Thread 717620386

Life... dreams... hope... Where do they come from? And where do they go? Such meaningless things...I'll destroy them all!

>>717620386 (OP)
YO NIGGA THAT'S DEEEEEEEEEEP

>>717620386 (OP)
sounds like something an al bhed would say .....

>>717620386 (OP)
This series has quite some flamboyant schizos as the villains

>>717620386 (OP)
>>717620848
why did read these in their voices?

>>717620386 (OP)
does FFVI's story actually kind of suck?

>>717622162
why? it's nice

>>717620386 (OP)
>gets oneshot immediately

>>717622490
>Redditroth
Kefka is 4chan kino

Thank you Kefka for being my eternal refuge from the endless flood of mid-wit Ozymandias wanna-bes who have flooded media for the past 20 years.

>>717623442
>oohh the dichotomy of being a clown and a psychopath XD
maximum reddit

>>717623629
There's been a couple villains that were just assholes. Malos from Xenoblade 2 is just an asshole. His purpose is to destroy therefore he destroys. You can't reason with him and he doesn't justify his actions. The closest he gets to any kind of personal philosophy is

>hey bro, this is just the way I was made. Cope and seethe

He’s just like me….

>>717623629
He's the last true villain in gaming as far as I'm concerned. Everyone since has had either some sort of justification or limit, Kefka is literally I want to kill all of the good things that exist because I'm evil. Honestly in general I prefer it to having to hear my villains tragic life story before killing him.

>>717625512
Well Kefka, technically, has a tragic backstory too. He was always a dick but the magitek experiments broke his mind and crossed him over into nihilistic insanity. Whatever a piece of shit he was before, there's no telling if he'd be the type of man to burn the entire world and laugh at the ashes.

>>717626208
>He was always a dick
Proof?

>>717625512
One thing to note is that Kefka does have some reasoning as to why he acts the way he does - IIRC the early experiments that made him a Magitek Knight broke his mind and he tries to use it as an excuse for his behavior... but the thing is that's all it is, an excuse. Celes is living proof the experiments themselves won't make you a monster and at worst they most likely just exacerbated already existing traits of his.

There's also the bit I like when he confronts the party with his nihilistic outlook, trying to convince them nothing matters and destruction is the ultimate fate of everything so why bother, and as he does this dramatic music plays. But once the party makes it clear they don't buy it and he loses any sort of philosophical argument, his original, circus-like theme kicks in again as he drops the act and makes it clear he doesn't care whether he's right or wrong, he's just a fuckin' asshole and he'll destroy everything anyways because fuck you.

>>717620386 (OP)
WHERE DO THEY COME, FROM WHERE DO THEY GO
WHERE DO THEY COME FROM, LIFE DREAMS HOPE

>>717626582
>Celes is living proof the experiments themselves won't make you a monster and at worst they most likely just exacerbated already existing traits of his.
Kefka went wrong because he was the prototype

>>717626524
Kitase revealed it to me through telekenesis

THAT NOSE ARE PEOPLE STILL NOT SEEING THAT KEFKA IS JEWISH?! HE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A SCHIZOPHRENIC KIKE. YOUR FAVORITE VILLAIN IS LITERALLY A FUCKING JEW.
SEPHIROTH TEAM WINS AGAIN
TOTAL ARYAN VICTORY
SO WHITE EVEN HIS HAIR IS WHITE
FUCK YOU KEFKASTANS
FUCKING JEWLOVERS
IT'S ONLY BASED THAT YOU GET TO GAS THIS UGLY JEW AFTER HE BROWNS OUT THE WORLD IN 6.
HE TURNS THE FUCKING WORLD BROWN.
KALERGI.
IT'S ALL THERE.
LOOK AT IT
LOOK AT IT

Nobody tell him what "sephiroth" is from

>>717627770
>YOUR FAVORITE VILLAIN IS LITERALLY A FUCKING JEW.
>SEPHIROTH TEAM WINS AGAIN
Do you not know what 'Sephiroth' means retard?
Promised Land?
Jenova?
Safer Sephiroth (Book of Numbers)???

>>717628208
I already know you fucking piece of shit.
It's kaballah.
Something the jews stole just like pastrami.
They steal everything.
Fuck them and fuck you.
He's still an aryan chad.
The name doesn't mean shit.
Kefka is still a dirty rat.
>nobody tell him
I'M TELLING YOU BITCH

>>717620386 (OP)
Least deranged tranny.

>>717628268
Yeah dont care, I have eyes, look at him.
Not a kike.
He's more White than you too.

>>717628345
>kaballah.
>Something the jews stole
This retard doesn't know that the Lurian Kabbalah comes from Sabbatai Zevi LMAO
>He's still an aryan chad.
He's a mutt baby from an alien parasite that masquerades as real humans, literally as kosher as it gets.

>>717625512
This moment was absolute cinema
>the visuals depicting nothing but desolate piles of debris and a red skyless evening
>the sounds of souls that reverberate and scream in the distance
>the borderless text
>the music
>the fact that kefka is so transcended that he can conjure up 3D objects
>everyone that you recruited enters the fray
>kefka shooting his light of judgement which probably killed any character that you didn't get
>the entire sequence after shooting the light of judgement
>dancing mad
Absolutely God tier buildup , I don't know if this is an iconic moment but I haven't seen any SNES game that did a scene like this before

>>717628441
>He's a mutt baby from an alien parasite that masquerades as real humans
Still more jacked than you.
Didn't turn the world brown.

Can you deny any of it

>>717629839
It depends on the intent of the story. For example in a fantasy story like Lord of the Rings, Sauron didn't need to have motives "hard to find fault in." Because the story of LotR is a story about a generally good world that was then corrupted by an outside force aka Morgoth and Sauron. They work as villains because they exemplify the rampant selfishness and darkness that people should strive to avoid. You're not supposed to identify with their goals.

Speaking of goals, stories like The Thing would fall into mid tier based on your chart. But that's fucking stupid because The Thing is a fantastic villain for that type of story.

tl;dr good villains are not a one size fits all affair and that chart is shitposting fuel

>>717629839
I deny it. Villains can literally be carried by style, cool voice, and actions. That image is the reason why every hero had to be a gray moral shitter.

>>717620848
He plapped Lulu real good

>>717630431
>>717630542
>couldn't deny any of the character placements
thanks for vindicating me

>>717627770
>Stupid nigger doesn't know what Sephiroth even means

Yeah, Kabbalah is now aryan and not jewish at all, somehow. Imbecile.

>>717629839
Kefka is the only recognizable character shown, the rest are all literal-whos only diehard fans would recognize

>>717631751
which proves that your opinion doesn't matter due to ignorance

Kefka is Christian

>>717627004
Ultimania materials. He was an ambitious war orphan who was able to rise through the military on his own merit and volunteered to become the first magitek knight. The esper blood transfusions toasted his oats.

>>717629839
jecht is a villain?

>>717632420
Kinda

>>717626582
>But once the party makes it clear they don't buy it and he loses any sort of philosophical argument, his original, circus-like theme kicks in again as he drops the act and makes it clear he doesn't care whether he's right or wrong, he's just a fuckin' asshole and he'll destroy everything anyways because fuck you.
More games need to have characters lie to the player with the possibility of not learning the truth unless you play again and make different choices. I know why they don't do it, the whole 'media illiteracy' thing isn't a meme, but god damn it

I like Kefka because funny clown man clowns back on the world with light from a giant magnifying glass to destroy folks randomly like the ants they really are. Especially loved he just stabs the Emperor in the back too when the dude was trying to take over the world and he was like, “nah this sounds more fun”. Literally succeeded in turning the world to ruin and even his defeat doesn’t magically correct all the damage he did. Folks hate him because they ask “why?” And this dude would just answer “why not?”

>>717632420
Jecht chooses to become Sin knowing he will have to roam Spira causing death and misery so that Auron doesn't have to since he actually has a connection to the world. Also Jecht comes off as kind of a dick to Tidus because he was trying to toughen him up.

>>717633413
He chooses to become Sin because he trusts Auron to go get Tidus for him to put an end to it. He's not a villain at all.

>>717633492
He’s a villain cause Tidus hates him therefore he’s an antagonistic force and also he’s a boss fight that filtered millions.

>>717633573
Tidus stops hating him in Guadosalam when he realizes it was actually his mom who was the scumbag.

>>717622162
FF6 did alot of intensely risky, interesting and innovative thing for its time.

It's not perfect but that comes down to it being an SNES era rpg.
>>717629839
Kefka and Celes are proto cloud and Sephiroth, they're both inverse's of each other where they aren't supposed to be divorced from the context of their games but taken in respect to each game they're in.

Kefka is the way he is because broke under the same conditioning that Celes went through to show that Celes is an exceptional person and Kefka isn't just a product of his environment but he also wants to be this way.

OHOHOHOHOHO

>>717633573
You think villain and antagonist is the same thing? Does your head just fucking explode when you see a villain protagonist?

>>717633492
>He chooses to become Sin
Correct, he willingly becomes the embodiment of "evil" in the world of Spira
>he trusts Auron to go get Tidus for him to put an end to it
Jecht believes he can't get back to Zanarkand which is why he volunteers. Auron claims there must be a way but none of them know it at the time.

>>717634592
No such thing as a villain protagonist. Jecht was a bad person.

>>717623629
>>717625512
Kefka is really just The Joker.

>>717634871
>No such thing as a villain protagonist.

Zoomer doomers became Kefka

>>717620386 (OP)
>steal the power of god
>first thing you do is kill everyone
Kefka is my favorite villain of all time

>>717634181
>Kefka is the way he is because broke under the same conditioning that Celes went through to show that Celes is an exceptional person and Kefka isn't just a product of his environment but he also wants to be this way
Sounds like a bunch of headcanon to me. Gotta ask again, any sources to back this up?

>>717622162
FFVI should be not compared by taking apart it's story from the other elements of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDMWp1oLoA0

Taking into account the story alone without the visuals, the pixel art, the music, the level design.
It's an insult to the medium.

Does the story suck compared to books and films?
Maybe.

But FFVI story is sucesful because it delivers an emotional payoff when you combine the music and the pixel art and the gameplay.

>>717635480
>Does the story suck compared to books and films?
>Maybe.
Imo it doesn't. Simple doesn't mean bad
But yeah, when talking about the story of a videogame, you should consider only the script

>>717635589
shouldn't*
fuck

>>717635589
I didn't find it particularly bad.

I had a weird relationship with FFVI story.

When I was a teen I loved it because it was cool as fuck.

When I was like 23-25 I hated it because I found it extremelly cringe, like most anime.

Now that I'm 36, I find it closer to the cheesy style of fairy tales and I recognize that stories doesn't need to be le master cinema shit, to be sucesful videogame stories.

The issue of reading only the script, is that a bad script can still be saved by an amazing gameplay, or music or visuals.

To me a game story is good when it servers as a vehicle to deliver the gameplay.

FFVI does an exceptional job at making an emotional journey using videogame as a medium.

>>717635128
He eliminated most of the crime and stopped world hunger though.
He just did it in an immoral way.