Fantasy had never been action games, but about two decades of this retardation lead them to where they are now.
It's fine to make action RPGs. Problem is it needs the RPG part. Fromsoft games have a shit ton of RPG elements: different weapon classes, dual wielding, 2 handing, 4 set armor, tons of spells that consume mana, elemental resistances, status ailments, different stats.
Now look at FF16, it literally has none of these! FF15 doesn't really either. All to appeal to the modern audience, but the modern audience went to play Elden ring and BG3.

>>717524168
A lot of it is falseflagging, frankly. I hate to be a schizo but it had people dedicated to being annoying as possible to ruin the reputation of the game. The first ~week or so of threads was beautiful. Then when it was clear the game was a Cinderella story type of success it became another piece in the culture war and everyone just started to shitpost and ruin discussion of it and the fanbase here on /v/.

>>717524330
>It's fine to make action RPGs.
Not if the fanbase you've been cultivating for decades over 13+ games enjoy turn based combat. Then you get a small handful of fans who cringe and try to play along while the rest of them leave.
FromSoft established early that they're making ARPGs, and that's what you get. They'd shed customers in the millions of the next Souls game was a soccer game, even if it did have RPG elements, because that's a completely different genre.

>>717523883
>>717524180
The issue was that the FF13 phase was concept first.
So, when FF13 released, before the negativity set in, SE already had
>Two mainline sequels
>A major side game project
>A slightly less major side project
FF13 was always gonna be the next six or seven years of FF, and SE fucking up and dropping the ball that hard with 13 basically ruined them.
Like, think about it like this:
FF13 released in 2009.
FF15, the last part of FF13 (by technicality, it's still the raw materials of Versus 13) released in 2016.
SEVEN YEARS of mainline releases was FF13. The only other main title in there was a fucking MMORPG that, as everyone should remember, bombed horribly and everyone hated until it relaunched.

>>717523740
>by remaking it. down to the tiniest detail, down to the lighting, down to the placement of every small doodad
Apparently this isn't nearly as easy as you may think. I don't necessarily disagree but I've seen it said recently that its not actually as easy to remake games as we all have been led to believe. According to many devs its a lot easier to make your own unique art assets rather then recreate existing art and make sure you do it justice since for many old games its often not exactly clear what a piece of art in the game should be or look like.

So if you take this and factor the entirety of FF7 into account then it would have been extremely difficult for them to remake such a game but with modernized graphics.

>>717524683
>it's no easy okay!!!
>that'll be 210 bucks for a game we split into 3 and even more if you want the DLC

>>717524210
the second half of Grandia is trash, Rebirth is a better game

>>717524683

So they wanted to cash in on FF7 brand but didn't want to/have the skill to do the work to remake it but they decided they'd just lie and call it a remake despite that not being what it was?
And they wonder why no one showed up for the sequel?

>>717524683
>it would have been extremely difficult for them to remake
ok? boohoo?
none of this means I have to like the slop we got. all games are hard to make. some of them are bad. I dont buy bad games and rate them 10/10 for effort.

>>717524864
The entirety of Shitbirth is trash, so that still puts Grandia ahead.

>>717524837
>>717524995
Objectively they took the hard way instead of making it some easy slop they could just entirely outsource/cut content from.

>>717525079
rebirth is a great game, it's just not perfect

>>717525082
And now their brand is dying because they're not pleasing new fans and they're not pleasing old fans. Great call.

>>717513031
Too much Chadley and too much “hold forward while things happen and you walk really fuckin slowly. Remake was way better than this garbage

>>717524683
bro wtf are you about?
the graphics are probably the best and only salvageable thing in the dogshit Remake
Nobody here is saying the graphics is why its a bad remake (except some schizos about Tifa's knee-highs and such...)
I would have totally been fine if the story and gameplay was the same with those graphics. I would have even been fine with a new take on turn-based like Persona or Ex33

>>717517684
>squaresoft was infected by the EA virus and was never cured of it, so they brought the virus along when they merged with Enix
lol wut?

>>717525323
>new take on turn-based
>like Persona or Ex33
kek

>>717504930 (OP)
>How did Square Enix destroy Final Fantasy so thoroughly and what can be done to undo the damage?
It all goes back to Nomura.

Nomura failed to deliver Versus XIII. As a result, we were forced to suffer through a Lightning wank trilogy. Then, because Nomura is incompetent, they gave Versus XIII (now XV) to Tabata, which spawned Barry. When XV released, it was an incomplete and god awful piece of shit, which lost all the oldfag fans who had been waiting a decade to play Versus XIII, which XV no longer was. Then, for some reason, after Nomura already ruined Final Fantasy once, they gave him the Final Fantasy VII Remake. They probably though something like "here, Nomura, even (You) couldn't fuck this up". He was insulted, but he took it as a defiant challenge. He said "(laughs) I assure you, I can most certainly fuck up the Final Fantasy VII Remake"

And so, that's what he did.

>>717525515
Ill never understand why Takahashi still likes this faggot

>>717525323
I never said the remake has bad graphics. You just aren't reading properly.

>>717525442
Persona is weakness-based and Ex33 is parry/dodge based so yeah they are not your trad "attack item magic" fucking turn-based games...

>>717504930 (OP)
The turds of
>Final Fantasy 12 (Offline MMO)
>13 (13-2, Lightning Returns)
>14 (Before ARR)
>15 (RIP Versus 13)
>16 (not even bad, just mid)

Destroyed ever goodwill the series ever had. FF12 launched 2006. That's 20 fucking years of no good main line games.
FF1 launched '87, FF10 launched 2001. That's 14 years of good games.

We have more years of shit game than good games. The brand is just fucking dead. There's no new generation of Final Fantasy fans.

>>717524491
the point is if fromsoft games (which ultimately center around rolling blocking and parrying) have far more RPG elements than final fantasy, a literal RPG series, then it's clear final fantasy has become a joke.

>>717525613
No but you said it's hard to remake a game with hi-fi modern graphics which... they totally did?
so it's not that hard then kek

>>717525575
I have said it every chance I get and I'll say it again: Nomura is a great character artist. He makes cool, unique and interesting character concept art the 3D team can easily work with.
I have 0 idea why he was ever let out of the art-basement and given all this power though.

>>717515964
The insecure ones are the ones making threads with years old articles, you’d have a point if I saw daily FF7 is the best game of the decade threads or some shit instead I see this gay cringe seethe shit

>>717525730
Alright, I'll meet you half way and agree on that.

>>717525759
>years old articles
The article is only a month old LMAO

>>717525226
What new fans? The key problem is everyone who still gives a fuck about FF as a brand are either old as fuck, or people who only play the mmo.

>>717523007
>But how do they remake it?
you see that PS1 game? okay first you need to actually play it, zoomer. then you recreate the assets using a modern engine. then you keep it the same type of game, with the same story.
they had their work handed to them on a silver platter for several decades and then still royally fucked it up.

>>717525665
Based opinion and a based image. Though XII is actually kinda good. I didn't think so when it came out, but it's kinda alright now. They should never have gotten rid of Sakaguchi, and they should never have let Nomura do anything.

Former Final Fantasy fan here. I now play
>Monster Hunter
>Fromsoft games
>Nioh

Don't care about 99% of games released. SE is fucking garbage man. They either make AAA but shit or fucking HD-2D that's fucking puke inducing. I'll never buy a HD-2D game.

>>717525665
>>717525881
sauce

>>717525515
>Nomura failed to deliver Versus XIII. As a result, we were forced to suffer through a Lightning wank trilogy.
Versus XIII existed because of the trilogy, not the other way around. Versus was a minuscule project by comparison.
Are you schizophrenic?

>>717525881
That webm caused questionable feelings in me Anon.

>>717525616
almost every turn based game has a new mechanic or something different sets its identity. Grandia, skies of arcadia, xenogears, several final fantasy games, troonsona, chrono cross, etc. These are all just different games with different mechanics. I don't think that adding parry or weakness is "a new take on turn based"

>>717525665
FFX isn't good and anyone who says it was had to have been underage when they first played it.

>>717525881
>Though XII is actually kinda good.
I agree with this too. it takes a while for things to kick into gear especially when playing for the first time, but it is a pretty decent game.

>>717504930 (OP)
Stop making numbered titles, make cheap spin offs that will make people care about the series again. Make a new chocobo racing game, chocobo dungeon game, a new crystal Chronicles game, a new final Fantasy explorers, some new final Fantasy spin off ips (like make a FF metroidvania for example). Just steer clear of numbers in the titles.

>>717526094
actually that's exactly what I was saying: I would have been fine if they added some new gimmicks the og turn-based system, perhaps could have even made a classic / modern mode switch if you dont want to play with it. I didnt mean they had to copy Persona or Ex33, just add a little spice in a non retarded way.

>>717525921
Oldfag here. I have massive MonHun and Souls fatigue. Been playing both for ages. Finally got tired of Souls during my DS3 playthrough, and I finally got tired of MonHun during Iceborne.

>>717526026
>Versus XIII existed because of the trilogy
No. Versus XIII existed because XIII. The trilogy existed because Nomura wasn't actually capable enough to deliver Versus XIII, because he's a character designer, not a video game director.

Or are you trying to pretend that they planned to retcon XIII's ending?

>>717525881
>Though XII is actually kinda good. I didn't think so when it came out, but it's kinda alright now
Yeah, I agree. But it's not what fans wanted from the series. Imagine playing 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. Then you expect the next game to go into the same direction but BETTER and maybe BIGGER. FF12 is bigger, but completely different. It's lacking story wise compared to the other games before it and it doesn't have any memorable areas. Characters are also kinda bland.
You can learn to appreciate it because it has it's strengths, but it's ultimately not what Final Fantasy is about. It should be a different series or at least a spin off.

>>717526261
>Or are you trying to pretend that they planned to retcon XIII's ending?
Considering the entire project was always stated to include a main trilogy, Versus XIII, and Type-0 from the moment it was revealed to be a giant project, yeah.

>>717525742
No I said its not as easy to remake a game as old as FF7 1:1 in regards to all of its art assets. This isn't according to me either just what I saw mentioned from some developers although I can't remember where I saw it now. It makes sense to me anyways. Look at the elevator pic someone posted in the thread. They probably could have did a 1:1 with the original games elevator but maybe they either thought it would look too funny or strange or maybe they just wanted to do their own thing instead. So its not exactly like the original elevator at all it looks entirely different.

>>717526123
Retard opinion. I replayed it just a year ago. Not even just the story but 100% + Penance. It holds up incredibly well, even if FFX fucked up the face models for the remake. Can they do anything right?

13 was better than 16.
>Party gameplay
>RPG mechanics
>Equipment
>Different classes (paradigms)
>Actual Final Fantasy feeling instead of Game of Thrones
It's actually kinda pathetic how FF13 was the last decent FF, given that it seems to be universally hated.

>>717526386
>>717525024

>>717508854
TRVTH NVKE

>>717526292
This cause different, but equally weird feelings. Your first webm was bullying that cause unchristian thoughs, this webm was bullying that made me sad.

>>717526437
Just because 16 was a bad Final Fantasy game doesn't change that 13 was a shit game period. There hasn't been a good Final Fantasy since the merger, end of story.

>>717526402
That doesn't disprove anything I said and, in fact, proves it.
Anything you liked as a teenager will still seem good on replays, because you're still projecting the same emotions onto the game.

FFX is a hollow game with flat characters, a laughable romance where the female side is some ethereal idea of what an unwilling Japanese hermit thinks talking to a woman might be like, it lacks any real cohesion in its themes, and it's all in service to a game that is practically as linear as FFXIII. The only reason it gets so much praise is because it got to coast on the PSX trilogy and be a launch title for the biggest game console of all time.

>>717526437
In fairness most forms of cancer are better than 16.

>>717526351
>they retconned XIII's ending in XIII-2
>on purpose!
This is why people hate Toriyama drones. All 2 of you.

>>717504930 (OP)
Should have released on the Switch

>>717526553
>13 was a shit game period.
Maybe. But it was the last decent FF game. 14 is for trannys. 15 was garbage. 16 was garbage. Remake and Rebirth are 50/50. I didn't mind them but Rebirth has way too much padding and Ubisoft tier shit.

>>717526437
>given that it seems to be universally hated.
Because people still had EXPECTATIONS for 13.
Nobody cares about 16. There is nobody left to "hate" it. Every former fan already tuned out.

>>717526437
>FF13 was the last decent FF
you are a genuine retard and should work at Squeenix

>>717508854
Real (FF fans) recognize real.

>>717526776
SEBBY-SAMA I KNEEL

>>717523883
Will never cease to amaze me just how much of a shitshow that entire thing was, goes to show that while something may look good on paper, it doesn't necessarily mean it will actually be good in practice.
Sucks that everything else related to the Fabula Nova Crystallis ended up being affected by 13's failure, some of those games looked like they had plenty of potential.

>>717526437
I don’t really think so both are pretty bad games lol. Ffxvi is better as an actual game. The problem with ffxvi is its story is rancid dogshit that sabotages itself any time it ever has a good story beat.

It’s really not hated on enough. People give ffxii rightful shit for being dry ffxvi makes that shit look like your mom’s pussy after she sees me ring the doorbell

>>717526693
>But it was the last decent FF game
It was not and no amount of zoomer nostalgia will change that. It was objectively shit compared to every Final Fantasy that preceded it.

Surely FF17 will be good

>>717523407
It's baffling to me that this turned out so good, but new Final fantasy games don't interest me very much.

>>717526776
hes pretty based for a zoomy

>>717526437
>It's actually kinda pathetic how FF13 was the last decent FF
13 has its strong parts. Music, setting, summons, some characters. But ultimately it's not a good game. And that's what counts.

SE still had a good art design and music department. But they couldn't make a good game around it.

>>717504930 (OP)
why does this game make /v/ seethe so much?

>>717526594
I'm just saying the the other two games in the trilogy were always going to exist. Because they were always planned to exist, and the future of FF wasn't hinging on a spin-off title that existed almost entirely as concept trailers.

>>717523883
I have a hot take about FF13 and another series.

FF13, I agree with the consensus. It’s a shit fucking game.

But the reason everyone admits it’s shit, is because it was multi-plat. If you swapped the exclusivity status of MGS4 and FF13, you would swap their perceptions.

Ps3 had no fucking games. Console warring was in full swing. If FF13 was Sony only retarded fanboys would have shilled that turd to the high heavens. Like they did with doo doo ass poo poo pee pee MGS4. FF13’s greatest mistake was not insulating itself from criticism by being multi plat

>>717525665
It's just like The Simpsons.

>>717526776
7R trannies know he's right but will force themselves to disagree because they NEED to love 7R and can't face the thought of disliking anything about it

>>717526862
>It was not and no amount of zoomer nostalgia will change that.
I'm 33 and I played FF6 as my first FF game back in the 1990s lol
>It was objectively shit compared to every Final Fantasy that preceded it.
Was it shit compared to every FF before it? Sure. But it still had that FF feeling and gameplay. You can't criticise FF13 for being a corridor game when FF16 has the same corridor dungeons that FF14 has.

At least FF13 had an FF story and customisation. You can joke that FF16 has towns or whatever but they're virtually empty anyway except for NPCs repeating the same voice lines and animations. I don't get the hate for FF13 beyond the linearity. It has a solid cast and a really amazing OST.

>>717526852
>Ffxvi is better as an actual game.
It shits the bed too much with the story. Has no customisation because Yoshida things gamers are retarded and everything needs to be basic (which is why FF14 jobs suck now). I think it would've been an okay game, had they actually kept the political intrigue. Unfortunately, the game has a bad MSQ and the story is what carries FF games.

>>717527113
that's so fucking true now that you've said it

>>717526957
>I'm just saying the the other two games in the trilogy were always going to exist.
Nope. I think you're getting confused into some cult-like ideology somewhere. FNC was always going to exist, yes. You might even remember that FNC was going to be 3 games, because it was - XIII, Versus, and Agito (Type-0). If I'm being incredibly generous to your delusion, it's likely you remember these 3 games in the FNC and are conflating it with XIII's trilogy that only exists because Nomura failed to deliver Versus XIII.

Like, take a step back for a second. You are saying that they always planned, from the beginning, to retcon XIII's ending in XIII-2. What a retarded thing for you to not only type but to also genuinely believe.

>>717506874
tactics

>>717505241
The nerd cave actually exists with anything warhammer related, btw, itll eventually run out in like 90 years of continual hostile management but until then those people will actually buy anything. Its been fun watching Total War continue to be lazy and make low effort slop in themes other than WH and have nobody show up and not know why. I’ve got a pretty close friend who has described to me, like this is a reasonable thing to say, that he has to buy every Warhammer themed game, and even compulsively plays several of them, despite not liking several of them, because it’s “the only way to access warhammer content“ of course, this nerd cave is built up from years and years of IP, and gets buey’d significantly by a massive percentage of the Warhammer things people interact with being user created in some way, either playing with other people, or the amount of custom things and artwork the community makes. this sustains the nerd cave for much longer than something like dragon age, where, really the only content is the games, which aren’t multiplayer, and which only occasionally encourage the creation of fan material.

>>717522952
>>the turn based rpg must have a substantial budget and effort, not hd2d 5 man in the closet job
Why would they put in budget when you people still don't buy anything that doesn't have Final Fantasy written on the box?
>>the turn based rpg must be a full game, not half a game, not a third of a game, not missing entire rpg systems like equipment, it must be comparable to a 90s jrpg standard
Your imaginary 90's jrpg standards do not exist because you gladly paid for blatantly unfinished and poorly made dogshit like FF8 or Vagrant Story and are eager to ask for more as long as you can hype it to fit your narrative.
>>the turn based rpg must be sold at a price people are willing to pay in the current market vs the current competition
The current competition is 50/60/70 bucks and again, you refuse to even pay 40 bucks because nothing fits your nonexistent standards, you just want to endlessly whine about trivial shit and are incapable of playing anything that isn't the lowest common denominator

>>717527240
I had the same realization. Played decades of mainline games just to realize that a fucking spin-off is actually the best FF ever made.
Can recommend TO:LUCT as well

>>717527203
>and are conflating it with XIII's trilogy that only exists because Nomura failed to deliver Versus XIII.
I'm using reasonable assumptions considering XIII-2 released a bit under two years after XIII, which shows it was in development at the tail end of XIII's own dev period, and also shows that SE was, again, not hinging everything on a side title.

>>717526946
why dont you learn how to read the thread Downie?

>>717504930 (OP)
Well that's what happens when you lie to your own audience and make a shit game instead of a remake.

>>717527172
>You can't criticise FF13 for being a corridor game when FF16 has the same corridor dungeons that FF14 has.
What part of JUST BECAUSE FF16 SUCKED DOESN'T MEAN FF13 DIDN'T ALSO SUCK needs to be hammered into your lying tiktok-addicted zoomer brain? 13 was the start of the fall, because it fucking sucked. It was completely irredeemable trash.

>>717527421
It wasn’t irredeemable the music was good

>>717527203
>XIII's trilogy that only exists because Nomura failed to deliver Versus XIII.
XIII-2 and Lightning Returns don't exist because of the lack of progress on Versus XIII, they exist (and Versus XIII saw little dev progress) because of the monumental failure of FFXIV 1.0. SE needed money so they made XIII-2 and Lightning Returns as quick and dirty asset flips while they were desperately trying to relaunch XIV.

>>717527502
I can listen to the music without playing a shit game

>>717527384
why did you post a gif with yourself in it? How can you do that considering your conditions?

>>717527325
>I'm using reasonable assumptions
I see. So you made it the fuck up. Sasuga, anonkun.

>>717527504
Sure, it's possible that we were unwillingly subjected to the Lightning wank trilogy due, in part, to XIV 1.0's rebirth into ARR as well as the continued (unfruitful) work on Versus XIII which later turned into XV. The important takeaway is that XIII-2 and LR were not originally intended to exist.

Fromsoft can release banger after banger every 3 years when SE can't release a single good game in 20.

>>717527681
>I see. So you made it the fuck up.
I mean, that's literally what you're doing.
There is no basis in saying "Versus XIII not coming out is why a sequel to XIII came out less than two years after it released". You have zero evidence, you just say "Yeah, that happened".
Are you retarded?

1 Year PS5 exclusivity killed XVI
>written by a team universally praised for their work in XIV
>made completely unavailable to XIV players in the age of Youtube, streamers, let's plays
The suits legit set him up to fail. You can't convince me otherwise. Nobody is this stupid.

>>717527421
13 is good though. The paradigm switching was fun. The music is insanely good. The characters are kinda annoying but Fang/Vanille are cute. The story is kinda bad yeah but it's classic FF retardation. It's a solid 7/10 game. FF16 is 5/10 it's just so fucking mid at everything it does.

>>717527742
by "release" you mean recycle right?

>>717527759
>"no u"
I accept your concession.

>>717504967
turd based sells like shit. SE wants Elden Ring numbers.

>>717527826
Doesn't matter when the games are still fun.
Also Armored Core doesn't use shit from Souls or Elden Ring.

OG FF7 on PSX was a masterpiece, has any other game managed to capture it's foreboding and dark atmosphere?

I don't have the quote handy, but there is a nice dichotomy between Kitase's description of Sephiroth in the OG game vs Nomura's description of Sephiroth in Remake.

It goes something like:
>Kitase: "Sephiroth is very mysterious, you hear of his deeds rather than seeing him, you see evidence of his power, etc"
and then Nomura is just like:
>Nomura: "When thinking of how I wanted Sephiroth to appear in the Remake, I just wanted him to look cool"

>>717527681
>The important takeaway is that XIII-2 and LR were not originally intended to exist.
Obviously, but there were more factors at play than just Versus. From the increased cost of HD development to the failure of XIV 1.0, to the shifting of XIII proper from the PS2 to the PS3. I think they even had to build a brand new engine for Versus (called Ebony), after the White Engine that was built for XIII proved unsuitable for large scale enviroments. XIII is trilogy because of a large number of logistical failures, not just one.

>>717527907
But they can't put out an action game with the quality of ER.
They should stick to their own niche.
How much did Baldurs Gate 3 sell? I'm not a fan of it, but that game is not dumbed down for an imaginary new "younger audience".

It's proof that a real game for a mature audience can sell a fucking lot. SE is just retarded and chases imaginary trends.

>>717504930 (OP)
i'll admit it, they tricked me. i got got with 7 remake. i don't know why i expected the most incompetent japanese company in modern history to not ruin their most influential game, but i did. that was enough for me. i didn't even consider rebirth.

how the fuck do I kill the dragon in the gravity changing temple? It just kills everyone with one hit when he does that lava attack

>>717527834
I mean, if you want to shit on people for "making shit up", then you probably shouldn't hinge all your points on hallucinations.

>>717528014
The original FF7 does really well at leading Sephiroths' introduction. Showing how much of a monster he is. Slaying the Midgar Zolom, which you can't touch at that point in the game (yes I know you can with certain strats). Then you have the flashback in Nibelheim where he casts Blizzard 4 and one shots dragons with his sword, while you do something like 4 damage to them.

Meanwhile, Remake/Rebirth just have him appearing out of thin air every time and winking at Cloud in a homoerotic way. It's so funny.

>>717526776
>>>>>>>>>2 frogs
What the fuck how did they fuck that up?????

>>717527946
>Also Armored Core doesn't use shit from Souls or Elden Ring.
and it sucked

>>717505448
my wife and i complain about mixed race couples all the time, despite me being white, and her being 100% fully mexican. see, the rules are simple. it's ok when we do it.

A new Final Fantasy with Baldur's Gate 3 style combat and party interactions would probably do great but knowing Square they'll probably just make another shitty DMC knockoff.

>>717525515
Nomura is one of the only people at Square making good shit though?
Tetsuya Nomura, Akitoshi Kawazu, Tatsuya Kando and Yuji Hori are basically the only people actually making good games at that dogshit company. Nomura is just a director and writer sure but literally everything he's worked on barring FFXV and FF7Remake(s) have been good. The only reason FFXV and FF7Remake were bad was because of interference from Squeenix higher ups meddling. Nomura didn't want to give Tabata his baby (Versus XIII) and he also didn't even want to make 7Remake. I would know this, I'm the only person on planet earth that likes good things and notices how and why they are made.
You are clearly a liar and a schizophrenic however.

>>717504930 (OP)
i'm a little boy from israel and this is my game

>>717528972
What games did they make recently?
I'll believe you if you post good games.

>>717504930 (OP)
Maybe not insulting your fans or threaten them with lawsuits for critique would've saved their asses.

>>717528972
>Nomura is one of the only people at Square making good shit though?
lol
Didn't read.
Fitting of you to attach a jester to your post though.

>>717529170
He is, he's the reason FF7R has a pseudo turn based system instead of 100% action.

>>717504930 (OP)
how did they fuck up ff7 action game? all they had to do was turn the materia system into the path of exile skill gem system, and they were close too, but they made it too sloppa.
>bonk with square
>build up meter
>use materia
yet, in their infinite wisdom of changing everything ff7 is about, they didn't even bother to make this interesting. they should have slapped in a zillion materia, instead of removing a bunch.
>spin attack materia
>connect to wind materia
>do combo
>hit spin attack
>since it's connected to wind it makes a tornado which ragdolls enemies
all they had to do was make it fun, but fun is the only thing game developers can't do these days.

>>717529212
>pseudo turn based system instead of 100% action
It's 100% action though. Are you retarded?

Anyway, he also put time jannies in the game, so even if you had a point, which to be clear you do not, it'd be canceled out

>>717527946
you are lying to my face with no remorse

>>717529293
Okay so you didn't play the game.

>>717529212
The combat is garbage though. Maybe it would've been better if Nomura kept his retarded mouth shut.

>>717529293
lol, all the retarded story shits are from Nojima. You know, Mr. Tidus blows his head off from kicking a blitzball.

>>717529293
Nomura wasn't the director nor the writer of FF7R you ignorant bastard.
The single easiest way to spot a secondary is that they blame everything on Nomura because it's literally the only name they know at SE, they all do it, I've seen some faggots on youtube be like "KH was ruined when Nomura took over!!!" and he was always the director lmao, they don't even check Wikipedia before spouting out bullshit.

>>717529212
So he's responsible for making the game a shitty middleground?

>>717504930 (OP)
It's called subversion and it happens little by little until no one is left on the team who has even seen a good game come together.

>>717529372
We already have a FF game with 100% action combat and it's way fucking worse than FF7R, so no.

>>717529467
>le nomura bad
FF7R has the best combat system in the franchise since 12 easily.

>>717529624
No I said game bad, you said hes bad.
>since 12
oh its retarded.

>>717529353
>>717529438
>>717529460
Wow, that's a lot of angry Nomura defense force posts who also mistakenly believe that Remake is not an action game. Weird. Did we ping the discord, fellas?

>>717504967
B-based first post.

>>717526946
On one hand you have fans who wanted something very close to a 1:1
On the other hand you have THE (singular) target audience: zoomers
Outside of your hands, pissing on your ankles like a retarded old dog, are "fans" that would blindly consoom whatever there is, as long as it's ff7
So it's one part purist autism (myself included), against seemingly 3 parts modernfag bullshit (at least within /v/)
The sales however tell the story that >>717514041
indicated as their second point

>>717529725
We're talking about the combat system, please keep up special kid or don't reply at all.

>>717529734
Nah I'm just sick of ignorant people talking shit like they know.

>>717529734
>nooo....how dare you correct my wrong information, let me shitpost with lies

>>717504930 (OP)
sucked, flopped

>>717504930 (OP)
>XVI gets released
>countless news articles released afterwards with devastating news
>billions lost every 4 months or so
XVI put them on the edge of bankruptcy. Makes me wonder if we'll even see XVII.

>>717529734
>say something that's objectively wrong
>"no don't correct me you're angry discord raid reee!!"
I have a solution for you, when you get called out stop replying and close the tab.

>>717530002
fpbp

>>717530014
it'll probably be a fucking f2p gacha game

>>717530014
>WE WANT THE NORMIE GOD OF WAR CROWD! BUT FOR FINAL FANTASY!
Thankfully, it bit them on their asses

>>717529938
Ignorant is not a very good word to describe someone who read anywhere near 50 books on the topic, anon.

>>717529149
Nomura hasn't made a good thing (in my opinion) in a while but notably his designs and stories on Kingdom Hearts have been pretty consistently good up until DDD. He made designs for World of Final Fantasy and that was peak. He worked on Stranger of Paradise and that game is literally the best non-fromsoft/nioh souls game.
Kawazu made Emerald Beyond last year and while it's not as good as other SaGa games it was still very good compared to most other games coming out recently. In the past he worked on a shit ton of the SaGa games and he's basically only at Square to make this franchise that isn't as popular as the others.
Tatsuya Kando's last game iirc was NEO:The World Ends With You and there is nothing to say about that game other than it's literally the most fun action game in recent memory. It also contains Nomura designs.
Yuji Hori basically is just the Dragon Quest guy and he makes sure everything Dragon Quest is consistent. He doesn't really direct the games himself anymore he grooms someone else into doing it and those games are consistently 7/10 at the very least every single time. Dragon Quest Monsters 3: The Dark Prince is the most recent thing I can think of that he had any say in and that game is incredibly fun, I'm going through it right now.

>>717529170
Don't read it then nigger. That's Mephisto from SMT which proves you're a dumb nigger who doesn't like JRPGs.

>>717529212
I mean the problems with 7R are probably caused by the fact that it isn't completely turn based so I guess he did improve that but it's not his strongest work.

>>717529624
Anon, it's been YEARS since I've seen regular discussion about 12, with very little good to say about it, especially the combat
You're allowed to have your own opinion, but don't just throw it out there like there's a strong consensus on the matter

>>717529843
Okay, at first I thought you were just pretending, now its certain.

>>717504930 (OP)
If square really wants to subvert my expectations, they should do something oldfags want, and not gaf about casuals and zoomers

>>717530020
>>717529993
>>717529938
Looks like the discord was pinged. Hello there, fellas!

>>717529187
why are Capcúcks so POOR?

>>717529331
sorry

>>717530014
>XVI put them on the edge of bankruptcy.
Their stock is literally at its highest point and they have more cash and assets than debt. Modern FF might be shit but we shouldn't delude ourselves in regards to SE's solvency.

>>717530578
and there it is

>>717530578
The trendfaggotry knows no limits

>>717530014
holy fuck, i forgot final fantasy 16 exists.

>>717530014
>is still shitposting using an article that is nearly 2 years old
Barry... you need to get new material. I know you don't like XVI, but neither XVI, nor Rebirth's much more egregious flop are bankrupting SE.

>>717530769
it's inevitable. they are incapable of making good decisions. also
>Barry
kys faggot

>>717530604
I can't imagine the people who legitimately think SQEX is any sort of hotspot financially have been around the franchise for long.
Should go back and look at what 2013 looked like for the business by comparison.

>>717530769
How do we bankrupt SE?

Reminder

>>717531023
simply do nothing

>>717531008
>I can't imagine the people who legitimately think SQEX is any sort of hotspot financially have been around the franchise for long.
Most of modern 4chan is third worlder zoomers who have no idea what they're talking about, they just got used to ragebaiting and salesposting in their gacha threads.

>>717530845
nta, but it pisses me off so much that gacha, lesser pushed titles like bravely and octopath, and dealings outside of vidya are keeping them afloat just so they can keep tweaking the same formula since 12/ 13 that clearly does not work, until they magicarry strike gord

>>717531106
KEKKYPOW

>>717531106
LMAO

>>717531131
It's all we CAN do
You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink
These younger generations don't know what good games are because all they've known is movieslop, but won't listen because
>Hurr just go back to ff7 lego edition

>>717531137
You forgot XIV, anon. XIV has been the Final Fantasy cash cow for quite a while now. The worst part is that its money goes to fund shit like the Avengers game.

>>717531364
XIV is a dead game

>>717531364
That's fair, I don't partake in MMOs, so I'm quick to forget
Thanks friendly reminder-kun

>>717531364
isn't this the game that completely ruined its reputation by being years late to the tranny dei craze?

>>717531402
It has been lately, but for a while it was a steady source of revenue

>>717531561
No, it’s mostly known for it’s critically acclaimed trial or some shit

inferiority complex.

>>717504967
fpbp

>>717531639
>the long awaited, must vaunted, Remake of the most iconic and beloved JRPG of all time
>sold only 2/3rds of what the most divisive FF entry of all time sold
Grim. Exceptionally grim.

>>717509141
He just meant hand drawn art, that was pre-rendered. It's shorthand.

I just love how they have to make another game that literally no one will buy. that budget's probably been slashed by 80%

>>717531896
I would love nothing more than for Part 3 to be releases as a Xenogears disc 2 situation.

However, they already have pretty much everything. They probably only need to build the new environments. Everything else is already done. If they need more money, they'll just have Team Asano pump out another Remaster or 2 or they'll have XIV sell another outfit or mount. Badabing, badaboom. Part 3's funding is taken care of. Please buy the game this time!

>>717531797
You really can’t compare rebirth to 16 (which sold like shit don’t get me wrong) because it required you to play the terrible slog of remake first. People can only take so much padding before they go insane.

>>717515471
This, they think the characters are their friends

anons on /v/ really think they can criticize nomura and get away with it while I'm around

>>717531639
>rebirth has twice the budget of metaphor
>xvi has 5 times the budget of metaphor
metaphor might have sold less but it was way cheaper

mental illness.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/but%20it%20gives%20us%20more%20time%20with%20the%20characters/

>>717532113
>People can only take so much padding before they go insane.
What if they had released the Remake of a Final Fantasy VII as... wait, hold on stay with me here... but what if instead of 3 games with 80-160 hours of bloated content each... what if instead of releasing 3 games, they released the 25 year old PSX game as only 1 single game... ya know, like how it was originally 1 game?

...no? Okay...

>>717532431
Metaflop took 8 years to make while rebirth took 4. Metaflop ran out of budget while rebirth didn't.

>>717504930 (OP)
XV won

>>717504930 (OP)
they should have had more race mixing and homosexuality.
does rebirth even have a single trans person?

>>717532526
XV is just as shit and will never be talked about again

Has there been a normal/genuine FF thread here in the past decade?

>>717532449
>posted so many times
>still not refuted
>lots of FF7 dicksuckers actually replying to say "yes, so what?"
based pasta

>>717520768
the end goal of every company is to get everyone engaged with their product. Anything, anything niche at all, even in the smallest ways, is getting stamped out in favor of minor effeciencies to the product being sold, until it's all unrecognizable tasteless slop.

Every industry is being affected this way, it's awful, some of the most awful shit in the world.

>>717532635
yes

>>717532431
>>rebirth has twice the budget of metaphor
Only twice?

You know what's crazy? There are multiple versions of this image posted to Twitter.

>>717532635
you mean the FF schizos who shriek endlessly as if criticism of nomura is a vicious personal attack on their own family aren't being genuine?
oh thank god

>>717526776
had no idea sephiroth was that strong

>>717504967
Go to bed gramps

>>717504930 (OP)
stopped caring about FF after FF6.
newer games just aren't appealing to me

>>717526776
I hope he covers the Midgardsormr too, they FUCKED that up so bad. I would say the Aerith death scene but let's be real, that's gonna be like the first thing this guy zooms in on. Holy shit it was bad, it was a scene that was made only, ONLY, for people who grew up with FF7 to try and get them excited with a gotcha moment, because outside of that, the scene is so unintelligible and retarded that you cannot even tell what's going on.

>>717532635
>[~2013] Barry has made it so that you can't talk about XV
>[~2019] Larry, anti-Larry, and WoWfags have made it so that you can't talk about XIV/XVI
>[~2023] anti-Jimbo (i.e. "Paulie") has made it so you can't talk about VIIR
No, there has not been any genuine discussion of a "current" FF game in the past decade.

>>717526776
had no idea sephiroth was that strong.

btw anyone else think this guy is faking being on a podcast/show, it looks like it to me at least.
fake being on a podcast = make people believe others already give a shit what you say = increase chances your tiktok goes viral

>>717533009
This isnt funny anymore man.
Its just sad.

>>717525515
This guy is such an embarrassing faggot.
He's lucky most people memoryholed him saying he'll leave SE if they dare to bring V13 to xbox.
Well, not only did they make it multiplat, they even took it completely from him and have it to another director. Yet he's still at SE.
Wouldn't surprise me if he fucked up the remakes on purpose.

>>717533009
Gotta tumble into rusty and radioactive waste for 20+ years before you learn how to walk, you know?

>>717506874
Maybe 1

>>717533370
With any luck, they will finally can his ass once Part 3 is done. Or they might have to keep him around for KH4, but after those are done, hopefully they cut the cancer out. He doesn't want it anymore either. He can't even remember what his games are about and unironically uses YouTube explanation videos to remind himself of what he wrote.

>>717525515
This seems retarded enough to at least be 70% true

>>717533009
I swear Yoshida is going to be the death of SE. It's why FromSoft are doing so much better these days. They know what their audience wants.

>>717533009
say goodbye to turnbased Final Fantasy

>>717533573
It's been 15 years since Final Fantasy has been anything that even remotely resembles turn-based, you fake nostalgia zoomer. It's been almost 25 years since the last time it was actually turn-based.

>>717533150
I assume it's one of the many fools requesting a remake for years but somehow forgot which company he was actually requesting it from (lol).

>>717533737
>FF has been non-turn based longer than it has been turn based

>>717504930 (OP)
Square-Enix has never developed a good video game.

>>717533864
I miss ffrk so much it hurts
Ideally a offline/ non gacha would be perfect
I never played woff, but it seemed like a similar idea

>>717506379
Kitase already said that they are releasing the game in current consoles; not ps6
Maybe they will release a ps6 edition later

>>717522860
Alright I will. Thanks

>>717506379
Under the previous CEO, yes, definitely. Under Kiryu, he has stated that he thinks day 1 multiplat is the way to go, but if the Sony exclusivity money is good enough... then they have to start considering how badly Rebirth flopped.

>>717504930 (OP)
they're infested at the highest levels

>>717534373
I have to wonder whether or not Square Enix is aware that she's one of those actual goomer pedophiles.

>>717504930 (OP)
>how
take a wild guess

>>717526776
The people in charge of the Remake games forget that the original FF7 was half a horror game with very silly moments sprinkled in.

>>717504930 (OP)
They've been disappointing for so long that an alright game isn't nearly enough, not with those budgets. They need to make a truly great game, multiple games in a row if they want to regain momentum and actually have new fans.

>>717527762
>Nobody is this stupid
someone is
reminder Yoshi P filled XVI with side quests that are straight out of XIV, full on bland boring fetch quests, just chores

>>717504967
I think the problem is that people are paying full price for a game they won't finish. 100+ hours for a 3rd of a game? No thanks... They get what they deserve, greedy bastards.

>>717527762
>The suits legit set him up to fail.
The missing element of the equation that people love to forget is the Sony exclusivity money. They also celebrated the 3 million sales 6 days after it launched. I'm assuming that's when it broke even and became profitable. It apparently didn't meet their long-term expectations, but I think it's a fair assumption that it was at least profitable, judging by the initial fanfare.

Rebirth, however, has never had any such celebratory or congratulatory statement made about it. I think they need to release Part 3 as a bundle that includes all 3 games at the same price as 1 regular game, or else I fear Part 3 will flop even harder than Part 2 did.

>>717504930 (OP)
Square Enix is dead last behind Bandai Namco, Konami, and even Crapcom. All the original SE talent left a decade ago to form Cygames and sell horse pussy. Nobody of worth wants to be underpaid in an ethics department hellhole.

>>717535597
XVI hit short term but failed mid term targets and Rebirth failed to hit the short term and is doing "ok" mid term.
But neither is doing the numbers they hoped for, clearly.

>>717535171
kill it with Firaga, kill it NOW!

Part 3 is definitely gonna flop. Rebirth was meh. I wonder how many people managed to finish it given all the padding mini games and Ubisoft towers

>>717535908
>Rebirth failed to hit the short term and is doing "ok" mid term.
This has *never* been said. I think Kitase released a PR statement or something, but that's no different than them also saying "trust me guys, Part 3 is going to be the greatest game of all time" which they have also made statements about multiple times. Kitase doing PR is not an earnings report.

>>717535919
>retarded games having a mid off
kek

>>717513031
>>Flawless deep combat
Completely irrelevant to the braindead easy difficulty of the game. FF7 started this easy as fuck trend that i hate to death. What carried the game was everything else being completely new to the era.

Final fantasy will sell more when they start asking people to have a iq higher than room temperature There has been multiple games with hard difficulty doing well, whats stopping them?

>>717523883
Best take in the thread, 13 fucked FF forever

>>717535908
keep drinking the koolaid retard
they didnt even put an announcement for 2,5 millions copies sold, which is frankly terrible for such a franchise

>>717523883
SE made the exact mistake the Concord devs and so many others made. They assumed the game would be a massive hit and built a whole franchise before release. They are basically taking out a loan against future earnings to massively inflate revenue. Problem is when future earning are a hallucination.
Then you either have to double down and try to brute force the franchise into being a success through paid media, etc or eat a huge loss.

>most astroturfed game of 2025
>doesn't even get close to BG3 numbers
grim

>>717536201
The funniest part about this is that clickbait articles never quoted Yoshida correctly. He never said that people hate turn-based. He said that he is personally making the decision for XVI to be an action game because they couldn't think of any good ideas for turn-based combat and also he thinks action will get more newcomers to the franchise than turn-based, but he would also not be surprised if Final Fantasy were turn-based in the future.

It's actually crazy how no one reads articles anymore, not even the journalists who write them.

>>717506379
After they saw how successful Rebirth sold on PC they'll launch part 3 on PC. Screenshot this

>>717523883
Lightning might even be the single most unlikeable character in any video game.

She's a pink haired "gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss" character before that was really a thing.

>>717536624
it doesn't make his opinions on turn-based final fantasy any better
go make spin-offs if you don't know how to make a good turn-based game
he's a piss poor out of touch game director, he should be directing himself out of the building

>>717536121
>This has *never* been said
I just said it though?

>>717527062
>comparing Guns of the Patriots to PeepeeDogshit XIII
holy fucking irredeemable retard

>>717536827
>it doesn't make his opinions on turn-based final fantasy any better
It definitely does though, because it completely changes the message.

The ragebait, clickbait, second-hand, didn't-actually-read version is:
>"lol no one likes turn-based anymore, it doesn't sell, fuck turn-based"
and the other is
>"our team couldn't come up with an interesting enough turn-based combat for our tastes, plus we thought action would get more newcomers, so we're going with action, but if the next director wants to make turn-based that'd be fine too"

>>717527825
What the fuck anon? This has to be some sort of cope. The paradigm switching is complete ass

>>717536624
>they couldn't think of any good ideas for turn-based combat
if this is true, he and the other square boomer devs should commit sudoku asap. mentally checked out of ideas when any fucking indie devs can shit 40 different takes on turn-based system kek, jesus christ...

>>717534562
jesus fucking christ we need to bring back public displays of corporal punishment

>>717537117
>if this is true, he and the other square boomer devs should commit sudoku asap.
That was what was actually said in the article that all the ragebait articles keep misinterpreting on purpose, yes. Something along those lines.

>mentally checked out of ideas when any fucking indie devs can shit 40 different takes on turn-based system kek, jesus christ...
I think you forget that every FF, even back when it was ATB, was iterative. They all did something new. The "fucking indie devs" are all doing what FF has already done in the past. Timed hits? FFVIII already did that one, less robustly. Lumina? FFIX already did that one (more robustly). I'd imagine the spectacle they were going for might also have been difficult to pull off in a turn-based game.

>>717535919
Is this dood bragging about a silver medal

>>717537117
It's not crazy, even though it is wrong. It is a sensible decision. When so much money is tied up in a project, all SE can really do is look at the market and see what is doing well. They need to be able to justify their decision to shareholders and "I felt that the audience wanted turn based" is a hard sell.
They really need a few lower budget experimental titles to see what works.

>>717537821
>They really need a few lower budget experimental titles to see what works.
They have those. They're turn-based and they don't sell.

who's your favorite FF girl?

WHO THE FUCK IS BARRY

>>717537971
>They have those. They're turn-based and they don't sell.
Neither do their action games, evidently. The reality is that both these terms are very large umbrellas. All action games aren't identical and they meet different levels of success, and the same is true for turn based. Pokemon is not Octopath or Expedition 33. Very different entities with very different outcomes.

>>717504930 (OP)
>release "REMAKE"
>is not a remake
Not only they scared old fans like me, who just wanted a regular remake but that dumb fucking end fight with Sephirot was too much AND CONCLUSIVE for anyone not in the know. They got to fight one of THE most iconic badguys in video games, they left satisfied, they will not return.

>>717527907
you have to have turn based AND a good game, TB doesn't just turn shit into gold