>Get invaded by some literally who npc fuck you've never met before out of the blue while exploring.
>defend yourself and defeat the invader
>lmao, you locked yourself out of content dipshit :^)

What did Miyazaki mean by this?
Genuinely, how the fuck are you supposed to play these games without a wiki page constantly open in another screen just to check that you aren't fucking yourself over by not being aware of the obtuse details of this fucking game.
I'm mildly beefed.

>>717541372 (OP)
Elaborate for someone who doesn't have ER.

>>717541372 (OP)
Why don't you have a wiki open on your second monitor?
We're in 2025, not 1995. Nobody goes in blind anymore. That's boomer shit. Get with the times.

>>717541559
Little more to elaborate on, I was exploring, that fat fuck invaded me when I killed some random bug, which I've killed hundreds of by this point. The fat fuck started throwing pots filled with god damn canceraids at me and I had to kill him to stop, and once the fight was over I decided to google who the fuck he was and realized that by killing him in self defence, I now lost access to a bunch of recipes and tools I could have accessed trough him because apparenly he's some sort of merchant.

I didn't know he could invade you.
I remember the rune breaking and it advanced every questline.

>>717541710
Because I don't want a fucking walktrough, or a guide to direct me, I want to authenticaly explore the game by myself.

>>717541846
oh damn you missed out on using the crafting system that you never need to fucking use

>>717541952
I constantly use crafting shit. Pots are among the most powerful tools you have in the game.

>>717541950
then dont get upset when you miss shit. you cant call it "exploration" if you are guaranteed to find everything.

>>717541372 (OP)
Skill issue

>>717541846
He talks to you about how he's friends with them when you first meet him. how they're not all bad. The ones you attacked weren't aggro either, they're just sitting there gathering like he does, aggro ones never do that. Your own fault

>Be retard
>Don't explore the literal starting area because you're a retard
>Kill non hostile NPCs on sight because retard
>Get invaded by NPC who only invades if you kill the aforementioned non hostile NPCs despite having zero reason to
>Have to kill said NPC, still get his stuff but miss out on some minor optional dialogue and a key item for a worthless summon
>Cry about it on /v/
It's tough being a retard like OP, I guess

>>717542052
Like I said, I had never even met him before. I have no clue where I would have supposedly meant to meet him.

>>717541846
>attacking friendly insects
You deserve what you got, honestly.
You idiots who pirate the game don't get to see messages written by other players that not only help guide you, but also inform you about NPCs you're not really supposed to attack.
Paychads win again.

>>717541846
>I killed an npc bug and pissed off morne
100% on you

>>717542110
>not killing the filthy fucking pests on sight.
Sorry but Caelid taught me to exterminate those fucking turks wherever I see them.

>>717541846
oh noesss you missed out on giant pots you beat harder bosses in the base game without. aieeeeee.
just letting you know, you made the fight before the final boss a lot easier because he's a bit of a faggot during it

>>717542227
>turks
Well they're not based on roaches so you're wrong there

>>717541372 (OP)
>lmao, you locked yourself out of content dipshit :^)
so what? I don't understand understand this need of 100% every game some players have. It's not a spreadsheet, you miss some stuff, you get locked out of some stuff, it's okay. Do you enjoy playing the game?

>>717542227
It's 2025 and you still don't try to lock on to stuff to see if it's hostile, get with the times.

>>717542147
>insects
>friendly
No.
Fuck pests.

>>717542350
I do enjoy playing the game, I am just mildly beefed over self defence situation leading to unintionally locking myself out of content.

>>717542279
He missed out on the dragon priestess content too.

>>717542352
Tbh I generally just kill all non humans like misbecotten, the fucking fish face freaks and pests just if I see them, I don't check if they are hostile or not because the game has taught me to despise all of those freaks.

>>717542550
Yeah but most people missed that stuff. She disappears after beating Bayle anyway.

>>717542467
>content

>>717542467
>self defense situation
He was digging through trash on the ground not even looking at you. Wait until you encounter the red pests. Their thread attack takes you out with even 60 vigor.

>>717542467
Putting your murderhobo retardation aside for a second, even if you didn't kill the scavenger brood NPCs and Moore you'd still be locked out of some items related to the key one you missed, because there's a mutually exclusive choice for the Dragon Communion Priestess where you either get a hammer or her summon.
Similarly, Hornsent also has a mutually exclusive choice between a talisman and an ash of war so you have to replay through the DLC at least one more time to get the other mutually exclusive quest rewards you're going to inevitably miss.
In short, even if you did go full retard you didn't actually fuck up anything major so stop bitching.

>>717542596
You get her spirit ash among something else.
Would be funny to get her spirit ash and then take it into battle with placidusax at faram azula.
Maybe something happens.

>>717542651
I was referring to defending myself against that fat fuck, not my pest control actions.

>>717541846
You couldn't lock onto those pests, you knew what you were fucking doing.

>>717542140
He's sitting at a grace by the first legacy dungeon.

>>717542553
Did you exterminate Jarburg, kill Alexander, Iji, and Boc?

>>717542730
This game teaches you to be a murderhobo tho. Basically fucking everyone and everything is hostile to you, especially if they are nonhumans.

>>717541372 (OP)
>I HAVE TO... LE CONSUME... LE CONTENT
It's a game designed for the replay and so are most souls games, it is what it is...

>>717542902
There's a non-hostile demihuman ten feet from Melina's grace in Limgrave.

>>717542881
I've never been to Jarburg, no clue what that place even is, Alexander, Iji and Boc were spared because they initiated dialogue and made it clear that they were not hostile. Some random sleeping pest on the ground could wake up any moment and start flinging his flies on me and try to stab me.

>>717542902
>This game teaches you to be a murderhobo tho.
...no anon, it really doesn't.
The game goes through several extra steps to teach you NOT to kill everything on sight with people like Boc, Alexander, Iji, Albus etc.
Now go to Rennala and fix yourself.

>>717541372 (OP)
Its playerbase enjoys reading the wiki and having to research all the secrets. That is part of the appeal for them. That, and it encourages ng+ runs

>>717542881
After what I know about the jars now, the bodies within deserve to be put out of their misery.
Fuck the hornsent.
There are suffering living humans inside of Alexander melded into a gloop.

>>717542732
I forgot how you even did it. Didn't you have to
>meet the priestess
>go to Thiollier but only before you do his St Trina stuff
>go to Moore to get syrup
>go back to Thiollier to make the concoction
>beat Bayle
>talk to her at night and drug her
>later on confess that you drugged her

The crab guy quest is worse.
>Okay so you have to go to this area.
>Yeah.
>Then go back to a starting area.
>After I'm done?
>No like, to an arbitrary point in the quest the new area gives you. Also you need to make all the right decisions with these npcs. Also there's a third quest involved. Nothing but foreknowledge of what happens hints towards what you have to do.

>>717541372 (OP)
>>717543098
>>717543094

>>717543040
Not that Anon but you're wrong, when 95% of the shit you see attacks you without warning you start getting used to killing shit without warning right back. They should have made the friendly bugs have like, a scarf or some other visual cue that "hey this one's different."

Oh and BTW, you have to kill SEVERAL of the foragers before he decides to invade you, if you just kill one, he jusy bemoans their death, which is how you can figure out they're his kin in advance.

>>717543067
>living
Alexander and all of the other jars created under the Golden Order are for corpses only.

>>717543098
isn't it just talk to rya>get necklace>return necklace and buy prawn>he'll just show up when you get to the capital outskirts

When Miquella's rune broke because I stepped too close to the keep, I just thought of this.

>>717543098
>>717543157
Neither of you have played the game

>>717542350
If you play a game for several hundred hours, but you do some minor thing which completely locks you out of content completely, it's just absolute shit anon, especially for autists like me. That's why I've always played these Souls games with a guide for permanently missable things because some of the stuff in them is ridiculous.

>>717543157
kek it really do be like this doe

>>717543225
Where is it ever stated that the lands between jars are any different?

>>717543240
He's never played the game and assumes that the weird order of events you need to do for prawn guy to not get killed by dung eater is the intended progression.

>>717541372 (OP)
You're supposed to play through it multiple times. You're not meant to see everything in a single playthrough. I know this is beyond the comprehension of zoomoers tho who just need to consoooooooooooooooooooooom.

>>717543369
They're full of corpse wax to feed the minor erdtrees. Dead bodies are piled in and decompose into this wax. After you beat Radahn, Alexander outright tells you he's putting corpses from the dunes of Aeonia into his pot to become stronger.

>>717541846
Its always the "I kill everything" people that end up in these situations. SOmeone like you would have never discovered the friendly Bloodborne Crow in Hemwick

>>717543215
Wrong, I am almost certain it was the first time I killed a pest in the shadowlands, and I instantly got invaded by that fat fuck.
My reaction to seeing that freak behind the church where that fire knight invades you was more or less "oh fuck, there are those fucking things here as well" and I went to kill it.

>>717543313
>several hundred hours
how? why? are you alright? Just do the first playthrough blind and use the guide for the stuff you missed in NG+.
Although, thank you, anon, from the deepest parts of my heart I am grateful to you for reminding me that I am not as far gone yet. Fuck you are a complete waste of space.

>>717543375
>>717543284
I've played the game fully through three times and Shadow once, if you miss Rya and get to Volcano manor it fucks the entire quest progression. Despite her being a fucking Volcano manor npc. You'd think the quest would just... let you continue but no, it's arbitrarily done now.

>>717543590
You're wrong. I know because I also killed one, then the jar guy got all sad about it, and I knew not to kill more. They also give you shit if you just talk to them.

>>717543468
I'd rather believe that they are all and have always been these abominations, the DLC just shed more light on the entire process. Why should I believe the golden order jars were created more humanely? Stop sweeping for the fingers.

>>717543532
If the game didn't want me to have an instinctual desire to kill freaks like the pests, the misbegotten etc on sight, it should not have spent 100+ hours teaching me that those fuckers are a blight that will mob you, stab you, attack you on sight and in general be a pain in the fucking ass that can, even if supposedly "non hostile" wake up and attack you from behind once you are have walked past them.

>>717543035
Boo, are you that scared by a single little pest? Completly out of its habitat, i may add? Something that never happens in the game?

>>717543725
No, I am pretty sure I am correct because I don't recall seeing any of those pests before the one behind the church in the shadowlands. I never even spoke to the fat fuck before, like I said, it was the first time I encountered him when he invaded me.

>>717543640
You sound more autistic than me. Play through blind and then use a guide? Na, I'll just use a guide at the start for any permanent missables.

>>717543202
I guess by that logic you exterminated all the towns in Elder Scrolls and Fallout since the friendly NPCs are in the minority in the game.

>>717543907
Just kill yourself, my guy

>>717543830
I'm not afraid of them. I hate them.

>>717543747
>Why should I believe the golden order jars were created more humanely?
Gee, maybe because Marika's tribe getting turned into those things is literally why she decided to wipe out their civilization? Did you even play the DLC?

You're actually supposed to rely on messages left by other players and never research anything on the internet.
Nobody does though, because that would be hard.

>>717543871
I am certain you're wrong from personal experience. You can also just look it up on the wiki.

>>717544087
Marika is in charge of the golden order why the fuck would she allow any form of jar creation/worship in the first place?

>>717544102
i get being annoyed by overdone meme messages like fort night, but the amount of people I've noticed that play offline just so they won't see messages baffles me

>WAHHH I AUTISTICALLY KILLED BUGS THAT WERENT ATTACKING ME AND NOW I HAVE BEEN PUNISHED FOR IT WAHHHHHHHHHHHH
good

>>717544003
No? Also, if you're only interested in certain builds, there's no reason to even replay it again. Plus with the way these games are set up, especially with multiplayer and the retarded level and weapon matchmaking restrictions (why can't these fuckers just scale you down?), you're punished massively if you upgrade because you can't do things like help random noobs for example.

>>717543752
This.
Anons expect you to telepathically read the mind of the developers, to know what they intended. It's unreasonable.

>>717544164
I guess another pest could have died in a fight or someshit that I just missed because I genuinely do not recall killing any of these supposedly "non hostile" pests anywhere else before. My build has a lot of attacks that do tons of AOE damage so if there was some sleeping pest in some corner of some place where I was fighting against the half a dozen other kill on sight enemies the dlc is full of, then I guess I might have killed one before the one I encountered behind the church.

>>717543752
>instinctual desire
When I saw the bug creature keeled over in the fetal position, it signaled to me that it was not a threat. I observed before I acted.

>>717544306
retard>>717544102

>>717541372 (OP)
anon, it's okay for your actions to have unforseen consequences. it's okay that you might not see 100% of the content that the developer put into the game. it's okay to have an experience that is your own.

>>717542618
>Huh, you can't call it "content" it's called... umm.... Well you can't call it content!

>>717543008
>Just replay a 200 hour game, bro.

>>717544191
It was a total inversion of the hornsent ideology. They tormented the living in order to cultivate their own divinity, she had the dead brought together to foster the growth of symbols of their collective spiritual purity.

>>717544197
Like half of the messages are memes and the other half are lies. The game has taught me to just generally ignore them at all. There have been maybe one or two times a message has been useful. I never make messages myself because I find the entire system dumb.

>>717544217
>>717542147
>>717543830
Insect hands typed these

>>717544305
Just do it, you know you want it, I know you want it, no one will care, no one will cry. End it.

>>717543157
You missed the part where you have to backtrack to an area you've already explored to find their second location, then for the next part to unlock you have to summon them for a boss (they need to survive to the end for it to count)

>>717544316
That's how they lie when they are dormant and the moment they see you they coil open and attack you. I learned this from experience in the fucking mine pit I got teleported to when I was way underleveled to fight in Caelid.

>>717544419
Na.

>>717544398
It does get tiring after reading "finger but hole" behind just about every single environmental corpse. We didn't have to put up with this in the demons souls days. What changed in the community?

>>717544390
>Just replay a 200 hour game, bro.
gladly

>>717544390
It's not about how you call it, it's about the fact that treat the game in terms of "content" and "completion percentage".
It's gay as fuck, niggerish even.

>>717544480
>then for the next part to unlock you have to summon them for a boss (they need to survive to the end for it to count)
Dark souls 2 was putrid cancerAIDS

This fight was awesome as fuck unless you killed him before getting all the cool armor sets from the contracts, then I pity you

>>717544398
more than a couple of times messages warned me of traps and ambushes, the chaos door ones I saw were all genuine good hints and i'm able to enjoy the funny ones and like making them myself so long as they aren't overused. it's one of the most endearing parts about souls games imo.

reminds me of when i was exploring some underground area and missed the bonfire where melina warned you about not fucking opening the door and i just went along with an online message telling me to take off my armor at a door
of course i just laughed at myself rather than sperging out about my own lapse of judgment

>>717544514
>paranoid as well as impulsive
Just play more carefully. Have you never played a souls game before?

>>717544626
>Have you never played a souls game before?
I haven't. This is the first souls game I've touched.
Was always more of an Armored Core fan.

>>717544536
>"finger but hole"
Picrel. It's autistic retards who don't understand social interaction or nuance beating something into the ground because they calculate in their mind that posting that is a safe way of demonstrating their membership in the group whilst eliciting approval and consequent gain of intangible and unquantifiable social credits.

>>717542352
To be fair the lock-on system in souls games is total trash.

>>717544062
Then why are you upset that you killed one as well as an insect sympathizer? Seems incoherent.

>>717544863
Because I want my fucking cookbook recipies god dammit.

>>717544390
>>Just replay a 200 hour game, bro.
What's the problem with that? It's bang for your buck.

>>717544696
That makes sense then. There are several instances in souls game where you can fuck up a questline easily. Its okay to miss stuff though. They design it that way. Its what makes your first playthrough special. People who use wikis on their first run are robbing themselves of the true experience.

>>717541372 (OP)
I play blind. Then I look up guides next playthrough to see what I missed.
Just play the game again. No big deal.

>>717544923
Cookbooks made by filthy bugs? Very incoherent.

>>717544376
That post is so retarded, it didn't warrant a reply. People have been making that argument since Demon's Souls, and it never made fucking sense.

1, There's always the first group of people who encounter a situation before messages are made. Early to discover, means you don't have anyone to help you figure out what's going on. You're playing blind, have to feel your own way in the dark. So those people are just fucked if they happen to make the wrong move.

2. The right messages sometimes don't appear, because it's based on the randomness of the network. Whatever messages the network makes appear, is what you get. They might not be helpful ones. Hell, you might not get any messages at all if you're unlucky, and the network doesn't load any.

3. Messages can of course lie. They can tell you an enemy is a friend, or a friend is an enemy. The rating system is shit in these games. Since the player can only see how many ratings a message got. They can't see whether the ratings were good or bad.

4. Even owning the game legally, you might just play the game offline. Which should be a completely valid way to play. You shouldn't have to rely on messages to discover things in the game.

5. There are some quests in the game where messages are no help or too vague. Like sometimes there's a random location where an NPC spawns. And some messages will surround the spawn point. Except you haven't advanced the NPC that far yet, so you don't see them there. You just see the gathering of messages. Then, 30 hours later, you finally advance the NPC. Except 30 hours later, you forget about that previously discovered spawn location, and never think to check back there again.

>>717545026
I don't really plan on replaying the game, it has already consumed almost 120 hours of my life over the past few weeks since I started playing it and I have not even gotten trough the base game or the dlc.

>>717545135
>it has already consumed almost 120 hours of my life

>>717545116
These games aren't designed for you to see and experience everything. Just because you are a wikifag doesn't mean everyone else is too

>>717544556
You're assuming way too much. Calling it content doesn't necessarily frame it as a completion thing. Seeing as how he doesn't even know who the NPC is, somehow the OP routed his playthrough in a strange way. He didn't follow the expected path. And for this reason, he missed out on the introduction to the character, and experiencing that character's part in the story.
So really, the gripe is about missing out on an experience. Which also doubles as missing out on something as nice as a new shop with new tools and materials. Which is also an experience by itself. It's entirely reasonable to be upset that you missed out on something potentially cool, because the game doesn't communicate very well. And/Or, because you dared to explore off the beaten path in an open world game, which led to random events occurring without context.

>>717543532
>SOmeone like *YOU* would never have discovered [irrelevant easter egg and possible coding glitch]
??
Fromsoft quest design sucks balls, I say this as a skittish fag who avoids killing anything that doesn't immediately glomp me. Pests have been enemies in every other part of the game.

>>717545116
>1,
players are not entitled to be able to do everything perfectly their first time. everything has a learning curve. how is this a problem?
>2.
you can hope that enough players left a message that you will be guided in the right direction. if enough players leave the right message in the right spot, you are more likely to be given the right guided message. it is about collective action.
>3.
you can also look for bloodstains as hints as well, it isn't all messages. plus, it is good design to allow players to fuck around with other players. that is freedom to play how you like.
>4.
you might not like the design, but having players use other players signposts to guide your play is the design. it is all about JOLLY COOPERATION. they hammer this point home so many times. it isn't the devs fault that you are an antisocial fuck who wants to play in complete isolation. and it IS still entirely possible to play the games offline, so this is also retarded in that respect.
>5.
npc side quests are nonessential to completing the game, the games favour repeat playthroughs, it isn't the devs fault that you are a retard who forgets everything the minute something new is dangled in front of your fat face.

>>717544541
>>717544941
It's an unreasonable expectation just to see a different outcome in 1 or 2 quests. I have over a thousand hours in this game, and it drags on way too long.
Remember in Dark Souls, when people talked about the fall off after Anor Londo? Well Dark Souls was like a 30-50 hours game. Elden Ring is like 4 Dark Souls stitched together in scale. If it took you about 10-15 hours to reply up to Anor Londo, it takes about 40-60 hours to replay up to Leyndell in Elden Ring.

>>717543018
He has a dialogue cue.

>>717545521
You talk too much

>>717545521
I got to the scadu altus trough Fort Ensis and haven't really explored much of the rest of the map of the dlc yet. The only friendly npcs I've met are the needle knight and the hornsent. I have no clue where I would have supposedly ought to have met Moore until his invasion.

>Were you trying to flee from me on your horse? That's a violation, pal.

>>717542147
>not buying the game but being schizo about anti cheat so playing offline anyway
couldn't be me

>>717545927
>it drags on way too long
I've never felt that way because I enjoy the journey. Obviously its not just for one moment either that would be fucking retarded. You make a new character and go about the entire playthrough in a new way. There are a myriad of choices to make as you go.
>Remember in Dark Souls, when people talked about the fall off after Anor Londo?
I've never agreed with that sentiment, and its only been regurgitated over and over in the last few years.

>>717545927
while i agree with you that the game is too large to be replayed in the same way that previous entries were, i will also say that once that you fly through these games a lot quicker once you have played them once. 10-15 hours to anor londo in DS on first playthrough means 5-10 on a second playthrough and under 5 in a third. the older games are great for that, being able to reduce the time it takes you to play through everything on repeat playthroughs while also using new builds/approaches. elden ring requires a guide to be able to do that. "where did i pick up that sword/spell again?" "which random ass dungeon had the right talisman for this build?" everything is too spread out and you get too little of import in each dungeon, forcing you to go through multiple retarded side dungeons to get what you need.

>>717545116
>The rating system is shit in these games.
Do you think not being able to see the dislike bar was by accident? Do you believe they didn't think of adding that feature? It's obviously designed that way to encourage you to never let down your guard.

>>717543993
Those games actually label hostile foes and friendly npcs in a very clear way. The non hostile and hostile creatures in Elden ring are genuinelly both physically identical. Plus like others have said, they often also just "feign" non hostile status by for example being asleep and attackin the player if they wake up as you pas them.

The way you interact with the enemies in the game genuinely teaches you to just take the shoot first, ask questsions later approach.

>>717546330
I do every dungeon on every playthrough regardless of build.

>>717541846
>killing bug bros
Perish

>>717546452
you are wasting your life.

>>717546242
>I've never agreed with that sentiment
Even a little? Do you seriously think that placing 9 dragon butts in a row was top-tier encounter design?

>>717546474
>bros
Wait til you get to the red ones

>>717546474
Kill all bugs

>>717546452
>doing Elden Ring dungeons
you poor soul, I wish I could give you a hug

>>717546505
No, I just actually enjoy video games. Unlike most /v/ermin >>717546598
>>717546517
Lost Izalith isn't half the game

>>717546474
What the hell are people even smoking when they claim that pests are bros? Is there some hidden friendly pest village in the dlc or someshit? Those fucking cunts do nothing but attack and swarm you on sight troughout the game.

>>717546628
>I just actually enjoy copy pasted shit

>>717546584
Mothra and scorpion king did nothing wrong

>>717546754
>>717546812
OhhhHHHH FUCK IT'S COMING RIGHT AT US!

>>717546628
>Lost Izalith isn't half the game
Answer the goddamn question, scrub

>>717546628
you don't enjoy "videogames". you enjoy elden ring. if you enjoyed "videogames" you would stop wasting all of your time replaying the same dungeon ad infinitum and try something new.

>>717546754
That sounds like slander.
That's a violation, pal.

>>717545817
You said, "You're actually supposed to rely on messages left by other players and never research anything on the internet."
But now you're saying that it's ok that I can't rely on messages, because I'm not entitled to. And I should just "hope" for good message RNG. So you're saying it comes down to fucking LUCK. That's bullshit. Whether or not I make a discover comes to the luck of the draw?

>they hammer this point home so many times.
They really don't. Especially in Elden Ring. They don't give you any in-world explanation for these multiplayer systems. No narrative context. These online systems are just obligatory now.
And in practice, they don't always trust the system to work. They put in developer messages in places where they want to ensure the player doesn't miss out on something. For example, if you go to near Sellia, you might find a message from Gowry, pointing you toward his shack, so you don't miss him. His message shines with a pillar of light that sticks out out from the ground, so you can't miss it unless you're blind. They really wanted the player to find that message.

But then retardedly, while Neri is doing his bloody finger hunt quest, his sign doesn't glow. They place it on a piece of the broken bridge in Liurnia. The part of the bridge that doesn't have much going on, so you'll probably only walk it once, find the seed at the broken end, and walk back, never to think about the bridge again. If you overlook the dim dark red summon sign, then you just miss out on his quest.

So Fromsoft is inconsistent. Sometimes they signal you with bright developer messages, and sometimes they don't. There doesn't seem to be any real rule or reason to it either. They're just bad at making questlines.

> it isn't the devs fault that you are a retard who forgets everything the minute
IT'S A 200 HOUR GAME if you're actually exploring thoroughly, and trying to discover all you can. Sometimes there's literal days between objectives.

>>717545572
It was data mined and confirmed to be a bug, the aggro trigger box for the crow was just misplaced.

i kill all npcs available if possible and then i just cheat all the items into my game, if you actually do these retarded cryptic quests you are a loser

>>717546754
There’s 2 protecting Millicent at the church. They can be good.

>>717547170
I killed all the merchants because I immediately assumed they were jews and would scam me and what do you fucking know I was RIGHT >>717543523 and FUCK MIDRA too

>>717547257
The fuck? Those freaks attacked me every time I went to visit Millicent.

>>717546773
>>717546867
You wouldn't get it. Its about the journey. I'm not about to bumrush for "muh build". I'm out here autistically roleplaying my characters arc in the lands between. I'm progressing in new and novel ways incomprehensible to most.

Also, I haven't played Elden Ring in months. I do love it though. Its probably my third favorite From game.

>>717546864
While I agree that Lost Izalith is unfinished, I don't think the level design is bad. The skeleton of a good level is there, and I appreciate the descent into hell aesthetic. They've never done a lava level as compelling as Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith in my opinion. AS for Tomb of the Giants, Duke's Archives, Oolacile, and New Londo Ruins? All kino levels. I love invading in TotG and griefing people in the darkness.

>>717546349
I know it was a deliberate design. Deliberate designs can be shit too, ya know.

>>717546754
>there some hidden friendly pest village in the dlc or someshit
there are like 5 bugs in the dlc who are foraging, they dont aggro you and i believe are untargetable in the dlc, if you talk to them they give you a cooking foraging book

>>717547321
It's about you being a pretentious faggot

>>717547257
There is no reason they should attack you after you've spoken with the guy in the shack and millicent, yet they do.
Why?

>>717547306
>he talked to the merchants
kek, i just gave myself 999 smithing stones starting the game

>>717547404
I'm buying the switch 2 version when it comes out btw. Maybe I'll get to invade you ;)

>>717542147
>tfw was among the pioneers of the DLC because I took a day off and nolifed hard so wherever I went there were oftentimes no messages
>probably been among the first few hundred players to set foot in certain areas and beat certain bosses
>always leave helpful messages for others and gain >9k updoots over the next few hours and days as the big mass of normal players follows in my wake


playing souls content blind on release is magical

>>717547170
You weren't supposed to become Yurt.

>>717547405
>Why?
they are racist

>>717547425
I kneel... the Miyazaki vision.

>>717547468
real

>>717547456
How about you invade my peenus weanus:)

>>717541846
>dont make any moves to attack
>dont lock on to anything
>almost always out of the way
>npc shows up at literally the first real area asking you not to attack them
You seem a little to aware to have accidently fucked this up, however yes NPC quests in ER do suck ass.

>>717547619
>me giving anon my peenus weanus

>>717547748
>webm of invader getting demolished
Keep your masochistic tendencies to yourself, freak

One of my problems with this game is that I made it too easy by choosing to use an Int build kek Still fun though. However when I go online and see people say "OH MY GOD I FUCKING STRUGGLED WITH THIS BOSS", and I beat it in 1-3 tries it's a bit of a strange feeling. Because I know I'm just a slightly above average gamer, so I think I'm missing out on the torture. Or maybe I'm just better than I think. I don't know

>>717547648
How many times do I have to repeat that I had never fucking seen Moore before he invaded me? I didn't go to the whatever the fuck settlement where he is first met when I started exploring the dlc map. I went to castle Ensis and trough it to the Scadu Altus, there I went to that church where that fire knight invades you, fought and on that churche's back yard, I saw the pest, and killed it because the game thus far has given me zero indication that I should show those things any mercy.

>>717547842
forgive me weanus-sama

>>717547970
Why are you seething, my child?

>>717541846
Exact same happened to me.
The funny thing is that low enemies like slimes conditioned me to no even use lock on and free aim with the camera to swing downwards so I never would've found out that you can't lock on anyway. In the moment I expected some weird monster to hatch out of its body or some other trap because that wouldn't be out of character for fromsoft at all so I attacked it. From all the enemy types it's also the one where Ieast expected it to be a friendly based on my base game experiences.

>>717547405
Never trust a bug. The only good bug is a dead bug.

>>717547057
>You said, "You're actually supposed to rely on messages left by other players and never research anything on the internet."
i never said that, i am not the guy you were originally responding to.

>>717548074
Yeah, the coiled up/fetal position that "friendly" bug was in is also the exact same position they are in when they are lying dormant/sleeping, and I know from experience that they can spring up and start attacking you at a moment's notice.

>>717547475
if he was yurt he'd shut the fuck up since he's canonically silent

>>717548167
That was me and it was a shitpost.
Seems to have landed quite well.

>>717547917
>I saw the pest, and killed it
i dont know why you keep crying about it, you barely missing anything from killing moore

>>717548226
>the coiled up/fetal position that "friendly" bug
they are not coiled, they are on their knees foraging, moving their hands, they are also untargetable

>>717548058
I'm just posting invasion vids

>>717548292
It is both about the principle of accidentally locking oneself out of content, as well as genuine annoyance over losing access to crafting recipes as I do use a crafting stuff quite a lot.

>>717547321
>You wouldn't get it. Its about the journey.
the journey is only kind of interesting the first time (and grows stale about halfway through, then it is a slog to keep teleporting around to do everything you need to do).
>I'm out here autistically roleplaying my characters arc in the lands between. I'm progressing in new and novel ways incomprehensible to most.
yes, i know you are autistic. you go through the same dungeon over and over ad infinitum. it doesn't make you better, it doesn't make you more wise, it doesn't give you special insights. it just goes to show that you are more okay with doing the same thing over and over.

>>717548417
just cheat it in if you are that assblasted

>>717548368
It sure as shit looked like it was coiled up to me.

>>717541372 (OP)
shnanzishtart bobive muh

>heh... I trained in otherworld to learn the kaio-ken technique.
reddit anime fucking boss fuck off only mexicans liked this fight. then he goes fuckin' super saiyan in phase 2. REDDIT!

>>717541559
In the basegame there are these shrimp enemies that stab you with a halberd and fire threads at you, they're very annoying. In the DLC you join a merry band of misfits from various basegame factions, and one of them is a shrimp-man in heavy armor who's unsure of his purpose and sells things to you. There are some non-hostile shrimp guys foraging in some areas, and they'll give you some recipes if you talk to them. However if you kill one, you will aggro the armored vendor, who will then invade you as a hostile NPC. If you kill him he won't appear later on in NPC group conversations, including the climax moment near the end of the DLC.

OP is complaining because he saw a basegame enemy, assumed it was hostile and attacked without thinking, then got mad when he was faced with the consequences of his actions. You can't target the non-hostile shrimps, which is how you know they're neutral NPCs.

>>717548483
the friendly ones are also smaller than the aggressive ones so it might be hard to distinguish what they are doing

>>717548421
>the journey is only kind of interesting the first time
I disagree, but you already knew that. There is plenty of variety in the dungeons. I'm guessing you've only done some of them once, and now you just regurgitate the popular talking points. That doesn't make you intelligent or insightful.

>>717548524
It would have made more sense if it was Godwyn/Miquella combo instead of Radahn.

>>717548546
You also do not need to target enemies just to attack them, hell especially for shrimps who do that fucking annoying sprinting around you thing, it is often better to not target them and lock your camera onto them so you retain your freedom of movement.

>>717548697
Of course. Cause we all wanted to fight Godwyn, he was the only demi-god who was 100% a good guy. He was OUR hero, defiled.

>>717543640
I don't tend to replay a game that pisses me off the first time around, anon.

>>717548752
Miquella would have revived him in Mohg's body and charmed him against us. What reason does Radahn have to fight us with his faculties in place? He only does so in the waling dunes because he's been turned into a retarded zombie man.

>>717548894
godwyn doesnt have a soul anymore, what was miquella supposed to put in mohgs body?

>>717548894
If I made SOTE, I would've done this but there would've been a phase 3 where you free Godwyn once and for all by just attacking him once and he thanks you. It'd just be like True King Allant. Yeah, I would've done that and then it wouldn't say "DEMIGOD FELLED" or "GOD SLAYED" it'd say a unique message. Like Nightmare Slain in Bloodborne. It'd be kino, /v/ would clap.

>>717548894
Radahn has been bequiled by Kindly Miquella's bussy.

>>717549034
>no sex scene with godwyn while miquella watches
it sucks

>>717541846
>when I killed some random bug, which I've killed hundreds of by this point
Retard. Has to be bait.

>>717548627
there are a very small number of gimmick dungeons/caves. otherwise, they are all very samey. i've complete every dungeon and cave in the game and killed every boss. if you think the amount of variation from dungeon to dungeon is sufficient, you are once again admitting your autism.

>>717548967
His deformed body doesn't have a soul anymore.
His soul likely still exists somewhere though.
He was stabbed with the rune of destined death not the rune of soul destruction.

Besides, Miquella had a fondness for Godwyn and even mourned his death and had a sword made in his honor.
Radahn just kinda seem out of left field.

>>717549221
By what logic. Caelid is full of those fucks, just as is the lake of rot palace place.
Spend enough time in either and you'll rack up a pretty good killcount of those bug freaks.

>>717541846
You killed Moore? Before the appointed time?
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>717549409
If some fat bastards starts throwing diarreah jars at me, he is courting death.

>>717546474
They're literally an invasive species borne of Space Aids that are setting up shop and terraforming the Lands Between.
I didn't touch the ones Moore asked me to leave alone, but all other such Pests get the business with extreme prejudice.

>>717544592
>spoiler
That's exactly what I did. Fucking all the doors were closed and I just followed the direct path to the main part where I saw lava and onto the boss. Everything was so dark in there and it was full of lava outside I just assumed it was some lore bullshittery abandoned mansion that doesn't matter and I didn't even know I COULD open the doors there.

Learning about all this shit afterwards made me so mad.

>>717546584
Wish you could spare these fellows.

>>717549250
Yeah, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. The interiors are samey, sure, but I found the layout variation good enough to keep me engaged. Its like a break from the overworld and most of them are pretty short. I just like taking it slow on new playthroughs
>you are once again admitting your autism.
Yes, I've realized that while discussing video games here. I tend to be more autistic than most in several games that I like. I was mostly joking in my first post about it. I know it doesn't make me better or anything. I have fun though lol

>>717549470
Wait what?
He attacks with fetid pots?
Is he a jeet?

>>717549307
the rune of deaths straight up kills you, if not why would the demigods would be afraid of maliketh if you can just be resurrected after getting killed by the rune of death, they got radhan back because he was killed normally and got stuck in the shadowlands

>>717541846
It's interesting, when I first entered the DLC, I immediately noticed "hey, these insects are docile!". Same with the docile dog in the Ashen Capital.

Do you live in constant fear?

>>717549307
When they first announced the DLC and all we had was this art for an entire year, basically everyone and their mother said "Godwyn will be in". Graves everywhere, the tree was decaying and rotting. But noooooo, it was all a red-herring I guess.

>>717547057
One must realize that Fromsoft is actually extremely bad at making video games, and that people will beat themselves until they like the taste of shit.
They just shit out bosses and just don't balance them at all. You can super tell because there's some bosses that are way too fucking easy compared to shit that came before.

>>717549550
He throws big pots full of scarlet rot at you.

>>717549583
i killed ansbach and moore as soon as i met them, attacked leda too but she juist dissapears and reappers after resting

>>717549583
The bug I killed behind the Church of the crusade was the first one I at least noticed and actively went out of my way to kill, because at that point, I had no reason to think that there were docile bugs in the game and I assumed that it was just dormant and would attack me if it spotted me, thus I killed it first.

Where is this bug that you're not supposed to kill?

>>717549398
A single Pest, hanging out in a conspicuous area in the middle of nowhere, performing a unique animation, and you can't lock on to it.
Hmm...
Also, I'm pretty sure Moore gives you the benefit of the doubt for just killing one, and he only invades if you kill a second. If you're killing two of these curiosities without engaging your brain even once, then that's a skill issue.

>>717549795
>https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Forager_Brood_Cookbooks

>>717547306
>>717543523
>oh no the merchants were le persecuted!
lol, lmao

>>717549591
Deathroot is present in the DLC catacombs and the death knights were in league with Godwyn as well.

>>717549550
Moore is a Kindred of Rot.
>>717549706
Actual mongoloid behaviour.

>>717549950
>Actual mongoloid behaviour.
hey, at least im not op crying that i killed friendly npcs

>>717549583
The docile dog is just a bug.
Fuck all dogs in souls games.
These shits are fucking cancer.

>>717547306
>>717543523

>>717550052
>The docile dog is just a bug.
so is the crow

I wonder if that canonical Tarnished cared about any of the characters. I think Thiollier?

>>717549950
I already had that spoilered for me but I haven't fought him.
Being a forager why wouldnt he throw literal shit pots at you it would be funny.
poop is funny.

>>717549939
>"Merchants" expelled from all settlements
>metaphysical manifestation as a people is a destructive god of leveling and revenge
>Shabriri is the name of a Jewish demon
Merchants are Revolutionary Bolsheviks; I don't get upset when people go collecting their bell bearings.

>>717549939
>>717550080
this is a hate crime

>>717550156
>>717550170
Merchantmind.

>>717549856
As I've said before itt, it was the first one I consciously chose to kill. I have no recollection of killign any other of them so I assume that it must have just been part of collateral damage in an fight against other ncps in the map due to how much AOE my spells and shit tend to do.
And, again, I had never met Moore before so I didn't even know that there were these non hostile bugs in the game.

>>717543523

>>717545817
What happens when the servers go down or the player doesn't have access to internet?

>>717550257
>it must have just been part of collateral damage in an fight
the friendly bugs are pretty far away from enemies

>>717550332
I am somewhat underleveled for the dlc map so I tend to have to run around the enemies and even flee while spamming spells so I could have easily just led a fight to one of them by accident.

>>717550323
>and it IS still entirely possible to play the games offline
>the games favour repeat playthroughs
the messages, bloodstains, and summons are tools to help players out but they are not necessary to the function of the game. you can play and beat the game without ever connecting to the servers. you can figure out and beat quests without their help and the games favour repeat playthroughs to do things "correctly" on your second or third playthrough.

>>717548546
moore is a shrimp man? where does it say that

>>717550518
a 100 hour long game is good for repeat playthroughs? In that you just ignore the vast majority of content upon these repeat playthroughs? The chances of a player finding something new drastically decreases when they realize how much content isn't unique to them. Especially when its as obscure as this game

>>717550939
>where does it say that
if you tell him to kill himself and then find his body/armor you'll see he is a pest

>>717541372 (OP)
idr what happens with that guy, but Ranni's questline is the only worthwhile FS side quest so you didn't miss out on anything.

>>717551062
...i cant believe my bro was a DYEL this whole time

>>717551043
yes, the length and open world were the biggest issues that plagued elden ring. but if you read the reply chain, you can see that those points were directed at all souls games when the anon brought up demon's souls and when in my reply i mention "these gameS". that also being said, repeat playthroughs are not as long as the initial playthrough, you are now armed with knowledge of the game world and how to progress.

>>717541372 (OP)
Reminds me of the guy who quit Elden Ring because he didn’t do the tutorial and then attacked Varre and was perma stuck dying as soon as he respawned because he was too shit to run away from Varre. He literally quit Elden Ring without defeating a single enemy.

>>717551479
a friend did that on ds1, got out of the asylum, attacked the crestfallen warrior, got his ass destroyed and since he was unable to move away he just quit the game while saying it was not that hard

>>717549928
Thanks.

>>717552110
based, fuck moore and his hiv pots

>>717552110
not needing any extra stats for dual wielding was such a fucking mistake.

>>717552481
The average level in this game is so high it doesn't really matter. I do wish we had ACTUAL powerstancing though, with full left handed movesets. ER doesn't have powerstancing, it's just dual wielding. It was called powerstancing in DS2 quite literally, as it was a separate stance you could enter in and out of.

>>717552110
cringelord

>>717541372 (OP)
You were literally killing peaceful NPCs, who were unable to fight back and couldn't even be targetted. You were also explictly warned about this by an NPC. You had all of the clues in a Souls game, OP.

>>717541372 (OP)
this happened to me too. I have to play offline in order to use my monitor so I didn't see the messages. game forces you into 16:9 as if anyone still uses that twenty year old resolution anymore other than third worlders

>>717541710
>We're in 2025, not 1995. Nobody goes in blind anymore. That's boomer shit. Get with the times.
Wrong

>>717552874
This is bait to react to your weird screen issues.

>>717552110
You little tarnished piece of motherfucking shit my brood numbers in the thousands and we will fuck your shit ALL up for this. You will never know peace after this transgression against my kind I will bite your head off with my mandibles and lay eggs down your worthless fuckpipe

>>717541372 (OP)
OP is a finnish retard who remakes these threads on finnchan every time he gets banned.
He advertises his threads on facebook

>>717552676
We don't call things cringe anymore. It's cool, end of story.

>>717551371
>armed with knowledge
I have to disagree.
You said yourself that the length and scale of the earlier entries fit, they were more contained, more digestible. But this idea of being “armed with knowledge” doesn’t really hold up in Elden Ring. The problem isn’t just about having knowledge. It’s about how that knowledge is earned, and whether it’s even reliable or useful in a game this big and chaotic.

Take the Firekeeper who eats the grapes You talk to her once, hand her a grape, and she leaves. From that point on, you have to carefully walk this tightrope where any “wrong” move offighting a boss, entering a dungeon, teleporting too far, you might kill her questline. But the game never tells you what the “wrong” move is. It never even hints at it. So now, on your second or third playthrough, what do you do? Babysit her. You inch forward by doing a dungeon, then go check. She’s not there, so you explore and progress. You kill a boss, and the quest ends. You did too much. And you're left wondering; Which thing ended it? The boss, the area, dialogue I missed? And the thing is, on your first playthrough, you don't even know this is how the game works yet. And that ignorance might continue in other playthroughs to boot.
Same thing with Diallos. He starts in Roundtable Hold, then shows up somewhere in Liurnia. Where? I couldn’t even point to it right now if you asked. There’s no consistency. You might only find him if you randomly stumble across his new location, and if you don’t? That quest thread is just gone. And when do you know this? And in an open world game that supposedly encourages you to go anywhere, do anything, at your own pace this is a major flaw.

So being “armed with knowledge” only works if that knowledge is dependable. But in Elden Ring, the world is so massive and so disjointed that the information you carry between playthroughs might not even be the right information. You’re just guessing.

char limit

>>717553182
you WILL get raped

>>717553464
>50 vigor
>This thing one shots me
WTF Miyazaki?!

>>717553270
The fact that you have no means of even tracking the quests you are embarking on is another major flaw. You will just fucking forget some shit you were up to over time and quests fall by the wayside.

>>717553270
Had to gut my post. BUT I’ll add this: I personally believe one of the biggest mistakes a game can make is requiring external sources, be it wikis, forums, YouTube guides, for core content. I’m not talking about data-mined frame info faggotry or hidden mechanics for min-maxing. I mean actual gameplay, like quests, locations, progression, consequences. If a player needs to alt-tab out just to follow a character's story or complete a questline properly, then the game has failed to communicate with the player. It’s not depth, it’s opacity. That’s a huge difference. This idea of “just look it up” takes so much wind out of the sails. It retroactively excuses bad design.
>adaptability in ds2 was fine, just had to google it!!
No, it's not fine, that's shit. The mechanic sucks and so does the implementation. If a game wants to be cryptic or mysterious, that’s fine. But if it also locks content behind that mystery with no feedback, no second chances, and no way for the player to understand what went wrong, then that’s not design, it’s obfuscation.
The only exception I’ll give is MMOs. Some of those have been running for literal decades, stacking expansions and systems on top of each other, and players expect that kind of layered complexity. But a single-player open world RPG? No. That shit should be self-contained,, end of story.

>>717552110
Based. Total turkroach death

>>717554326
Fuck you it's not based at all.
The thing didn't even fight back.

>>717554486
So? Do you like it when pests you are exterminating fight back?

get fuckerd idiot

Elden Ring sucks and I'm tired of pretending it's ok. FROM can literally shit out anything now and retards will defend it because its "hard', which its only hard if you let it be by intentionally gimping yourself, cause it's a fucking single player game. It's fucking insanity.

>>717554580
It would at least make it feel less dickish if they responded with violence.

>>717553270
>>717553827
i hope you know that fairly early on fromsoft patched in map markers that tell you where NPCs are. they recognized that the quest design didn't mesh as well with an open world, so they added something to help along with it.
the quests generally progress fairly naturally and are difficult to fuck up, the devs predicted player movements fairly well (probably through extensive playtesting) and got everything organized in a way where you will naturally meet with the NPCs in the order that you are supposed to. the only quest i had to look anything up for was sellen/jerren quest.
many quests progress by beating certain bosses/hitting certain progression milestones, but few lock you out of completion by progressing too much at the wrong time. most quests can be completed long after you've beat every boss.
and the last thing, think back to what i said
>npc side quests are nonessential to completing the game
no npc side quest matters to the completion of the game. everyone is on their own journey. the NPCs aren't there as goals for you to complete, you are in their path as much as they are in yours.
anyways, if all of this bothers you so much, then do what we did in the old days: keep an actual journal. write shit down and stop expecting the developer to put in checklists for you to complete. you want to remember something? write it down. more devs should be like this, fuck all this limpdick handholding bullshit.

>>717541372 (OP)
The fuck, elden ring has missables? Isn't this game like 300 hours long
Fuck that

>>717543245
Wtf is the quest rune breaking even about? I got the same anouncement when I explored Scadu Altus and I have no fucking idea what it is even referring to.

>>717542019
Elden rings biggest problem is the fucking open world isn't worth exploring. Oh shit, got some mushrooms and 100 souls for clearing this graveyard, sick. Elden ring is worse because of the open world, it provides nothing of value and just bloats the game.

>>717545927
> If it took you about 10-15 hours to reply up to Anor Londo, it takes about 40-60 hours to replay up to Leyndell in Elden Ring.
good god

Okay so I only have access to the DLC on my lvl 230 NG+4 character.
Quickest route to get there with a new build?
Mohg slaps my shit as soon as I get the crest from Varre. I can't deal.
I don't want to have to build a character back up to 150 to not have to deal with this NG+ bullshit I'm currently dealing with.

>>717554740
nta, but the quest markers dont tell where npcs go after you talk to them do they?

>>717541372 (OP)
>>717541846
I never knew this was a thing until now and I assumed his quest just amounts to him dying by himself when you prompt him to or he joins Leda at the end. What the fuck

>>717554486
>>717554712
I am evil.

the merchant flame god is actually pretty great and way cooler than the two fingers
Hyetta is also superior to Melina

>>717541372 (OP)
You aren't. souls games are wikigames. Always has been.

>>717554740
>nonessential
Then why are they even in the game? FromSoft clearly thinks they matter, why else give them such level of detail? Saying you can beat the final boss without ever interacting with them isn't as much of a good thing as you'd think. And even then, it misses the point entirely. It's like saying the side stories in a book don't matter, because you can skip to the final chapter.
>in their path as much as they are in yours.
Except they aren't. I'm having to veer off my road to catch them, my eyes are more focused on the sidewalks than the traffic. If I stick to my path, half of them vanish. that isn't a shared journey, that's a scavenger hunt.
>keep an actual journal
I do keep notes. The problem is, the game doesn’t give me enough to write down. If I meet an NPC who says two vague lines and then vanishes, I have nothing to go on. Where did they go? What triggered their disappearance? Was it a dungeon? A bonfire? A boss I killed? The game gives me no way to deduce that. I’m not asking for quest markers and neon signs blinking over the NPCs head, just internal feedback. Some clue that I did something wrong or that I’m on the right track. Otherwise, I’m left writing down blank entries based on guesses and hindsight. That’s not discovery. That’s reverse-engineering a puzzle with missing pieces.

char limit reached again :^)

>>717549112
>no sex scene between godwyn and miquella while we watch
i weep

>>717554740
Continuing...

I'mnot asking for “limpdick handholding” either. I love mystery and ambiguity in games. But mystery is only satisfying when the player has the tools to unravel it. Otherwise, it’s just confusion dressed up as depth. There’s a difference between earning insight and needing to google it because the game refuses to communicate.
The fact that they had to patch in NPC markers only proves the point that the original design wasn’t working for a large portion of players. FromSoft recognized that, and instead of saying “well, they don’t matter anyway,” they actually added a system to help people stay connected to these characters. Because even they knew how disappointing it felt to miss great storytelling just because you didn’t walk into a cave before killing a boss.

Again, it's because the world is as big as it and often times empty that this becomes a problem. Because you can go anywhere you want. Players even encourage others to go away and come back later when they meet Morgott, or whatever the 'first' boss is.

>>717549591
yeah, because it's the shadowtree not the fucking death tree
the names right there

>>717558253
It was heavily implied it was cause of the color scheme. But you know that, you just defend slop.

Nigger

>>717557396
>Then why are they even in the game?
because the developers wanted to give the world a little bit of life and potential extra content/context? they absolutely are tertiary to the experience. you do not need them to beat the game, you can absolutely understand the main "plot" without them. they give you extra information and context that give you a more well rounded understanding, but they are not necessary.
>It's like saying the side stories in a book don't matter, because you can skip to the final chapter.
no, because the chapters between the first and last are required reading, like it is required of the player to beat certain bosses. it is more like saying you don't need the silmarillion to complete/understand the hobbit, or you don't need the hobbit to complete/understand the lord of the rings. things created with a bunch of depth/lore that give you a more well rounded understanding of the story being told, but are not required for the main narrative.
>Except they aren't. I'm having to veer off my road to catch them
they often have voice lines when you are near them to alert you to their presence and they are put on your path at major locations and have signposting towards them. it isn't like you have to flip every rock in the world to find which one they are hiding under. you might miss some sure, but you might miss entire dungeons. how many people missed the consecrated snowfields and the haligtree? that isn't required for the main path despite being fully fleshed out, arguably more fleshed out than many main locations. just saying "they put effort into this, how is it not required?" is absolutely retarded and follows no reasonable logic.

>>717558063
>bottle feeding an adult cat
Why do people do this?

Leave OP alone, you can attack enemies without knowing they're actually enemies sometimes. I killed Alexander because I didn't know he was a friendly NPC since the first time I met him was in the cave next to that redmane castle in Caelid. I saw a big jar fucker and I immediately went to kill it and then I saw he was saying stuff but I didn't stop my combo in time and he wouldn't stop being aggro. I had to defend myself. I even left the cave and quit the game and restarted and he still was aggro. It's his fault for not calming down.

>>717558479
because they don't have children but still feel the need to be a parent. "dog mom" or "cat dad" or whatever the fuck terms people use to describe their pets as offspring has become extremely common. why don't they have kids? could be a variety of reasons, most of them come down to lies to themselves about morality or viability.

>>717559398
>i'm a psychopathic, murdering cunt that slaughters all in my path
>it is everyone else's fault, especially the dev's
anon, seek help.

>Mongrel intruder
I'm White you fucking asshole.
I don't play as non-Whites.
I don't roll nons.

>>717559398
i killed every single npc you can find in the field since i thought they would eventually betray me, it wasnt until an anon in these threads told me if i do their quests they give me armor, ancient smithing stones, etc
welp

The way you can be locked out of quests in the DLC makes zero fucking sense. The quest system is completely retarded and there's a reason no other game does it like this.

>>717559606
>I'm White you fucking asshole.
you are a tarnished, you were expelled from the lands between and came back to take over the land you are a jew

>>717559713
If I didn't take over the land somebody else would.

>>717559647
>Walk into a building
>NOW YOU FUCKED UP

>>717541952
If you aren't craftingpilled you're missing out on half the game desu

>>717558354
You're obsessing over technicalities and missing the entire point. Yeah, you can beat Elden Ring without doing side quests. Just like you can beat a racing game without tuning your ride, or beat an RPG without talking to anyone and just killing everything. That ain't the point. These NPCs aren't just flavor text. They're baked into the world and story. Not required, but meaningful.
Your Silmarillion vs Hobbit comparison doesn’t fit. Those are separate books with their own goals. The NPCs in ER are in the game, built alongside the bosses, dungeons, and regions. They aren't some external lore add-on. They’re part of the structure, and thessue is how their quests fall apart when you play the game the way it's supposedly designed to be played. You're told to explore freely. But explore the wrong place at the wrong time? Boom, broken quest, it's fucked. No warning, no feedback, no second chances. Just gone.

Your solution is basically "play 100+ hours per playthrough, take irrelevant notes, replay the whole thing and maybe get it right next time." That’s not depth, that’s guesswork. It’s not engaging, it’s trial and error that takes 20 times longer than just dying to a boss and trying again. And saying "just cause they put effort into it doesn’t mean it should be required" ignores my point. I’m not saying it should be required. I’m saying if you put time and care into building full questlines with voice acting and world impact, then hide them behind vague conditions and invisible flags, that’s bad delivery. That’s content most peopel will never even know existed, let alone complete.

Anyway, I'm a wagie past his bedtime. G'nite.

>sparse character interactions
>occluded story triggers
>characters just kind of teleport in and out of locations

I've always liked it because it's cool to get a completely different version of the game than your friend. Some people might meet an NPC here while other meet the same NPC a little later in their story elsewhere. Or a completely different NPC. It's only annoying if you have some kind of compulsion to experience every single thing on your first blind playthrough. Which is strange to me.

>The moral of every other quest is that racism and prejudice is bad and will lead you to ruin.
>Kill something that didn't attack you just because it's a different species.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>717560305
>racism is bad
The jews didn't seem to think so when they were whipping goys with teeth and melting them into jars. Now that the White man is back to purge their faggot asses on orders from his mother they want to bitch about it.

>randomly decide to boot up seamless co-op for invasions
>surely no one's still playing this with nightreign out
>instant invasions on every single character i have, never see the same person twice
it's honestly wild how hard vanilla elden ring dropped the ball with its multiplayer system. i ended up having some especially fun / close invasions too, including one where i simply had to concede defeat and bowed as i was cut down.

>>717560262
i like it because it feels like the characters have agency, even though they obviously don't if you think about it for more than a second.
>patches just fucks off, pretends to die in a random location, and trolls you with a fake side quest before returning to his original cave for no reason
fun

>>717541372 (OP)
>I'm mildly beefed.
It's an old school design element. Previously, you were supposed to keep a note about this so that on your second playthrough this wouldn't happen. I agree with you it's kind of bullshit, but it comes from an era where you would have one game every 3 months to a year instead of a new game every day. Back to back playthroughs were common. I rarely replay games anymore unless they are truly fantastic because I can just boot up a new one. Replayability isn't something I look for in a game.
Dumbest example of this:
In Silent Hill 1 there's a part in the hospital where there is a red splotch on the floor. You are supposed to use a vial to get the goop off the floor and put it in your inventory. Later on when one of the main characters gets possessed you're supposed to throw this vial at her to cleanse her of her demons. There's no way of knowing this on a first playthrough because what the goop is and how to use it isn't revealed to you until the final boss, so to get the Good+ ending you have to play through the game at least twice or go into it using a guide/walkthrough like a little faggot nigger bitch.

>>717560748
Invasions weren't even intended for Elden Ring. it was announced to not have invasions at all, this made people scream and shit and cry and piss their pants so FROM added invasions.

I still can't believe Mohg was the one actually being raped

>>717561784
source? i vaguely remember people speculating that ER wouldn't have invasions but then the network test rolled around and they were in. also there's some leftover code for covenants.

>>717561784
Cmon, it was always going to have invasions.
It's literally Dark Souls 4. Anyone who thinks it isn't is crazy.

>>717562271
>source?
It was all over twitter and 4chan when it was first announced, I didn't save any screencaps because I knew they'd just add them back in.
>>717562292
It was obvious they were going to add them back in. At first I thought it was just a marketing tactic to generate outrage that they'd "solve" after.

>>717541372 (OP)
git gud faggot

>>717560080
>These NPCs aren't just flavor text. They're baked into the world and story. Not required, but meaningful.
>if you put time and care into building full questlines with voice acting and world impact, then hide them behind vague conditions and invisible flags, that’s bad delivery.
yes, not required. and i already pointed out how the design of these quests is a meaningful choice. by giving them ingame checklists that always tell you what to do makes them objects for the player to manipulate. by letting the NPCs just be where they are, they feel slightly more like they are their own beings. "you are in their path as much as they are in yours." part of the journey is that you might cross paths with interesting people. maybe you won't! but you aren't guaranteed it, this isn't a book or tv show where every person gets the same experience as they engage with it. this is a game, an entirely different medium with different goals and different possibilities.
>Your Silmarillion vs Hobbit comparison doesn’t fit. Those are separate books with their own goals.
you are correct that it doesn't fit, but it wasn't my comparison. you were comparing it to a completely different medium and i was using that as a closer facsimile to what you were getting to than your retarded comparison that implies you can go from the first level of a game to the final level without playing any of the levels between. it isn't the same thing, and games don't require you to play every sidequest to understand the main story.
>That’s content most peopel will never even know existed, let alone complete.
who cares? most players of most games don't get past the first few hours of play.

>>717541846
>kills innocent, non-violent creature
>get slightly punished for it

situations like these are constantly praised at literally the most interesting, integral part of many JRPGS. YOU, the PLAYER, instinctively kill an innocent creature because of context presented, without giving it a second thought.

By the DLC, you should be well aware of the sensitivity of each action presented.

>>717562343
>It was all over twitter and 4chan when it was first announced
no it wasnt, you're thinking Sekiro dummy
>>717560748
>i like it because it feels like the characters have agency, even though they obviously don't
each character having an actual linear, trackable location relative to their quest is actually really cool

>>717562845
No I'm talking about Elden Ring. I guess I'm one of the few users without object permanence disorders.

>>717562845
1 second on google

>>717563221
Not having solo invasions doesnt mean no invasions. Hasn't it been like this since Bloodborne?

>>717562161
RAPE THE RAPING RAPIST BEFORE THE RAPING RAPIST RAPES YOU

>>717562161
Raped and tossed away as a vessel to bring back Radahn of all people. What the fuck was that shit about, Mikey?!

>>717563221
>no solo invasions
This is completely different than no invasions at all.
Honestly I prefer 2v1s and 3v1s. I've invaded a lot of people solo in Elden Ring over the years and it's just too much for the average player to handle.

>>717541372 (OP)
get fucked bug killer

>>717541846
Please dont pretend Moore has anything worth buying, nigger and don't pretend like the bug recipes are worth anything either

>>717564706
I won't know what he's selling now that he's dead

>I like finding things. For you, Lady Leda, her allies, and the forager brood. Things bring joy to all.
>Welcome… You come often. You enjoy things. I like finding things. I like you.

And you fucking killed him.
He was a sweet autistic bug man and you did him in like a cunt.

>>717565968
It was a self defense situation

>>717548090
What about Steve?

>>717549523
>Talk with the obvious NPC lady
>she gives you a key and tells you to open the rooms to the left
>"Alright i'mma ignore all that.
Lots of impulsive brainlets in this thread

I wanna see Creeperman 90 play Elden Ring.

>>717567615
You can do all of volcano manor through the iron virgin teleporter doebeit.

>>717567689
Holy shit that's his name?

>>717567767
if you want to get locked in the harder part of the map before you're ready for it, sure

>>717553270
>in an open world game that supposedly encourages you to go anywhere,
Clearly, you have't "gone everywhere" or you would've found both quests. I missed Diallos on my first playthrough and i didn't cry about it on /v/ because ER is amazing and i knew i would replay it.

>>717559484
i dont have kids because i'm an incel
i never owned pets
and i'm a vegetarian

>>717567339
Steve deserved better, man. Dude out there just mining his business-literally-and gets absolutely blindsided by the plot. I swear FromSoft really said “you like this NPC? boom, dead.” Classic. Let Steve rest.

>>717567767
Only if yu use an internet guide to do an unintended skip.

>>717568272
Patches tells you about it.

>>717541846
This is why you always try to lock on before attacking something

>>717543532
There is friendly crow? In bloodborne? Oh shit, at least i did not killed this cool npc in church

Miyazaki will never make a game with story after ER became a mega success. If you want story from From look forward to games made by his workers like Nightreign

>>717568340
Nightreign has a story?
I'm 300 hours in and that's news to me. I didn't know that, nuh-uh.

Who wants to try the Fred Herbert build for pvp? I know you're a better gentleman than this, sir.

>>717548546
>You can't target the non-hostile shrimps, which is how you know they're neutral NPCs.
I was onboard with this until that last bit... that's a meta and lame as fuck way of determining an enemy's hostility, that is only slightly below "keep a wiki open" on the scale of immersion breaking, shitty mechanics.

It should be enough for an intelligent player that they shrimply don't attack you, meta bullshit like that is a crutch of either bad design or an understanding that the audience are retards.

>>717568480
>understanding the audiences are retarded is trusting the audience is smart enough to use a basic game mechanic in non-obvious ways
uhhhhh

>>717568292
You can't reach the rest of Volcano Manor from the area Patches tells you unless you use a wonky geodata you'd only know through lengtht trial and error or a looking up on the internet.

>>717568581
No, I did it by jumping into the lava which I’ll admit is very stupid of me to do, but it didn’t kill me and just did some chip damage as I sludged through it. I did this a few times cause I died some exploring and to the Noble.

>>717568385
>Nightreign has a story?
It's like a movie game compared to ER

>>717568480
The game has already shown you nonhostile monsters before with the Jars of Jarburg, Alexander, Boc, Zoryas and Hewg.

>>717544394
I have hundreds of hours in Elden ring, probably hundreds in nightreign now, I’ve been all over the wikis, done all the storylines, all the quests, read all the flavor text, and I’m baffled how you fucking people come up with this shit .

>>717568739
Here’s what I got from Nightreign’s story
>same as ER until the beckoning where a twist happens and the night comes instead
>each character has a background but who cares except for wylder and duchess who are the only important characters
>night lords are just intrigued by the night or rely on it to survive
>heolstor was defeated by… uh… Godfrey?
>Morgott got night corrupted but he’d be a good guy if he wasn’t
>Nameless King jobs
>Maris and Elden Beast are related

>>717546056
>tfw finally getting pest thread spears on your pest thread build and fucking everything and everyone up
spider man build with spiked caestus and the kick martial arts as weapons and threads is fun

>>717547468
Those flasks from messages approved came in so clutch for weeks

>>717547468
>>717569150
I kept putting “gesture required ahead” in front of every marika statue with that one gesture you need to reach her home and got so many interactions.

>>717569228
I got one of the first “Elden ring, oh Elden ring” messages in on launch day, it’s a crowning achievement in my life.

I will confess something:

I am the one that puts "magic but hole" messages in front of teleporters

>>717569760
.......*sigh*

>>717568529
You shouldn't need it, it's a mechanic without a purpose: a smart player will notice that the enemies are ignoring them, and that's enough of a test. To have the mechanic of detecting them be "use the lock on button" is unnecessary and immersion breaking retardation and you're a retard for defending it.

So anyway, Dark souls, all of them, are the weakest games in the soulsborne series and are mogged by Demon's Souls, Bloodborne and Elden Ring.
Your thoughts?

>>717570836
to me? they got worse with each entry
Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, and 2 are the only good entries. The rest is FromSoft parodying themselves

Mesmer did nothing wrong.
Total Hornsent death

>>717571617
oh yeah, 100%
Mezzy is ourguy

>NOOOO, DON'T KILL THE NON-HOSTILE NPCS!
>meanwhile, killing merchants on the spot is the optimal way to save yourself unnecessary travelling

>>717541372 (OP)
>What did Miyazaki mean by this?
get fukced lmao

>>717572125
They're all frenzied, alone and probably want to die anyway. You are their only customer.

>>717567615
Honestly I was confused by that too, because I'm not sure how I would've missed an NPC. I just assumed I did because I didn't remember anything else so I rechecked how you can fight the final boss and found it.

There's just an illusory wall here that has a dozen messages pointing it out so that's the way I went. If you go this way you skip all the quests.

>>717541372 (OP)
Anon.
Why do you think he invaded you in the first place.

>>717541372 (OP)
>moore is a rot pest
But he's a human under his armor and can speak. I took him to be a Tarzan like guy raised by the Kindred.

>>717541372 (OP)
Story and lore in FS games is non existent anyway, who cares

>>717541846
So you lost nothing? Fucking faggot bitching about nothing.

>>717547468
Good goy

>>717544514
You act like a nigger

>>717576675
>nooo you can't hurt the hecking pesterinos!

I like how OP told the truth and it’s 100 percent ridiculous to have an invasion that ruins side quest over an enemy that kills you brutally and people on this board are shocked that they killed them immediately. Also to the retard said
“For a useless crafting system?” Doesn’t even help dumb fuck

>>717571617

>>717571617
The game doesn't really do anything to make the "oppression" and "persecution" of the golden order towards the crucible freaks seem unjustified. Both in form and their cultures we see, the hornsent, the misbegotten, and the omen are all repulsive and disgusting monsters.