Thread 717575349

>low IQ normalfags get filtered by the true ending and think it's a "REVENGE IS LE BAD" game
>it's actually about pursuing a path of higher understanding and breaking your enemies by showing then you've become better than them not just in skill, but also in wisdom, leaving them ashamed
Any more games that completely broke retards?

>>717575349 (OP)
I never got to the end because I'm bad at it

do you have an actual point to make, or is just an inflammatory attempt to make a sifu thread?
and the incredibly simple rebuttal to your incredibly simple bait is that (you) are can stab a motherfucker with no mercy

>>717575349 (OP)
Western therapy doesnt work on the Eastern Mind
the Western mind has no time for Eastern bullshit

kill a bunch of goons through the level using bats knives or straight out breaking limbs
reach boss
le forgive
WU DE

>>717576012
I refuse to engage with this kind of OP behavior anymore, it guarantees a total dogshit thread filled with drive by shitposts. I'd take a 15 reply thread that actually merits discussion and then falls off over whatever the fuck OP is after, I can't imagine being such a lonely friendless loser that I'd want to be screamed at by anonymous third worlders.

>>717576217
Sadly this is /v/ these days, something something thread making meta. There's so much bait that unless you also counterbait your on topic thread will be buried.

>>717576156
lmao

It's not that deep. The game is literally 'revenge is le bad' because in the revenge ending you can see Sifu's regret

Revenge is bad niggas when you get your revenge and feel perfectly fine and good about what you did:

>>717576217
When they say "sage in all fields", that means the comment itself as well.

>>717576156
You control what buttons to press
>>717576572
Partially because the good ending also involves seeing the full picture and that your dad was a shitty person, while your enemies (besides the first 2) were actually trying to do something good with their power and help people
>but they kill le child
Pretty sure it's Yang who leaves the amulet in your hand

>>717576768
The good ending is much deeper thats true, but its still a dumb ending because all the goons you can kill beforehand become irrelevant. Also I would say that some of the 5 dont deserve forgiveness and should just die, I do like the idea of beating your enemy so hard they submit to you, and the deeper worldbuilding in the characters were cool too. I fucking loved this game actually

>>717577645
>Kill
You can see enemies writhing on the ground being like "ooow my face"
You're just dishing out concussions and bruises if you're not using bladed weapons

i hate bosses that remove game mechanics as their gimmick

>>717575349 (OP)
WOO DUH

Any games that is "LE REVENGE IS GOOD"?

>>717576572
>sifu's regret
I will forever stand by the fact that it's fucking retarded they didn't add an optional 3rd ending where if you get through the entire game without dying once, thus still being age 20 and youthful, practically running the vengeance gauntlet that's traumatised you so deeply in mere days, your character wouldn't have that obnoxious fucking red "evil" lighting with a distressed look on his face like he's about to commit suicide right then and there in the normal ending, they can keep the "youre not worthy" shit whatever, but our character, having not given up or sacrificed anything compared to a typical run, still a fresh faced 20 year bloke with his whole life ahead of him and literally just put his demons to rest, should just be calm in the face, no panicked depressed hyperventilating breaths like the regular shit, let us see his pov, no red light, typical not worthy dialogue, he has no care for it because he just fucked up his and his own father's killers, simply takes a long relaxed inhale and closes his eyes to a cut to black

the regular ending is way too on the fucking nose rubbing your face into horse shit, I understand if you die too many times and its some 40 or 50 year old bloke having given up the prime of his life just for revenge, but as a reward and thematic sense, a 20 something deathless run should be given respect with an ending that acknowledges your character planned his rightful vengeance out, carried it out with finesse and is now able to fully process his grief with gratification of revenge

>but revenge wouldn't bring back his dad, he would still be sad and not over it etc"
says who dumb fuck, who the fuck preaches that bullshit other than faggot writers sniffing their own farts, if I kicked your dog to death you would feel pretty good stomping my skull into the curb, all the "vengeance is bad" tropes are about the cost of vengeance, thats why going deathless is why there should be a 3rd ending,, jobs done, go live

>>717578000
If they wanted to lock in, they would make it so you can't get the Wude ending if you progress after performing lethal actions against the mooks in a level.

This game and Nine Sols made me realize the Jedi in Star Wars are just taoists

>>717575349 (OP)
Here's some woo duh for you

>murders a father and brutally kills his defenceless child
>child grows up to exact revenge
>umm actually you have to forgive them, because they've forgiven themselves, see? they're living productive and great lives doing major things, owning massive companies and organisations, with out a care in the world, they've completely forgotten about you, so just forgive them okay? see how they call you immature and disregard your trauma and hatred during boss fights? that means they earned your forgiveness!!! forgive them! sure they all got off scot free and they're all moving forward in their lives doing major things, while still owning thugs and engaging in illegal activities, showing that they clearly don't give a shit about their actions, you still must be a real man and forgive them! if you don't you get a very bad ending with red light and sad rain and we tell you you're unworthy and basically shit all over you, forgive them! be a pacifist!! even though you clearly used a blade to chop and kill their hooligans and basic enemies, even though we give you clear execution style finishers on basic thugs, you must not harm the actual perpetrators!! revenge is never the answer!!

>>717575349 (OP)
>bro it's like my dance dance revolution guitar hero games but like instead of music or dancing it's le hecking awesome kung fu but with the world's shittiest animations done by sloppy AI

Why the fuck does anyone like this game? It's shit. I pirated it. I got to the end and thought to myself 'I still feel like my money was stolen'

>>717578381
> running the vengeance gauntlet that's traumatised you so deeply in mere days
i always thought we did? the time of day in each locations also changes accordingly. and our "aging" is the amulets effect, not like the enemies would wait for like 5 years for us to wake up and shit

>>717580492
>All of Sifu‘s gameplay has been meticulously animated by hand
From an interview with the animation director

>>717575349 (OP)
Sir Kepler is slop woke chink psyop shilled bots, you didn't hear?

>>717581008
I get that it is done 'by hand'
That doesn't mean it's not done by sloppy AI

Have you actually seen the shit?

>>717575349 (OP)
most of the bad guys are like human traffickers and drug dealers excuse me for not believing that they are convinced to change their ways just because kung fu man dabbed on them once and then let them go.

>>717575978
Same desu

>>717580214
The point is MC realizes his father was a piece of shit who basically left Yang's wife and child to die because he's a dogmatic raisin who can't see reason. He realizes that in the end Yang had a good reason to do what he did.

>>717581364
I felt like a genius when I realized that instead of using the leg sweep super move, I can just use the eye poke and they'll be stunned for a normal leg sweep after

>>717580948
i meant in the more literal sense, we gave up nothing but mere days as opposed to the decades you'd normally see at the end of a typical run

>>717581515
NTA but I don't remember that at all, I thought you just let them go because of some Taoist dogma about the greatest victory being your opponents knowing you can beat them the fuck up any time

>>717581364
I like all three

>>717581754
Yes, but that is after the MC gets the flashback fo Yang begging Sifu to save his wife and child.

>>717578381
I agree with every paragraph.
It's one of those sad reminders that video game writing is pretty weak most of the time, they had interesting ideas and concepts, and honestly the characters were fleshed out well too, but the story and how it handles 'revenge' is just plain poor

>>717581754
Yang's entire reason for going nuclear is that his wife and child were dying and the only way to save them was through the amulet, but Sifu's father wouldn't allow that. After killing him, he opens up his sanctuary where he uses his magical powers (presumably) for good, which is how he revived that bird, though apparantly people have disappeared in that place too.

>>717581364
I fucking love Sifu, I spent like 6 hours trying to speedrun no death no segments, but the game isnt that deep mechanically, the deepest thing in the game is trying to dodge the 3rd boss's blade attacks without being hit

>>717575349 (OP)
>leaving them ashamed
if I want them ashamed i'd just rape them

>>717583147
Why is "revenge is actually cool and good if you get it out of the way immediately" supposed to be better writing?

>>717581364
I just spammed attacks and still got to the true end tho

revenge is based and Im sick of pretending otherwise.

>>717578381
>all the "vengeance is bad" tropes are about the cost of vengeance
Because they can't actually refute the fact that vengeance for the aggrieved is the crux of justice and that some people do actually deserve to be heavily punished for their crimes.

good lord the amount of retards in this thread saying "revenge is good actually >:) " damn dude you have the most basic counter opinion to any "revenge bad" story, so heckn cool. read the Tao before commenting something so stupid. you can disagree with what its saying after that, but atleast you'll have experienced something beyond anime level depth in your life.

>>717578000
what about that one lady I hucked off the top floor of the museum

>>717575349 (OP)
potatoes, potatoes.

>>717585306
the tao is gay.
every functional society is built on using force to punish wrong doers, even your shitty chink ones. and if it fails to do that its the moral imperative to take matters into your own hand because at that point the state serves criminals rather than citizen.

>>717585546
why so resistant buddy? read it and form your own interpretation, its only 80 poems. but its not about structuring society but about structuring yourself. justice != revenge, even some hardass like you should know that. if you give a shit about society and criminal justice idk read confuciusart of war, they're more for that, though I never read those cause i dont really care about that right now. im in my glow up era brother. or you can keep with western philosophy that is obviously working so well

>>717585368
it's okay there was a cushion below

>>717586129
You can get revenge and execute justice at the same time.

>>717586129
>justice != revenge
wrong.

>>717584123
The entire game builds up Sifu's solo crusade vs his wrongdoers who murdered his father and destroyed his early life. He spent 8 straight years training and working out so he can begin. Then when he finally gets his revenge, he feels bad, because...?
There is literally nothing wrong with seeking revenge against those who have wronged you, especially to such a high degree (an eye for an eye), but the game doesnt go in depth to explain why Sifu has regret. Some of the 5 actually did harm to the city also so if anything he did something of a favour to it. Not only that, but Yang was something of a brother to Sifu also, so Yang ordering his death was straight up sociopathic.
A better ending would have been Sifu learning Yang & the crew's reasons, but this time it goes deeper and deeper instead of it being vague and getting hints and drops of it, you get to see the whole story, so when you kill Yang, it makes you wonder if you actually did the right choice or not. >>717578381 Also explains it well, how Sifu really has nothing to regret upon killing Yang if he didnt lose any life over it. The game's actual ending is simply poor

the "true" ending is just tacked on. clearly ran out of dev time.

>>717578000
that depends on the way you beat them
all takedowns leave the enemies completely motionless with blood splatters on the ground, and some of them involve things like slamming somebody's head against a wall or stabbing them

>>717581247
>female leverages her whole body to add force to roundhouse kicks like someone underweight would try to do in a fight

>>717575349 (OP)
>Devs moved on to live-service soccer shit
>No Sifu 2 or some other martial art shit ever again
Bros...

>>717587757
there are two endings one where all the bosses die, and one where they are spared and they are genuinely changed for the better. the former has no benfit over the latter. what is solved by taking a life when they can be beat into understanding their wrongdoings. he spent 8 straight years training and working towards a self centered end, revenge is the epitome of selfishness, never about justice. the two can happen simultaneously but revenge is entirely a personal experience. he had the talisman and chose to go down a violent path for selfish reasons, instead of doing what the bosses did and use it to better the world, sure they started that by commiting a bad act but atleast they turned around and by the true ending they have fully internalized the consequences of their initial act. meanwhile sifu uses the talisman like his father, as a personal gift only for his own ends. so the true path is to spend his time, and talisman, to teach the bosses about their wrong doing, and in turn bring about a better path, versus to extract senseless revenge without any betterment, besides the catharsis he hopes for. which is selfish, the entire reason his dad died

>>717588882
explain to me how someone being killed because they killed an innocent child, not justice

>>717589801
jesus christ read nigga, im not talking about what is and isnt justice, but about the people conflating revenge being good because it "can" inadvertently serve justice. weather or not someone deserves to die because they killed a kid isnt what im talking about. its about someone coming to peace through internal growth rather than relying on external factors to bring peace. the point is that if you are wronged and the wrong doer fucks off to mars, cant extract revenge, then you need to learn to be at peace without the need to see someone else punished. ofcource thats a very hard thing to do in extreme cases not denying that, but it is the better thing to do weather you like it or not. learn to overcome things through the only thing you can control which is yourself

>>717575349 (OP)
I just mod in Chun-li, and headcanon that it’s a prequel where she’s hunting down the thugs who killed her father, and eventually finds out they were in the employ of Bison the whole time, which sets the stage for her involvement in Street Fighter.

>>717590813
none of what you said applies to sifu though
revenge is an extremely realistic goal, the targets are right there, why shouldn't one act upon it if able, and the entire topic of this whole thread wasn't about whether or not revenge is inherently good, it was that revenge isn't inherently bad like sifu preaches alongside so many other games, so I don't know who you're talking to coming out the woodwork with this pedestal speak anon, you've ignored the argument and responded to your own

>that difficulty stalactite between tiger and dragon arenas
Were they trolling? That shit is so cursed. Like a Nexus joke mode.

>>717575978
>>717581424
You just need to persevere, I'm not very good but tried again and again and I did it

>>717575349 (OP)
I didnt even know there was a true ending

>>717588882
You missed my original point, which is that Sifu should have no regrets upon killing his wrongdoers because they destroyed his life, and the game shows no reason for him to even feel regret, which is what makes the revenge ending poor writing.
There is nothing wrong with Sifu going on to a killing spree to those who destroyed his life. His entire childhood was robbed, and everyone he knew, from his father, to his teachers, were all killed infront of him while he was helpless & powerless to do anything, this fuels a natural quest for revenge because he wants those who destroyed his life dead. I dont see anything wrong with this. Are you really telling me that if someone rolled over to your house, shot up your entire family while they were sleeping, and shot you too, but you end up surviving, and after all that you would still try to apply your philosophy to them?
The wude ending is in a way, 'objectively' better yes, but in my opinion it is flawed to treat one ending as "above" or "better" than the other. First of all the 5 did not 'internalize their consequences' it was only after Sifu whooped their asses, and it wasnt during the fight, or before it, it was After the fight, and after he nearly kills them too. If Sifu actually died fighting, they would never 'internalize their consequences'
Second of all, Sifu actually managing to humble them, is a force of nature move, not only would you need to completely dismantle your enemy, who is a lot more older, skilled, experienced and maybe stronger than you, but then you would need to hold yourself back through the adrenaline to not kill them, and then, after winning, you would stare at the eyes of those who destroyed your life, AND you would need actual charisma intelligence knowledge and skill to actually help them help you, we are talking literal maniacs like Fajar btw. This of course is a video game story so we can ignore it not being possible, but the wude ending is genuinely impressive if pulled off.

>>717576252
This, it's the same with Dragon Age Origins threads. Only the "Loghain did nothing wrong" threads catch on. Having threads automatically archived makes it literally unusable. This wasn't designed for the speed of /v/

>>717592290
In Sifu's vision, he can choose to either kill them all, and choose to start your own dojo, or go through one in a billion plan and 'save' them and start your own dojo. I would say that both endings are equal to one another and none of them deserve to be 'better' than one, because once the 5 die, Sifu can cleanse the city, and start his own future.
Remember that none of the 5 are innocent, and they are terrible human beings.
"revenge is the epitome of selfishnesss, never about justice" If you really want to go that way then all 5 need to be put to actual justice and go through trial, presumably where they would get prison for life, maybe Kuroki would survive. I said it before but there is really nothing wrong with selfishly pursing revenge in Sifu's case which is why the normal ending is poor and he should feel no regret upon doing so, unless of course, he loses out on his life while doing so. Do the 5 really deserve to live a normal life after Sifu humbled them, despite everything they did? Remember they murdered an entire dojo and who knows what they did during those 8 years, and if we go by the little snippets shown throughout the story, yeah its not good.

Games basic ass combat system is just Sekiro-like, it’s not hard, just another rhythm game, OP is a nigger loving faggot and should kill himself

>>717575349 (OP)
You can pursue a path of higher understanding and breaking your enemies by showing then you've become better than them not just in skill, but also in wisdom, leaving them ashamed and then kill them too.

>>717592576
OP will love you because you're the biggest nigger I've seen in the last ten minutes and you should kill yourself

>>717592576
Wrong, because Sifu's combat system is more advanced and has more mechanics than shitkiro.

>>717578381
>>717585280
I am glad to see that this website still has smart people on it.

>>717592576
>Sekiro-like
>timing a parry has never been done prior to 2019
bazinga nigger

>>717591228
idk what your trying to say here... are you saying that because revenge served what you preceive as justice, it was ok to kill the bosses. but the story shows that the bosses had the capacity to change by sparing them so, killing them was unnecessary, and not justified. i guess we can debate on what justice is, is it an eye for an eye, or is it a tool to lead the world into a better place. killing them would be an eye for an eye but deprives the MC of a better outcome for everyone
>>717592290
but he does have regrets, that is the story, its why its a kungfu game, not a gunning down the hood with a mac-10 game. he clearly does not enjoy killing, that is his nature. so when he knows there is another way, that does not involve killing and leads to a better future, but still gives in to his desires, that is a bad ending... now an MC with no remorse sure that would be an entirely different story, probably would not be using martial arts though. I do find the use of the bladed weapons incongruent with what the story is saying though ill admit that, no way anyones surving those executions. I kinda wish they weren't in there. and to your second point of it being a force of nature move, i think that is the point, he has a magic talisman and instead of using it to better the world, like the bosses inteded, he uses it selfishly like his father, he has the ability and means to do it and yet chooses the easy way out, because of his desire for revenge

>>717592427
Here's a real redpill, there is no justice in prison. Justice is equality. A murderer ends a life, justice is not allowing them to live the rest of their life in prison, it is ending their life in return.

>>717593601
Yes thats the thing, Sifu spent 8 years engineering his revenge and for a good reason, but after the deed is done, he feels regret for no apparent real reason. Its not even explained why, just a bad look and a sigh and thats that. Maybe who knows, he didnt feel regret, maybe he was just tired and needed to rest. Either way, the regret he feels is not natural which is a main point and why the revenge ending is poor. Example in Call of Juarez gunslinger, in the revenge ending where the MC spent right about 6 decades chasing revenge, feels regret for it because he wasted his entire life for it, and he even has an episode where he sees the ghosts of those who he killed.
If Sifu really wants to use his magic amulet for good, then either the 5 die, or go in prison for the sins they have done. There is no inbetween with this, they dont deserve to be forgiven in any way or scenario.
>because of his desire for revenge
Again, nothing wrong with this

>>717594335
Well its not like the rest of his life will be easy in prison or post prison where he'll be a convict. Also by killing them early, they suffer less than they would suffer more living a bad life

>>717595043
the thing I really like about how sifu shows the story is its one of the few games that actually ties gameplay functions with story. the only other game I can think of where the gameplay is part of the story is mgs2. what i mean is that the act of dying, and getting older, honing your abilities and permanetly unlocking them after enough training is part of the tale its telling, ontop of the sick, and short, cutscenes. i think you do break the story if you throw those out and just look at the cutscenes, the intent of the story is that sifu is old and tired and lost his life to the quest of revenge, and by the time you go on the second path, now its time to do it cleaner and harder. the self restraint is the challenge. though i kind of do see that it would be cool to have a third ending for the no death no mercy scenario, but i think its just somthing they didnt have time for or think of desu. and I dont know how you would tie that path into the themes of the game cause it is pretty incongruent, i dont think it could just be the same as the "true ending".
i guess its just that i see the complaint with sifu alot about it not glorifying revenge/violence when I think it does this story in the best way possible compared to the way other games tell their story. somthing like spec ops desrves the bashing it gets because the gameplay goes against the story its telling, sifu is the opposite but for some reason it gets flamed when i just find it sad that so many games split story up into boring ass cutscense, whereas sifu keeps it intresting by weaving the themes into all the gameplay mechanics, minus bladed weapons as i said but i think that just follows the rule of cool, cause they are really cool