Thread 717524160

Responsible for being the progenitor of
>Movie-Games
>Microtransactions
>Lootboxes
>Games as a Service
>MOBA slop
>Digital Distribution
>Early Access slop


>But is still heralded as le epic based company

Why?

It's alright to be retarded and wrong, just don't go around telling everyone you are.

>>717524160 (OP)
>But is still heralded as le epic based company
>Why?
Dota 2

>>717524160 (OP)
don't forget
>censorship of games

>>717524160 (OP)
Lol Don't care they made dota 2

>>717525158
>NOOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN PORN GAMES

>>717524160 (OP)
Hello saar this is not your time to be on shift.
Who put you up to shilling on my shift?

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>717526120
obsessed whitoid

>>717524160 (OP)
I've said this countless times but have only been attacked by Gaben's personal shill army.
The only reason Steam still exists is because all other alternatives (like the Epic Shit Store) are even worse

>>717526174
>>717526662
>saaar please stop remembering the 10,000 shill threads I make this is very obsessive of you bloody bastard!
Did your mother bleach your skin to try to make you look like something better than street trash, rajeesh?

>>717526697
jesus fucking christ nigger, I'm literally pointing out an objective fact you fucking kike

>>717526662
good only exists in opposition of evil

Lets directly assume Valve is explicitly responsible for the exact implementation of all this cancer, and OP isn't a raging anti-shill desperately trying to tarnish their reputation to lower your standards.
Alright?
Now how are they still objectively the least shit major company around, and like the only thing you could point and bitch at them for is not blanket banning AI crap off their store and all the Source 2 SDK shit being Windows only.

>>717524160 (OP)
>Oh no, games have cutscenes, sometimes long ones!
>Oh no, they came up with possibly the fairest way to handle an alternative monetization scheme that EVERYONE ELSE took and fucked up!
>Oh no, they implemented a digital trading card system for items that don't even affect gameplay! (Except for a couple year span where they made two bad decisions, that they fixed.)
>Oh no, they made a cross between an MMO and a more conventional multiplayer game!
>Oh no, they made a genre of game you don't like!
>Oh no, they were the first to an obvious innovation in the industry, and they do everything in their power to be as good about it as they reasonably can, even implementing rules to stop other companies from totally fucking over their customers on Steam!
>Oh no, they gave indie developers the option to distribute their products early and crowdsource playtesting, making it easier for individuals and small teams to make games!

All of that stuff is either good, or a matter of your opinion. It's just the way that other, publicly traded businesses have taken the work that Valve laid down and corrupted it into the worst versions of themselves. Valve itself isn't responsible for what other companies do, and these things would have been discovered as monetization schemes and practices with or without them.

Valve at least try to remain neutral and give their customers options that don't fuck them over. If you don't care about CS2 skins, you don't have to open a single case. If you don't care about TF2 hats, you never needed to open a single crate. Valve has said repeatedly that if they were to shut down, the have plans in place to ensure as many games as possible remain playable.

>>717526662
>steam only still exists because it's competent and good and I hate it!
Nazis being retarded I guess

>>717526747
>SAAR STOP NOTICING MY PROPAGANDA THIS IS BASTARD BEHAVIOR
yeah no, rajeesh.
you have made thousands of these threads trying to twist and bitch and lie every way your shit brain could come up with.

>>717524160 (OP)
people just like them cuz sony nintendo microsoft are worse
valve started most of the bs tho
steam greenlight killed gaming lol

>>717526662
They’re not worse, you people choose to buy games on Steam. You people refuse to buy it on official platforms like EA, Ubisoft and more. This is a you problem not a publisher problem.

>>717524160 (OP)
>Movie-Games
complete lie
>Games as a Service
all of their games can work without valve's servers (like i dunno about dota underlords and dota 2 but their other games have dedicated servers)
Also to be honest their games require valve's master server, but pirated cs 1.6 packs have their own thirdparty master server, so that's also not an issue.
It doesn't matter in valve's case
>Early Access slop
they did capitalize on the existing market of indev games, but it existed before and they needed to have these games tagged properly.
>Digital Distribution
was gonna happen eventually.

>>717527636
>Oh no, they implemented a digital trading card system for items that don't even affect gameplay! (Except for a couple year span where they made two bad decisions, that they fixed.)
trading card system, are you about steam cards or are you comparing ingame items to cards from magic the gathering and similar card games?
If it's first then that guy was referring to tf2 lootboxes, if the second - are you retarded?
>Oh no, they made a cross between an MMO and a more conventional multiplayer game!
Niggawat? the gaas means the game is reliant on the publisher's central servers (and can be killed by disabling that server, not in valve's games case tho)

>>717524160 (OP)
>Movie-Games
FFVII and MGS popularized them and most of Valve games have little to no cutscenes
>Games as a Service
WOW was the pioneer of live service shit
>MOBA slop
LoL was already big by the time Dota 2 released

>>717530068
A funny hat or weapon skin in a video game is more or less equivalent to a digital trading card. these confer no benefit in the actual game, and are a premium meta game that you can take or leave. Whether this is antisocial and causing people to make bad decisions of their own volition is a separate conversation, and one I'd likely agree with you on.

And to the second point, that was exactly what I was trying to say. A game as a service isn't intrinsically a bad thing. TF2 and Counter Strike 2 are live services that are relatively dependent on central servers owned by Valve, but they've proven that they're willing to keep those functionalities alive and to enable workarounds. I imagine they'll figure something out if they ever do decide to turn off the TF2 item servers some day. I have no reason to believe they won't, given what they've done so far. If other publishers did what Valve does, there wouldn't be a problem at all. Therefore, it's not reasonable to blame Valve for the consequences other publishers have brought by implementing the strategy differently with less concern for the end user's experience.

>>717524160 (OP)
>Movie-Games
This nigga has never heard of adventure games.
>Microtransactions
This nigga has never heard of MMOs.
>Lootboxes
This nigga has never heard of gacha.
>Games as a Service
This nigga has never heard of MMOs.
>MOBA slop
This nigga has never heard of League of Legends.

I care about any of this, why? If all the things you listed were bad, then maybe they wouldn't be top sellers everywhere. I'm not gonna let you buy lootboxes, microtransactions, movie games and so on and then let you off the hook for destroying gaming.

>>717524160 (OP)
>Movie-Games
>Microtransactions
>Lootboxes
>Games as a Service
>MOBA slop
>Digital Distribution
>Early Access slop

All of this bullshit existed prior to Valve, they simply made them better and easily accessible. You can argue that they made things worse overall, but they're simply tapping into what makes the industry tick. They have to make money.

Valve is great because for them, service is #1. A very Japanese attitude when you think about it: they offer kick ass services that are so good that you can't help to be compelled by them.

In regard to moviegames, their claim to fame is actually that they improved on them. Games prior to Half Life used static cutscenes for storytelling, whereas in Half-life you never relinquish control of your character and things happen around you interactively.

tl;dr OP is a faggot

>>717524160 (OP)
Because they kept faith with PC gaming during the 7th gen dark ages when no other company of their size did.
And in doing so became the bedrock of the PC gaming scene.

>>717524160 (OP)
none of those are true, but seethe more snoydrone

>>717528962
the other platforms are objectively worse and you know it, faggot

>>717524160 (OP)
>Microtransactions
Isn't that the Japs?

>>717524389
Ah yeah we can add
>Fell for the ASSFAGGOT meme
To OP's list.

>>717526174
the anti-steam seething pajeet strikes again

>>717524160 (OP)
What's with the all anti-steam threads lately?

>>717538559
pajeets

>>717538559
They're trying to portray Valve as the source of the problem instead of one of the few major players actually capable of pushing back. It's the StoneToss crowd who've retroactively gotten mad at Alyx, Coach and the Demoman existing when they had no problem with any of those characters before.

>>717540026
(Many of whom are self hating brownoids themselves.)

>>717524160 (OP)
Don't care what u wrote there. Valve makes best games, simple as.

>>717542210
U forgot Portal and Half Life,

>>717535680
>>717534685
>adventure game
Have gameplay.
>All of this bullshit existed prior to Valve
This excuses it, how? They aped BadGame 1 and made BadGame 2. So it's yet another company that makes lame games? At worst, sometimes enablers of lame games. MM. Doesn't sound too special.
>one of the few major players actually capable of pushing back
what does this even mean?

>>717532719
Valve continues to do it because it’s a casino game that lawmakers in USA don’t understand the concept because of their lack of knowledge. It’s clearly an American problem within a American problem of addiction for gambling. All other countries treat it has profit margins because they have trading in USA currency that Valve allows.

Valve is not the good guys.

>>717524160 (OP)
the only thing on that list that you can argue as being valve's fault is moba slop
everything else just outs you as a sheltered retard who can't do basic research. there were games with lootboxes almost a full decade before valve started using them

>>717547507
MOBAs existed before DOTA 2. By definition. DOTA 1 was a Warcraft mod. LOL already existed, and ASSFAGGOTS was already a prominent term by the time DOTA 2 was out. Which is a term that characterized MOBAs as an iteration of a previous formula, simply "Going On Two Sides."

>>717544760
There's literally no practical advantage to playing the skin market in terms of gameplay. Valve does not set the prices of items, and takes the same cut of all market transactions. And they also do not force transactions to take place on their service. In fact, most transactions for virtual items take place on third-party services entirely. They literally do not have a walled garden, do not endorse these items as having intrinsic value, and they do not encourage the use of these items as stores of value. It's entirely different to how EA and 2K handle their lootboxes. They make it essentially mandatory to buy packs to compete in what is essentially the primary mode of their games, With the other modes becoming more and vestigial by the year.

Reminder that even before the Collective Shout bullshit Valve were notoriously inconsistent about what games they'd approve. Shit can't be blamed entire on payment processors.

>>717548051
Valve did help continue popularising the genre though. More damagingly they fucked up their own creativity with it.

>>717551149
They weren't inconsistent. They just refused to carry adult or sensitive games that explicitly stated the characters were underage. While that's technically legal on a federal level, there are a lot of US states that have laws on the books that contradict that. Most require that the characters be explicitly identified as 18 or older, some don't care and leave it open to make judgements base on appearance.
Federally speaking, those laws could be challenged, and in all likelihood, be struck down as unconstitutional, but Valve doesn't want to be involved with that process. It's not their fight. I believe Washington is one of those states that imposes the age rule, and all that content is under the authority of a Washington based entity. So they err on the side of caution. Sometimes too much.

>>717551530
Apparently there's been insistences where games had to be resubmitted for approval that got shot down when they previously had been approved. They're inconsistent.

Also there's something about mary.

It's not so much Valve is good, just that other companies do the same thing but worse. It's a "graded on a curve" thing in my mind.

because funny youtube man says gaben is one of the good billionaires that's why and they hecking saved the video games before i was even born or so i was told