Thread 717576818

>>717576818 (OP)
it doesn't matter, you fucking cheater
stop fucking cheating!

>>717576876
cheaters already circumvented it

>OVER 3 ms in one benchmark
it's over SecureBoot bros.... microsoft and ea fucked us

>>717576885
how would you know, cheater? they should lock you up and force you to eat TPM chips for breakfast

you cant even count a microsecond

>>717576927
its milliseconds

>>717576946
tomato tomata

>>717576876
>game runs and plays like such dogshit due to all of this new """security"""" no one wants to play it
Take that, cheaters! Now me and the 5 other people still playing this trash after a month can stop having 1% of our games ruined!

>>717576927
15 ms of input delay is really bad and noticable in a shooter or action game. Anything that requires fast reactions is fucked. Unless you circumvent it like >>717576885 said which will give you an unfair advantage even if you use 0 actual cheats.

Disable core isolation under windows security I guarantee Windows 11 would be equal with the tpm disabled results at the top.

>>717577094
bullshit cope

>>717576919
I love chips
they're making more ovenbaked chips nowadays and they're disgusting, only pringles does it well but those aren't made with actual potatoes

>>717577141
there are so many ways to lower input lag nobody does
disable dynamic tick
disable memory compression
change win32priority separation in regestry
enable msi mode on all of your drivers
increasing your fucking fps

>>717576818 (OP)
ITT: gaslighting .pdfs

>>717577476
How can I do all of those things? Is there a guide?

>>717577641
it's all straightforward you can google those things

I use this to enable MSI mode
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windows-line-based-vs-message-signaled-based-interrupts-msi-tool.378044/

>>717576818 (OP)
>[SAD NEWS]
Why do you always start your threads with this insincere garbage?

>doesn't even work
>increases input lag
>apparently fucks up and bricks shit
deserved
and none of you cocksuckers even fought back against devs enforcing W10 through DX12

>>717577068
Not defending secure boot, but 4ms difference? Really dude? I'm still 25k+ elo in CS and nut on zoomers and I'm playing with secure boot. Yeah that 4ms difference will turn me into a pro. LMAO

>>717576818 (OP)
Has nothing to do with Secureboot.

Disabling Secureboot disables several other security systems in the Windows kernel as well. Notably anything related to the kernel hypervisor, such as the core isolation security feature. And it's actually those that are adding the 3ms difference.

Also - it's 3 fucking milliseconds. Statistically irrelevant.
Humans have an inbuilt reaction delay of ~200ms between initial perception of anything popping up in our vision range, to our brains recognizing something has popped up, to being able to decide on a course of action (even purely reactionary on instinct), to our muscles actually responding.

>>717577914
4ms is the difference between 120 fps and 240 fps. if you cant notice the difference between 120 fps and 240fps thats on you

>>717576818 (OP)
Secure boot does nothing after windows loads
It shouldn't increase latency

>>717577953
>Disabling Secureboot disables several other security systems in the Windows kernel as well. Notably anything related to the kernel hypervisor, such as the core isolation security feature. And it's actually those that are adding the 3ms difference.
Prove it. Show the receipts.

>>717576818 (OP)
Windows 11 requires TPM and most motherboards these days ship with Secure Boot turned on by default, so you'd think if it was such a big issue that it would've been noticed in the last 4 years that Windows 11 has been available.

>>717578084
Most people don't notice shit until they're informed about it.

>>717578084
>Windows 11 requires TPM
no it doesn't
>most motherboards these days ship with Secure Boot turned on by default
no they don't ("other OS" means disabled)

there was an issue with ryzen processors and their fTPM when you disabled it but that's an intel cpu, how could this happen?

>>717578084
>Windows 11 requires TPM
It doesn't. It only "needs" it during installation, and even in then you can skip the requirements either via the CMD or buy using something like Rufus when creating a USB boot drive.

>>717578370
Oh no no no intcel xisters how do we recover?

>>717578370
>there was an issue with ryzen processors and their fTPM
There still is on ZEN3 and earlier. They've released multiple BIOS updates but it fixes fuck all.

>>717576876
how can he cheat with all this new spyware?

>>717577887
it just gets better and better

>>717577887
And yet they'll keep forcing shit on us despite that.

>>717576818 (OP)
I have that tpm shit disabled, I love win 10 ltsc.

I never gave secure boot more than a cursory glance
Didn't know it had a performance impact
Guess I'll turn it off

why dont we have 0ms everything yet
ping
latency
pong

>>717581037
and you blindly trust youtube?

>>717577068
No the fuck it's not noticeable. The remastered versions of Bayonetta for PS4/XB1 has around 80ms more input lag than the original and no one noticed, not even DF bothered to test it when they reviewed the game

>>717577993
Enabling secure boot had an adverse affect on some AMD mobos and CPUs though, commonly linked to microstutter.
But this was patched with an AGESA update by AMD ages ago.

>>717577970
>dude, bro, i have a QUARTER of an frame of extra delay when playing 60 FPS that's the reason why i suck!

>>717577970
Non-sequitur.

Noticing the difference between 120 FPS and 240 FPS relates to perceiving continuity of motion.
Noticing a 3~4ms longer input delay relates to action-reaction time between initial perception of an object entering field of vision, the brain realizing, and the muscles being able to respond.

Totally different and unrelated.

>>717577970
you're trolling you idiot
>BRO MY 390MS REACTION IS NOW 394MS ILL NEVER BE PRO!!!!

>>717578273
>no it doesn't
Yes - it officially does.

Currently Windows 11 still functions if you install it with any of the known bypasses, but Microsoft is closing off the bypasses one by one; and has begun to issue warnings to end-users that use them, to revert to Windows 10 because they do not guarantee Windows 11 will continue working for them.

In other words: they're preparing for the moment where it will shift from a soft listed requirement into an actual hard requirement without which Windows 11 will refuse to boot.

>>717582347
As an old man I'm really jealous of you triple digit reaction time people

>>717582148

80 ms of input lag is beyond noticeable, gramps, your reaction time is fucked.

>>717576818 (OP)
This would probably be worth it if it actually worked. Too bad it doesn't, just like every other anti cheat in existence.

>>717581838
they don't want to see us happy
who are 'they' you might ask? you already know

>>717576818 (OP)
Holy fuck

>>717576818 (OP)
Stop cheating asshole and we wouldn't have to do this

>>717576818 (OP)
Why are "people" too retarded to take actual screenshots of the topic they wanna talk about?
Is it marketing or pure retardation?

The reason to use secure boot to prevent cheaters has already become obsolete with the open beta. Now how are they gonna stop the cheaters now?

>>717585420
People will never stop cheating and this will not stop cheaters. Stop punishing regular players to pay lip service to non-solutions to cheaters.

>>717585778
Riot did a fantastic job with Vanguard, it cost them over 10 million but it works, EA are just too cheap and lazy to make a good fucking anti-cheat tool

>>717585931
>vanguard
>fantastic job
Valorant still has cheaters and now all of the cattle who installed kernel-level anticheat are at risk with any security vulnerabilities of the program.
I say again that people will never stop cheating and this will not stop cheaters. Stop punishing regular players to pay lip service to non-solutions to cheaters.

>>717581838
most people dont care, just look at this thread, plenty of people say 4ms is unnoticable. back in the mid 2000s people would call you insane if you said vsync causes notricable input lag. standard vsync causes over 30ms of input in many games but the niggercattle seriously dont even notice

just download chit for secure boot xam

>>717585480
>actual screenshots
whats wrong with it

>>717583320
anon
cool it off

>>717582347
>390MS
How are you even able to function normally is beyond me.
Picrel is my reaction time currently at my office with a shitty 60hz monitor.
If you get 390ms on a gaming pc you better off stop playing at this point.

>>717585420
People are already cheating in BF6. You losted.

>>717587191
holy lel

>>717587000
sorry trips-sama

>>717587115
heh... not bad kid
however...

>AAAAAAA 3 WHOLE MILLISECONDS

autism thread

>>717587349
stfu I was not paying attention and did it mindlessly.

>>717587191
>battlecucks installed a rootkit for this
oh no no no

>>717587551
Anon-sama... I kneel...

>>717587115
I feel like that test honestly doesn't mean shit
This requires you to consciously react while you're in chilling mode while with games you're more or less in the zone and aim off autopilot

>>717587191
this webm is going to be spammed in every battlefield thread for the next month lol

>>717587551
I'm 37 btw.

get on my level.

>>717577068
15ms is not even a single 60hz frame. nobody can notice that. 2-3 frames, sure. but not just one.

>>717578273
>no it doesn't
it's in the official requirements and I specifically run my machine with tpm off so windows updated does not install win11 without my consent.

yes, you can circumvent it, you can also circumvent the requirement of an MS account, but it's not the official requirement.

>>717587115
>>717587349
>>717587551
>>717588010
>>717588260
Y'all need help, I'm almost 35 for fucks sake

>>717588395
cattle

>>717588618
Lmao you're slow.

>>717588618
>one-time score
post average

>>717576818 (OP)
>>717576876
Its no use, nigger-adjacent races (BRICS) have cheating ingrained in their subhuman dna. They literally have a biological need to cheat in everything they do.

>>717588723
And you wonder why humanbenchmark has kernel-level anticheat

feels good not to play multiplayerslop

>average sub 1 kd /v/tard worrying about 3ms input latency
lmao

You're not gonna notice fucking 4ms you retards.

>>717588789
Western civilization is the biggest cheats in the entire existence of humanity

>>717590376
brown hands typed this post

I am about to install w11 later. I dont want to do it but win10 support is over and no linux is NOT an option. I use that shit at work its not fun and its not good.

>>717576818 (OP)
TPM 2.0 always makes my PC stutter a shitton for some reason, but atleast Win11 works with it disabled and you only really need to enable it for updates. No way I'm playing this shit if that's really a requirement.

>>717576818 (OP)
i can't imagine being so stupid you think cheating in a toy justifies letting video game developers have kernel mode access to your hardware
actual real world security concerns don't even justify security vendors doing this kind of shit in a lot of cases
but letting video game developers, people too stupid to make it in tech, have level of access to your machine where they not only have total access to see literally everything, they have a level of write access that can result in bricked hardware if they make the wrong mistake in the wrong place, or even worse a vector for malware to get access to kernel mode

people who defend this shit are unironically subhuman and should be culled
the sanctity of online gaming matches is worth exactly zero

>>717577068
It's 4ms of difference, not 15, learn to read the chart. It's placebo tier to say you can feel a difference.

>>717577953
>Humans have an inbuilt reaction delay of ~200ms between initial perception of anything popping up in our vision range, to our brains recognizing something has popped up, to being able to decide on a course of action (even purely reactionary on instinct), to our muscles actually responding.
anon it sounds like you think this means input delay of up to 200ms would be inconsequential
even if we had a native delay of 200 ms (we don't), any input delay is added on top of it. so we would still be talking about a difference between 200 and 203, which is not nothing.

>>717578009
>Disabling Secureboot disables several other security systems in the Windows kernel as well.
Good. I didn't need these "security systems" 20 years ago, I don't need them now.

>>717590650
Not an argument, study history

>>717576876
SAAR YOU ARE CHEATING YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTERD

>>717576818 (OP)
Everyone knows that each succeeding windows is slower than the last
That's why they have higher system cope requirements

>>717588789
>give us kernel level access to your computer or uh.. you're brown!!!

>>717578084
>modern mobos have secure boot on by default
Why lie?

>playing online games
Not played once in over a decade.

>pctroons confirmed as tech illiterate schizoids with terabytes of CSAM on their ssd
lmao

>>717594974
>he forgot the Sony guy being exposed for being a pedo

>>717578084
Wrong on both accounts

>>717576818 (OP)
BREAKING NEWS

BATTLEFIELD HAS ALWAYS BEEN GARBAGE

>>717576818 (OP)
Isn't it funny how linux doesn't have this problem even with wayland being an slow mess?
But I guess people ought to use the michaelsoft wangblows 11...

>>717587803
>he thinks its just one
I ran into rage aimbotter already within 11 hours of gameplay on EU servers lol. Those are just clips people bothered to webm.

>>717576876
Cheating is good, it kills the retarded randomass multiplayer trash and force you to make friends.
Also AI players are unavoidable.
Machines that just look at the screen and send surrealistically good inputs.
We already have this.

Stop sending the position data of players that are not visible.

>>717576818 (OP)
At least that's infinite times faster than what you get on Linux. LMAO

>>717598789
Xonotic probably gets that down to under 1ms.
But you would never know because quake like games are not made for kids that need auto aim.

>>717582326
The perception is useless the difference in end-to-end latency is used by your brain.

>>717577094
>Disable core isolation under windows security
Well isn't that the whole point here? EA wants you to enable this extra security and will try to stop you if you don't.

>>717576818 (OP)
>look at my fake graph from some youtube random
Great.

>>717576818 (OP)
>tech yes city
>comic sans in orange part of image
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>717576818 (OP)
OY VEYYYYY delete this, anti-semite!
You should be grateful that you get to play the game at all you bigot!

>>717591830
TPM is just a DRM chip that makes your computer betray you. never use that shit.

>>717594389
Yes. Only brownies and incels fear kernel-level anti-cheat.

>>717587191
>>717597364
BROS I THOUGHT SECURE BOOT WOULD STOP THIS!!

>>717604502
your mother has DRM: dick riding month

>>717605020
You're here because your mother took a dick.
holefully.

>>717576927
you wouldn't download a second

The PS5 doesn’t have this problem

>>717605241
well yeah there are no games

>>717605154
no I am a lab grown freak from a plastic bag and they fitted me with autism, schizophrenia, tourettes and adhd

>>717605241
Yeah no need to argue about the leash when you spend your whole life locked up in the cage

What is secure boot and TPM?
Google results only say vague bullshit

>>717605641
nothing that provides value for the average computer user

>>717605641
TPM: a dedicated chip on your motherboard that stores encryption keys
Secure Boot: prevents booting operating systems and loading drivers that aren't signed with these keys

>>717605641
on by default on every modern PC, even android and iPhone
only schizos and poor 3rd worlder have anti-vaxx theories about it
borderline sub 80 IQ skinwalkers will say it's a DRM but it only keeps cheaters and viruses out
>inb4 called redditors, glowie, shill or bootlicker
take the fucking schizophrenia meds, your illness is associated with loss of brain matter with age

>>717606430
+1 bing point added you your account

>>717606430
>but it only keeps cheaters and viruses out
Both of those are already proven false

>>717605241
I tried to divide the number of Switch 2 exclusives by the number of PS5 exclusives and the calculator kept saying undefined for some reason

>>717578084
How can I notice it if I a, still on Windows 10? I probably will not notice it in the future too as there just is no reason to change.

>>717585420
>implying this is for improving your experience and not a collab between EA and MS to force everyone into their botnet

>>717606430
why is the 3rd world so supperior to the first world? the 3rd world is starting to be where i want to go and live. for real. do they have age verification in the 3rd world as they do in the UK? Are their women needy bitches as white women are? Even the jeets do not want to stay there. Salaries are also now almost equal with many of the so called 1st world countries fire-ing their shit workers and employeeing people form the 3rd world....

I get that may 30 years ago it was very offensive to be called a 3rd worlder, but now the word just means "free"

>>717596852
Linux has worse 1% lows and lower average fps to be fair.

this game isn't very fun so you aren't missing anything

conquest mode is a shell of its former glory

>PC cucks have to fiddle with bios settings to play games
So glad I sold mine for a PS5

you think battlefield normalfags give a single fuck about that
they don't even know what it means

>>717600192
Anon, the human brain can't even sample and predict changes in movement patterns taking place in a shorter timespan than iirc 11ms, because that particular part of the human brain is literally hardwired to an 11Hz clockspeed. This is so profoundly outspoken a fact of human physiology that you can literally see it show up as a distinct wave in EEGs.

>>717607771
>thinking the UK isn't third-world.
Cute.

>>717609004
how do I overclock my brain to achieve faster response time

>>717577887
99% of players are okay with it, so it's a (You) problem

>>717609120
ok, i agree but can tyou tell which country is first world? I can tell you that my country is probably 3rd world too, but like 2,5rd world really. I still do not know what is this 1st world country everyone is posting from and calling us 3rd worlders

>>717576818 (OP)
I just disabled Core Isolation and Secure Boot out of curiosity and the difference in latency is big.

>>717576818 (OP)
That's a small price to pay for having PoC in the game

>>717577887
people only chimpout when it is the chinese owned one. when EA does it it is fine. they can't comprehend that kernel lvl anti-cheat is bad no matter who does that

>>717605641
>Google results only say vague bullshit
Because that's what it is. The TPM tech has existed for decades now and has always been shunned as only hypothetically useful. And the secure boot only protects you if you're REALLY fucking with your pc and are a complete idiot. But nothing a quick reinstall wouldn't fix.
Everything those two things "protect you from" is fixed with just setting a password to your BIOS.

>>717577914
This stuff adds up. The difference in UI latency between a modern computer and even a 2000s era computer is ridiculous. A lot of that is modern displays, of course, but the software stack has problems too.

>>717606430
Go away glowie. Microsoft will NOT get my data.

>>717596512
Not always. Just for longer than you've been alive.

>>717588618
>>717588938
these are prefires. the very best human results are in the 140ms range.

>>717610226
Yeah, the human eye can't see above 500ms anyway.

>>717588723
Imagine not being a precog

>>717577068
>>717577914
The thing is, there are so many sources of "4ms" input latency that it adds up to be a lot in the end

>>717606430
decent bait. You provoked some good responses but failed to start a back-and-forth flame war. 6/10