Thread 717524861

Is this still the greatest controller of all time? Does anything else even come close?
Snoys GTFO

Never was

>>717525091
Wrong as usual. You should be used to it by now

From the first party controllers yes it is

Game....

Should I get the 8bitdo Pro 3 in Gamecube or Game Boy colors?

Authentic versions of these are expensive. Ebay and Amazon are flooded with fakes. And I actually think this is big problem because people buy a "new sealed" Xbox 360 controller, and it's super shit, and they think "this is just how old games were things are better now", but it's not true.

I almost fell into this trap. I got a "new" controller since my old one from college was demolished after countless Gears of Halo Duty hours, and I just couldn't play for shit. The sticks were awful. And I just wrote it off like "damn nostalgia goggles huh"...

Wasn't unil later I researched tells on fakes and got an authentic one and I played through singularity no problems.

It's worth nothing they have fixed "off center dots" and the Microsoft seal is VERY close now. So it's even more difficult now.

At this point I just wouldn't buy any under $80.

>>717524861 (OP)
Every PlayStation controller is better than this.

>>717524861 (OP)
It comes close, but the d-pad is shit. So its merely the best 3d controller of all time.

>>717525895
I've got one I had sitting in a protected cabinet but I am missing the cable.
Thinking about buying the special wifi dongle for it.

at a minimum, it defined all modern controllers moving forward

>>717527370
I'm really glad Sony adopted a similar form factor for PS4 and up. The Dualshock always felt so weird to me.

It's got good ergonomics but it's fucking shit tier if we're comparing it feature wise to controllers of its own generation.
>>717527283
I got shit news for you man, windows depreciated support for those in Win 11.

>>717527510
i think literally everybody picked one up, felt the way it sat in the hands, and immediately said "oh, this is the platonic ideal we've all been converging on"
there are other frameworks for how to do a controller, but this is the apotheosis of what the famicom started

>>717527669
Ironically ds4/Steam controller has the best ergo and current gen is a downgrade if we don't count the Steam deck

>>717524861 (OP)
only 4 face buttons, so no

>>717527850
are you literally just talking about the dpad placement?

>>717524861 (OP)
This thing could literally suck my dick and it'd still be disqualified by that travesty of a fucking dpad

>>717528009
No I'm talking about ergo
Honestly I think I could tolerate the retarded asymetrical layout if the dpad on the 360 controller was better.
Pic related is honestly the most comfortable controller I've ever used

>>717527629
I run Linux so I don't have that issue... As far as I know the current Linux kernel supports it still.

>>717528293
then i think your hands are some kinda fucked up, the ds4 is absolutely not more ergonomic than the standard modern controller

>>717524861 (OP)
Xbox Duke shits on this tiny hand slop for chinks.

>>717528423
Nah, new controllers suck.

Controller threads are just 4chan engagement farming at this point - do not reply

>>717530145
every thread is engagement farming, nobody starts a thread hoping it dies unseen

>>717530145
>YOU CAN'T DISCUSS CONTROLLERS ON A VIDEOGAME BOARD
Piss off cumdrawer

>>717530580
>totally organic controller thread (usually about 3) in the catalog at all times every day for months
you must be stupid

>>717531183
to oversimplify, video games are literally just inputs and outputs, and controllers are 100% of the input experience. why would there not constantly be discussion about them?

>>717531183
>People on the video game board talking about the things you play videogames which
>Some not even being something you can buy new right now
Literally Nintendork tier screaming that people were marketing the Deck when it was completely fucking out of stock retardation.

swapped my xbox controller for a DualSense 5 for PC
never going back
simple as

360 is the default PC controller but i never got used to XYAB nonsense and never will. I use playstation buttons instead

>>717531746
yeah, i map it to nintendo layout, it gets burned into your brain too deeply

>>717524861 (OP)
trash Dpad
bumpers get stuck/break
no stick drift auto calibration

>>717531746
>>717531940
It's crazy to me that people can think the assbackwards layout that Nintendo had for the Snes and DS makes sense.
Like now a little more, it's a little less retarded since they've gone to more "standard" controllers and used it.
But it's still a retarded arrangement.

>>717532197
it's completely arbitrary, there's no inherently correct pattern for the "a" "b" "x" and "y" buttons. you just get used to whatever you learned first

>>717531408
I literally do not know what any of that means. I have an 8bitdo btw

>>717524861 (OP)
>"d-pad" is a flimsy plastic disc floating on a four-way input pad that is less responsive than an NES controller
>"best"

The official Sega Saturn controller was already several tiers higher than that lump of easy-to-break chinsy trash

>>717524861 (OP)
Close. The original Deuce on the Xbox was the best

>>717532592
>>717524861 (OP)
the original DS has the best d-pad of all time

>>717524861 (OP)
It's one of the worst.
Too slippery, D-pad sucks donkey dick and is in the wrong place, and it popularized the gay "triggers" L2 / R2 design that now plagues every gamepad.

>>717532328
>There's no correct pattern for a b x y buttons
>Literally only Nintendo has the problem where it's specifically YX backwards stacked on top of BA backwards
>EVERYONE ELSE Always has ABXY in alphabetical order
>ABC XYZ on Genesis pads
>Even fucking CD on top of AB for some neo geos
Playstation can get away with it because Dorito, cheese single, burger patty, and french fries are totally arbitrary glyphs
Nintendo can't.
What, Next nintendo system having ZR on the left and ZL on the right because they're "totally arbitrary"?
Fuck you

>>717533015
nintendo is the only one with that layout because they patented it. the letters a, b, x, and y are themselves wholly arbitrary, as sony demonstrated. people ended up converging on them simply because the snes was a schelling point for assloads of video game shit, and if they hadn't put up legal barriers to using the same orientation of buttons they did, probably everyone would have done it that way
there is no meaning to the individual symbols, they're just signposts

>>717533251
>Everyone is actually clamouring to have the buttons in the wrong fucking order but le nintengods patenteded it
Fuck you I'm not even reading the rest of your post.
Fucking retard.

>>717525091
/thread

>>717533335
nobody is clamoring for anything. i repeat, it's just a schelling point

>PS4 Controller from 2020
>drifts
>still not natively supported in a lot of steam games
>Pro controller from 2019
>unplayable due to drift severity
>my xbox 360 controller I've been using since 2008
>literally still just werks on everything and doesn't have drift
old things were unironically just made to a higher quality.

>>717533443
>old things were unironically just made to a higher quality.

It's just Xinput bro

>>717524861 (OP)
They are fantastic until you need to use the dpad

d pad is kind of shitty

>>717533443
Yes, but that's more of an issue of chinks ripping off first party OEMs by givimg them defective shit.
>Dodged a bullet by getting an early production DS4
>Still Works fine
>Rubber gave out on my Steam controller before the stick did

dpad is shitty but it's still better than whatever gamecube had

>>717524861 (OP)
XBone controller improves on it in every way, including a god tier d-pad, but unfortunately they used a cross shaped pad which can dig into your thumb easily.
Series X went back to the circle shape pad while keeping the same metal pad connectors. It's peak comfy and the best d-pad I've ever used. Never even needed to do fixups on it either and I've owned one since it came out. Had to replace the shitass usb-c connector once already, and switch membranes 2-3 times, but the d-pad is indestructible.

>>717525091
It was god tier in 2005 when it came out, since the only other competitor was the USB Sega Saturn controller released in japan only, and the Playstation pad which required adaptors and was a fucking joke as always.

It's only major issue was the d-pad which was... it worked, but wasn't any precise. Series X fixed that in an overkill manner though, it now has the most solid d-pad ever made on a controller. Wish they'd just make the analog sticks and triggers hall effect based, and the membrane for the face buttons easier to switch out.

>>717532592
Sega Saturn is great if you specifically want to play games that only require a d-pad, I guess.

>>717527629
>I got shit news for you man, windows depreciated support for those in Win 11.

I somehow doubt that since they use XInput so you can just plug them in and they'll werk. That was the entire point of XInput, since before that you had every controller using a different layout (d-pad could be buttons, POV hat, share the analog stick, etc etc etc).

>>717533508
no, both my pro and DS4 controller (which are both 15+ years younger than my 360 pad) both score worse on drifting.
the pro also doesn't have analog triggers, my 360's still work fine, the vibration motor in it still works fine.
it's nearly 20 years old and it's still outperforming modern controllers.

>>717531746
>i never got used to XYAB nonsense

I guess the ABC is very hard for some people.

>>717533885
The CONTROLLERS use xinput.
The adapter has its own driver entirely unrelated to xinput.

>>717533015
what bothers me about Nintendo controllers, is I expect A in the bottom-most position that falls right under my thumb because of N64, GC and Wii, but they went straight back to the SNES scheme, for some reason.
I really wish they had just told everyone "fuck you, we're right", and standardised the GC layout with the bean buttons and everything. Miss that lil nigga.

>>717533979
>The adapter has its own driver entirely unrelated to xinput.

What fucking adapter? The X360 controllers released for PC use USB breakout cables.

If you have access to a 3d printer you can make any d-pad you like.

>>717534151
>I thought about biying the special wifi dongle for it
You biscuithead

>>717525895
i've been using fake 360 controllers for a decade. they're fine.

>>717526298
Let's not get too crazy here, only DS1 was the good one.

>>717531746
yeah it took me years to memorize it lol

>>717525345
You should get the shittiest color that you hate because I told you to. Retard.

>>717534263
> If you have access to a 3d printer you can make any d-pad you like.

And if you have a car, you can go anywhere you want.

Why does no controller (apart from the N64 C-pad) just have arrow buttons?
That's what I'd do if I was making a new console now. D-pad on one side. Round arrow buttons on the other. Colour code everything so people don't get confused by prompts. All you need.

>>717534263
>d-pad sits dead flat on a surface
These people imitate, but they do not understand what the problem really is. Can they ever really understand? Or even claim to?

>>717534814
this wouldn't change anything, people would just fight over the correct layout of the colors

>>717534263
>if you have access to the spraypaint section at Walmart you can have any color car you want

>>717534814
Because face buttons is already the existing paradigm and doing something else would just confuse people.

like how before xinput we had garbo controllers all using complete random patterns, like:
346
125
or
125
346
or
24
13
or
DA
CB
and it was always completely fucking dumb, it wasn't until the 360 pad and Xinput that ABXY became a standard.

>>717535103
They would literally be face buttons, only A would be labeled "down" instead.
Better yet, print an arrow and a letter on the thing.

>>717535248
It would just confuse people.

>>717534904
I thought taking a picture with the buttons out would make people understand how it works.
The whole thing doesn’t rock like a d-pad, only the buttons move and each one can only press one direction.

>>717535248
the signs have no value except that which we assign them, your paradigm is precisely the same as what exists now wearing a different hat

>>717535358
The way it looks in my mind is each controller has a triangle printed beneath the lettering. So when the prompt shows up on screen you see "A", and then a triangle pointing down, so it's the absolute clearest it can be.

>>717534771
Man I wish I wasn't a cripple, broke, and both my parents failed to teach me (or just sit in the car while I teach myself) to drive.

>>717535482
The difference is I don't accidentally press the B button every time I boot up my Switch after a short while and it asks me to press A.

>>717535449
Anon, you don't want that. The entire point is you want a central pivot. The central pivot is what makes it all come together. I can take a d-pad shaped like flat circle and if I have a central pivot get along just fine.

360, Original Xbox, 360 spinner, none of these have central pivots. If you push down in the center of the dpad, the whole thing sinks.

>>717535564
for your system to work the way you're thinking, everyone would need to converge on a single layout. that would also fix the issue you have with the current set of symbols. it's not the symbols that are the problem, it's the lack of standardization

>>717527629
I have a knock-off dongle since the original one died, works fine on w11 but I had to manually select the drivers in device manager to get it to work

>>717535705
No, because there would be an arrow. Down is never not going to be down, unless we're letting Willy Wonka run this show.

WHY ARE DPADS LOST TECHNOLOGY???

>>717534327
No the fuck they aren't. I bought one for 50 bucks and I couldn't even turn in a smooth circle in dark souls. It only had forward back left and right, it was a fucking dpad disguised as a stick.

Man I'm fucking done with controllers. There's 20 coming out every day now with shit I have never heard of. I'm checking this new controller out (because I liked the Mobapad M6 HD), the Huben 2, and it has these capacitive sticks. So I'm thinking "damn, so I can activate gyro on these like the deck?" but no, it turns out to be the successor to TMR. Some people don't even know there's more than just hall effect sticks. When will the analog stick autism end? What the fuck made chinese manufacturers so paranoid about how analog sticks work when first party controllers can't even offer anything but basic bitch analog sticks that just "feel fine"?
And why is everything clicky now? Why is a controller full of mouse switches? And why the fuck does a controller need a polling rate of 1000hz? What's with all these weird fucking macro sequence turbo bullshit going on? I'm too confused about this. I don't mind spending $100 on a good ass controller but the chinese, man,

>>717535992
Nintendo and Sega patented the good ones, and then sat on them and refused to use them, I guess.
Saying that, why doesn't Sega just make new controllers that work on other hardware?

>>717535992
They're honestly a little redundant if you have a good thumbstick.
Honestly it's only really become more relevant now since thumbstick quality has shat the bed and it should be harder to fuck up a dpad.

>>717536112
I'd say that but it's easier to tap on a d-pad for shmups than using a stick unless the deadzone on the stick is zero and it's stupidly precise.

>>717524861 (OP)
Perhaps the worst dpad ever

>>717535898
yes, i think what you would find is that willy wonka runs the show
you'd also run into a new issue of people getting confused over which set of buttons is supposed to be used as arrow keys and which are buttons
>it said press down and i pressed down on the d-pad, why isn't it working????

>>717535449
Redundant since you have it "floating" with the disc tbqh

>>717535992
gen 7 tier faggots that think sticks are good or mandatory

>>717524861 (OP)
can't be on build quality alone
bonus deduction for the dogshit dpad

>>717536330
That's why you either colour code, or have an additional letter etched on the button.
A down, B left, X right, Y up

>>717535659
Okay, I'll cad one up, print it and see how it feels.
I have a screenshot of your post to attach to any files I release if its good.

>>717536425
Only the buttons float, the hub that holds the buttons is interference fit to the joypad shell.

>>717536561
so what happens when a dev decides to do B down, A left, Y right, X up?

>>717533443
one of us must be in bizarro world, 3/4 xbox controllers I used had fucked sticks eventually (the other one just stopped working as a whole)

>>717524861 (OP)
only reason you could possibly think this is if you only play 3D games or even worse, play 2D games with a analog stick

>>717532592
>6 face button controllers never caught on
such a bummer man

>>717536662
Well, it wouldn't be the game dev. it'd be down to the manufacturer of the controller.
But if everyone adopted the arrows design, it wouldn't matter.
Nintendo would have "B down", and Xbox would have "A down", but it's still the "down" button, regardless. You only have to memorise that part.

>>717526298
>two sticks on the bottom
Nice arthritis

>>717536830
>Nice arthritis
how weak are your hands? dyel

>>717524861 (OP)
Triggers are too stiff and it hurts your index fingers during long play sessions

>>717536763
>game tells me to press B down
>my controller doesn't have a B down button
>i press the B right button
>how was i supposed to know?
my opinion remains that what you are asking for is standardization, and that the specific method doesn't really matter

>>717536595
If someone manages to get rid of that dead space between the pad shape/cross and the pcb board then the 360 pad can be modded into something good.

>>717536959
>he thinks lifting has anything to do with gainin arthritis from forcing you're hands into an unnatural position for hours on end
Go back to school.

>>717524861 (OP)
It feels good in the hand but the piece of shit battery compartment is what kills it. I have 3 of them and I had to swap to a chargeable battery pack because the charge sockets or the plastic button that holds them togheter in the regular ones always fucking break so easily, making the controller disconnect if you move it around slightly or if it vibrates. Sucks because the controller has a nice heft when you have the regular batteries in.

>>717537054
Because down is always down.

>>717537161
>forcing you're hands into an unnatural position
holy shit, you really are a pussy

>>717537295
A is always A

>>717524861 (OP)
Naw, GameCube controller is best. Only high-test claw users can understand so don't think about it too hard bud

>>717536091
>What the fuck made chinese manufacturers so paranoid about how analog sticks work
It's a combination of pouncing on a window of opportunity opened by the joycon drift class action lawsuit, and iterating with "new and improved" sticks and controllers so they can keep selling new products despite that.
>chink capacitive sticks
I've been wondering what the deal with these is. K-Silver's had them since the start of the year, but until now they've only been available in PXN P5 8K, the stick module has an extra pin so it doesn't fit other controllers' boards, and neither K-Silver or PXN elaborate on its functionality beyond antidrift.

>>717537336
You have no brains

>>717537115
Most of that was done while modelling the 1 button per direction stl files. I just remixed it all.
To try the other anons idea, Ill just shrink the grey bit so it moves, join the buttons to it and add a pivot to the bottom.

As it stands I can do more complex stuff with this d-pad than I can with my keyboard.

>>717537635
Now that looks good tbqh

>>717532328
snes did it first then xbox flipped them completely around just to be different

>>717537992
it's a whole mess actually. the letter layout matches the dreamcast layout, but the color layout is different from both. Dreamcast took the color layout and just turned it clockwise, Xbox flipped the colors but kept the same letter layout as the dreamcast.

>>717536669
dunno what to tell ya, mine has worked without issue for nearly 20 years and i've got it plugged in right now to play games

>>717538487
I ended up putting hall effect sticks in mine, the left stick didn't break as such it just mechanically lost its centre, I read that the replacement sticks were poor so put hall ones in instead.

>>717537992
>>717538285
Controller history

Nintendo

>NES
>SNES
>N64
>GameCube
>Wii U
>Switch (copies Xbox 360)

Sega
>Master System
>Genesis
>Saturn 3D
>Dreamcast

Sony
>NES
>SNES
>PS1
>PS1 DualShock
>PS2/PS3
>PS4
>PS5

Microsoft
>Master System
>Genesis
>Saturn 3D
>Dreamcast
>Xbox Duke
>Xbox S
>Xbox 360
>Xbox One

Dualshock was 80% the same as the SNES until they decided to implement the N64's analog stick concept.

The prototype version of the Dreamcast controller had the 6 buttons. so they took 2 buttons away at the last second

>>717524861 (OP)
The d-pad is atrocious.

If you're looking for something similar as a general use/emulation controller - the hori switch pro controller is basically the same EXCEPT the dpad on it is excellent.

>>717525345
8bitno

>>717525345
I like the Game Boy colors more, but I remember people complaining its d-pad texture was uncomfortable for long sessions on previous models.

>>717537495
A isn't always down though.

>>717525345
gc, never was a fan of the original brick gameboy color palette