Thread 717561147

How come two rpg making giants end up making something so forgettable? Most cultural impact they had was the pronouns rant and avowed versus Oblivion comparisons

>>717561147 (OP)
pagliaci is obsessed with appealing to retards, obsidian only made ONE good game and has been riding the coattails of their past success

>>717561232
Alpha protocol?

>>717561147 (OP)
the devs that made fallout 4 made something shit? This can't be happening!!!!!!!!!

their old guard are retiring/stepping back and their new hires are deranged californian millennials

>>717561365
It should be worrying that they can't even reach the low bar that was Fallout 4 and Skyrim

Starfield was sanitized slop for the masses. It proved Bethesda has no sovl anymore and nobody should have any expectations for the next TES game.
Avowed was just trying to make a more action-oriented game out of an IP that had already has a track record of bombing. Pillars of Eternity 2 sold poorly, and Avowed was a spinoff in the Pillars of Eternity setting.

Starfield is many things but not forgettable, I still remember most of the webms from these threads. Meanwhile, I forgot Avowed even existed until just now. Todd won.

Starfield is quintessential amerimutt slop
No identity,unfunny,unengaging and mandatory jew worship

>>717561147 (OP)
they got mogged

Avowed was so poorly marketed i didn’t even know it was a pillars of eternity spinoff until like 2 weeks ago

Starfield i don’t even know where to start. All I can say is people do not get fooled by overambitious space games anymore, it isn’t 2016, and the few people who would are dads who only play stuff like Elite/shart citizen/etc and weren’t looking for a more on rails rpg

>>717561147 (OP)
man i genuinely thought starfield would get saved by mods. it is 2025 and no one gives a FUCK still KEK

avowed was far worse than star field.

so what's the future of immersive RPGs?

>>717562474
I know what this anon means, but reading someone refer to a Bethesda game as comparatively "on rails" hurts my soul.
what a fall from grace.

>>717562606
Nah avowed was actually fun

>>717562679
There's only two RPGs in your pic

>>717562760
The two games with the most freedom there are Starfield and Morrowind

>>717562760
Sure thing bud

>>717562740
I honeslty wasn’t even saying that to shit on modern bethesda (even if it is a bit true)
Making a space autism game was just such a bad decision, it invites so much scrutiny from the people who play games that already exist. The loading screens for example absolutely deserved to be absolutely SHIT on bc stuff like Elite Dangerous and NMS already did mostly seamless planetary stuff years prior

>>717563202
*and also the people who play those games are usually completely rping themselves they don’t want a shitty bethesda writing story on it

Especially the case with Star Citizen players lmao

>>717561147 (OP)
Starfield outlived awoved and outlived everything made 2 years ago.

What do you mean bro? Bethesda just made average bethesda type shit.

>>717563364
>outlived
lmao what is this type of cope?
pong outlived every game in existence

>>717563557
I think it's an honest-to-god zoomer who says things like "dead game" as some kind of criticism.

>>717561147 (OP)
How is Starfield forgotten when there is still a general, big overhaul and dlc coming out.

>>717563364
>Starfield outlived
Starfield flopped

>>717561147 (OP)
Obsidian has always been very overrated. New Vegas was good but otherwise a fluke largely built on Bethesdas work and Pillars of Eternity is sort of an acquired taste. Grounded is a babys first survival game for babies, Outer Worlds might as well be AI generated, and Avowed is just Faggot Skyrim.

>>717561365
Fallout 4 is the critically acclaimed and the best selling fallout ever released.
Cope. Seethe. Dilate.

>>717561147 (OP)
>dumb retard make one single edgy contemporary questline that appease emo edgy culture at that time
>studio decided to make him the narrative writer in their next big tripel A IP
>story ended up being shit, but fans are overlooked story quality because of gameplay, game design, and open world
>some story nooticer being ignored for the same reason
>fast forward 4 years later
>studio decided to make the same retard to write main narrative of their long awaited vidya: skyrim
>main story ended up being shit, but fans are overlooked story quality for side lore, gameplay, game design, and open world style
>some story nooticer being ignored for the same reason
>fast forward 4 years later
>studio decided to make the same retard to not only write but DESIGN the sequel of their 2008 game
>that retard (being a retard) proudly declare that he's not going to make game design document - the most crucial aspect in game development - just because
>game ended up being shit, but fans overlooked both story and game design quality for open world aspect
>some story nooticer being ignored for the same reason
>fast forward 8 years later
>studio decided to make the same retard as LEAD DESIGNER in their new IP that nobody asked
>new IP ended up being a total pile of dogshit and DOA
>everyone ended up nooticing the pattern and outed the culprit, but studio decided to make him the head narrative for their next awaited IP anyway
So what do we learn in here?

>>717561147 (OP)
Because games are made by people, not corporate entities, and the greats that made their legends are gone.

Also, Avelone got a raw deal.

>>717561483
Deranged still falls short. Racist to the point of risking legal sanction in employment law is where they're at.

>>717564614
Bethesda is Todd's little chess club

>>717562474
And the little marketing Avowed DID have got hijacked by their art director geting into a dumb slapfight with Elon Musk, and insisting that he was going work harder to make a game chuds hated more.

I wonder what the marketing people were thinking when they saw that tweet go up.

>>717564614
The bigs will promote dumb retards who survived bad projects and still have a pulse?

Go indie before the bigs fuck them up by bying them?

>>717562521
The Star Wars genesis mod looks pretty cool.

>>717564012
>Best selling
Yeah dude niggerball 19 sold more than dishonored and mgs 5

>>717564825
Devs can fool execs because execs are old and dumb. Remember ubisoft internal meeting video several weeks ago?

>>717561147 (OP)
All the people with talent are retiring or switching careers.

I think Obsidian has openly sold out, they don't aspire to much anymore they just make "product" or "content".

>>717564012
Fallout 4 was positively received by critics.... post 2015.
2015 is the inflection point.
Before 2015 if critics liked it: it's good.
After 2015 if critics liked it: it's actually bad.
2015 was when Marketing achieved more power within the western economy than the concept of Value. Ever since then the machine has been destroying itself by specifically trying to deliver goods and services that provide less value to the customer and relying on customers being explicitly tricked into wasting their money.

The dominant business strategy is now a reverse-value-chain combined with deception.

>>717564614
What was the questline Pagliacci wrote? Oblivion DB?

I think the lesson (you're hinting at) is that for the long term success of a game studio, franchise and game industry there needs to be clearer crediting of work. A way to define separate pieces or components of a game and then draw a clear line of accountability from that end result to the team or person in charge of it.

Indian "developers"

>>717561147 (OP)
Gamers have wrpg fatigue

>>717561147 (OP)
I like when they released shill articles saying Avowed has 5 million players because unfalsifiable gamepass claims:
https://screenrant.com/avowed-hits-5-million-players-worldwide-since-launch/

but the biggest platform shows shit numbers. Like real shit.
https://steamdb.info/app/2457220/charts/

>>717561232
KotOR II, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mask of the Betrayer, Storm of Zehir, Fallout New Vegas, Southpark the Stick of Truth, Pillars of Eternity, Pillars of Eternity 2, Tyranny, and Pentiment were all above average to good to exceptional games.

>>717563202
I played elite dangerous and how much of a pain it was there made me not care Starfield lacked seamless planetary landing, but jokes on me the people who dropped Starfield over it didn't waste time and money on that trash like I did.

My interest In Starfield was never really as a space game as such to begin with, I just wanted sci-fi planet hopping oblivion. Which of course I didn't get either.

>>717561147 (OP)
Veilguard was even worse considering people don't even remember to include it in these threads

>>717567227
They also wrote the initial story to Skyforge. The Skyforge MMO went downhill fast but the story set up was top notch. It was just top notch that was utterly wasted.

>>717566593
Along these lines I want to see Hiroi absolved of the blame for Wuk Lamat, it was clearly Yoshi Ps fault.

>>717567265
Veilguard had a hardcore fanbase that they failed to please. Avowed was purposefully not called a Pillars game even though it was in the Pillar's setting so had significantly less expectations around it. If they'd called that thing Pillars 3 it would have been a massacre.

>>717561147 (OP)
These are both good games, and I don't know why street shitters on 4channel.org seethe about them so much.

>>717561147 (OP)
The people that spread and shill this game through word of mouth are fed up. All you have online are bots. Look at all these games with positive online buzz, Diablo 4 comes to mind, they are all heavily astroturfed but then forgotten within a couple weeks. Something like Pizza Tower which is a wario clone has more memorable and enjoyable moments then all of starfield, avowed, new aaa game, etc.

>>717561315
not him but I like it, just wouldnt say its a completely 'good game' its too janky tho enjoyable.

This is what happens when you hire white women and pocs for that dei bonuses.

>>717563051
Insane how Avowed is worse than Bethesda's worst game.

>>717561147 (OP)
Avowed was initially supposed to be some kind of multiplayer-only GAAS slop that was retooled into an RPG at the last second. Keeping that in mind, it's not even all that bad.

Starfield has no excuse. It was cooked for, what, seven years? They had all the time in the world, all the momey in the world, and at some time they should have noticed the game they were building was ugly as hell, boring as fuck, empty as the vacuum of space and not worth playing. I think Bethesda is just done as a company now, I don't think they can recover in terms of quality.

>>717567227
How many of the people who made those games are still at the studio, or capable writing on the same caliber they could 20 years ago.