Thread 717518518

Is he the best written protagonist in all of video game history?

no, that would be Raziel from Soul Reaver

but... he doesn't eat pizza... and crack reddit jokes...

>>717518518 (OP)
Not my hero.

wrong

it's this nigga right here

>>717518735
Eddie Dombroski never had the makings of a varsity protagonist.

>>717518518 (OP)
He started the blood war or he was zerthimon

>>717518607
truth nuke that raped every other shitty reply itt

>>717520909
Neither, speed-reader.

>>717518518 (OP)
planescape torment is a shit game for pseuds, bioshock infinite of the 90's

>>717522203
>bioshock infinite of the 90's
so really cool and underrated game of the 90s?

>>717522637
no, a mechanical junk which was "saved" by sub 80 IQ morons doing a basedface over muh
>what can change le nature of a man
and treating it like a modern masterpiece on par with Philip Dick or Dostoevsky

>>717524552
so what can change the nature of man then

>>717518518 (OP)
well he updates his fucking journal enough

>>717518518 (OP)
numenera is better

>>717524659
soijaks

>>717522637
>bioshock infinite
>underrated
revisionism

>>717524659
>>717524659
the question is pseudish itself. what does “nature” mean? what constitutes “change”? Is "man" meant biologically, psychologically, morally, spiritually? it sounds cool but it purposefully asks a question which you can't answer/people will just answer it with different definitions in mind. If some anon would make a game with another "profound" theme like "can one live authentically in a world of imposed roles and expectations" with mechanics similiar to planescape torment then you niggers would laugh him out of the room. kek thinking about it, /v/ would meme this theme into being about trannies in this day and age.

>>717524552
how many of the "sub 80 iq morons doing a basedface" do you think would have actually played an infinity engine game back in the day, especially one that is a wall of text? it was one of the most niche games in an already nerdy dnd genre. got great reviews but sales were mediocre at best

>>717518781
super trvth nuke

>>717525532
When it comes to good storytelling, many nerds are seldom better than normalfags.

>>717525518
>claims the question is psuedish
>proceeds to do pretentious overthinking asking questions like "what does change mean?" "what does man mean"
kek

>>717518518 (OP)
I need to play through this game.
I got it in the early 2000's when I was a kid but someone stole it from me so I never got to fully play through it.

>>717518518 (OP)
idk ive never played it

>>717526023
>overthinking
those are just basic definitions, otherwise the question becomes a shallow slogan, especially when the nameless one isn't a very good character himself

>>717526342
you know what the word man means, you even know what it means in context. if you don't know, you probably aren't smart enough to engage in questions like it.

>>717518607
No, he talks too much like a faggot

>>717526524
that question appeared only in your pathetic strawman deflection. but it's ok, you can enjoy your "deep" story and characters like
>succubus but... le good, she also loves le heckin soience!
hahaahaahaahahahaha

how can a blank slate character be well written?

>>717526724
yea i don't give a shit about bioshock just calling out your retardation.

>>717518781
wish they kept the mario 64 beta voice for him from the demos

>>717526023
that's why I can never take those retards seriously

>>717526840
i accept your concession

>>717518518 (OP)
My penis can

>>717518518 (OP)
nah

>>717526524
what is the nature of a man? if you look at the classic question of nature vs nurture, nature is an inherent quality that can't be changed so asking what can change it is a contradiction. if you look at the context of the game what can be considered part of the nameless one's nature? his stats? his alignment? those are determined by metagame decisions by the player. the question is poorly constructed and the answers the game presents for it are extremely shallow.

>>717527382
oh my science this is litcherally like a hecking epic irony-poisoned leftist podcaster but in video game form i am going to make xhem my bluesky avatar

>>717527382
yes, /v/ shits on this game but for all its faults it doesn't take itself too seriously (because game writing is inherently tainted) and it's not filled with 20 lines of redundant filler for every memorable quote or scene.

>>717527637
ok now try writing like a human being

>>717527637
you type like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>717518518 (OP)
what is the nature of man

>>717520909
The Practical Incarnation created the circle that he gave to Dak'kon and would lead to his crisis of faith, but he's not Zerthimon himself

Whats interesting about TNO is that his backstory is not about him, but your decisions becomes his story and thats what ultimately brings his torment to an end.

>>717520909
I think it's implied that the blood war has been going on ever since the universe was created.

>>717527724
>it doesn't take itself too seriously
retards are so insecure they have to shit on it to prove they're so smart and above
not realizing a story can be simple and not extremely deep, but still managing to keep the player interested and engaging him in it

>>717518518 (OP)
>oh the planes
>ohhhhh the planes are so evil
>ohhh
What a prick, I kinda hated this whole game. Such an awesome setting and it wasn't done justice. But maybe it's better suited to TT on the abstraction layer

>>717528039
Correct.

>>717528301
yeah i agree but it actually is pretty good if you aren't a massive fucking faggot

>>717527637
based and made losers seethe

>>717527448
I think the question is fairly straightforward.
Nature, as you said, referring to that core of a person's being that precedes all learning, so deep that most times people aren't even really aware of it.
I think that is the reason for TNO to be an immortal amnesiac, through effectively losing all learning between resuscitations he's reset to a factory zero where only his nature remains, granted by the time the game takes place his amnesia is beginning to fade.
I think the point of all those resurrections is for TNO to actually reach a belief powerful enough that it would be able to affect his core. Essentially achieving a nurture that affects his nature

>>717518518 (OP)
Okay but unironically what could change the nature of a man?

>>717528779
sex change

>>717524659
Jacking off all day. Eating at McDonalds.

>>717528779
a bird
specifically the egret

>>717524847
An opinion so shit it could only be sincere.

>>717527932
selling your friends into slavery, and going back to the blood war?

>>717528301
Definitely did the sourcebooks a disservice in the second half but you'd have to be high to think it's not at least a decent game.

stop posting gay newfagisms
start posting more cool stuff about the game and lore

Planescape is cool and all but what we really need is a Spelljammer game

>>717529140
this

>>717518518 (OP)
No protagonist in gaming is well written. It's impossible to "write" someone you control which is why I tend to avoid games with voiced protagonists, characters with established backstories, etc. They should be totally mute and have no (or very little) dialogue.
Other characters can be well written though of course.

>>717527923
>that he gave to Dak'kon and would lead to his crisis of faith
he filled it with guru bullshit so he can become a better slave
>>717525518
filtered, now go play the game since you clearly haven't played it

>>717529849
cope

>>717528720
that interpretation doesn't make sense from a metagame standpoint. one of the first decisions that you can make in the game is whether or not you want to choke a bitch. at that point the nameless one has no memories at all so you can say he is operating completely on "nature," but actually it's just whatever the player feels like. if you accept that you are choosing the nameless one's true nature with your roleplaying, then that means that the previous incarnations who acted differently were acting contrary to their nature rather than having it be permanently changed, since it reset when they lost their memories. if that's the case then the only answer for what can "change" the nature of a man would be memory, which isn't presented as an option.

>>717527120
Ahahha

>>717529891
if you played the game you will know the question means nothing, but if you only watched videos of the game you'd think the question is important since those making the videos are speedreading

[updated my journal]

Shit game, Arcanum is way better.

>>717530270
not saying much, arcanum is also shitty clunkslop

>>717518518 (OP)
He's definitely up there, what makes him interesting is all the shit Practical One and Paranoid One made and discovering what they did piece by piece

>>717530140
>if you played the game you will know the question means nothing
you are right (but for the wrong reason). gave me a hearty chuckle too, thanks for that.

>>717518518 (OP)
What's his name?

>>717518518 (OP)
yes and its not even close

>>717530521
Anon

>>717530607
Wow, he's literally me

>>717528779
Belief.

Or rather, belief in anything important to one's self. Its answered in the game.

>If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can. I’ve seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.

>>717518518 (OP)
Yes.

>>717530270
>>717530440
You're both wrong. Torment is awesome and Arcanum is awesome.

>>717518518 (OP)
He's compelling but not well written

>>717518518 (OP)
this guy is pretty cool but for me it's joel from the last of us

>>717520909
Neither, he was just an asshole who wanted to escape being an asshole, really tragic story.

>>717527382
>got cucked
>start drinking

They are a dime a dozen out there IRL

there's like 20 different ways to finish this game and I always thought that was dope, my favorite one is Coaxmetal

>>717530759
nah clunkslop is a perfect way to describe arcanum.

Anyone try Tides of Numenera?

>>717530759
Reminder that Kerghan found the highplane from Arcanum's world and mistook it for "The Void", that's how powerful he was, he crossed IP universe boundaries.
Chad Moore is the best game writer ever.

>>717526905
and get anal-raped by nintendo?