Thread 717634737

Why did Deadlock flop so badly?

dota fans don't actually want to aim or learn movement tech, that's why they're dota fans
overwatch fans don't want to learn item and level build orders, that's why they're overwatch fans
tf2 fans don't want to deal with their abilities being on cooldown, that's why they're tf2 fans

I can't think of any other groups that would be interested in this game, it's like skullgirls where it literally only appeals to the developer of the game and nobody else

>>717634737 (OP)
>flop
the game is in closed alpha

FPS MOBA is actually a really shitty synthesis. Most things + MOBA are.

>>717634737 (OP)
>>717635080
fps fans don't want to shoot creeps and don't enjoy losing because they have less raw stats
moba fans don't want to be constantly sliding and jumping around while aiming at heads, they want to right click and qwer people to death

its like making an rts fighting game or something

It's not even in beta yet

most developers do not have the psychology required to actually know what people like and dont like about games
most gamers also dont
everyone inevitably focuses on the wrong elements because it was suggested to them as an element of dissatisfaction by someones wild speculation and all they can do is latch onto it to feel heard. They then double down on these and dogmatically adhere to them to the point they keep making the same mistakes worse and worse as time goes on.

>>717635214
>fps fans don't want to shoot creeps and don't enjoy losing because they have less raw stats
>moba fans don't want to be constantly sliding and jumping around while aiming at heads, they want to right click and qwer people to death

>>717635347
>Posts another dead game

>>717634737 (OP)
I knew almost 20 people who played the game and they all left because the matchmaking is so abysmal. I think most people had the same idea, if you look at steamdb you can see 100k people leave the game around the same time (December 2024). No they still haven't changed it and in fact its worse now since there is a LOT less players. But its ok that its dying before beta because its just a playtest! and games NEVER get cancelled due to lack of interest before release right guys its totally fine everything is fine!

>>717634950
>>717635214
This
I am one of the few people that could have maybe enjoyed it
But then items just ruined it
>have to build items
>k i can do that
>but your items change on your build/character/enemy chars/enemy builds
>also you have to sell some items and buy others at certain times
>also if you get even slightly behind on items you lose no matter what
Its just too much autism

>>717635440
In that case nobody should ever make another multiplayer game because all of them are dead games now

OH NO NO NO

>>717634737 (OP)
It's genuinely too hard mechanically for casuals to enjoy it. As someone who dropped it, at this point it's got a high skill floor so it's hard to get into, and it's got a cavernous skill ceiling so you will get obliterated with no hope of success against someone who knows what they're doing and has the time to no life the game.

Because why would anyone trust a multiplayer game by the people who abandoned their last two multiplayer games?

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>717635676
broforce bros won

>>717635493
The items were alright to me, what killed my fun was terrain autism. Half the cast could just freely fuck around the entire map while the other half was stuck adhering to the roads with their dicks in their hands and they did not make up for that.

>>717635710
I went 0-20 on my first three matches before I quit
My friend couldn't believe it since he played before me and did fine but hadn't played for weeks
He played a few matches and got crushed each time

>hm, we have geat success with half-life and team shooters thanks to the extreme modding community and community servers, what should we develop next?
>"how about only dogshit, corporate-controlled multiplayer matchmaking based games and lose BILLIONS while doing this?"
>holy shit how can this man be so based, promoted him and let him make every single gaming-related decision from now on!

>>717635992
>lose billions
this just sounds like a ubishill coping about their dead company trying to talk shit

>>717635214
>rts fighting game
You say that like it's a bad thing

>>717635976
valve unironically got their matchmaking algorithm from chatgpt I'm not kidding one of the devs posted about this

>>717635992
Dota 2 makes Valve like 800 million in profits a year, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>717636215
I don't think it was matchmaking as much as the meta had shifted and the people still playing just got better and better

>>717634737 (OP)
They should give up and spin it off into a dating sim like DOA has

>>717636294
I think it was a lot of things, matchmaking, people leaving, and people getting better at the game. It probably wouldn't have been such a big deal if games weren't 30+ minutes. Getting stomped for 10 minutes sucks. Getting stomped for 30 minutes is miserable

>>717635493
>>717635949
>>717635976
>>717635710
Shitters coping and seething because they can't git gud.

>>717636290
source?

>>717634737 (OP)
Hero shooters are on the way out. Rivals extended the genre's life a little, but I don't think beyond that exception they have any longevity. Tired of GAAS. Tired of matchmaking. We need to go back to server browsing glory days.

>>717634737 (OP)
I hope a major update in the future bumps player numbers back up. The game has replaced Dota for me as my nightly one or two matches to wind down. Icefrog and whoever else at Valve (and that fucker Hopoo) really have made something special. I'd never expect it to hit Dota numbers, but more than a few thousand players would be nice.

>>717636204
well, apparently valve hires ubishills to work as executive managers for some reason

>>717635347
This game is older than some of the posters on here.

I still remember loving this game for the year I played it in 2011~. Amazing game. The sequel was ass and the alpha/beta players really helped to kill it faster.

>>717636646
>We need to go back to server browsing glory days.
My man it was 2009 when they removed that feature from games. They are not bringing it back just because a trend years later was born and then died.

>>717636646
That will never ever happen. Those days are gone and buried. Gacha slop and shitty SBMM multiplayer skinner boxes are not only still making money, they're growing their market shares like a fucking tumor.

I knew you retards would fall for the three pronged bait.

It's a hero shooter ASSFAGGOTS with terrible character design. Of course it was going to flop.

>>717636887
TF2 didn't have matchmaking until like 2015, and valve is a cornerstone in online games so your timeline is off by at least half a decade.

>>717637226
Call of Duty is who decided that server browsers had to go. It was them who did it and everyone else """had""" to follow.

Yoshi removed anything fun to appeal to the top 5% no-life troon losers

>>717636785
>w-well
valve's lost trillions even sir

>>717637315
sad but true. they took a good idea and wrung all the fun out of it.

>>717634737 (OP)
They ruined Ivy.

Also I just wanted a fun shooter. The movement was great, and guys like Lash were fucking delightful to figure out. Fuck the ASSFAGGOTS mechanics though, killing creeps is boring as shit.

>>717637470
No, they made Ivy slightly less bad

>>717637470
Lady Geist at least no longer looks like she has fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>717637470
Massive improvements, most of all Ivy. Actually got somewhat cute instead of just repulsive.
Viscous is a questionable design change however.

>>717637431
SAAR? PLEASE REDEEM THE NEWEST VALVE SLOP SAAR
SAAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING STOP TALKING ON FORUMS AND BUY MORE SLOP
SAAAAAAR

>>717637723
wym they gave him a hat that says nigger

>>717637846
good morning

>>717636505
You're right, I couldn't. Enjoy your pro scene over there.

>>717637510
Nah, they just traded one problem for another. Old Ivy felt like she actually fit the world-yeah, jank as hell, but endearing. Now she’s some sanitized Twitch-streamer bait with no edge. Less bad? More like less character.

moba mechanics are anti-fun

>>717637953
SAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE VALVE MATCHMAKING SLOP SAAAAAR PLEASE

>>717638842
indeed sir

>>717636803
i liked the rocket roller chick.