>>717592643 (OP)
BF1 was the game that started the downfall of Battlefield, it was a game designed for lowest common denominator in mind and once DICE got the smell of money they dumbed down their games more and more with each iteration. Only exception was BFV unironically, BFV was a course correction from the mistakes of BF1 but 2042 and BF6 are just iterations of BF1.
>>717593864
Every Battlefield game is better than that disaster. 2042 mogs it hard. 6 couldn't even get the foundation of good gunplay right and it's the final nail in the coffin for the franchise.
>>717594462
I happen to think 1, 5, and 2042 are all good games. I used to hate 1 though because it had terrible gunplay. 6 is so much worse though that it makes me appreciate it. We truly don't know how good we had it with 2042 though, it's the closest to how 1942 and 2 felt in scale.
>>717595183
Wrong. 6 is significantly worse than 2042. 2042 had great gunplay, 6 has the worst of any shooter ever made and is unplayable. 2042 has great maps that are designed for both vehicles and infantry, 6 has awful maps that are tiny and made exclusively for close quarters infantry. There is no comparison, 2042 was true to Battlefield and 6 is just the Temu version of nu-COD
>>717594878
It literally added tall-objects vaulting mechanic that was missing from the previous games and fixed the awful, spastic movement abuse from BF4.
And explosives spam has almost always been a thing in those games.
>>717597270 >And explosives spam has almost always been a thing in those games.
Not in BFV or 2042 since you can just throw grenades back. BF6 also removed that ability you can't throw grenades back anymore.
>>717592643 (OP)
If BF1 didn't have the retarded RNG spread of counter-strike flattening the skill ceiling and sweet-spot sniper rifle damage ranges, this would have been a 10/10 Battlefield game. Those things alone dropped it to maybe a 6.5/10. It could have been considered a classic if it had BFV gunplay mechanics.
>>717599385
DICE is retarded, they think dumbing down the gameplay will make people play the game more but that's not the case, if there is nothing to learn then no one will play the game after 30 hours. Having no skill ceiling doesn't attract people it just makes the game boring.
>>717598941
Agreed, 1 has 10/10 atmosphere and some good maps but absolutely terrible gunplay that makes it very shit to actually play. 5 was perfect, best gunplay and class synergy in the series. And tragically 6 is back to having terrible RNG recoil and spread again so it's even worse than 1.
>>717599304 >Hitscan, no bullet drop, one shot sweet spot
what why? the bullet travel is what's fun about sniping because at those distances you actually notice the drop and the time
>>717600038 >aim at something >bullet doesn't go where you aim
fuck you nigger, add height over bore but don't just add randomness to a skill based game you fucking cuck
>>717596157
Lmao fair, at least you could actually aim in 2042 without your reticle drifting off like you’re fighting poltergeists. Meanwhile in 6, it feels like the devs forgot what a deadzone even is. You line up the perfect shot just for your soldier to wobble like he’s got a stroke. Glad someone remembers when aim mechanics weren’t completely cooked.
>>717599304 >Spread is essential in Battlefield
No it's not. Recoil, RPM, damage dropoff, projectile/bullet drop are all *plenty*. There is no need to add randomization on top of that, unless your goal is to kill the skill ceiling so shitters can enjoy the game.
>>717600259
6 needs aim assist. Genuinely. It's unplayable on controller without it and unplayable on PC due to secure boot and the very intrusive anti-cheat.
>>717600142
He's lying or misinformed. BF6 sniping is not hit scan. There's something really off about it but they are projectile. They also added in all the stupid crosshair/sway inaccuracy shit that MW2019 introduced to lower the skill ceiling.
>>717600560 >recoil has a set pattern
it doesn't have to
spread aka bloom is random deviations from your aim point when firing, even single shots don't necessarily go where you aim
that's bad
>>717600530 >>717600621
Imagine getting assblasted over a mechanic that's essential to have fun in Battlefield and that mechanic has been in literally every single fucking Battlefield for a reason. Your favorite BF had spread. BF2 had spread, BF3 had spread, BF4 had spread, BF1 had spread, BFV had spread. Spread is fucking essential otherwise there is no skill gap in gunplay, just full auto beam someone from 120 meters with no issues. >>717600669 >>recoil has a set pattern >it doesn't have to
So... Spread?
>>717600506
Competent devs are expensive. They're retrofitting "quality assets" from pajeets and interns on an engine iteration that was designed for battle royale initially. Go take a look at screenshots of 2042 and you can see what happened.
>>717600762 >>>recoil has a set pattern >>it doesn't have to >So... Spread?
no they are not the same you fucking retard
bloom is inherent inaccuracy when firing
recoil is the movement of the barrel/aim point such that subsequent shots won't be aimed at the same spot if you don't let the gun settle first
have you never played a fucking video game before?
>>717600762 >a mechanic that's essential to have fun in Battlefield
It's only essential for shitters, as we've already established. It's like giving an incel like you stilts and forcing NBA players to play on their knees to level the playing field.
>>717600898
Have you? There is a reason why people call recoil patterns as patterns, because those patterns are same every single time, UNLESS there is spread. Look at any CoD recoil pattern. They are 100% same because there is no spread in CoD. If you try to do that in BF or CS you will see deviations in that pattern, that's spread. >>717600962
If there is no spread I'm beaming you from 200 meters with an AR in full auto lil bro, you will cry and shit your pants over it.
>>717600762 >mechanic has been in literally every single fucking Battlefield for a reason
And that reason is to protect bad players. It's why games like Counter-Strike took off in popularity. People were tired of getting their throats stepped on by skilled players in Quake, so they migrated to a safe space where randomness heavily influenced the outcome of engagements.
For every 1 skilled player there are 20 players at risk from quitting the game out of frustration every match. RNG is bad for competition and gameplay, but good for business.
>>717601359 >Spread exists to limit engagement distances
Nah, spread exists as a player retention mechanic. Recoil, ROF/RPM, FOV/sights and damage dropoff ranges exist to limit engagement distances.
>>717601392 >Nobody that can beam crossmap is in favor of RNG lmao
I'm in favor of RNG because I also don't want to be beamed across the map. BF has little to no recoil, so spread is essential unless BF is going to have PUBG levels of recoil. What's so fucking funny is that literally everyone has been explaining what spread is to you since BF fucking 3. For almost 15 years yet you shitters don't understand how to control fucking spread. You just stop full auto-ing and you start bursting or tap firing. That's fucking it. You are accurate now. >>717601531
STFU. I'm so mad.
>>717592643 (OP)
Every Battlefield after 4 was trash becuase it was no longer a modern day setting and vehicles being nerfed and infantry becoming the focus.
>>717601635 >I'm in favor of RNG because I don't want to be beamed across the map
Hey, at least you're honest. For people like me who can actually aim, we prefer to take care of enemies ourselves instead of hiding behind mechanics in place to protect shitters from a bad time.
>>717601635 >You don't understand, you can *control* the slot machine! you just have to touch the button at the right time and swipe your finger across the screen. The casinos don't want you to know about this but I've discovered it! Winnings? Well I won $100 one time doing this trick but you have to keep at it. You can only win if you play, s-shitter!
>>717602248 >You don't understand, you can *control* the slot machine!
Spread isn't slot machine, it's literally as simple as
if firing_continues == gun_less_accurate:
else:
return gun_accurate
>>717602384
You literally can't comprehend the concept of needing to burst fire or tap fire in order to be accurate in video games. Of course you are getting IQ mogged by literal redditors.
>>717602463 >It's so simple, that's why I can't break 20% accuracy with my guns
You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole filled with all of your piss and shit.
>>717601635 >You just stop full auto-ing and you start bursting or tap firing. That's fucking it. You are accurate now
spread is not tied to recoil you FUCKING retard, so the exact same spread is happening when you tap fire
FUCK just put the fries in the bag bro
this is why we need eugenics to control the population and garner a healthy society
>>717602594 >spread is not tied to recoil you FUCKING retard, so the exact same spread is happening when you tap fire
Objectively wrong. Spread increases with repeated act of holding your left mouse. Your first shot spread is basically non existent, it builds up as you continue firing. Literally has been datamined by sym.gg
>>717602567 >You just can't grasp the fact that if you just place a max bet you increase your odds of hitting by 0.050 percent god you are so retarded and bad at slot machines!
>>717602726 >Your first shot spread is basically non existent
you literally don't know what you're talking about
play csgo for the most braindead example of how spread aka bloom is different from recoil aka spray pattern
>>717592643 (OP) >promotional bullshot not in any way indicative of how the actual game is
and the actual game is spastic arcadey shit for self-sabotaging hormonal teenagers who think improving their K/D score will be their meal ticket in the future
no, thank, you
>>717602683
You are troglodyte, you literally can't comprehend the basic math. >>717602751
What's RNG about spread? Spread is consistently random. If you are getting inaccurate after 5 rounds then stop firing after 5 rounds and start firing after a second. Holy this board is so fucking shit at video games.
>>717602726 >spread is basically nonexistent bro why are you so bad?
So let me get this straight. You're defending to the death a mechanic that is both "required" for Battlefield but also "basically does nothing". Very interesting indeed.
No wonder you know so much about reddit lmao. I think it's time for you to return.
>>717602861 >just stop firing to increase your odds!
Idk I don't find professional gambling exciting, entertaining, fun or a great display of skill. I can see why someone who is naturally bad at something desperately clutches to something that props them up but it's pretty sad overall.
>>717594462
Bad Company was the game that started the downfall of Battlefield, it was a game designed for lowest common denominator in mind and once DICE got the smell of money they dumbed down their games more and more with each iteration. Only exception was BF2042 unironically, BF2042 was a course correction, the only game since BF2 with proper, large maps and a focus on vehicles.
>>717602832 >you literally don't know what you're talking about
Where is initialspread if it exists? It doesn't. Spread values changes depending on your ADS condition and your avatar stance/moving condition. Spread doesn't exist in tap firing. >>717602915 >that is both "required" for Battlefield but also "basically does nothing".
It does stops shitters like you from full auto-ing from 120 meters because shitters like you still can't even fathom a basic concept as spread. >>717603154
Go play Delta Force or Ground War please. You will ALT+F4 the moment you notice how people can full auto beam you to death. Or maybe you won't, you will probably blame level design instead of shitty game mechanics(or lack of essential game mechanics).
>>717602938
He's trolling but there are people like this that actually exist. There was this dude from reddit called marbleduck during the BF1 days that made an entire YouTube series trying to convince people that "knowing the effective ranges" of every gun was *the* skill of Battlefield and that mechanical skill had no place in FPS. So in many ways these people are gambling addicts who mistake their "hits" for skill while ignoring all the shots that they miss.
>>717602938
Unc, here's an explanation of spread how to counter it. I'm explaining to you if you are 5.
Spread:
Longer you shoot more inaccurate you are, higher deviation from initial recoil pattern.
How to control spread:
Just don't full auto fucking retard. Stop after a while and start shooting again.
>>717594956
Why are people now claiming 2042 was anything but complete dogshit? I went back to play it this week before the beta and still had a much better time with 6
>>717603468 >Shitters are beaming me from across the map, someone needs to stop all these shitters from hitting all of their shots on me! Make their shots more random RIGHT FUCKING NOW
This is just getting sad
>>717597240
I'm comparing the betas. 2042 open beta was literally unplayable. I don't mean that hyperbolic. You were literally rubber banding all the time.
>>717603613
Yeah, initial spread doesn't exist as I'm saying. Spread is effected by your:
Stance/Crouching/Prone
Moving/standing condition
Hipfire/ADS condition
Your firing duration
If you are full autoing while moving you will get higher spread as you shoot. If you are crouching and not moving you will get less spread. Only consistent way to reset your spread is to stop shooting though. >>717603778
That's what spread is unc. You have dementia.
>>717604385
So I want to be able to move around the map without getting beamed across the map. 2042's biggest issue wasn't the map sizes, it was the lack of spread allowing you to do shit like that>>717602225
>>717604527
Unc do you think if BF lacked spread you would have a god gamer time? You would get shat on by people with good eyesights beaming you across the map with red dots.
>>717604484 >People with the skill to beam me across the map shouldn't be allowed to because I want to move around the map
Why should we build video games around shitters like you? Should we prevent people from firing guns at all until you've reached your "20 square meter" CoD size that you prefer? Should we also give you the first shot because that's what you wanted? Where does your lunacy end?
>>717604657 >>People with the skill to beam me across the map
BF has no recoil. You are most likely a controller shitter which has even less recoil. You are also using aim assist on top of that too. Be honest are you a controller shitter? >>717604816 >>717604741
I literally explained to you sub 1KD shitters why spread is essential. You still don't understand that simple fucking concept.
>>717603412
The only sane post I've seen about the series in years.
When BC, 1943 and BC2 had released, I remember myself and everyone I talked to saying >this is fun, can't wait to see what the ACTUAL game looks like
And then for some reason, retards and cod-kids decided to suck BC2 off like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread, even though it was more or less a tech-demo (same for BC1 and 43) for the new engine.
>>717604886 >couldn't answer any question >I already told you spread is essential to protect shitters like me who don't want to get shot while moving in the game world
Case closed, boys. His concession has been accepted.
>>717605237 >>couldn't answer any question
I did. I explained why it's important to limit engagement distances. BF games has sightlines way beyond 400 meters. You can't take everything into account. Situational awareness required to play in a game with no spread and long sightlines would be insane. You would die to random ants shooting you from 100-150-200 meters.
>>717606014
Seems kind of retarded to play a game that you don't find engaging, but enraging because you get shot at by people better and smaller than you, up until you get to a point of range that is common for the other game you play, where random spread "doesn't really matter", but it matters enough to defend it and call it one of your "skills".
Then again we're talking about an RNG shitter so the schizophrenia makes sense.
>>717606417 >schizophrenic enraged while getting shot at by ants who are more skilled than him to get to the CoD glory lands where he can finally show people who is better at randomness than him
holy fuck my sides
