Thread 717515527

How do you even fuck up this badly? Was it act of corporate sabotage?
steam stats from right now:
>Sid Meier's Civilization V: 14,510 players right now
>Sid Meier's Civilization VI: 36,874 players right now
>Sid Meier's Civilization VII: 6,797 players right now

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeey spud-ACK!!!!

Someone said that it was Amplitude who coaxed Firaxis into a committing a snafu. In the knowledge that the lazy bums in Maryland would copy their work, the French deliberately made Humankind bad and watched Firaxis jump off a cliff.
This sounds pretty damn implausible to me but it's still worth a laugh.

Civ VI is shit and people decided to play it existing IV which is the better

>>717515857
esl fuck

At least Civ 6 can be fixed with dlc, and it’s fine with all of them.

Civ 7 can’t be fixed. It core mechanics are all too fucked up

>>717515574
>Heeeeeeeey chuddies!

>make a game for trannies
>surprised it doesn't sell much

firaxis should just call it quits
They fuck up new IP, the've killed xcom and ruined civ

funny how corrupted the entire fucking industry is. btw firaxis literally paid like 7 thousands dollars or something like this to youtubers to promote their shitty game, legendoftotalwar spoke about this in a video

>>717516639
>the've killed xcom
And strangely randomly at that. Xcom 2 was well received and is still liked, modded and played. Everyone was waiting for a third game and it simply wasn't made just because. I don't get what their issue is

They changed all the core gameplay mechanics, its not a civ game anymore.

>>717516327
I never had the chance to play the dlc before my window 7 machine blew up,was it good they added actual weather like storms & zombies?

Bump

>>717515527 (OP)
Someone thought that making it like the shitty rip off that flopped was a good idea.

Every game post Civilization III has felt like a further streamlining and reducing in scope.

Convince me I'm wrong.

I wonder how it would be doing if they just never went with the whole civ switching thing. Probably still not as well as 6 because of how many other features got gutted.
I'm half waiting for Endless Legend 2 but I have no experience with EL at all, should I play the first game first or does it change too much?

>>717517163
In retrospect humans fighting aliens was blatantly insensitive and inappropriate in the blm era

>>717517163
I was just thinking about tactical RPGs. About to play Jagged Alliance 2 when I get some time. Phoenix Point might be interesting.

They really should make XCOM 3, but at the same time I know everything is getting worse and they'll slopify it somehow. Even XCOM 2 was kinda slopified. It just gets more sloppy.

>>717516913
Did the check to Eurogamer bounce? Literally the only honest review.

>>717520191
They literally looked at humankind & thought it would make millions

>>717517163
they probably thought they needed all the workforce that would go to a second game series for Civ and Firaxis should just be the company that makes quasi-live service Civilization

>>717517332
Qrd,I missed the launch what'd they change?

>>717515527 (OP)
Complex Systems Won’t Survive the Competence Crisis

>>717523595
you can play as harriet tubman, ruler of egypt, and evolve to be chinese. The quintessentnial kangs experience

the UI in 7 straight up looks like early development placeholders and yet it's the actual game, insane

>>717515527 (OP)
When they first announced the changes to the gameplay I was cautious but still hoped that it could work. But when the game released and I learned that each era change was a soft restart of the game I lost all desire to even try it out. It's like they fundamentally did not understand that the core appeal of the franchise was seeing your civ grow through the ages and also developing long-term rivalries and frienships with other civs.

>>717524463
WHAT!?

>>717525661
The new team somehow thought that people cared more about le quirky chungus leaders than the actual civilizations, and made the games about them. You pick a leader, and then a civilization that's completely untied to them, and then that civilization changes at each era.
Oh and the leaders get experience to unlock perks too.

>>717515527 (OP)
They want people to drop seventy dollars that already turns away most players.

>>717515527 (OP)
first mainline civ I didn't get. what a shit show

6 is just the most fun. Civs feel the most unique, districts add strategy to cities, it just has the most stuff. 6 supremacy.

>>717526592
I could never get past the 1st age, always get side tracked by how many towns to build where?

>dude lets add pseudo battle passes for each leader

i have like 500 hours in civ 5 and i think there are maybe 2 leaders total that I have finished games with more than once
another few hundred hours in 6 and the number in that game is definitely 0

7 is designed for people that don't actually exist

>>717515574
>a game so bad it ruined a mans life

>>717526963
I always try to have at least 5 cities by the medieval ages. As for districts, look up there adjacency bonuses. Mountains=Faith and Science, Rivers=Money, Appeal=housing, Hills and mines=Production. Flat Land is needed for spaceports and airports.

>>717527098
I have no idea what they were smoking but they might have killed the series for good this time

>>717527098
>a woman, a zoomer, and an xcom dev down the hall review civ7 alpha

>the system designer decides to make the game consist of three mini board games and see if he can pad the “completed games” internal stat.

>>717517163
They probably hit writers block with the cliffhanger at the end of 2.

>>717515527 (OP)
Based Civ V chads won.

>>717527492
>>717515574
qrd?

>>717515574
>bug hotfix patch
>IT'S ANOTHER BANGER!!!! PLEASE CLICK ON THIS I'M RUNNING OUT OF SHILL MONEY!!!!

what an embarrassing person

>>717516327
Civ 6 is just even more woke dogshit with DLC. There's an entire expansion about literal fake news climate alarmism bullshit. Don't build a coastal capital or it will be under fucking water in a hundred turns. Oh no your coal power plant made the world end!
Not to mention the dogshit woke tech tree quotes and terrible leader choices like Catherine de Medici just to have more WAHMAN.
Civ V or bust.

Here's the reason for the decline.

>>717517163
Because midnight suns flopped.

>>717515527 (OP)
I knew it was dead when I wasn't sure if anons were trolling or not in the very first Civ7 threads when they said nukes weren't in the game.

Feels like a big gamble Firaxis made with this to 'reach a new audience' by fundamentally fucking up what people liked about civ.

And guess what? It didn't fucking work.

>>717527538
>>717527098
I think it's another case of the suits wanting 'the modern audience', which has only ever been a blue-haired mirage.

>>717528416
cocksucking youtuber shilled civ 7 hard before and after release and had a mental breakdown when people started calling him a shill, made a video how he was suicidal and had a full crashout after admitting he hasn't played civ 7 since release despite making videos shilling how the patches saved the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro3yVfE-oxQ

>>717528574
the quotes aren't even woke they are just unbelievably dumb. Half of them are just completely random no context google search results, and then the other half is garbage self insert stuff i.e one of the natural wonders (I can't remember which one off the top of my head) is the most random shit about fucking cell phones for some reason and if you look up the name it's a friend of a friend of some harpy at firaxis

just unbelievable garbage

>>717528721
>1996

These women weren't even alive at the time!

>>717528736
Which is a fucking shame. It's actually a quality game.

>one unit per tile
it feels retarded

>>717528574
I like the retarded global warming endgame because if you're first you can get sea walls in time to ruin the game for everyone else.

>>717529325
No it's not. The gameplay has merit but the downtime stuff is complete garbage. It deserved the hate.

>>717528834
>people in the comments sending him literally hundrends of dollars
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

>>717515527 (OP)
Imagine if they just released civ 6 but with improved graphics and navigable rivers and no builders. This would have been enough.

>>717531805
suicide baiting works

>>717515527 (OP)
That many people are still playing Civ VI? The hell?

>>717528834
>Enlightened anti-capitalist left-winger decides to shill for a major corporation, then, when called out on it, suicide baits for more money.
You love to see it.

>>717532046
Strangely enough it was the one Civ game to have broad normalfag appeal, despite V being by far the most casual friendly Civ with much more pleasant visuals too.
Also Civ 6 got a massive mobile audience, a lot of them likely moved to play on PC.

>>717532046
it's good

Civilization VII was a tremendous game - for sales of other 4X games. Old World (great game btw) got it's all time high CCU after Civ VII crashed and burned.

>>717519904
doom stacks was cancer.

They're all pieces of shit who deserve to be publicly executed. The absolute fucking hubris of someone to look at something that works, break it to pieces, and then to pat yourself on the back for 'fixing' it. The game itself is shit, but the price they charge for DLC is absolutely beyond criminal. I hope they all fucking suffer, every single one of them. I hope they put the barrel of the gun in their mouths and pull the fucking trigger.

>>717532640
>$40 for discount Civ V
no fucking way lmao, keep your shitty game.

>>717532748
It is the only way they have managed to make war against AI any kind of a challenge, because Firaxis insists on having both 1UPT and maps full of choke points which makes wars into traffic jams since units have such low mobility.

what surprises me the most is somehow no one realized in the preproduction that changing core mechanics is absolutely retarded idea, i mean i could see it working as a standalone mobile game but an actual civilization game? I wonder if there was any opposition to making radical changes like that inside firaxis. like most people had to know it will bad right? I remember redditors getting all excited by the changes but their opinion is worthless they will eat any slop shat out by their favorite corpo. but at least some people actually working on this game had to know its going to bomb

>>717533576
Especially since nobody liked the idea in Humankind. They had years to course-correct but decided to be bullheaded retards about their only remaining successful franchise. Genuinely how does Firaxis recover from this?

>>717517163
Sometimes it genuinely feels like game companies just don't want free money. I mean, how the fuck has Fallout 5 only just now been greenlit? That shit should have gone into production years ago.

>>717533576
They just didn't care anon

>>717519904
Civ 3 is a pretty barebones game what are you talking about? It isn't any more complex than 4. 5 is where it became more streamlined

>>717526592
It actually is a better game then 5. I hated the district autism and the music is a straight downgrade that sounds like disney shit.

>>717532640
Civ 5 puts me to sleep, barely any player agency between turns
Old world has same blunders but with obfuscated information on top of it
whole dynasty shit barely adds anything except wow your son is smart so research bar goes up faster

>>717515527 (OP)
>copy humankind mechanics
>suck shit and KWAB yourself
Humankind ended up being the civilization killer all along

>>717515853
it seems implausible at first for a company to completely sandbag a big release, but also consider the surrounding circumstances
>Amplitude sees Civ VI copying their homework but a bit worse
>SEGA is becoming more and more overbearing
>see an opportunity to pull a double whammy
>make Humankind
>it's kind of shit
>doesn't sell great
>lets them get out from under the heel of SEGA
>Civ VII copies their homework but a bit worse and completely shits the bed because a bit worse than kind of shit is awful
>Amplitude rolls off into the sunset with SEGA's buyout money and starts working on Endless Legend II
absolute madlads

>>717528721
Kat a cute

Its clear the game was forced to be released almost a year too early by empty suits at fraxis needing to see the line go up. I played it after the recent patch and its getting better, but still a lot of work needs to be done. The game shouldn't of seen the light of day till this winter at the earliest.

>>717528721
well now I know why it plays more like the sims than civs

>>717535903
I'd believe it, there was probably a lot of pressure to produce from higher-ups after the XCOM team completely collapsed in the wake of Midnight Suns

>>717528834
>No based comments

Bunp

I'm convinced the team behind Civ 7 was nothing but young up and starting coders, art and what not people that were put to work by 2K, without any experienced guidance

>>717535903
KEK better is relative. No amount of patches will ever fix the very core problem of the fucking game.

>>717515527 (OP)
What exactly did games past the first add to justify buying any of them?

>>717515853
It is kind of baffling how they copied the literal biggest reason Humankind failed without a hint of self awareness. It's insane how tone deaf they were with that shit.

>>717535440
>Civ 5 puts me to sleep, barely any player
agency between turns
Very true I only played 150 hours before I realized how boring and shallow the game actually is. 5 fags need to play something better it's the only 4x game they ever played

>>717535740
>Humankind ended up being the civilization killer all along
kek

>Focus is always on the civ awapping trash
>Not the fucking meme worthy map generation with zero variety as every one does the same banding of terraine
>No mention of how shitty ages are for getting ahead on science since it never fucking matters
>Can't even rush boats to see new world stuff early
>City states just reset every age as well

They took the worst fucking part of Humankind and made it even more shit.

>>717541173
Humankind at least had the decency not to reset everything between ages, and the terrain generation was great.

>>717517163

Just play EW Long War.

Its the 2nd best XCOM experience you can have.

>>717541173
I think most people who hate on this game didn't even play ot so they are ubfamiliar with less advertised mechanics. Which is of course a good thing everyone who gave firaxis money for this pieve of crap is an inbred retard

>>717517163
>Everyone was waiting for a third game and it simply wasn't made just because.
They made Chimera Squad, and the suits took the failure of that game as a loss of interest in X-Com. These people are completely out of touch and learning all the wrong lessons from failures because they rely on marketing consultants who actively lie to them.

>>717541843
nah, Chimera Squad was always meant to be a piddly little nothing game to throw XCOM fans a bone while the team worked on Midnight Suns. Midnight Suns bombing is what actually killed future XCOM titles.

>>717541173
the map gen is so bad I thought people were just shitposting for the first few weeks when they posted pics of it

>>717541724
That's true, the civ switching mechanic and the different ages transition is a big turn-off to me. I'll maybe get it when it'll cost less than 10 bucks with all DLCs, but right now I'm not interested at all.

>>717541989
Count me among those who thought 'surely, these are anons joking with images they made to intentionally make the game look worse than it is'.

But alas, reality was worse than my imagination.

>>717515574
Came here to post this.

>>717535440
>>717539960
>filtered by CIV 5 of all things
oof

>>717523595
Only 3 eras and everything reset when you go from one era to the other.
Leaders are dissociated from nations, this is a forced change, not something optionnal, and you're forced to change nations each time you change era, so you can go from a literally who country in Africa to the USA.
Leaders have XP and unlock perks on levelup, which is retarded in a genre where games can last weeks or even months.

For me it's Civ 4

>>717541173
You forgot most of your military disappearing, the few units game allows you to keep being put back in your towns (every city is downgraded to a town except capital) and being forced into peace with everyone on age transition
But as the previous anon said, the civ swapping is such a terrible concept that it single-handedly turned people off from buying and for now the game has Denuvo so you can't even pirate it, so most people aren't aware of other issues unless they hear about it in a review or from another anon

>>717532323
There's often but not always a time lag for these things, with the momentum often built by nerds who liked those niche games.
Civ4&5 were great and so people shilled them a lot in various place so normalfags jumped on the FOMO train when they heard civ6 was releasing.
it also work for failure, see Dragon Dogma: the first game was shilled everywhere so people bought the second game because of FOMO.
People only realized later that the game was actually shit but it still sold more than the first game ever has.
And I suspect the same thing happened for MH Wild: best selling MH ever but also the worse reviewed one.

>>717528721
This only incentivizes me to play VII even more, try again.

>>717528574
Have you tried reading *after* taking your meds?

>>717515527 (OP)
Corporate leant too hard into the Left and forgot that they have to make good games to make profit.
Civ5 is the infinitely better game and Civ6 appeals to zoomers and autists who need 400 different game mechanics that dont synergise for their stream views.

>>717532323
>5
>casual friendly
Its easy to learn to play but difficult to master.
Civ5's meta is pretty deep when played at high levels.
6 boils down to "fuck it just spam cities and roflstomp everyone with units cuz you have unlimited gold and no happiness to worry about"

>>717542436
There's nothing to get filtered by you mouth breather. It's a fucking brain dead easy game. Go play a real strategy game

>>717515527 (OP)
>How do you even fuck up this badly? Was it act of corporate sabotage?

It was a bunch of talentless diversity hires convinced that they're geniuses showing their true worth: none.

>>717543938
you have never played 6 in your life
global happiness is replaced with amenities
wars, lack of luxuries will tank it to the point of rebellion
hell you can conquer nations just by being culturally superior
5 is braindead

>>717536638
Probably removed them, I recall him in one video that if you say negative shit he'll just ban you on the spot.

>>717543938
>high levels
AI is retarded (to be fair, this isn't a Civ5 or even Civ exclusive issue but a problem with the entire genre) and multiplayer is unstable as shit. Where do you find this high level enviroment to play in.
Civ6 is braindead but there's people playing multiplayer so I could see why you'd need to minmax it against other autists

>>717516327
>At least Civ 6 can be fixed with dlc
Civ 6's DLC actively made the game worse

>>717543938
6 has happiness it's just per city instead of global
but honestly with how the luxes get distributed it might as well still be global. Sure it isn't as aggressive as the happiness system in 5 but if you are just spamming out cities so hard that you aren't always getting the amenity buffs you're just being dumb

>>717542962
Fair point.
Pretty much all my knowledge comes from watching people since no way in hell was I going to pay the $100 + tip at launch.

>>717515527 (OP)
Separating leaders from their nations was a huge business decision. They can now sell leaders and their respective nations to you ins separate dlc packs.

>>717545484
nta but i played 2 games of civ 6 in my life the first on emperor (stopped midway) then restarted on deity and both times i stomped the ai by just spamming cities and chopping forests
the ai is incapable of using the massive amount of tedious mechanics the game has which are retard proof but time consuming making the game braindead and unfun

>>717544000
>>717545484
>>717539960
>>717535440
Filtered

>>717550546
Strong argument

>>717516429
chud reporting for duti!!!

>>717515853
>>717535768
It's an amusing theory but unfortunately EL2 seems to be absolute horseshit from the beta so far. I think Amplitude more or less peaked with the initial ES2 release and have been done as a creative entity since then

>>717551270
Have you tried it? I have access to the beta but haven't dove in yet.

>>717515527 (OP)
they brought it upon themselves.

>>717550463
i have noticed that with 6
the early game is very hard but if you survive it the deity AI tries to dip into everything which results in them completely falling behind even with all of their cheats

>>717550463
>>717535440
Play civ4 instead

>>717551387
of all civil war era black people i do not understand why they would even pick her in particular
her contributions to anything were always dubious at best and she only became a known name when random academic weirdos started citing her in the early 2000's for brownie points

>>717551684
and if anyone doesn't believe me look at the references in her wikipedia article lmao

>>717530407
>get to CO2 scrubber tech
>run it non-stop in all of your cities
>undo all the CO2 attributed to humans
>go even further, rack up huge world wide CO2 shortage
>nothing happens

>>717541173
One unit per tile is a fucking plague on the stock map generator

>>717545484
How does culture work and how to conquer nations with it?

>>717528834
On behalf of Irish people I'd like to apologise for the existence of this faggot, and bono too

>>717552379
make blue jeans, coca-cola and rock n roll.

>>717515527 (OP)
Yes, and it's called dei/esg bribes from corporations such as blackrock, vanguard, sweetbaby, ect. Corporations take the fat guaranteed paycheck to push the agenda over the unknown amount of money they would make if they made a good game.