Thread 717623823

It's still weird to me that that game existed, made 0 impact whatsoever and vanished into obscurity. The whole thing was just kind of... odd.

The artstyle sucked, the developers sucked and worst of all: the roster fucking sucked. The whole thing felt very half-assed.

The development history is honestly more interesting than the game itself

>>717624035
It's as good as a roster could get regarding first parties minus a few omissions like a Patapon rep

>>717623823 (OP)
Physics were too janky for my liking. For it's flaws, it did have plenty of features Smash Bros Ultimate would incorporate.
>health bars
>stage morph

there was a severe lack of nep in the game

>>717623823 (OP)
>only kill through supers
DOA

>>717624237
>It's as good as a roster could get regarding first parties
Yes but if you're not gonna get Crash Bandicoot and Cloud then it's not worth making in the first place. Those two are the PS1.

>>717624413
See, that's the problem
Sony funded an entirely new third party studio to be created JUST for All-Stars.
The plans for the game as well as a studio's formation were there before negotiations for third parties even commenced.
I just realized, PlayStation All-Stars would've done the Multiversus how it been made today

This came out 2012 yet looks worse than most PS3 games from 2006-2007

>>717624831
They had a budget comparable to PSN games

Most of the roster they added was just to advertise a game that was coming out around the same time. big daddy, dmc Dante, sweet tooth. infamous and some more got in just for that. a few classics got in but having no spiro, FF or tomb raider was a big complaint everyone had. It still gives me whiplash to think "oh ya fat princess..... That was a thing that got in." Also no variety in game modes. There was multiplayer and a standard singleplayer mode. I did like that each character had a "rival" that they would interact with but most the dialog just came down to "I don't like you." "well, I dont like you ether. Lets fight!"

On top of that the gameplay just didnt land and alot of characters were REALLY imbalanced. The only real neat idea it had was lhow a characters stage would get invaded by another franchise. And while the music was alright, hearing the mix-ups was also fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87e2Ae_FHGk&list=PLK7PGOmu6oWcXs_gj-d67ILtGc8PdoKSL&index=11&ab_channel=NrdPerson957
I'm still glad it got made

>>717626617
Sweet Tooth is a PS1 original and inFamous was popular enough to warrant an inclusion as one of the PS3's flagship first party exclusives
Apparently Big Daddy came directly from Ken Levine

>>717623823 (OP)
The concept wouldn't work anyway. There's too many wannabe gritty and serious Sony franchises that clash too hard with not just the cartoony characters, but the entire concept of a platform fighter. It should've been a traditional fighter.

>>717623823 (OP)
Wait Raiden was in there?

>>717623823 (OP)
Snoys ahahaha

>>717627314
It could work if this was made in 2004 PS2.

They should have just immediately ceased development the moment they couldn't get the rights to Crash.

>>717623823 (OP)
Pretty much just like every SNOY IP lol
Forgotten, and if found later, ruthlessly mocked

I'm not gonna repost the whole post again but I think pic related spells out the problem with the roster well enough compared to Smash

>>717627714
Parappa the Rapper?
It got a resurgence of popularity online

>>717627810
Who?

>>717623823 (OP)
>no Spyro
>no Crash
What the fuck were they thinking? It's like Smash Bros without Mario or Pikachu.

>>717627893
Activision didn't want to play ball

>the whole thing is... LE HECKIN ODD
>why? because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY???

>>717623823 (OP)
Who's the fat chick on the bottom right? All the others are very famous characters but I've got no clue who that is.

>>717623823 (OP)
>>717627749
I hate that they used the shittiest design for many of their characters
>soulless Jak
>Tools of Destruction Ratchet
>Thieves in Time Sly
>Donte
>young Heihachi
>Million Monkeys Spike
>Resurrection Sir Dan

>>717628114
Fat Princess
She was there since Day 1 when the game was being developed with Kratos, Sweet Tooth, and Parappa in the original behind closed doors showcase
Sony Santa Monica helped out so I think bias was at play

>>717623823 (OP)
execs killed it.
>required supers as kos
>forced ps3 psvita compatibility
>no advertising because execs weren't confident
>constantly cut the budget
it's surprising how much quality they got out of it; the animations and artstyle were fun imo, and it had a lot of soul beyond the awful decisions that made it what it was. Rivals was pretty fun imo.

I like the game
a lot in fact

>>717628224
They need characters for the girl gamers, obviously.

>>717624035
Not many game modes either, Smash Melee came out 11 years prior and had a shit ton of content in comparision. And that game had a rushed development!

I thought it was pretty fun, gameplay wasn't as good as Smash but it worked as a party game. Shame Sony's gay and didn't care for it.

>>717623823 (OP)
For me, it was Sweet Tooth
>up throw into level 2 super missile confirm

>>717623823 (OP)
Games fail every day, and have for decades.

Crossover stages and rival battles in arcade mode were cool and I hope a future Smash Bros. game will have something similar.
>Patapon randomly showing up and killing Hades

>>717626772
yeh. But twisted metal 4 came out around the same time as psasbr and they were using the new model for sweet tooth. It would have been nice if they threw in a classic skin for him. Alot of characters had similar treatments. If a company had a new game new coming out, they would want that shown off one way or another to build hype for it, So instead of OG Dante we got (fuck you) Dante. I remember them talking about how they were able to get alot of those characters in psasbr because of that very reason.

>>717626617
>alot of characters were REALLY imbalanced
It fucking sucks, I thought Kat was super fun and that they implemented a gravity bender like her as well as they possibly could, and then I find out she's the most broken character in the game and I feel bad for liking her gameplay.

>>717623823 (OP)
They couldn't get Rayman for this? Or did they never ask Ubisoft?

>>717623823 (OP)
I don't know a single character on that box other than Ratchet. Is the guy with an AK-47 even from a video game?

>>717629557
The devs asked for every character they could but they didn't have the money or status to get most of what they wanted. The only reason DmC Dante and Raiden were playable was because they asked for Dante and Snake, but Capcom and Konami wanted to promote DmC and MGR.

>>717629963
Were you born after the PS3?

>>717629963
You know Ratchet but not Sly Cooper?

The gameplay was really dumb. It boiled down to doing a single combo, then doing another combo to confirm into your level 1 special. There was no reason to use level 2 or 3.

>>717627810
not really.
the internet isn't xitter, and people only care about the artstyle

The devs forgot Playstation doesn't have any games or charismatic characters, and even put Donte in the roster.
It's the recipe for failure.

>>717623823 (OP)
it was almost entirely the roster being dogshit
even the poor balancing and "you can only kill with supers" meme would have been accepted if the roster was good

>>717629963
>recognizing rachet but not sly cooper
that aside, sackboy and raiden should be recognizable because of how big little big planet and revengence were desu

>>717623823 (OP)
Terrible UI

>>717623823 (OP)
The game was fun if you treated it as its own game instead of comparing it to smash. Although the balancing was godawful between characters like Sack-boy who needed a combo set up to get a single kill off with what little range/killframes you have with his level 1 super and Dante where you can spam his abilities and get off a level 1 super that had infinitely more range than most characters. Stage transitioning from 1 IP to another was a pretty neat idea and I wish Nintendo copied that

>>717623823 (OP)
It alright.

>>717627810
I SLAMMED MY PENITH IN THE CAR DOOR

>>717623823 (OP)
>PS1 era (i.e. the most important fucking bit) almost entirely neglected due to smol budget
>El Donte and Raiden (at least it's the MGR one) over Dante and Snake
>Fat Princess treated like a major IP
>completely misunderstood Smash gameplay with funneled kills
>terribly misbalanced too
>no uniform artstyle to even save it visually

I grew up with both pre-Snoy'd Playstation and Smash, this game is one big pile of wasted potential that's just painful to even look at. A proper Sony platform fighter still remains one of my dream games.

>>717623823 (OP)
HOW TO FIX PS ALL STARS FOR THE PLAYSTATION TRIPLE TIMES TWO
>Step 1: Improve PS Classics Services
Every first party game should be playable WITHOUT streaming as a baseline for the expectations. The big deal here is PS3, so either build an emulator and break out the source code and start porting.
You want a strong unified library with tons of variety to go "Look, PlayStation has tons of shit!"
>Step 2: PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale Reboot
The game should be free to play with a base roster of all the big names Sony wants on PS5 and 6.
The gameplay should drop the special move to kill shit, just have standard Smash gameplay.
>Step 3: Integrate Steps 1 and 2
Have the choice to buy more characters as DLC OR have the characters unlock based on game activity. If someone owns a Ratchet & Clank game, they get Ratchet in PS All Stars and the skin associated with that game.
Have those pets and taunts as microtransactions again, but also tie them into this, like you get them based on trophies you have in the given games.
>Step 3.5: Why?
This promotes brand unity, that PlayStation is a massive ecosystem, it gets people more invested in the games as these trophies aren't just arbitrary- they unlock stuff in this game EVERYONE has access to! It also encourages people to play the games they like a little bit more and get more invested in existing titles if they like the idea of getting Kratos a My Wife's Son minion without paying the $2-$5 microtransaction.
>Step 4: What Now?
Just continue to promote the title as a big unifier of PlayStation. Another thing Sony could pursue in this would be making Astro Bot packin titles a part of this ecosystem as well, or pull form Smash Brawl.
How about Astro Bot and PSAS have bite sized demos and trailers for the games included? Just chunks of games so it doesn't bloat the filesize too much, or free weekends for included games.

Work with me Sony, I can lose you billions on this.

>>717623823 (OP)
Too many grumpy white men on the roster, not enough cartoony characters.

>>717633394
>If someone owns a Ratchet & Clank game, they get Ratchet in PS All Stars and the skin associated with that game.
that actually sounds awesome and a great way to advertise the games

I think the only time a rip off manages to do well is when the original franchise fucks things up

This thread... needs a HERO

>>717623823 (OP)
Who?

>>717623823 (OP)
Nike of these are Allstars, Wario is more iconic than all these.

>>717623823 (OP)

>Let's make a fighting game based around characters from our PlayStation games!
>Let's NOT include Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy 7
>Let's NOT include Lara Croft from Tomb Raider
>Let's NOT include Sora from Kingdom Hearts
>Let's NOT include Crash Bandicoot
>Let's NOT include Solid Snake from Metal Gear Solid
>Let's NOT include Tomba
>Let's NOT include Jin Kazama from Tekken 3
>Let's NOT include Spyro the Dragon
>Let's NOT include ACTUAL Dante from Devil May Cry
>Let's NOT include Harry Mason from Silent Hill
>Let's NOT include Wonder from Shadow Of The Colossus

Mental retardedness of the highest fucking caliber. Imagine creating a game centered on celebrating the history of your own company, consoles, and video game series, yet simultaneously excluding the most important and iconic video game characters in the history of your platform and the video game industry as a whole from said game. Instead you decide to put in fucking Big Daddy from Bioshock, Isaac Clarke from Dead Space, Nariko from Heavenly Sword, boring soldier guy from Killzone, Cole from Infamous, and other NEWEST and HOTTEST generic grim realistic 7th gen characters from your newest piece of shit PS3 console that normies at the time could recognize becouse it was NEW HOTTEST shit at the time. What an absolute fucking joke. One of the worst rosters in history.

Not to mention that the game was also unfinished as hell and developers were still working on multiple characters post-release, like Sortiara from Soul Sacrifice and Dart Fez from Legend of Dragoon. It's like Sony wanted this game to fail for some reason.

>>717624035
Every character used the art style from the game they came from, just like Smash at the time

>>717634424
>Wanted a Ratchet/Jak crossover
>Got THIS atrocity
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>717635706
More messed up part smash followed up with Cloud in Smash then Ultimate brought back Snake, Cloud and then added Kazuya, Sephiroth and Sora fucking Sora any more of a insult to playstation they gotten Crash and Spyro and even then Sony barely touched the franchises they owned they focused too much on the current and recent characters,

>>717636045
This isnt true about Smash. Melee uses the Melee art style for all of its characters. Same with 64 and Brawl. Even 4 and Ult are like this too. They all have unique models made for Smash. Play station all stars looks like the models were ported over. It looks weird. Also the gameplay is total shit, westoid developers simply don't understand why Smash feels so good to play. Rivals of aether, nickelodean, all that shit plays like ass.

>>717639378
The problem is, those aren't Playstation characters. They exist on their own. Playstation has no identity practically, its so fucking soulless. That's the real problem. They have to beg for practically every single character.

>>717635706
It's weird to think but so many of the classic characters people associate with PlayStation are not actually owned by Sony and many were not even exclusive at the time and certainly aren't now. I don't know why Sony never tried to buy like Tomb Raider or Crash at least.

>>717633394
The whole point is moot as Playstation is going third party. They're only making thid game if people would buy it, which good luck after nuking your brand.

>>717623823 (OP)
The problem with PSASBR is the same problem with the Vita: Sony didn't take its partnerships with Square-Enix and Capcom seriously.

>>717635706
To be fair, dealing with the likes of Activision and Square Enix is a fucking pain in the ass, nevermind the budget being too small for all the other examples. They tried getting Crash and the asking cost for him was outrageous by any standard. Still a bad move for the game, but it's not exactly the dev's fault either.

>>717635706
They tried
They got rejected every time
Hell, I remember an interview saying Team ICO said no despite Sony owning the IP
Something about "They see their games as art" or something

>>717635706
>Nariko from Heavenly Sword, boring soldier guy from Killzone, Cole from Infamous,
Are actual Sony IPs
The roster is fucked but it's as good as it could get when it came to actual first party characters

Sony fans don't have the same love for each other franchise as Nintendo's. The games for Nintendo go for the same demographic while the one in PAS are all over the place.

>>717624035
To be fair, the devs are an indie studio that barely had a budget. I do find it odd how Sony only started giving a shit about fighting games AFTER PSASBR's failure.

>>717623823 (OP)
Played a lot with my cousins.
Fun game

>>717642668
Yeah, it's kinda funny how a lot of Sony players don't give a shit about Playstation's 1st party output before the PS4. And even back in the good ol' days, Sony's biggest mascots were all 3rd party characters (Crash, Spyro, Snake, Lara, Cloud, etc...).

This was Playstation All-Star's conceptual roster before the 3rd parties got added. I think Lammy, ICO, and The Wanderer were also considered at one point too.

>>717642520
>Team ICO says no to Playstation All-Stars
>Team ICO says yes to Astro Bot

Peculiar

>>717643908
Team ICO doesn't exist anymore

>>717643192
It's concept art
It's more for how the UI would look and not a serious consideration for what the roster would be
FFS a Doberman enemy from Sly Cooper is there

>>717644001
To be fair, Blasto

>>717643006
The PS3 era was when Sony really tried to push their first party output in way that wasn't seen since the dawn of the PS1
The PS3 dropping the ball hard early on created an incentive for the company to try and fund and promote as many first party hits they could attempt since for the most part they couldn't rely on third parties to the extent of their previous consoles did.
At some point I guess Sony figured they could try funding a Smash style crossover game to see if their work paid off

>>717624035
Such is the life of a Snoy mascot.

>>717626617
>>717632685
I'm glad Fat Princess got in, because it made me check out the game she's from which ended up being fun as fuck

>>717628227
Only ads I remember for it were those stop motion ads done by the robot chicken team just really didn't sell the game when you could see it as a ad for what's on PS3 like the PS long live play

PSABR commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3JNnua5X98

long live play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPctTR3y5Qc