Thread 717532668

why is dwarf fortress such a fucking joke these days?

ban steam charts threads

>>717532668 (OP)
I used to be really into DF in 2012
Aside from a paid version, what major features have they added since then?

>>717532668 (OP)
I bought it and tried to get into it. Im pretty autistic but I'm not quite autistic enough for Dwarf Fortress. I'm sure its fun once you get over the learning curve but man.

diggy diggy hole

>>717532668 (OP)
DF always filtered retards and zoomers, why are you surprised?

>>717532862
yeah this
there's so much fucking esoteric jank standing between you and fun in dwarf fortress it's basically unplayable

>>717532809
Magic items and magic healing for adventure mode
Lua modding

>>717532809
Trans dwarves. Not even joking. You can guess why /v/ stopped talking about game so quickly.

>>717532668 (OP)
muh rng "story" generator before ai chatbots
it was never a game

>>717532668 (OP)
for me, when it stopped being text-only the mysticism went away and all that was left was what looked like boring gameplay

and they didn't listen to me on the forums either, i told them to at least interpolate between world states so you get a little bit of smooth movement. but nope, things just teleport instantly between titles. i think that turned off a lot of people.
creator is still a millionaire now i think so good for him (or them, it's two brothers right?)

>>717532668 (OP)
because the steam version is fucking butchered, they still didn't give back the original controls and mechanics. Now people are split in playing 0.47.05 and prior and the steam verison. fucking troon dev ruined everything. toady got all the money he could squeeze out of steamcels and took this troon onboard to make it take all the deserved blame. niggers

>>717533802
i do remember reading that the game went a bit woke, but i don't know to what extent

>>717532668 (OP)
The steam release got me playing it again for the first time in years and I realized very quickly just how shit the game is compared to rimworld.

Also the publishers forbid being racist to elves or replacing your dwarfs skin colour

>>717532809
>>717533715
Shit. I misread as 2022
On top of those two
Some multithreading
World is no longer static after gen
You can send armies to fuck up shit(no direct control however, shit happens in the background)
Taverns temples libraries which can attract visitors to your fort, which in turn can join your fort or spy it and try to steal shit
Some more shit on adventure mode nobody cares

>>717533976
a millionaire who for decades has taken half the year off work due to 'seasonal allergies'

>>717534159
the gay/tranny creatures are not even an issue, any idiot can modify the .ini files with notepad+ to make every creature 100% super straight. the problem is they changed the fucking controls and some mechanics and there is no mod or fix to make it work like all the years you've played it as. who would do such a thing? I AM SEETHING

>>717533802
Litteraly not true

>>717534337
that is all already possible in 0.47.05 the steam version only offers 'graphics' ie a paid tileset and worse controls you can't fully change back FUCKING TROONS I GONNA MOD THEIR .INI FILES IRL IF THEY KEEP DOING THIS REEEEEEEEEE

WE FUCKING HAD DF THREADS ON /VG DAMNED!!!!!

>>717534413
You are in a DF schizo-hater thread, Sonny

>>717534407
>can modify the .ini files
you can't judge games on wokeness after modding them, they must be judge for what they are intended to be by its creator.

before I sperg out completely, Tarn Adams is a commie and he did crack atleast once, for real

>>717534603
Nigger. He asked for 2012
And /vg/ is a gay gachanigger board now, so fuck that

>>717534337
Also:
Ranged combat is actually functional now

>>717534721
true to some degree I admit. but sandbox and simulator type games where you can mod everything have a different standpoint imo. the devs have maybe a rough vision what the consider to be the standard or minimum, if you then realize it's flaws and can easily remove them I see no problem. The problem is the version after 0.47 has changed too much for the worse without being able to fix it

>>717534816
I am sperging in case you missed it. FUCK TARN ADAMS, FUCK HIS USELESS LEECH BROTHER WHO DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE ATALL AND MOSTLY FUCK THAT GAY ASS TROON WHO RUINED IT ALL PUTNAM, PUT A FAT DICK IN YOUR FACE FAGGOT AAAAAAAAARGH DAMNEEEEED IF THEY ALSO RUIN KENSHI 2 I GONNA BLOW UP STEAM SERVERSgadxn

>>717532668 (OP)
>>717532735

Wow I was about to but Dwarf forteress but I see now that it is in fact an uncool and unpopular game and I only play cool and popular games, because I want to be percieved as cool and popular

>>717532735
>ban thing i don't like
hello brit

>>717532668 (OP)
i like the idea of dwarf fortress but i just dont have the tism for it

>>717535080
your version of the running binaries may no longer be woke after you tweak things, but the game itself is certainly still woke.
it doesn't matter how easy it is to mod things out, even if there's were an option inside the in-game menus for turning off all gay things the devs still put development time into that stuff and want it in the game.

>>717535514
thats why I just watch DF lets plays

>>717532668 (OP)
I played rimworld for a little while but it seemed very simple. Am I missing something or is it just people playing weird rape quadruple amputee mods

Dwarf Fortress was never good, the entire appeal was RP stories online where people would heavily embelish their play experience

>>717535915
Nah, colonizing the fucked up biomes is pretty fun.

>>717535792
>weird rape quadruple amputee mods
Yes, go to work page and install all the mods

>>717535707
in the case of df it's just some tag and mechanic. You have full control over it. even if untouched, you could rp a faggot auschwitz fort and violently remove all gay dorfs. it's not realy comparable to slop games eith minimal modding. like that spiderman game where troons trooned out because of the mod that replaced all gay flags with american flags (as if there is a difference lmao)

tarn adams is a degenerate anyways, he's a commie and does hard drugs like meth

>>717536420
I don't want to do that. I like DF because it's a fun ant farm simulator where I can have fantasy midgets fight zombie carp with elaborate doomsday devices.

>>717532668 (OP)
It is old. It is janky. It is autistic. Plus recent updates and the steam release actually made it worse.
Dwarf Fortress was great as a proof of concept for that type of game but aside from sunken cost fallacy there is no reason not to play rimworld instead.

>>717532668 (OP)
Too hardcore for the average guy.

>>717533976
>>717534159
>>717534721
Avatarfagging is against the rules.

>>717532862
>>717533230
It's REALLY not that complicated.

>>717532668 (OP)
i have played on/off for 10 years or so and i don't think there's been anything substantial added to the game during that, which is a shame because it could be so much better instead of the unfinished mess it feels like

>>717532735
this

>>717536998
no its just a video game.
but its complicated enough i spent the majority of my 20 hours with the game fighting jank instead of digging a cool hole for my dwarf bros
designating temporary stockpiles, temporarily adding dwarves to a squad, designating a temporary meeting hall, that stuff is not fun
which is a shame because the game has so many cool ideas. forgotten beasts, strange moods, utilizing giant cave spiders in your trap hallways, adamantite pillars, flooding underground chambers to deposit loam for farming. but you don't do any of that. you kill cats out of line of sight of their owners to stop fps death. it's just cancer

>>717532668 (OP)
its pretty fucking shallow as a game
once you figure out the ui, every fort ends up the same
its more or less just an rp sandbox than anything

>>717532735
It makes you mad because asscreed and other wokeshit garbage titles are EXPOSED since the publishers can't hide the numbers.

>>717536964
>he didn't download the penny package

>>717532668 (OP)
DF is like for turboautsits. rimworld is for surface autism.

>>717532668 (OP)
That's what that faggot bitch gets who keeps trying to shill DF in Rimworld threads for years. Nobody gives a shit if your game isn't fun. Besides shouldn't you be happy about it? The casual normalfags won't ruin your game bro

>>717532735
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, STATS AND DATA MY KRYPTONITE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY CONTROLLED NARRATIVE AND ARTIFICIAL TRENDS HOW DARE YOU DISPELL THEM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The layoffs will continue until vidya improves.

>>717532668 (OP)
A good chunk of the game's appeal (amongst people who aren't very autistic) came from the jankiness which was fed by stories like Boatmurdered. It was more fun as a game where elephants and carp went on constant murder rampages and the dwarf emotion system was so simple they all acted like insane people. Flash forward almost two decades and that charm has been patched away and the current publishing company seems eager to get rid of what remains of its old "edge" (e.g. trying to stamp out anti-elf sentiment and making dwarves of age at 18 instead of 12).

>>717541146
>697 peak for concord

Toady has been consistently making the game worse since World Activation, he clearly has been prioritizing whatever he wants to do with DF rather than make it actually enjoyable to play.
Compare that to Rimworld where Tynan knows modders carry his ass, and he pumps out frameworks and official adaptations for modders to work with constantly.

>>717532735
fpbp

>>717541146
Spider Man 2 has shit player numbers because the game is a buggy mess that barely functions on PC.

>>717534721
Rimworld actually has tranny pawns while dwarf fortress has no such thing.
Chuds just hate Toady now

>>717532668 (OP)
Dwarf Fortress is 20 years old

>>717532668 (OP)
>these days

>>717532668 (OP)
1. Major updates that suck all the imagination and fun out of the room
2. Endgame gear is less about tempting fate and greed but trying to be a raid boss for meagre rewards
3. The new shit feels tacked on rather than fleshed out

It is a absolute shame, reminder that /dfg/ was the oldest General for a long time but its so shit that its dead in the water. Good job Toady you hack. Even so i agree with this anon >>717532735 Steamchart threads are fagshit

>>717541280
gwen when she sees me naked

>>717532668 (OP)
Because it never improved itself. It is the same game it was 15 years ago and many other games have done better. Also tranny pandering.

>>717532668 (OP)
DF is like watching an antfarm

>>717546907
Rimworld has actual trannies in the game thoughever.

>>717545176
No it doesnt

>>717532668 (OP)
became irrelevant with the addition of troon dwarves

>>717547173
There are pawn backstories that explicitly make them transgender, while dwarf fortress has no mention of sex changes.

because anyone who was interested in dwarf fortress had found a resource pack and started playing the free version any time in the last like 20 years, rather than waiting for steam, to pay for a free version of the game with less content.

DF just doesn't hold a candle to other games anymore. You have to make up your own fun and that's gay as shit for fags.

>>717547350
Lies

why are rimworld chuds so obsessed with DF?

>>717532668 (OP)
old picture rimworld had its new peak recently

>>717539147
its for autists who cum in their pants from geology, thats about it.

>>717541146
regardless of the opinions on these games this industry is an investment black hole

>>717532668 (OP)
>why is a niche autism game less popular than a copy made for a mass appeal?
You tell me.

>>717532735
fpbp

there are things df is better at and its not the levels. Its how it forces you to create your own goals instead of following everything exactly as the dev wanted you to like in rimworld.

also they should add better raids to df but imo priority should be world reactivity.

>>717541146
Why do you have to make such a whiny strawman? It's fucking retarded.

>>717550884
Toady priority should have been commandable off site battles, even more than the Meme and Magic update that everybody jerks off to.

At least the siege update will shake up things a bit with digging enemies and shit once it drops.

>>717541146
>still almost 5k players on AC Shadows
doing pretty well

>>717534603
47 doesn't have multithreading.

>>717551180
im sure it will still be cheesable, i havent seen them address cage traps for example

off site battles i dont see him do, enemy sites are pretty pathetic rn, excluding some special ones that actually have some architecture to them, seeing a faction stronghold as a 10x10 hole in the ground is pretty immersion breaking.
Rimworld also handles this half assedly imo.

>>717550884
>forces you to create your own goals
i do believe this is an intelligent way of playing anything (instead of being a lab rat pressing a button), although knowing the game its probably an unintentional consequence of its unfinishness

>>717551593
>i havent seen them address cage traps for example
I think there will be a number of changes to traps as be part of the update, since the entire point of it is so a simple thing like a line of cage traps doenst nullify 99% of the game threats.

>>717551181
Naoe barefoot mod released

>>717552171
that might be a monkeys paw because i do love my crundles and other wild animals. Although isnt there a trappers job for that already but only for small pests? i never use it.

rim has the healthiest player numbers ive ever seen

>>717552715
RIBAORLD

>>717552437
I think the trappers are only for animals considered vermins

>>717532668 (OP)
One is an autistic ant colony sim while the other is an actual game and incredibly normalfag friendly

>>717552894
yes but if he ever nerfs the cage traps he can delegate the job of capturing animals to them instead.

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For the unknowledgeable, the Steam version of DF REQUIRES a new gen every RAW change due to mods not being baked into the save anymore.

Graphics IDs(unlike normal RAWs) are baked into each save, and require a world regen to see changes.

How to remove gays from all creatures
Notepad++
open all creature RAWs
ctrl+H
[CASTE:MALE]

[CASTE:MALE]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:0:0:100]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:MALE:100:0:0]

Replace in all opened files


[CASTE:FEMALE]

[CASTE:FEMALE]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:MALE:0:0:100]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:100:0:0]


Replace in all opened files

How to remove black dwarves
>creature_standard txt
line 436 replace line with
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1]

How to remove bald dwarves
>entity_default txt
under [ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]
replace line 862 with

[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:100:NONE]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:NEATLY_COMBED]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:BRAIDED]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:DOUBLE_BRAIDS]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:PONY_TAILS]

>>717532668 (OP)
If quantity of players were synonymous with quality, Transport Fever 2 would be 100 times better than A-Train 9, when in reality it is 100 times worse.

>>717550074
Truth

>>717553245
This thread was made by a rimworld schizo who has been known to make new anti-df threads just to be btfo over and over again.
Saying the same easily refutable falsehoods every time.
Don't bother.

>>717553245
maybe japan should realize that its time to let floppy disks go

>>717541146
>>717552715
This shit makes me depressed.
Like I know a bunch of these are actual flawed flops but a bunch of them are also just normal games.
People are just not playing regular games anymore, it's all about everyone flocking to a few "gameplay loop" oriented games.

>>717532809
a tutorial

>>717532668 (OP)
A lot of the popularity of it was driven by its obscurity status, once it became more accesible people saw just it as another roguelike.

>>717553942
You're stupid
Of course concurrent players is always going to be in favor of the games that have a lot of playtime in them

>>717536804
I'll play Rimword when it adds Z levels. Just 3. One under, and one above. It doesn't need 3000 z levels like DF.

>>717552715
>it's even higher than the op pic
dwarfsisters...

>>717554119
People playing the same gameplay loop oriented games for hundreds/thousands of hours instead of just playing more regular games is the issue tho

The only game I have several hundreds of hours in is dota2 and I regret wasting so much time on it as I barely made any memories beyond the first couple dozen hours. I learned my lesson but I know 90% of people will live their lives wasting 90% of their playtime playing the same few shit instead of trying out other games

>>717550084
Because Rimworld is a shameless ripoff of dwarf fortress with far less depth

>>717532735
>>717537741
>>717544446
>>717550646
Stupid butt hurt samefag!

>>717553128
>How to remove bald dwarves
kek

Most people don't play DF on steam.

>>717532668 (OP)
Retards literally can't visualize things in three dimensions so Dorf Fort is too hard.

>>717532668 (OP)
DF is welcoming to new players in much the same way as a crowbar is welcoming to a kneecap.
Even as somebody who loves the game, I can admit that it mostly plays like ass.

>>717554517
i just finished planet crafter. Its a game you can complete, despite what you may think. Narrative based games have endlessly disappointed me in the recent past, in my opinion we are living in the dark ages of writing even tho in games it werent that good to begin with, but at least it was interesting.

>>717555214
yes they do, and this is a much higher number than this game deserves given its update history

I've got a question for all anons who love the "story generator" aspect of dwarf fortress and rimworld. How do you play these games and how much do you need to make up in your head?
I've played rimworld and I while I enjoy reading or watching videos about df, I really don't see it as much more than just code. Like, your dwarf might make a masterpiece and its description relies on what the dwarf saw, but it's not a "real thing" it's just some interchangeable words.
Like, I don't see a person going mad from grief because their beloved wife died, I see a pawn that had its happiness stat drop below a certain level.
I hope this makes sense.

Rimworld and Dorf Fort may as well be different genres despite having extremely similar gameplay. In Rimworld, losses are catastrophic and can be run ending, in Dorf Fort, you laugh at a bar brawl turning into an all out race war that burns down the entire fortress and leaves a bunch of orphans to die slow deaths.
Both are great games, with very different objectives. One is a "game" game, with clear win objectives, while Dort Fort is a "story" game where losing is as important as winning, and sometimes losing is MORE fun than winning if it's a really good loss like some guy vomiting somehow resulting in 20 deaths by the end of the drama.
God I love both so much.

>>717556431
>I hope this makes sense
It definitely requires a bit of roleplaying, because yeah, in the end it's all game mechanics.

>>717556431
I dont make up anything in my head. But sometimes i need to do something unproductive for the fun of it like torture a vampire to insanity by trapping him next to a terrifying enemy because i got sick of him, and ofcourse post the end result somewhere, otherwise its barely worth the effort.
Purpose beyond learning everything there is to know, which is its own fun, is generally something from the list https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Megaproject
there are many experiments you do aswell, like learning if the game actually has genetic inheritance of traits or not. Then there is also modding the game like changing a file on crundles so that their children could be born already trained and then breeding shit ton of them for the arena or whatever, i just think they are hilarious.

>>717554517
Why's it an issue?
People prefer to play fewer good games instead of lots of shit games

>>717556431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDCzRvBq1k
with the right attitude this game is great, despite..
install dfhack btw.

>>717556512
The thing is it's very hard to track things in DF. If you have a brawl in a tavern that eventually goes super violent then there is basically nothing you can do. You have 30 dwarves stacked in a single tile, they're all randomly generating attacks. Some drop dead, some start running away. The chaos spreads but you have very little control over things and at the end of the day you don't even have a clue on what started it because there are a million text logs of events to skim through.

I used to like DF but today I prefer RW.

Rimworld has better numbers because it actually has a goal while in DF you are supposed to "make your own fun" which basically means you just stare at the screen for 100s of hours like a retard

I got deep into DF and I realized you can't actually build any genuinely interesting contraptions. Even the copypasta about the blood cannon is fake. Blood isn't a real liquid. It's a solved game with little content once you get past a certain knowledge point. Plus you need all sorts of fucking shit like Dwarf Therapist just to be reasonable.

>>717532668 (OP)
>game copies other game and makes it more friendly for retards and normalfags
>sells 1000x more copies

a tale old as microwave time

>>717532668 (OP)
Why CLI game on steam?

>>717532668 (OP)
Because it's just Rimworld with no visuals and boring details?