Thread 717590589

Why don't they treat their fans/customers like shit?

Would Valve be where they are now if they didn't do lootboxes and virtual economy? You could defend the latter but not the former.

They make enough money, and don't have to answer to retarded investors that want growth targets

>>717590589 (OP)
Nothing pays more than having a good reputation

>>717590589 (OP)
Blueballing them constantly for not making more games or fixing their existing games is enough torture for them.

>>717590589 (OP)
By not making games any more

>You don’t own anything
Who says they don’t?

>>717590589 (OP)
They treat their customers lower than dirt.

Steamies/troonixers are somehow lower than snyoggers

>>717590589 (OP)
They do.

For some bizarre people just pretend they don't.

Reminder, Valve fought furiously against having to give refunds in court. They were the last of the online platform to finally agree to it. After being fined. And then after getting finally agreeing to do what was legally required of them they then had to balls to go to court and say "Fine. We're doing it now. So we shouldn't have to pay that fine for forcing you to drag us kicking and screaming into doing it, right?" to which the court rightly told them to go fuck themselves. Also, this fine they fought so hard against paying was a measly $3 million dollars. That's like 0.01% of their yearly profit.

Yeah, sure, until Visa and Mastercard come along, eh?

>>717590589 (OP)
They are not a public corporation. As such, they don't have shareholders obsessed with doing the same thing their competitors are doing no matter what. I can fully guarantee you they would have started pushing a paid subscription to play online a long time ago if they weren't privately owned.

>>717592914
The shareholders of private companies tend to have a much greater say in what the company does than the shareholders of public companies.

>>717590589 (OP)
Valve DOES treat their fans like shit, just look at TF2fags. Hell they even gave a middle finger to L4Dfags by letting the community make that shitty Last Stand update.

>>717593074
So they're shit for supporting games that came out nearly 20 years ago?

>>717593314
Adding a bunch of awful, trashy cosmetics and unoptimized payload maps to TF2 is hardly "supporting" it. L4D on the other had isn't supported by Valve at all. Last Stand was entirely made by the community and it's widely regarded as the worst update L4D2 ever got due to how shit the campaign was, how shit the Pitchfork, Shovel, and CS weapons are, the removal of laughing and taunting in Versus, and many of the re-added lines (Especially laughs) being really shit takes that were initially cut for a reason.

>>717592998
Gaben owns more than 50% so he's still the one doing the calls, compared to having to following the whims of retarded boomers who just want line going up as fast as possible and have no clue about anything. Just look at SNOY announcing they are doubling down on GAAS even after their attempts have all failed and everyone telling them to fuck off, Valve would have done the same shit with paid mods if they were public. Hell, Bethesda kept going with that idea to this day.

Valve cultist thread

>>717593613
>they are doubling down on GAAS
You mean like valve for 15 years?

>>717592185
Exactly this. People have some bizarre nostalgia-induced blinders on when it comes to Valve. They remember the glory days of HL2 and orange box era and just ignore how anti-consumer they've been for over a decade. Like yeah, refund system now exists, but it took legal action in multiple countries just to make them comply with basic consumer protection laws. You'd think a company that makes money hand over fist through hats and fake gun skins would have the decency to not fight common sense consumer rights with that level of ferocity. But nah, gotta set a precedent that even the bare minimum is too generous.

>>717590589 (OP)
false. i am currently community banned and being treated like shit

>>717590589 (OP)
Privately held company so no reason to squeeze customers in order to meet quarterly targets for some big bonus or to make shareholders happy.

>>717592185
Alright, I guess no one is perfect, but ignoring how much pro-consumer Valve has been is not right.

>>717592185
>Valve fought furiously against having to give refunds in court
as they should. and the courts did their job.
what are you complaining about?

>>717590589 (OP)
No jewholders

TF2GODS... how do we tell him?

>>717591667
Honestly, it's kind of poetic. They created a bunch of iconic franchises, built an empire off of them, and now treat them like old toys collecting dust on a shelf. Meanwhile, the fans-desperate and foaming-keep the memory alive, constantly begging for scraps. Valve doesn’t even have to lift a finger. They just sit there, rake in cash from the marketplace, and laugh as people still pray for HL3 or a new TF2 update that isn’t just 20 new hats and a reskinned Dustbowl.

>>717594072
>as they should.
Explain how thats treating their customers well then like the point of the thread

How was Gaben able to keep Valve a private employee owned company after all these years?

>>717594176
they are the company they are because of the actions they take. the services they provide are great and are extraordinarily pro-consumer, so the actions they've taken along the way must necessarily have been good for me.

>>717594072
>as they should
No, it was a complete waste of time and money. Nobody else tried to fight it. Even EA didn't fight it.

The law was very clear on this and has been around for decades. It's not changing anytime soon. Valve, for some reason, just thought the law doesn't apply to them. That legal strategy did not work out well for them. Also, penalties for breaking the law don't tend to get remitted because after you break the law you agreed to follow it from now on. It's just expected you follow the law. It was incredibly arrogant and obnoxious for them to behave the way they did.

>>717594382
Cultist response

>>717594365
Companies go public to raise capital. Valve prints money with steam and lootboxes so they don't need to sell shares to raise capital. It's not some grand mystery.

>>717594365
he left microsoft becasue he didn't like where it was heading and ever since he did things his way

>>717594490
So name a single better digital storefront in all of gaming. I'll wait.

>>717594547
Easy. GOG.

Offline installers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> online only

>>717594607
sure, but they don't attract nearly as many publishers, which is a failure on their part.
i buy every game on GOG if it's available on both platforms. unfortunately they rarely are.
>>717594490
>service is good
>i call service good
>you get upset
huh

>>717594786
>they do something bad
>BUT THAT CANT BE BAD CAUSE SERVICE GOOD
lmao cultist, paid mods good too cause valve supported it right :^)

>>717594881
there is no paid mods on steam, workshop is free

>>717593074
They should pull the plug on TF2, copyright strike and communitranny revival project, and officially shelve the IP.

>>717594167
And why is this bad? Quality over quantity. If they can't make something good, better not to do anything at all.

For instance, have you seen how the modern Halo and Gears of War games pretty much fail in the same ways, only because they want to just milk these franchises?

they need to fix their (((payment processor))) situation. if valve does not stand up to them and allow any legal games then I don't feel like a valve fan anymore. why even pay for games then

>>717594881
i don't understand. do you think refunds are bad?

>>717595092
Valve FOUGHT to not have refunds retard, do you believe a pro consumer company would do that

>>717595058
>if valve does not stand up to them
I don't think Valve has a lot of weight to throw around here. They may be the biggest game store in the world but the payment processors do fucking everything and Steam is just a very, very, very, very small blip for them.

>>717595208
but steam has a great refund system, so valve must be doing something right.

>>717590589 (OP)
you're supposed to stop chasing money once you reach infinite wealth, capitalism creates the incentive to keep growing for the sake of growing which is literally what cancer is. private companies dont have the incentive to become cancerous and so they dont.

>>717595221
but you can already buy steam credits at almost any store without involving them
do normalfags really need to pay transaction fees to visa/mastercard for every little thing

>>717595208
The amount of games Gabe has let me rent for 2 hours is astronomical

>>717592185
When the hell was this? Im pretty sure steam has had refunds for ages

>>717590589 (OP)
But they do.
As they do to developers.

>>717594607
If GOG were anywhere near as popular as steam it would get infinitely more shit especially for stealing fan patches for old games and then selling it

>>717595372
>having a digital store function by buying irl giftcards to purchase games
>implying the duopoly wont also block paying for steam gift cards

>>717595783
Refunds came in around 2015 which is about when they were fined. Up until then they flat out refused any refunds for any reason.

>>717590589 (OP)
TF2 is in appalling state
>but muh old game who cares
if you are offering a product and purchases inside it you should be able to provide actually playable experience

>>717597712
Trannytroons and jeets have done far more damage to that game than Valve

>>717597850
you know valve really enabled them if anything ( look at user generated content accepted into the game )

>>717595873
Yeah, and they bleed both sides dry while acting like the neutral middleman. Devs get squeezed with 30% cuts, then buyers are pushed into microtransactions and trash monetization schemes to cover it. Valve didn’t build an empire off charity, they just dressed it up better than EA.

>>717590589 (OP)
>gabe openly admitted that the only reason for steam original was to force people to require a cdkey that could only be used once so he wouldn't lose money on people loaning their friends their copy of it or buying it secondhand

They were never pro-gamer

They do.

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>717594981
Absolutely. Halo and Gears are textbook cases of what happens when a franchise becomes a quarterly earnings bullet point instead of a creative project. They’re not making sequels anymore, they’re drafting content roadmaps and monetization funnels. If you’re not innovating or at least staying true to the core of your series, just let it rest. Studios used to believe in the “leave them wanting more” philosophy-now they leave us wanting the old devs back.

>>717594365
>made money with half life
>used it to make steam
>put their games on steam to cut out the middle man
>third parties jumped on
The rest is history. At the time most other companies (like epic) were moving away from PC. Gabe put his eggs in the right basket early on and it paid off

>>717600145
>Devs get squeezed with 30% cuts, then buyers are pushed into microtransactions and trash monetization schemes to cover it.
>Acting like Valve is unique in this
>>717601428
>put their games on steam to cut out the middle man
Steam was originally built as fancy updater for their games

>>717590589 (OP)
They make almost all the money in the world by doing absolutely nothing. They're simply smart enough to not do something dumb to get the rest.

Valve is just a less shitty Microsoft and people STILL think that they're the company that made hl2 and that gabe is this wholesome figure. I'm grateful for steam and the games they developed but the dick riding of them is insane.

>be Gaben
>be disheartened by the monopoly of big wig companies jewing the consumer and taking creative control over projects
>make your own company with other talented developers
>make games that aren't shit
>support them long term
>make your own digital storefront and work at it for years to make it a household name
>own 50% of your own company and give the other 50% to your employees through stock compensation to make them feel as responsible and involved to retain your talent
>make your own engine so you can maintain that private ownership with complete creative control
Bethesda USED to have this same sentiment. Reminder that Skyrim was developed by about 100 people. Which is a ludicrously small dev team for a game of that scale.

>>717601428
And I still can't name a single flaw of Steam that is Valve related. Only the community hub has flaws because of the absurd amount of tranny troonaloons that happen to play vidya. Product wise, its the GOAT.

>t. Never been denied a refund in 10 years

>>717590589 (OP)
Because they're not publicly listed. Dodge vs Ford was a cataclysmic event.

>roughly 300 employees work at Valve
>over 90% of the employees from 2003 are still working there (retain their talent by not being swarmy Jews)
>Valve makes nearly $6.5b annually
>EA has nearly 14,000 employees
>EA makes nearly $7b annually

Valve just brutally mogs this industry.

>>717603173
Valve and steam aren't perfect by any means, but people have no clue how bad it could get
When gabe passes we all better hope it doesn't get sold off

>>717591051
I haven't heard a single argument against lootboxes to be honest.

>>717594365
He's a fat leech rent-seeker that steals 30% of every transaction on PC.

>>717604004
Because you can sell the shit you get for """real""" money. Unlike other lootboxes.

>>717603603
Valve doesn't make all their money from making amazing games that everyone wants to buy. They make all their money from selling games made by other people and kids gambling.

>>717604197
I spent so much money to get the retarded Skeleton King Arcana from that one Dota 2 battle pass. I said years ago they would monetize his original design and it wasn't just cowtowing to Blizzard and now I'm cucked to shit because I fucking hate Wraith King.

>>717604197
>They make all their money from selling games made
Rev sharing and helping make good games is based anon
>by other people and kids gambling.
Shit parenting isn't my concern

>>717594936
BASED BASED BASED

>>717594936
>>717607694
Tranny scum kys

>>717608092
tf2 dying is a noose that kills the tranny buddy, nobody will fall for that

>Added broken matchmaking to tf2 as a kneejerk reaction to overwatch
>This allowed bots to infest every server
>Let the game rot while infested with bots for like 7 years
>Only got fixed when a CONTRACTOR asked valve if he could work on the game IN HIS SPARE TIME after he tried playing tf2 with a friend and found out it was unplayable

>>717608092
Don't you have any kids to groom?

>>717608170
The trannies are trying everything to sink tf2 since it's one of the few online game to not have ANY kind of moderation you are just playing into their hands you retards.

>>717608376
>it's one of the few online game to not have ANY kind of moderation
Every Valve game is like that retard

>>717608351
stfu discord troon go suck some cock on overwatch

>>717608471
>every valve game
So Dota 2, CS2 and TF2 ? okay retard

>>717608376
>trannies are connected directly with game development ( joshua ashton as valve contractor )
>workshop content being added into the game is almost entirely emporium tranny stuff
they are not trying to sink it, they want to make it theirs and be recognised as just that
anyways if you play modern tf2 in 2025 you are retarded and beyond saving because anyone with shred of integrity dropped the game in 2010 already

>>717608590
>instead of fighting back im just going to let them win
see how far thats get you irl moron

>>717608471
This. I say the nigger word in Counter Strike all the day consequence free

>>717608646
you are not really fighting them by screeching at me like a woman on basket weaving forum but whatever makes you feel better little man

>>717608696
I don't have time to play with a bunch of defeatist cucks
Good luck in whatever the fuck you do in life

>>717608834
newfags like you never cease to amaze me

>>717608873
>sir I am fighting the based meme culture war sir
I miss when you could tell underages to fuck off

Remember that time when Valve let Steam get flooded with scam games and then went to court to fight against refunds? That was pretty cool

Remember when I was told to hate Valve ot菜erwise its a betrayal of 我把my country EGS NUMBER (味的家常菜) ONE 的白菜猪肉人感到很舒服!!!!

>>717604189
That’s what makes it actual gambling unlike gacha. kids are actually doing it for the money