Thread 717516528

Welp, QuakeCon's Nightdive remaster got leaked before the show
>both the Heretic + Hexen bundle were removed from GOG and Steam
>Heretic and Hexen got delisted from both stores since this morning
Get ready for the shadowdrop today

>>717516528 (OP)
Will there be Heretic 2 and Portals of Praevus?

>>717516528 (OP)
Been wanting to replay these games

Fug i forgot about these games must have been like 25 years since i played them

If this goes the same way like it did with Doom and Quake, you will probably just update to new versions for free if you already own them.

>>717516659
>Damn you D'Sparil
DAAAAMMMMNNN YOOOUUUU!!!

>>717516716
Heretic 2 on the KEK engine could be cool. That is if it's not in copyright hell anymore.

>>717516628
This
The demon character was genuinely fun to play

>>717516528 (OP)
>nightshite raping even more classics and spoiling search results as morons refer to the vulturemasters as the originals
What happens when these sellout carrion eating cretins run out of games to fuck up?

>>717516892
Why are you mad? Just run it in a virtual machine if you want to play the originals.

>>717516892
>What happens when these sellout carrion eating cretins run out of games to fuck up?
No worries anon, Atari will run them right into the ground before that happens. Just like everything else they own.

>Nightkike
Oh boy, can't wait to pay $30 for fucking Hexxen.

>>717516528 (OP)
I bought this during the summer sale
>>717516716
Hopefully

>>717517165
It's probably free for owners of the originals even then I doubt the price hike would be that much since they're probably being contracted by microjeet

Rather than a Hexen/Heretic remake, I'd rather see a Heretic II remake using the 2D engine of the earlier games. Or if you can't do that, 3D engine that imitates the look of the older games like the Z-Doom ports.

>>717516528 (OP)
Was really hoping for Quake 3, but alright. Never cared much for these games but maybe the remaster will change my opinion.

Did Nightdive ever actually create anything or does their whole existence rely on parasitizing off existing games? People usually buy demasters to help developers fund their future projects, do they not? I don't think I've heard of a single original one released under their banner.

>>717516528 (OP)
Quake will be 30 next year
Next Quakecon should have a Nine Inch Nails concert where they perform the main theme of Quake

if you know where to get the original games for *free*, why are you complaining? the remasters, like always, are made for streamers, zoomers, children, etc people that you shouldn't be

are they streaming the event anywhere? Can't find shit i wanted to see the 1v1 if they still do it

>>717516628
Hexen 2 is still up so probably not, and no Heretic 2 either.

>>717518926
The entire reason the company was made was so the dude could make a modern port of SS2 and hired the other dude who was reverse engineering Doom 64 and Turok 1 in a custom engine. It's the entire point of their existence to be doing what they're doing.

What do you think are they going to do with a rework here? I have the games sitting in my library and haven't had the time to start them yet.

>>717516528 (OP)
I fucking love nightdive dude

>>717520189
>rework
They won't 'rework' anything. At best we'll get a new expansion for each game (assuming just Heretic 1 and Hexen 1), especially since Kaiser, the guy who made the Kex engine, already made Hexen hubs back in the day.

>>717518926
The only thing they've done original is the System Shock 1 Remake, but that's not their IP. Everything else is remasters. I don't really care if a company is just a remaster or port house since that's always existed.

>>717516528 (OP)
>tfw haven't bought Heretic/Hexen when I had the chance
Welp, looks like this time I will have to pirate the remaster.

>>717519131
it takes Disney/Pixar or Activision/COD money to make Trent lift a finger. forget about id software hiring him for anything. especially since their treatment of the Quake franchise ranges from rape to abandonment with nothing positive to note along the way. supposedly Trent really liked Quake (or Quake 2 or whatever) but not even that's gonna be an argument if id tried to hire him nowadays.

>>717519131
How will Trent scream for a minute?

>>717516892
>pretending to be upset
You can still play the OG versions. Nightdive never removes that option. You also get these remasters for free if you already own it on Steam. So why are you seething? Just to meet a daily quota for rage culture bullshit?

>>717516716
I wish it could be same if you own original CD version

>>717520858
>So why are you seething?
Many anons on /v/ don't play or even really ca about video games, they just want to whine and shitpost about them

>Nightdive
I hate that they didn't add the rtx renderer to Quake 2R

Will Machine Games make a new expansion or nah

>>717522513
If they do it'll likely Kaiser. He made the expansion for Doom 64 and already has Hexen experience.

>>717520858
This is /v/ people will get mad over anything.

>>717516528 (OP)
I've played both of these a ton through the source port. I am curious to see how the remasters will look but these games are both my favorite Doom clones. I slightly lean more towards Heretic but Hexen felt a lot more like it was trying to do its own thing.

I really hope that MS does not revive these games though and it stops with simple remasters. They will only gay it up with their current company politics.

It's up.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3286930/Heretic__Hexen/

>>717524134
No heretic II

>>717524152
Lame, maybe they'd bundle them together with Hexen II + Portals later.

>>717519131
They will, except instead of NIN it'll be an outsourced Indian cover band.

>>717524152
Heretic II was never on steam in the first place. Apparently there was always some type of license bullshit it was entangled in despite Activision being bought by Microsoft.

>>717524449
What the hell could be holding it back if it wasn't activision? Does an insurance company have the IP like system shock was for awhile?

Holy fuck, they actually remade the PS1/Saturn intro.

looks like 2 new episodes as well

What is the point of making a "remaster" of 2 games that already run and play 100% completely fine on any modern sourceport? This sounds as retarded as remastering doom, that is to say very retarded.

Aw cool, I can't wait to purchase a 30 year old game again!

>>717524595
does quakecon run for another day maybe?

>>717525054
Oh cool. I wonder if the HeXen one will be a new hub like Deathkings.

>>717525278
It better be. Hexen is hub based, not level-to-level.

>>717525149
Okay well after watching it I am interested in the new heretic episode. If its any good Ill just pirate it and load it up on vkdoom like a sane person would.

>>717525402
>>717525215
Nigga it's free to anyone that already owns the games. Do you read before you make posts? Are you a low IQ reactionary to everything in your life?

>>717525402
>vkdoom

Alright bros, what class?

>>717524134
what did they remaster? it looks exactly the same

>>717525582
from memory Mage is pretty good

>>717525629
It's not, remaster is just to distinguish it from community ran source port but a source port is what it is.

>>717525582
I wonder how long it'll take Wrath of Cronos to get ported over.

>>717516528 (OP)
based

Jesus, they must have doubled Ettins' attack range.

>>717516892
someone should beat this shit out of this faggot and break all of his fingers.

>>717525758
Did they? The Q2R made Q2 a harder game than Q1 with the changes to enemy AI. I'm curious if they really did alter some of the enemies.

>>717516528 (OP)
Is there going to be a show? I don't see anything on the schedule for any streams.

>>717525734
Ported where? GZ? Crispy?

>>717525978
In about thirty minutes.

>>717525963
Yes, I almost died on fucking Winnowing Hall doing the usual back-and-forth dance with them.

>Cleric has a shield now, paired with the mace
>it can reflect projectiles
>it can fucking parry
>parried ettins are one shot by the follow-up mace attack
Hmm.

>>717525582
The way that high-resolution HUD clashes with the game's fidelity is jarring

>>717525149
Consoles, you retard.
Whenever you see a modern remaster/port of an older game, 90% of the intent is to sell it to console casuals. How are there still people who can't grasp this.

Huh, I don't know it it was the first Heretic that was changed but now I have this in my library

>>717525734
KEX engine doesn't support ZDoom scripting and never will.

>>717526502
You could just turn it off if you want your SC-55 Midis.

>>717525149
Achievements, active deathmatch public matches and not having to spend time finding a good sourceport. Quake 2's remaster is my go to pick up and play for Quake 2 now, never did like the preexisting source ports that much.

>>717526417
I still have a library entry for og steam versions of heretic, hexen and the expansion so looks like they didn't remove your games like the doom remaster did.

I HECKIN' LOVE HAVING TO AGREE TO FOUR SEPARATE CONTRACTS TO BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE PLAYING A VIDEOGAME I ALREADY PURCHASED OVER A DECADE AGO

>>717526578
Ah right, I just found the tab where I left them and they are here

>>717526575
I recall Yamagi was omay but yeah, Q2 never had a "Quakespasm".

>>717516892
you are such a nigger

How hitscan heavy are the enemies in this game? Are they build engine Duke Nukem level?

>>717520024
Heretic 2 depends of how preserved the SRC and development archive is at Iron Mountain, because Battlezone wasn't in a good shape as per ken miller years ago when they got to give to rebellion and copy for themselves.

>>717516659
>>717516750
Would be funny if he returns and pulls a Alduin's voice since Same VA

Huh, neat. It's in my library.
I'll have to play the update at some point. Love me sum Hexen.

>>717516528 (OP)
so the wolfenstein 2009 relisting was fake? shame, wanted to have that game in my library

>>717527156
Kys if you install this thrash. Just delete it from your steam library if you have ANY sort of dignity.

How long until Heretic/Hexen get pirated?

I know most here will disagree, but the new remixed musics for Heretic isn't so bad, at least for the first level. I switched between the original and the new one, it seem fine.

And as another anon said, the intention was clearly to sell for consoles because it has native controller support

>>717527117
>Heretic 2 depends of how preserved the SRC and development archive is at Iron Mountain, because Battlezone wasn't in a good shape as per ken miller years ago when they got to give to rebellion and copy for themselves.
Really? That'd would suck, but we are giving Nightdive the money to do the hard work. Plus it's not like a game such as MechWarrior 2 where the source code is just outright gone and any port or remaster would need someone to reverse engineer the game.

>>717527338
Sell to console, revitalize interest, and also get more people to buy it on Steam. Yes, source porting is still done by a niche. Some people just want to click and install and not having to hassle with finding out how to do that shit.

>It's called Medusa in the library page
That's cute.

>>717519814
Same Quake Channel
Same Quake Hour
https://www.twitch.tv/Quakecon

>>717527338
>And as another anon said, the intention was clearly to sell for consoles because it has native controller support
And also "fuck you" to Linux users because KEX is full of proprietary dependencies so Night Dive can give the convenient excuse of "it'll be too much effort to port it"

>>717516528 (OP)
>BUY THOSE GAMES LATER BRO! THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE ON SAL-AAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

>>717527252
Hey buddy. I think Minecraft or Roblox is more your thing. Let us actual gamer boomers enjoy this.

>>717527108
There's not a single hitscan enemy in either game. And there's only two hitscan weapons in either game, both in Heretic. The games are very heavy on melee and projectiles.

Heretic and Hexen are Doom engine games.

>>717527345
Seeing that Raven Vault in this is really well preserved, it means that there is hope that Hexen 2 as Heretic 2 development and later SRC are intact and there are copies of it.

hell, recently paril has shown a cut quake 2 enemy people nicknamed "tonk" that became the Asshole Arachnid from the PS1 port

Did they make the levels less confusing?

>>717527567
Boomers install sourceports and would never use DRM to buy licenseslop you fucking moron ubermensch.

>>717518926
>People usually buy demasters to help developers fund their future projects, do they not?
No, they buy them to play the game that runs good.

>>717527108
Retard.

>>717527671
Apparently so.

>>717527818
at least is toggleable for retards

>>717525734
Isn't that mod dead anyway?

>>717527671
If you're really needing the help you can also enable an objective marker for guidance

Until recently, there was no way to play Heretic in a truly faithful manner except through dosbox or ports that didn't add any QOL. But DSDA Doom became "demo compatible", and since then you can play the game true to the original, but with widescreen, high resolution, etc. No need to wait for official ports.
Heretic 1 in particular is very good. Except for a few parts (like the last boss of the third episode), the level design holds up very well. The guys who worked on Heretic were light years ahead of the guys at ID Software when it comes to understanding fundamentals like level design. There's no nonsense garbage like Sandy Peters0on's maps.
Playing Heretic today is almost like playing modern megawads of Doom (but the vanilla ones, not the ones full of gimmicks).

>>717527464
past broadcast 6 years ago

>>717527904
Probably but I still really like the added classes.

Did they add trannies and bipoc folx?

>>717528015
Yes

>>717527985
https://youtu.be/IqGYxQosaRY

>>717525149
you want a medal for having the old version, or were you pirating to begin with?

>>717528015
god I hope so

>>717527818
what are enhanced enemies and weapons?

>>717527985
https://www.twitch.tv/bethesda

>>717527818
Might try Hexen again, and yes, I WILL have beaten the game.

>>717528368
The descriptions only say
>Overhauled weapons, with a bit more 'oomph'.
>Improved enemy behavior.

>>717528498
with the new changes made for the game, i hope some mad fuck manages to make a less bloaty serpent resurrection

>>717525473
Own them on what? Steam? You BOUGHT an iwad on steam? Gave bethesda money? For an iwad? Kill yourself

>>717518926
This is like complaining that Criterion Collection doesn't make their own movies?

>>717527818
ew, in the end this anon was right >>717516892
>abloo abloo optional hurr
who cares, all the newfags aren't turning it off

>Donna Jackson now "Office Manager" instead of "id Mom"
Bethesda really sucked all of the soul out of this company didn't they

>>717528616
>he didn't own the old Doom Classic Collection from 15 years ago
You Shartroon fags loves to find outrage for games you never played at all.

>>717524595
It was stuck in legal limbo between Activision and Id Software, for some reason. Same with one of Hexen 2's expansions.

>officially restored the flechette cloud glitch
Nice.

>>717528616
I bought the ID Super bundle back in 2009 on Steam for around $24 that included all their games up to that point. Was well worth it.

>>717527818
>less obscure progression
Weird. I don't remember that being an actual issue in Heretic outside one of the secret maps. I thought the whole "alright, where the fuck do I go now" shtick was Hexen's thing.

>>717516528 (OP)
Remastered Hexen with local multiplayer would interest me. Some of my fondest memories are of being the stupid pig in split screen matches and getting power ups from the pig-accessible areas.

>>717529673
You will never be a wizard

>>717527818
>rebalancing a 30 year old game
>balance
>in a singleplayer game

>>717530049
The cultists in Rise of the Triad needed less health. Sometimes options like that are a good thing.

>>717530049
It's not a difficult concept, I don't know why it's giving you so much trouble.

>>717529570
This. ID has had several great bundles back when Steam sales were allowed to be good. I still have Doom / Doom II 1.4" floppies and still bought that shit.

>>717529629
8 player split screen confirmed

>>717525582
Warrior is straightforward with a powerful starting weapon and OKish further weapons
Cleric has the most tedious and awful starting weapon, but gets increasingly more powerful stuff until he gets a BFG equivalent that wrecks everything. But yeah the Cleric is awful to play for 1/3rd of the game..
Mage has the prettiest and best starting weapon, but his other stuff kinda blows.

now they can do soldier of fortune next.

>>717516892
Fuck off, retard. Nightdive did the Turok remasters which were literally perfect.

>>717530374
Arc of Death is the 2nd strongest weapon in the game.

>>717516716
It better be because I bought the bundle a couple of years ago in anticipation it was going to happen.

Cool I guess, but I just beat Heretic and Hexen last year (and Hexen 2 like a month ago). Where's Heretic 2?

>>717530545
>activision IP
>getting remastered

>>717530680
Should be in your library then

>>717530762
Right now? Abandonware. Pick yourself an .iso

>>717530552
The lighting and bloom in the Turok 2 remaster gave me eye cancer but for the most part the Turok remasters were good. Definitely more playable than any previous version of Turok 1, 2 or 3.

>>717530762
>Where's Heretic 2?
see
>>717530763

>hexen
>find a switch texture
>activate something on the other side of the world

>>717530820
I've already got one downloaded, I mean why isn't it on the store.

>>717531018
IP fuckery, that's why its abandonware in the first place. This might change but it might not.

>>717529895
More like they solved the issue that technically the trio are the ones fucking shit up in co-op

>>717530786
Oh cool, you're right

>>717516528 (OP)
>Nightdive

So it will be overpriced AI slop like usual

Wait a minute, why is this being published under Bethesda anyway? Microsoft got it from the Activision buyout.

>>717531419
bethesda owns id since 2009 lil bro

>>717531419
It fits the Bethesda/Id label like the rest of the shooter remaster stuff, and Marty's gone up on stage with a Hexen t-shirt. Fundamentally, there's no reason not to shuffle the IP off to that side of matters.

>>717531419
Because it's Doom adjacent and it meant it could be a Quakecon remaster.

>>717531261
I thought night dive was full of trannies who hate AI

>>717531419
microsoft owns bethesda and bethesda owns id. all hail our microsoft lords

>>717531482
Activision owned the IP since they owned Raven.

>>717531419
>Activision
the only thing activision owns is heretic 2 and they give zero fucks about it, it's not even on gog

what graphics filtering options does it have

>>717531539
Nightdive has had AI do all the work for them on at least the last 4 or 5 "remasters" they've done.

>>717519412
I bet you feel big and special when you tear others down like that.

>letting gacha games on auto
>playing Heretic
I also discovered that I was a total shitter when I was young, because the game is quite easy

that's a LOT of work they made for the games not many people will probably try since they're not even as 10% popular as doom

>>717532153
Daddy Phil specifically loves Hexen.

>>717531984
The "enhanced" gameplay does make everything easier I've noticed

>>717532153
I remember seeing some old ass games being resold in Playstation Network with decent score

>>717516528 (OP)
>no arena remaster so we can have sweaty arena fps again for a month
damn

>>717530763
It's all owned by Microsoft nowadays though.

>>717531825
on no god forbid someone uses a tool that helps them make higher quality textures

At least the quick load button INSTANTLY load my saved game, doesn't even take a single sec to get me back

>>717532298
early on is obvious, but then, episode 1 enemies are quite easy.
Shit gets criminal once maulotaurs, wizards and iron liches are introduced

>>717516528 (OP)
Now that Hexen and Heretic got remasters, Wolfenstein is definitely getting the remaster treatment (especially Wolfenstein 3D)

>>717532486
Isn't technically Quake Live the remaster? That's the hardest part, how would you remaster Q3 if Quake Live is technically just that.
I mean they could sweeten the deal by merging both into the same client and including a single player to Quake 3.

>>717532252
He is still angry that hellraid was cancelled and techland made zombie slop after it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C__GtolvvhY

>>717533240
Quake live isnt a remaster, also the game is censored as fuck

>>717533240
I they made Quake Live crash less often that would be enough

>>717516528 (OP)
i wanted a quake 3 or 4 remaster, but i guess this is fine

>>717533240
the big thing is that you would finally get new people playing even if it's the same shit

>>717532486
RTCW is the more likely one out of the id tech 3 games to get a remaster

Are the new campaigns any good?

>>717533292
Didn't they release what they did of Hellraid in Dyling light?

>>717534015
They're more of what to expect from each game, really. Nothing amazing or standout besides fancier geometry or setpieces here and there, nothing bad unless Hexen being mostly switches and fetch quests is your biggest problem since that's what the new episode is too. They tried to stick to the baseline of what the engine offers (and what their enhanced versions of the normal campaigns do for asset/design changes) instead of pulling what the Quake stuff did with totally new assets and design.

>>717534079
NOPE, the game was cancelled for zombie slop

>>717534079
It's like a 15min segment but technically.

>>717534015
How would anyone know, it just fucking released.

>>717534015
theres a gman vid man, our guy already played it

>>717534148
So far, so good with the new Hexen hub.

>>717534174
But they did release a DLC for Dying Light, which was the stitched together bits they did of the Hellraid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJciXvecJg

Brownpill me

Can anyone tell me if this new release includes Hexen II?

>>717534429
No. It's Heretic + Shadow of the Serpent Riders + new episode and Hexen + Deathkings + new episode.

>>717534350
And people asks why techland deserves shit.
In any case that THQ nordic game that they shown this week looks like a proper spiritual remake of Hexen and Witchhaven cobbled together

>>717516528 (OP)
Anyone else notice that the chaod serpents are clearly the Violater from Spawn and the Death Wyvern is clearly taken from Borys?
While they got away with it back in the 90s is thete any chance these being somewhat back in the limelight could get them in trouble?

>>717534429
Hexen 2 and Heretic 2 probably coming out later before Quake 3 Remaster lands
Hope the SRC of Heretic 2 is intact

>>717532713
that'd be fine if they were higher quality but they're simply higher res and usually look worse

I want the enhanced gameplay like the Cleric shield and the new textures but I don't want the retard hand holding for the puzzles, is this even possible? q

>>717534673
Not to mention Wolfenstein 2009 (considering that was developed by Raven Software as well) is going to get a rerelease

>>717534851
better get wolf3d+RTCW since that is inevitable, also2009 cant be bought anymore

>>717534809
You can turn it off, just like Turok 2.

>>717534350
idk that feels more like they took the old assets they had lying around and made a dying light dlc with them

>>717534939
Yeah I know but the SteamDB for it was updated. Also Wolf 3d absolutely needs it more than Quake 3 considering Q3 runs perfectly fine and its also a multiplayer only game

>>717534798
>>717534638
Well, yeah, it's the same artist, Gerald Brom, who did both of these.

>>717534967
>le heckin options
There should be no options.

>>717534429
nope lol

>>717534673
>Quake 3 Remaster
>>717534851
>Wolfenstein 2009
source?

>>717534638
>>717534798
Why is there basically no games that get this sort of aesthetic right?

https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11889350#p11902078
https://warosu.org/vr/thread/11806965#p11807085
Threw these two together recently. Does anyone want me to reupload either?

>>717535491
https://steamdb.info/app/10170/subs/

>>717535314
Eat shit and die.

>>717527691
Lower your tone when speaking to me.

>>717535314
>consolenigger mentality: the post

>>717535706
>tfw we won't ever get a new GOOD Duke Nukem
>fucking Gearbox of all devs got the series

>>717535836
No options as NO HAND HOLDING OPTIONS! You play it as how it was meant you stupid fucking nigger. If you get lost? Grow a brain. If you give up and want an optional handholding patch? Unironically kill yourself.

>>717525629
looks like a more lazy remaster similar in vein to doom + doom ii from last year. basically just a source port with some new episodes. not everything they release is a dark forces or quake 2 remaster and they just released the system shock remaster less than two months ago

>>717535901
And now Duke Nukem is owned by Take Two, somehow worse than Gearbox

>play 3 maps of heretic, ok
>try hexen as cleric, got spanked because I wasn't auto running
Extremely gay, I also discovered the shield is pretty much useless. I guess I will just stick to Hexen, I really liked the ambience

>>717535991
What part of eat shit and die didn't you understand?

>andrew hulshult heretic docks music and hexen's winnowing hall music
it better be kino

>>717535991
You have to accept that you're no longer the target audience for games. People are proud to be casuals now and expect to be catered to, and they actually view anything that causes momentary frustration as a fundamental game flaw that should've been ironed out, not a challenge put there by the developer for the player to overcome.

>>717527691
>ubermensch
Zoomers shouldnt use words they dont know the meaning of kek

>>717535991
>thread is about a remaster
>don't wanna play a remaster because it simplified stuff
>complain instead of just sticking to the original
Is this autism?

>>717534079
Yes, as a DLC, and it was fucking horrible.

>>717526325
That's the point of rewhatevers. To rake in some easy dosh by performing shitty taxidermy on old games. And aggressively removing even mentions of the originals from what's left of the Internet or it'd hurt the sales.

>>717535991
Ever noticed how most anons stopped talking about the more obscure games? Don't know about them but that's the reason for me. I still want to find relevant information and tiny fan websites when I look up their names or specific things from them. Because every reslop removes a game from that, replacing it with a mockery of the original. And scrubbing the original from public discourse, usually deliberately including but not limited to through shills.

Dont mind me, just posting the best theme of all the games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeMuCXEZROs

>>717525629
The price tag

Oh wow I never noticed the hammer has a little face on it, maybe because I barely played it on Steam and last time I really did was on the N64.

>>717525629
is written in that page anon.
see also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ICpH2ZD8w
if you want to hear it in video format.

>>717535991
show your la-mulana playtime, brain-haver

>>717536880
nta but my issue is that new players will play a bogged down version of the games. no one cared about GPS in quake 2 because it was nowhere as important as switch autism of hexen

>>717525582
You want to suckerpunch demons? Go Fighter.

>""""""""enhanced""""""" levels
Is this the first time Nightdive are fucking with level design of the original episodes?

>>717538672
The doomsday 3d remakes were autistically detailed with this part.
Still want to port those to skyrim

>>717539531
retards still gets filtered by Act1 you dumb frogposter

>>717516892
Nightdive exploits the biggest retards that can't install the games themselves

>>717538746
hah i never noticed the hellstaff homes in on enemies

Nice, I think I'm going to jump right into Deathkings for the Dark Citadel

>>717526537
Said Zdoom Script was made by xaser and he put all of it on the kex wrapper forks/id24 format though id themselves are letting the mbf develop continues because there are stuff they are limited to add Thanks to fucking nintendo and consoles, plus they are endorsing the Fallout Bakersfield project, which is literally the Fallout 1 Remake

>>717525149
>runs fine
>Dosboxslop
choose one

>>717539686
No, they simplified lair of the blind in turok 2 and it still sucked ass. Fuck that piece of shit level

>>717527471
>And also "fuck you" to Linux users
Good.
Fuck Loonix.

>>717539531
No, they simplified lair of the blind in turok 2 and it still sucked ass. Fuck that piece of shit level

>>717540258
You're retarded

>>717540542
>just use a troonport
not even once

>>717532153
maybe, but I will be playing it ;)

>>717533610
I can't even get it to run on windows 11

>>717538746
There is a side menu when picking difficuly that lets you toggle rebalanced gameplay and improved level design/less switch hunting.

Can you pick different classes if you play hexen co-op?

>>717516528 (OP)
I called it, it could have been only a heretic + hexen thing and not quake 3 arena

>>717540258
I replayed both several years ago using DOSBox. You either have a toaster or skill issue.

>>717518926
shut up cuck the system shock remake was kino

Soldier of Fortune next year? Then Wolf 09?

>>717541082
>quake 3 arena
people actually thought that? holy delulu
>2025
>arena shooter
>with nightdive's netcode incompetence
>while quake live still exists

>>717527661
>keys are now 20+
welp

>>717518926
did YOU ever create anything aside from poop

>>717541159
>Remake has less content than a 30 year old game
Nightdive makes a killing off of mongoloid retards

Night Dive needs to drop whatever the fuck else they are working on and get a workable version of AvP2 put out.

>>717541524
Don't forget about Sin Reloaded

>>717541524
>get a workable version of AvP2 put out.
>two different defunct publishers
that shit is likely never legally seeing the light of day unfortunately.

I bought the game on Steam without realizing that my GOG library had received it for free. :(
Anyway, some of the enhanced levels of Heretic, on the highest difficulty setting, are a huge leap in difficulty compared to the original game.

>>717535991
you are the living image of the STOP HAVING FUN meme
kill yourself, you'll be doing the world a favor

>>717526502
What's it like having no ears?

>>717516528 (OP)
Wolfenstein09bros....
It was supposed to be our time...

>>717536452
I sincerely hope the nukes fall soon so society gets reset, this time with way less casualfags in it. I pray to God that it happens any day now.

Hexen is just a WAD so it plays perfectly today, what we need is Heretic 2 remaster.

>>717542453
It's Übver

>>717535549
I think at the time it was popular it was very difficult to pull off well on the hardware. No excuse now tho. The only recent example I canthink of was abathor which was actually pretty fun

hellraid when

>>717516528 (OP)
Are these games even good today?

>>717536452
>>717542514
Yeah, it's because people nowadays despise observation and connecting the dots that The Witness, Obra Dinn, Outer Wilds, Animal Well, and so on and so forth are smash hits. You are very intelligent and special.

>>717538746
Im actually very interested in that vault. That was ghe real selling pointnfor doom 1 + 2 for me. Im a huge cutting room nerd

Some of you seething grandpas should see a psychiatrist

>>717542968
If you're the type of retard that thinks game age, no.

>>717542968
No, they got a new bundle because they suck ass and no one likes them

>>717516884
Demoness was definately the best realised class. My buggest gripe with Hexen 2 was eceryones ultimate weapon was just a magic staff which didnt fit anyone besides the Necromancer and maybe Crusader. The Paldin shpuld have had a huge Quietus esque sword like in his offical art fkr fucks sake. Also he should have been called the crusader and vice versa thlse names fit their biographies better.

>>717535619
Does the firemace really do that mucg damage? Its never feels strong in heretic without a Tome.

>>717541269
>quake live still exists

lets be real its a walking corpse

>>717543529
and q3 remaster wouldn't be? shit's dying in a week

>>717516528 (OP)
noclip quick doc is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pANcjjPnzgw
By the way they didn't fuck around with the changes, heretic enhanced changes are something out of /vr/ so they know of HUMP

>>717543648
How to spot the clan arena tranny from ESRealty

Damn, Hexen is quite cool overall. I wish Daggerfall had this kind of ambience and gameplay when it comes to combat

>>717530049
ummm sweaty modern audience requires modern approach

>>717516528 (OP)
Why should anyone care when tens of source ports that shit circles around anything Nightdive can pump out exist?

Anyone try multiplayer yet?
Seems like /vr/ isn't impressed.

>>717543906
Have you tried reading the store page?

>>717542968
Not really, Hexen and Heretic both died because they just weren't good enough to compete with better fps

>>717544004
>still playing catch up to source ports
good to know

>>717543927
That pic is probably the most accurate stuff you will find. There are South Americans that purchase PS5 etc but barely have money to purchase decent games, so when low priced shooters appear they end up purchasing it

>>717543927
it's the same exact shitshow as quake and doom remasters, dunno who expected more of it

>>717543927
Impressed compared to what? Heretic/Hexen never had a huge multiplayer LAN community like Doom or Duke 3D. The fact that you get this sliver of time to play with some dudes in public deathmatch compared to... probably nobody (outside of 3 autistic greemlins in the world) that ever cared for it before is at least something.

>>717542453
Panic Button will probably do the porting of Wolf 09 considering they did that with Doom 3

I hate modern gayming

>>717542968
They are worth a play through I played through Hexen last year and enjoyed it.

>>717542514
>he thinks his autistic fatass has a chance in a post-apocalyptic society

>>717527818
I can finally beat the Nine Portals

>>717544356
I'm sorry your Pentium 4 can't run it Pedro.

>>717543927
>/vr/ isnt impressed
And the Sky is blue, since those retards at the doom thread are mostly by now tourist shartrannies or the faggots from slipseer cult of the fag sheep with bucky beaver teeth who hates Nightdive and both Q2+3 and Doom communities for getting the goodies.
And you can't even complain there because the /vr/ is from their ilk too.

I rather play it in GZdoom

nightdive should just announce they're starting pre-production (without actually starting anything) on a No One Lives Forever sequel or remaster just to bait Activision into figuring out the rights so they can cease and desist it.

>>717544504
The /vr/ janny is from their ilk, that fag always bans people who mentions them.

>>717543335
Crusader really was more of a cleric; his bio is that he studied and prayed in isolation at a monastery while also maintaining good physical condition as the scriptures dictated, only taking up arms when he saw monsters roaming near the monastery itself. That always painted him as a studious and reclusive but kindhearted figure, hardly a crusader at all. I assume they just didn't want to reuse the class names from the first game.
Meanwhile the paladin is part of a sect devoted to the (notGreek) god of war who are planning a huge raid on the demons in the name of glorious combat. Paladin still fits but Crusader would've fit even better.

Oh yeah, and I'm not sure I'd say Demoness was "best realised", more like most broken because she was designed around PoP. If you've ever used level select code to play her in the base campaign it becomes quickly apparent that the game was not designed around an infinite resource ranged weapon.

Cleric began and continued his life as a gigachad since day 1

>>717541269
Not to mention on controller for a genre that heavily dependent on M+KB and its multiplayer only.

>>717544707
Why was 90s fantasy really keen on ankh?

>>717544737
Quake Arena Arcade had gyro controls and it was smooth to play on the 360
Wouldn't be hard to do it

>>717544836
Raven were Ultima Underworld and TES THADS

>>717544843
Forgot Quake Live had a 360 port

>>717544836
It was a political correct substitute to the cross

Blizzard obviously stole Varian Wrynn's concept from Hexen's Fighter

>>717544954
Nah, it was better than QL because it wasnt a censored fuckfest and also not a shitshow for clan arena subhumans

>>717516892
fuck off you retarded kike lmao

>>717535647
it got an update, so what?

What's a decent Vanilla+ option to play Doom and Doom2, GZDoom still?

>>717545625
People thought it would never get a rerelease because of rights issues so interesting to see its steamdb updated

>>717542923
>abathor
The game itself is pixelshit. It doesn't feel the same.

>>717543906
You can take the wads of this version out and play the new episodes in your favorite source port.

>>717545806
yeah but what are the odds of it eventually coming back or getting remastered at all? i doubt it honestly

Were the weapon swing animations updated to not be clipped at the top and right?

>>717546196
yes

>>717546347
Fuckin hell yeah

>>717546078
Pretty fucking high I'd say

>>717516528 (OP)
So no quake 3 after all?

>>717545121
Surely Blizzard wouldn't steal something...
Hello Bitterman.

>>717546543
one update doesn't really seem like much imo

>>717516528 (OP)
When are they remastering Douk 3D?
Randy's source port is complete ass.

>>717548119
Never because groomford is occupied scamming people, and JSJ is now a fag and gianni is his bitch boy, God is really angry over Douk and the shenanigans of 3dRealms back then and cursed all of it as punishment.

>>717547867
>game delisted over a decade ago
>suddenly gets a private test branch 16 years after release
>and steam deck flags
Stop being a lil pessimist bitch. We're 99% getting a rerelease

>>717544490
nigger these games have no business in being 2gb and having a fucking 1070 ti as a recommended card, the ram is also ridiculous

>>717545625
Usually these updates on the depot are made well in advance. Same happened with Quake 2 in early 2022 before the remaster came out in 2023.

>>717548835
not him, but I was running a shitty gacha game AND Hexen, somehow Hexen dropped frames

>Ryzen 7 5700x3d, rtx 3060 12gb, 32gb mram 3200mhz
And Hexen remaster somehow had frame drop for a few seconds, it's clearly badly optimized

>>717548835
Anon, the part that is 2gb is usually the new menu screen that is adjusted for 4k monitors.

>i was running two games at once and one of them dropped frames for a moment
>means it's poorly optimized
dumb gacha nigger, not even deserving a (You)

>>717548673
If Quake 3 comes out this year
It will be at Christmas period aka at its anniversary in dec 2.
People at nightdive said they would be all in to add stuff from the console releases into Q3A to make a definitive edition.
I simply hope the make the models more rounder like the ATI TruForm patch

>>717547434
don't spread nigger.

>Nightdive remaster comes out
>some Terry Davis wannabe starts crying about specs
Like clockwork
Nobody is getting a 30 year old PC to test this shit on
Stick to your sourceports gramps

>>717550032
he probably can't even run those or dosbox either you dumb frogposter

Ive probably downloaded doom-based wad files 100 times over the course of my life
they're among the easiest things in the world to pirate

imagine giving money to a company instead of the people who made this stuff, or the community which supported it

>>717539868
What the fuck are you talking about? Good luck properly re-implementing DECORATE in Kex anyway.

>>717550318
Imagine being such a underage faggot to come to /v/ of all places to incite a fake outrage just because people are taking about a fucking game

>>717550482
Xaser already did that, the fucker is a wizard.

>>717549764
>If Quake 3 comes out this year
Never EVER just like Turok Rage Wars
Nightdive is all about single player games, Q3 just doesn't fit the bill
It's also way too PC-oriented and yes I know it got console ports back in the day

>>717550528
im ok with being all of those fake things, as long as you don't pay money to corporations for ancient software that is freely available to everyone

>>717545696
What do you mean by vanilla+?

>>717549764
>>717550565
What's the point of a Quake 3 remaster when we already have Quake Live?

>>717551745
you better not ask this question, some autismo is gonna lash out at you about clans or whatever

>>717551745
250 fps on shaftastic is a RETVRN TO FORM for Quake. I am ecstatic every time I see names like Cypher or Nitrino back on the server. I'm learning to time items again. holy fucking nostalgia blast, it's like we dialed back the clocks to 2014. and QL really WAS better than QC. the cope is over.

Here's the changes from the other thread

>>717550738
They didn't fuck around with this, it isn't 3d realms where they probably burned all the bridges with nightdive and SiN is now on limbo thanks to that retard Friedrich who decided to fuse SiN with that shitty phantom fury garbage
In fact is surprising how Apogee did right with their games and 3dRealms is sinking even lower


>>717550565
Nightdive said that they would be all in to port Q3Revolution if given the greenlight to do it, There is also the Dreamcast port which had crossplay which was fun as fuck to play with, also because the PS2 port is really damn good besides being a new game.
Also id finally Added all of Q3 and TA weapons into QC's skin list, if Q3 is getting a update it will take a while for it because they probably gave millenia full autismo control to make proper retro-HD weapon models.

>>717551745
Because quake live sucks, is inferior to quake 3 arena and the Arena Arcade on consoles, is censored as fuck, the behavior is terrible, you can't mod shit there, ESR fags ruined it with clan arena shit and OFC, quake 3 source ports runs better than QL under vulkan thanks to q3e.
Quake Live was a terrible experiment that even id and carmack admits it failed besides the engine upgrades to the aging idtech3

>>717551960
for duel (both viewing and playing) QL is the best iteration of Quake and it's NOT close. I understand that many features were lost from Quake 3 and that sucks, no excuses. just syncerror / tim wallets things. but still, QL is a fantastic game in spite of everything.

>>717530374
>Mage has the prettiest and best starting weapon, but his other stuff kinda blows.
Pleb, Arc of Death is the best 3rd slot weapon. But Frost Shards are overcosted on mana and using Bloodscourge is akin to rolling dice in casino hoping for double 6s.

Hexen Rebalanced solves this and other gameplay issues. Wonder if remaster works with mods.

Id and Bethesda are broadcasting the Remaster Q&A and Kaiser is there
https://www.twitch.tv/bethesda

>>717553279
Youtube Live too if twitch went full jew with ads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-qJkx-mnCM

>>717530545
Was the first game popular? I only got a PC by the time Double Helix came out.

>>717553567
It was, also it was a meme factory due to the mutilation system And notorious multiplayer lag for someone getting shot in the balls

>>717551745
>>717549764
>>717550565
if quake 3 ever gets remastered they should add content from vanilla 3 arena, team arena, the dreamcast port, the ps2 port/revolution, arena arcade, and add crossplay with quake live, if possible, adding stuff from live into the remaster might be a bit redundant imo, besides, nightdive has some experience with MP games, if the quake 1 and 2 remasters are anything to go by

>>717516528 (OP)
this might be an unpopular opinion, but i think quake 4 should get the BFG edition treatment, and they should bring back ETQW as well, not nightdive specifically, but just in general

>>717553916
if Q3A gets remastered, all of the old Q3A builds will be included too, like the leaked betas, the Chainsaw that was cut and even some crazy stuff it had like carmack experimenting with reflective surfaces, Q3 probably had the the biggest engine jump ever

>>717516892
You still have the originals you whiny retard.

>>717542923
Amid Evil captured the essence of that aesthetic pretty well. Not so much the visuals but the deep fantasy power setting.

>>717551960
>it isn't 3d realms where they probably burned all the bridges with nightdive and SiN is now on limbo thanks to that retard Friedrich who decided to fuse SiN with that shitty phantom fury garbage
Not him, but I wasn't aware of this drama. That sucks a lot considering how SiN is still in their "Upcoming releases" tab as TBA on their steam page.

>>717554620
This is probably the only schizo explanation i have for SiN remastered not being out yet.
Heretic 2 is on the horizon now, there is no excuse of why it is taking so long.

>>717550565
Rage Wars sucked, it had no right to exist. But because Acclaim saw what Epic and ID were doing with UT/Q3, they decided to make a multiplayer only game...when the entire pitch for Q3/UT99 was to take advantage of emerging internet online play. It's the very reason I never owned Rage Wars unlike Turok 2/3 because why bother wasting a bday/xmas gift on it when I can just rent it a few times?

>>717525582
cleric ghost gun supremacy

zoom zoom here, should I play quake 1, duke nukem or hexen/heretic?

>>717555124
yes
you should
all of them

>>717555124
All of them.

>>717555256
>>717555454
Which one first? just finished blood and the deathwish mod

it'll be funny as shit when Heretix and Hexen mog DOOM Dark Ages.
Their capeshit multiverse version of DOOMguy was actively detrimental to making a fantasy-based doomlike. Should've just been the Warrior, the Wizard or the Chick With A Bow.

>>717555513
Doesn't really matter. Either which ever one looks the coolest to you, release order, or Douk if you want the one closest to Blood.

Can you play Heretic completely vanilla in this new port? Or are the changes to weapons, monsters, etc. hard-coded into the game?
Thanks.

>>717555124
you've played og Doom yet (1&2) ?

>>717555689
Yeah, all the changes are optional.

>>717524134
>22 dollarydoos
yikes

>>717555124
Yes.

>>717556271
>Not owning the games when they were tip exchange cheap 14 years ago

>>717556387
i've always just found the wads somewhere if I wanted to play them

>>717556654
>Not owning the games when they were literally a cent cheap years ago thanks to the Doom Collection
This is a whole new level of soiteen underage faggotry at /v/

Doom eternal worth revisiting for the DLC? worth playing on the hardest settting?

Give me a new Hexen game. A first person melee/magic fantasy, atmospheric game with cool physics shit and bombastic magic attacks.

Basically Helldivers 2 but gothic fantasy.

>>717557816
Haven't you seen the game that was announced at the THQ Nordic showcase?

They ran Doom down to the ground haven't they

>>717526537
>zdoom scripting
which one?
There's at least 3 different code types

>>717527108
This is bait.

>buy new GPU
>has raytracing meme
>download voxel Doom with rt to try
>WAD from 1995 doesn't work, needs steam version
>need to give Steam and Bethesda 7 dollars for the wad I already have plus telemetry
Fuck this gay Earth

>>717527691
Calm down kid, or I'll call your mum.

>>717558150
>not owning the game for more than 15 fucking years of sales alongside the pirated iwads
>frogposts like a retard to generate outrage
someone give this flaming faggot a ice rod up the ass

>>717557432
If you enjoyed the base game, absolutely. Just don't expect anything new or crazy, it's just some new, even more difficult levels, and some recolored enemy variants.

>>717558295
WAD from dial up Internet time, still have the floppy disk somewhere
Fuck Bethesda and fuck Steam kikes
Another frog for you

>>717555513
just play whichever you want

Witchaven and Tekwar remasters when?

>nightslop
Yeah I'll pass

IDDQD kills you and IDKFA removes all weapons
Pretty funny, anyone get the all weapons cheat working?
I want to see the new shit.

>>717558613
>>717558295
He’s gonna need two

>>717516892
You weren't even going to play it anyway, what are you crying about?

>>717557968
Isn't that pvp?

>>717560790
lel
Stop thinking about my ass, you guys

Just boughted It. I missed completing 1/256 of a puzzle and getting raped by ebin shield horsemen so much.

>>717516528 (OP)
How's the Quake 2 remaster? I heard that enemy behavior is changed a lot and that a new campaign is included.
Already played that game back in the day but might give it a shot if the new content is good enough.

>>717561109
Fatekeeper? No, it's not pvp.

>>717561347
If you liked the quirks of the original, they changed some things like removing the recoil on the smg for example, and the jank from a few enemies.

>>717527558
>not already having both and expecting to get the remasters for free

Imagine spending money on nightslop. Literally just emulate faggots

>>717561693
It's literally free, and
>emulate
Imagine not knowing anything.

>>717561474
It's not coop either though. Not a proper modern Hexen.

>>717561737
>free
not with the overhauled levels & stuff

Hexen's expansion is one of the worst gaming experiences ever created.

>>717562075
Deathkings? What, that shit was fantastic.

>>717561520
The Ai was restored since the game shipped incomplete and the console ports had the complete stuff and cut maps.

>>717562029
which is worthy since the changes they made to hexen and heretic really put soul into it
which brings me hope Hexen 2 includes the cut portions of some maps as weapons that raven couldn't ship and some were used in praevus

>>717562075
Filtered

>>717562168
>return to hub
>it's now filled with twenty of these niggers

>>717562319
have you tried playing classic music on your speakers?
I hear that its effective in driving them away

>>717516528 (OP)
oh boy, awful fps melee combat and terrible levels

>>717524134
>>717524134
>>717524134
>>717524134
>>717524134
Let's fucking goooo

what the heck? no dehacked for the new enemies?

>>717562512
Wrong.

>>717562561
wait a bit, there is a entire doomworld thread dedicated for it

>>717562029
Almost guaranteed they'll release it for free to people who already have it. They did that with Doom + Doom II.

>>717562751
They already did.

>>717562617
Also Xaser is at quakecon, he is a week off til he checks out everything.

when was quake wars delisted?

>>717562990
when splash damage went under

Any cum-parisons of the levels with enhanced on/off?

I am happy to play a game, how novel!

>supporting Stephen kuck whatsoever
Couldn't be me

*ALL* of Dumpsterdive's garbage is worse than Silent Hill HD Collection because more than just breaking the games with their rushed out topkex hackjobs, they have the audacity to smear them in their own BS like PARRYING BACKPORTED TO A 1995 GAME and Bioshock arrows meant to placate trannies with DSP's IQ and call it the 'refined' 'enhanced' 'definitive' experience that all normgroids will flock to by default, but I guess hoarding plastic ewaste in 2013 was easier than dragging two files together in 2025 so that port had the infamy it deserved. Fog included. https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10574-blood-fresh-supply/page__view__findpost__p__327196

>>717561474
fatekeeper is a dark messiah clone not hexen

Is Quake 4 worth getting via Steam? Never gave that one a try.

>>717563312
I didn't say it was.

Hexxen 3 - Heretic 3 fucking when

>>717563631
After Heretic 3 is released.

>>717563214
Just don't turn those features on your dumb nigger

I'm having fun. These games are great :)

>>717563946
Log off and sew your mouth straight to their asshole to keep being dripfed one new classic you never heard of before each year that you can circlejerk about with your xisters on bluesky

When are Tribes games getting remastered?
I want to surf again with the broskis.

So what are Nightdive's biggest crimes? Or do they only get hate from /vr/etards that will hate on any type of change?
All I know is that they acquired the System Shock enhanced edition which was a free fan project prior to that.

>>717564348
Boss said stupid shit about Trump supporters. That's it. I voted for the guy three times and I don't care, the products are good and that's what matters.

>>717564348
Was going to say the Kingpin remaster but that wasn't made by them.
I've only played their most mainstream stuff which are fine (quake and doom)

>>717564348
Their SiN remaster has been in dev hell since 2022 but there's a 95% chance it's 3D Realms' fault because they're fucking retarded and can't do anything right

Are the two new episodes playable in GZDoom? I also remembered I still haven't finished Legacy of Rust...

>>717564348
>hate from /vr/etard
Just that
I mean, fucking hell, you can still play the original DOS ones or the original in the new port

>>717564348
They botched the Doom and Quake because KEKengine can't into physics.
Their other remasters are pretty good thoughever.

>>717526502
Why didn't they pick Luke Jansen instead? I enjoyed his Heretic/Hexen remix playlist.

Anybody got the WAD download for the new episodes?
Or is it hardcoded to their kex engine like Quake's new episode?

>>717538746
>account required
That better mean a steam account because otherwise they can go fuck themselves.

>>717565497
it could be a gamespy account

>>717552675
afaik the new remaster rebalanced damage and health a bit akin to mods
no idea if it's optional
also club guy now has a shield

>>717527471
retard alert.
it runs just fine on steam deck, a linux machine.
And if you're not on a deck, just use proton.

>can't save in co-op
What's even the fucking point, given Hexen isn't level-based nor designed around "starter weapon" runs?

>>717564348
a lot of it is similar to the emulation scene, really, hence your /vr/ comment
>i can play the game my way already, who the fuck needs this dumb shit, stupid zoomers
fact is i don't agree with every change, Quake 2 having the dynamic lights for maps be forced was kind of stupid, and no option for OG mechanics/balance is something they clearly learned from for this remaster pack, but they're damn solid options for someone tired of hunting for specific patches or source ports, and accessible for anyone curious with no strings attached.

is something like System Shock 2, which is mostly some clean-up, community mods, and controller friendly UI, all that necessary? nah. but it gets more people playing the game.

>>717564849
Explain what they botched, because I played the fuck out of both, 100% achievements, and it was perfectly fine.

>>717565987
>no idea if it's optional
It is. Literally every change made is optional.

>>717564849
>Their other remasters are pretty good thoughever.
My main pet peeve with a lot of their older remasters using KEX, is that KEX blocks the use of the Windows key while it's running, even if you tabbed out of the game. Like wtf, I regularly use Win+# to move between programs.

>>717566802
Everybody blames it on KexEngine when in reality that's more of a layer for the original games to run through, rather than some remake/rebuild in its own right. Quake and Doom subtly changed some player movement speeds for whatever reasons, which throws people off a lot, and the more autistic of the "communities" flip their lid about it.

>>717516892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZK2325DLsE

>>717567146
There was nothing subtle about Quake's backwards momentum being fucked relative to all previous versions of Quake. They did eventually patch it though.
They still never fixed blue water still using the murky green screen effect when it should be blue

>levels were modified in Hexen
Guess they casualized it. All I would have asked is just a HUD that shows which keys I'm missing in each level, although that would mostly apply to the first hub. 2nd & 3rd hubs have a sector that shows off the currently hit switches.

>>717567894
You can choose the original levels if you want, but from what little I played, it's less "changed the progression", and more, "here's actual indicators OF your progression". Like the first hub having major switch and key indicators in front of the boss door to know exactly what you still need to go find. The more notable change is that if you use the automap it tells you where you should be going by marking important switches or spots with an X, and key items appear automatically before you've even mapped out an area on it, which is the real casualization- but if you've already played the game so much to know where it is it's not much to talk about.

>>717535991
>play the originals
>get to one of the parts where you have to find an almost invisible switch hidden behind a prop from all angles but one
>run around for 30 minutes
>eventually Google where the switch is
>continue playing
Is this really any different

Seems like a pretty decent remaster. I was playing Heretic and Hexen on gzdoom in the last year and this feels similar but with a few more options

>>717555578
It wouldn't surprise me if the DOOM: The Dark Ages started out as an idea for a Hexen/Heretic reboot but then it was forced to be a DOOM game

>>717568029
>The more notable change is that if you use the automap it tells you where you should be going by marking important switches or spots with an X
That is actually a nice QoL, so I'm not stuck memorizing where in a particular map a thing I needed was, so I can backtrack to it later after meeting a related condition/switch.

>>717516628
H2 is the best in the series

Forgot I even had hexen/heretic on steam so the free remaster was a pleasant suprise, gave me an excuse to actually boot up hexen.
Liking it so far, playing warrior and got to hub 2 and just got his green mana weapon. Didn't realise the map markers were an optional thing but idk if I want to remove them given that the levers they point to still activate something across the map or throw up a "something in the cum dungeon activated" level of hint.

Anyway got a question about this hammer, does it do the same damage as the blue axe? seems to serve the same function but with the addition of a projectile. Also how many weapons do each class get? the UI seems to only fit the two mana types so are there alt weapons for each colour?

>>717568029
>and key items appear automatically before you've even mapped out an area on it
Why would they even do that? Should be an option thrown under the Accessibility folder with default to off.

>>717573960
Each class has four weapons. Default infinite, one that uses blue mana, one that uses green mana, and one that uses both. I usually save the other weapons for enemies that are a bullet-sponge or melee-unsafe.

Or just be Cleric and abuse flasks to stunlock enemies.

>>717563631
>>717563817
Hecatomb is more likely than either herartic or hexan 3

>remaster
>looks exactly the same
Why the fuck would I buy this trash?

>>717574098
I do like that the warrior turns flechettes into grenades, even if the bouncing is jank as fuck and gets stuck on geomery it shouldn't sometimes.
Keep forgetting to use powerups that aren't the flasks and flechettes.
I saw nightdive added class change tomes to the hubs so I might try cleric, I've heard mage is a bit rough. How many hubs are there? I assume the classes get their third (non infinite) weapon in hub 3?

>>717574297
5 hubs in the base game, 3 in Deathkings, and 1 (very large) in Vestiges.

Mage is very strong but his weapons require more finesse to use properly. You get your 3rd weapon in hub 2, the Shadow Wood.

>>717574478
oh that's pretty soon then, I'll stick with warrior to see his final weapon. I thought I'd like the hammer but it wierdly lacks impact

status on the cleric having parries?

>>717571932
How do I make graphics like this?

>>717574780
Are you asking if he does? Yes, he does. If you block right before a melee attack hits, you stun the enemy for a moment and your next mace strike deals a shit ton of damage. Enough damage to gib an ettin or centaur in 1 hit or regular kill a slaughtaur in 1 hit. The shield can also reflect projectiles if blocked at the right time.

I could never get into Heretic. First episode was the spongiest FPS I ever played from that era. Would like to see a collection of Hexen/Heretic 2 though, although that'll never happen.

How does this remaster compare to existing source ports? Because I know Nightdive can be somewhat inconsistent in quality when making remasters for games with an established modding community

>>717575279
>1 new cool mechanic (shield+parries) that makes the cleric even more OP
>new stuff to make the games easier, like map markers in Hexen
>new textures (dunno about their quality)
>new music by Andrew Hulshult
>1 new episode for each game
I'll download the new episodes and play them on GZDOOM

Did they add the N64 music as an option?

>>717524152
Heretic 2 and Hexen 2 are completely different games and engines

>>717564348
They tend to abandon their ports with known bugs never being fixed.
Even their most recent, Doom+Doom II, still shits the bed with a lot of wad made with specifications they claim should be running on KEX.
Plus the id24, spec they came up with, is basically abandoned and never going anywhere. Not lake anyone in 30 years old modding community expected anything from a modding format invented and supported by greedy mega-corporation inb4 muh Xaser, but still.

>>717575279
The remaster literally retains Doom + Doom 2's physics and all of its bugs, enuff said. Crispy Heretic/Hexen mogs as usual, International is good too. Drop WidePix in autoload if you want widescreen graphics, the Raven MIDI Pack for new great songs to replace the duplicates (mogs Xaser's retarded mappack, seriously, I thought it was common wisdom that tasteless modders shouldn't be allowed to meddle with commercial games) and the Heretic Minor Sprite Fixing project.

>>717516528 (OP)
Never really understood why people like Heteric and Hexen. Heretic is really just your average Doom WAD but with fantasy and mouselook and it isn't that great. Hexen is better with better enemies, minus the centaur, weapons and level design but the puzzles with very vague messages just don't make the game fun at all.

>>717575620
Hasn't stopped the KEX crew before.

>>717575461
I don't think so

>>717540723
And what's the rerelease doing, retard?

>>717576394
They made a bundle with multiple remade games from different engines?

>>717565049
Which fucking version of Doom Barracks Zone should I play? There's a gorillion variations of it.

>>717516528 (OP)
Beaten hexen so many times i don't want to play it anymore.

>>717576146
Heretic on black plague wand start is *far* more brisk than anything classic Doom released by iD - there are no hitscanners, enemy collision boxes are not infinitely tall, the powerups are awesome, the levels are better, the music is better, the art is better (corpses splash in water!) and death animations are far more satisfying. The Wayfarer's Tome is a misguided bandaid 'fix' for playing the game wrong, because Heretic already has an enemy roster that matches Doom 2's mid-high tier with health/damage values readjusted to star the crossbow as the workhouse weapon instead of the super shotgun (if anything, DOOM2.WAD has a TTK issue because Sandy barely put it in his levels) and to incentivize not hoarding 10 ToP's and 25 timebombs to map 8. Hexen has the misfortune of being a Doom engine game and thus having the audience of troonshoot casuls that can't enjoy it for the Slaughter WAD King's Field that it is.

>>717530832
Can't you turn the bloom off? One thing about their remasters I notice is that they give people more options to adjust game settings then most other remasters.

Is this even worth pirating? I beat those games last year

Hexen is way too easy even on max difficulty, it didn't need casualization.
Heretic on Black Plague is a challenge and the final fight vs D'Sparil is insane, Battletoads-tier agony if you don't keep tempo with the summons. It can very easily ramp out of control and you suddenly don't have the ammo to win the game.

>>717532153
Probably true but I'm likely going to buy the games when I get around to it even though I played them a ton because I just like them that much. Might just pick them up for Switch.

>>717576752
Separate releases. I don't expect them to do double the work for a single paycheck if the two games didn't share 90% of the same codebase.

>>717575362
Honestly same. GZDOOM is still king – anything new that's worth a damn just gets dumped back into that ecosystem anyway. Plus, the shield/parry thing feels like someone modding Hexen after playing too much Elden Ring. Not even mad, it's fun, but it’s also kind of jarring tonally. New episodes are a nice bonus though, especially if they don't phone it in like that sad Quake "Dimension of the Machine" slog.

>>717575362
>1 new cool mechanic (shield+parries) that makes the cleric even more OP
Was this something that was unfinished in the original source? I'm not really a fan of devs implementing their own things in the original content otherwise. They seemed pretty tasteful about it with Quake 2 outside of overhauling one enemy type that didn't act that was in the original nor was a cut feature.
Granted Q2 needed it because 90% of the enemies pose no threat

>>717516528 (OP)
Huh, just as I was playing the original Heretic which is supremely boring

>>717578870
You get the for free if you own the originals and you get a new episode for each game

>>717578481
>the levels are better
Let's not go that far. Sure it has a lot of awesome maps, but also a lot of really mediocre/annoying, basically the whole E2 is a shitshow.

>>717579768
Dimension of the Machine was great, I really liked the impressive environments in that one
Dimension of the Past was the one that was completely pointless

>>717580815
If only Sega, Monolith, or 3D realms did this, such sons of bitches.

Nooo normal people will know what a Heresiarch is now.

>>717580872
Heretic at its worst beats E3-E4 of Ultimate Doom and the latter halves of Doom 2 and TNT Evilution at their best.

>>717564348
No Turok Rage Wars

>>717580992
> and the latter halves of Doom 2 and TNT Evilution at their best.
Hardly an achievement

>>717580880
Dimension of the Past is a free mappack released as .rar archive on a fucking twitter. It never tried to be anything big, it's just a small anniversary gift, and it was good for what it is.

If it doesn't have the N64 music its an incomplete game. Not going to bother.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC0MMbnOEcs&list=PLEBD138EAC6B6A21C&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENgqRRagqs

>>717580992
>hating on E4
>hating on TNT
Should've said earlier that you're a shitter with shit taste. Opinion discarded.

>>717581284
>I TRANSHEART corner peeking shotgunning barons and stumbling over everything or SR50ing gargantuan shitty empty mazes and TRANSHATE the actually fun shooty game and the actually beautiful backtracking game

>>717581104
No one cares about that shitty Quake knock off

>>717581537
Sorry, no amount of strawman green text can save your face now. Hating on E4 is both admitting that you have no love and understanding of classic shooters and that you're bad at vidya.

>>717581537
obsessed

>>717581959
i fell for it