What's the best fighting game in 2025? All time? I feel like putting some hours into something.

>>717637051 (OP)
Ultimate Ninja Storm 4

doesn't get better than sf6 right now

>>717637051 (OP)
A-Anon, you posted some mobile gacha instead of the actual '98

>>717637051 (OP)
There is none, pick whatever looks the most fun

>>717637181
Oh shit lmao

>>717637158
Is this actually true or a meme? I heard 6 was shit unironically

What's the hivemind take on Granblue?

https://youtu.be/Ju8BM4lYzrw?si=-HZcUJR5TiSo3_3G

>>717637051 (OP)
>What's the best fighting game in 2025?
Has there been any other fightan releases in 2025 other than Fatal Fury? I'm pretty sure it wins by default, but it is also a really good fighting game and definitely the best of the modern choices.

>All time?
Pic obviously, it's the best street fighter ever.

>>717637564
Invicible VS and Marvel Tokon

>>717637564
I meant more that people are playing now not necessarily released

It's still +R
10 years into the future it will still be +R
When your grandkids will be born it will still be +R
When the last man will die it will still be +R
When mankind will be just a footnote in the Milky Way's history it will still be +R

>>717637051 (OP)
rival schools console release, jap version

>>717637051 (OP)
In an autistic sense the best fighting game is virtua fighter 5 but in a practical sense the best one is the one with the most players

>>717637051 (OP)
ST is king

>>717637365
>Granblue
Terrible

>>717637051 (OP)
UMvC3, no question about it
>has SSS tiers and yet 95% of the roster remains viable
>tons of archetypes, high execution, and yet the flow of the fight is decided by shonen protag energy
>when and how you spend meter and X adds a shitton of layers to the game
>has Deadpool and Frank West

when the FUCK are they going to rerelease umvc3 with rollback?

>>717637141
Dead game. If you’re a CC2 fan move on to Demon Slayer 2. It’s incredible.

GGXXAC is my all time favourite. +R doesn't scratch that itch

>>717637635
Both of those games are coming out in 2026 anon.
Unless I missed something.

>>717637051 (OP)
best fighting game of all time is probably soul calibur 2

>>717637051 (OP)
for me it's cvs2

bbcf

>>717637564
>Def Jam
fucking based

>>717637051 (OP)
GG Xrd or BBCF are the all time best IMO. They are old games now so you might need discord to play it outside of the weekends
Granblue would be the best experience today since it's the best game the big four and has actual quality of life

>>717637051 (OP)
KOFXV since I'm playing that
Strive later this month for Tower removal

I like 3s

>>717639289
I haven't been interested in Granblue at all but that new character they just announced looks kinda cool

>>717639289
Xrd is just XX but worse.

>>717639538
Xrd reminds you how good XX was. Then you get hit by the DANGER TIME and uninstall the game

>>717637051 (OP)
Soulcalibur 3

>>717638410
i wish capcom would give 8ing 20 dollars to add rollback and 12 more characters to the game

>>717639538
Wrong and you don't play XX

>>717637051 (OP)
Samurai Shodown 2

>>717639405
Yeah I prefer games with actual mixups and setplay but once you accept Grub is a frametrap game it gets easier to digest its boringness
Pic related kinda carries the game for me too
>>717639538
Arguable but I like the feel of the strikes and the movement better in Xrd. It also has best girl Ram and best boy Bedman
In +R I have to settle for Millia

Now do it with good ai

>>717639538
>hmm yes this is a fine mechanic for a fighting game
- some retard at arcsys

>>717639538
lol

>>717637051 (OP)
you just posted it

How are /v/ fighting game threads so much more civil? I got banned from /vg/'s fighting game threads for calling nubi out on his Tekken/Ellie Derangement Syndrome while his off-topic shit gets to stay up

>>717637051 (OP)
>in 2025
Are there really any? They all seem mid compared to their predecessors
>all time
Asuka

Soulcalibur 2

>>717640958
GC version, right?

>>717637564
BANGARANGANG YEEUH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPwHZpeYhok

>>717640994
hd

>>717640994
Link fucking sucks.

>>717641110
That, too
>>717641141
Filtered

>>717640002
So good.

I also like Alpha Tree, and Marvel Super Heroes.

I like KoF '98 a lot but it carries a certain mystique and freshness from being a game I never really mained. I played UMFE semi-regularly for a little while, that's the closest I ever got. But it's a great game.

>>717640556
This you?

I still think SF4 is the goat

For me its Xrd
Perfect balance of complex, knowledge heavy interactions that reward labbing and study and "lmao just do it" wild out potential.

>>717637845
This is true to such a degree that it feels pointless to even say it. So we should really be asking what the second best fighting game is.

>>717642710
that baiken seems a bit... different

>>717643635
I don't know what you mean

I think JoJo HFTF is the best because despite being known for its high damage it has actually the strongest defense I've seen in a fighting game

>>717637051 (OP)
The best fighting game overall is unironically Third Strike
Simply moving around and attacking in that game is very fun, at a higher level it probably sucks, and Fightcade isn't the best online experience, but it's very fun anyway
T5DR is also a strong contender, but only when you get more experienced with 3D fighting games that you can appreciate how good it is

>get 5-0'd
>"ggs"
Dude, let me type first to prove that I'm a good sport.

KI2013 gameplay itself is bretty gud to be considered one of the greats but if you are planning on going straight to ranked, keep in mind that depending on who you get as an opponent you WILL get teabagged at any point during a match, double/triple ultra'd, glitch ultra'd, Ultimate'd both games 2/3, micwarriors, ragequitted if you are about to win, winquitted if you are about to lose, selectscreenquitted if the opponent decides you are ass before the match even starts (these dudes are down bad for good boy stars which you earn by being top 32). Also, there's currently no wi-fi indicator so ggs if someone is playing 20,000 leagues under the sea.
The good news is that once you get to gold and face another gold/killer it's forced 2/3 so no one and doning provided they don't cut off the game.
God I want a sequel already.

What's the appeal of King of Fighters?

I'm on the fence between interested and bored.

>>717637051 (OP)
according to hipsters it's the game that sells the most like shit
so a tie between hxh and cotw

anybody want to play a little kof after I get out of the shower and before I go to bed? prefer xiii or xi but I'll play whatever

>>717647842
fast-paced, aggressive, offense-oriented gameplay with really good-feeling movement
nuanced approach to combo structure and meter usage (mileage varies by entry)
characters generally being simple and having a lot of common ground making it viable to play a large swath of the roster, though still enough distinction to not feel too homogenized
simple yet effective "streetwise" character designs, silly but endearing story and characters

if you're interested in learning, get these couple things down:
>movement: master the different jumps. Dandy J's video is a good resource on this
>jump blowback/CD: firstly, remember this exists, secondly use it. big active hitbox that's hard to contest and does a ton of blockstun, allows you to play aerially and aggressively. use it when approaching from a distance or when you figure they'll block, use jump normals otherwise
>combo structure: ignore secondaries/non-players who tell you to do close heavy into command normal; that's not untrue but you're better off going for light confirms as a newbie and worrying about big damage openings later--much easier to find a light low than a proximity mid. crLK crLP [command normal if applicable] special will get you started, though some characters have cancelable crLKs. work your way up to hop-in close heavy, for the time being just leave that for hard punishes

>>717645834
This game is cool as fuck but it’s also crazy heavy on execution at a top level and has multiple Meta Knight characters, so I can’t play it.

>>717647985
By that lolgic, Virtua Fighter would be a success and not a laughing stock.

>>717649251
so you get what i was mocking in the first place

>>717637051 (OP)
Same as last year

So is CotW actually good and it just flopped by virtue of the tone-deaf marketing and celebs forced in by the Saudis or was it bad and deserved to do badly?

>>717639289
>They are old games now so you might need discord to play it outside of the weekends
Spoken like someone who hasn't booted up CF in the last 3 years.

>+R is the best game of all time
hmm

>>717649779
Flopped by virtue of SNKfags barely existing and marketing being ineffectual as FUCK

>not playing vanilla X2 with the best Robo-Ky

>>717649779
it's decent but has some significant issues
it's not good enough that people still suddenly start caring about fatal fury or overlooked their anti-advertising

>>717649878
Correct

>>717637051 (OP)
Guilty Gear 2 is up there.

>>717649779
>>717649879
>>717649984
I still for the life of me can't figure out how they thought shilling a cartoony Jap fighting game at a boxing match in England was some kind of marquee advertising event.

>>717638325
>has SSS tiers and yet 95% of the roster remains viable
Doubt, some of the low tier ones are only viable due to the cancerous armor moves.

>>717649984
nail on the head

>the game that brought us the tranny icon

>>717649981
redpill me on this robo ky, i see oldheads talk him up a bit

>>717649779
I think it's very good but unfortunately nobody gives a fuck about Fatal Fury and it doesn't have a casual hook like Arcsys graphics to pull in anyone other than the already small pool of SNK players.
Anybody saying the game failed because of Ronaldo or Saudi is both retarded and somehow being too nice to Fatal Fury, people don't like admitting that the general public just don't care about the franchise for some reason.

+R sisters...

>>717650310
that's every fighter at this point
>GG: Bridget, Testament
>SF: Poison, Manon
>Tekken: Leo
>FF: Preecha, Terry
>GBVS: Cagliostro, the wrestler guy
>BB: Mai
>Melty: its playerbase
anyone I'm forgetting?

>>717650485
Unfortunately by that metric the entire genre is inferior to Banana

>>717650447
>for some reason
All the fighter designs look like ass, the graphics are ass and wtf is Garou anyway? Can't believe that they thought Garou had motion.

>>717637365
He's right, Tekken Is the second then comes...blazblue or granblue (i can't remember)

>>717650180
Saudi billionaires are completely out of touch, who would have guessed.

>>717649984
what issues does it have exactly?

>>717650413
He was Ky's Shin Akuma for the PS2 port, basically. You see people call him "Kermit Ky" sometimes because he just reused Ky's sprites/animations (including ones that make no sense like Ky crossing himself and kissing his rosary) but had green skin and a filter over Takeshi Kusao's voice - this is why in #Reload he has a different voice between the actual game and the story mode. The distorted version of Holy Orders was his default theme too, the ambient construction site sound theme was only added in for #Reload. He was banned in tournaments of the era because he was busted, for instance his walking animation was just a crawl made up from Ky's wakeup animation so he could duck under a lot of stuff by just moving forward.

I didn't really think anyone really looked back on him fondly though, if anything I got the impression he's just viewed as a historical curiousity.

>>717650573
Oh I know what the reason is, pretty fuckin difficult to revive a franchise that hasn't had an entry in 20+ years and expect it to immediately go toe-to-toe with SF and Tekken. That "for some reason" was more directed on the people who act like FF is more popular than it actually is and says shit like
>Dude, if they just put Blue Mary and Duck King in the base roster instead of the celebrities, the game would've sold.

I would bet you that 95% of the people who say shit like that don't even know how Duck King plays, like just be honest and say that FF isn't a popular IP atm.
And I'm saying this as someone who did play a fuckton of FF back in the day and loves CotW.

>>717650498
Since when was Terry a tranny?

>>717650939
since he joined Smash

>>717650703
I think I might have had a few other nitpicks but my main gripes are
>brakes are more balanced and consistent than MOTW's at the cost of being uniform. almost all of them do the same thing in the same way, and a lot of the time that is just a juggle extender
>the idea of a full set of resources from round start is neat on paper, but in practice here, it is almost exclusively used for EX moves (barring extremely situational REV Guard and Blow which isn't a constructive mechanic), which are damn near always just juggle fodder. this means that the same long, high damage, boringly easy combos always occur at the beginning, middle, and end of matches with little variation. characters thus wind up kind of homogenized; almost everyone does heavy starter or poke into a combo with 2-3 EXs and a brake juggle or low lights into special/super. it's not just about the combos themselves (though sitting through those long EX strings all the damn time is a problem), but the gameplans around starting those combos getting kinda same.
>supers are also made more consistent and functional than in MOTW, but also at the cost of homogenization across the cast and railroading their use everyone has an invincible reversal/anti-air and a light string/juggle ender. at best it's one step forward and one step back from the inconsistent yet organic ones in MOTW
I don't hate the game, but I wanted to love it, so can't help but feel kind of disappointed with it
>>717650939
Since the canonical SNK Heroines

>>717650910
If they had Freeman instead of the celebrities I’d have bought it. Not because I played him before but because he looks cool, like Remy and Carmine.

>>717650910
Duck King in particular seems to be a non-player magnet, I'm not sure what it is about him. Everybody rides that character's dick but FFS, FFRB (all of them), and KOFXI have generally nonexistent lobbies

>>717637051 (OP)
Smash Brothers ultimate and it's not even close

>>717651153
when people talk about "fighting games", they mean games based on sfii, newfriend.

>>717651153
Too hard to learn all the lingo for it when I'm used to FGC terms

>>717650910
>Duck King
>Freeman
>Jae Hoon
The holy trinity of characters that nobody gave a shit about until Ronaldo got announced. Freeman was especially funny since his claim to fame was being the shittiest MotW character that nobody liked or used.

>>717651271
i actually feel like tomahawk is a better term than empty jump throw; fewer syllables and rolls off the tongue a lot better. it may not make much or any sense as a term but it doesn't make much more sense to refer to all projectiles as fireballs (that's another one for the list while we're at it)

>>717638325
I really don't like the spastic dash cancelling movement MvC games have, man

>>717645834
>it has actually the strongest defense I've seen in a fighting game
I wanna hear more, never played it

>>717651059
Speaking of lopsided aspects of MOTW getting "fixed" in COTW only to become uninteresting and homogenized, feint cancel combos just feel superfluous and are plain ugly with Jenet snapping awkwardly to pose for the camera or Kain swinging his leg around spasmodically. Contrast to the high-execution blockstrings Terry had in the OG

>>717651910
On block you're free to push block to push opponents further away or guard cancel to answer with your own hitbox, you don't need any resource to do them just do the input. In theory you could guard cancel every single blocked hit so that you're never, ever put in a blockstring. The flip side is that you need the execution to do that and the opponent can bait it and punish you in return.

>>717652002
I'm OK with lower execution but yeah feints are stupidly clunky here because they effectively freeze the game by extending hit or blockstun as opposed to reducing or replacing your recovery
Speaking of execution, it's kind of funny how this game has the single most lenient input buffer in the market right now with the exception of feinting a button into button which is just a 2f gap where one of the buffering methods just stops working too

>>717651059
>>717652002
This stuff just makes me worried about future SNK games though, because even with all that simplification and homogenization they did for new players you still have tons of retards acting like the game is too hard or has too many mechanics going on.
Not sure what's gonna happen with the new AoF game, but if KOFXIV ends up being for drooling babbys I'm gonna cry.

>>717652330
You either take a KOF for retards or SNK dies again, your pick.

>>717637051 (OP)
Samurai Shodown 2

>>717637051 (OP)
Jackie Chan

I haven't played since early release on SF6, how did DeeJay change since then?

>>717642828
Guilty Gear 2 Overture

>>717652330
>KOFXIV
KOFXVI

I don't know if the game changed after release but CotW was just boring as shit because the broken top tiers were just so boring
>Hotaru
Just has every tool ever
>Hokutomaru
Fucking timer scams without elaborate zoning to deserve it
>Kain
Hokutomaru-like zoning except can two touch you
Wow so much fucking fun
I had more fun going against ChrisG's Morrigan than the average Hokutomaru player

>Sagat has all his tools
>Yet doesn't play like Sagat
I hate, HATE Capcom.

>>717650910
I agree with you that the guy is a unfortunately a meme character like Skullomania. Duck King is a tricky movement character (slide, float, blanka ball, jump knee, knee slide) and KOF11 made him more unique since they let him keep his Real Bout chain combo. Legitimately a cool character and fun to play though. Nothing beats a command grab where your character just does a b-boy windmill on your opponent

>>717650498
Yes, you. You fucking misinformation spreading faggot.

>>717652910
>Hotaru
Got nerfed, okay now.
>Hokutomaru
Got nerfed, but still strong.
>Kain
Nerfs?
lol hold this SCHWARZE FLAMME SCHWARZE FLAMME SCHWARZE FLAMME SCHWARZE FLAMME
He actually did get nerfed with the Ken update, but it's too early to tell how he is now.

Also the new hot item to complain about is Billy, so send some kind words his way before SNK kneecaps him again.

>>717637365
Ask him -why- he thinks it's so great and you'll find out if he's memeing or not.
There's a chance he's being genuine, there's also a chance he doesn't even play it at all.
Personally I can't fucking stand it. I greatly dislike the visual style and the universal mechanics.

>What's the hivemind take on Granblue?
>hivemind
No such thing.
I think it's great. The presentation is absolutely 10/10
The gameplay is not 10/10 but I think it's fun. The skill floor is extremely low and most characters and their combo structure are very straightforward, but optimizing shit is difficult enough, and opening up opponents has enough nuance to make it interesting.
Some of the characters in the game are absolute cancer to play against but at this point the game has a nice variety of characters with different play styles and even the weakest characters in the game are fairly usable so no 8-2 matchups or similar shit in it.

>>717651128
I feel people just think Duck is cool.

>>717655927
there's also a reference to him on one of the stages, and in the loading screens
even if you didn't know who he was before CotW seeing that would stick out

>>717637181
Well, he is a doofus asking for help.

>>717650180
to be completely honest people were saying they needed to do shit like this despite everyone who plays these games saying otherwise

>>717637051 (OP)
I'm just gonna list all time greats.
>SF2
>Hyper Fighting
>Super Turbo
>Alpha 2
>Alpha 3
>Third Strike
>SSFIVAE
>Marvel Super Heroes
>X-Men vs. Street Fighter
>Marvel vs. Capcom 2
>Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
>Capcom vs. SNK 2
>Vampire Savior
>Project Justice
>JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Heritage for the Future
>KoF '98
>KoF 2002 Ultimate
>KoF XI
>Real Bout Special
>Samsho 2
>Samsho 5 Special
>Tekken 3
>Tekken 5
>Tekken Tag Tournament 2
>DoA 2 Ultimate
>SoulCalibur 2
>SoulCalibur 3
>SoulCalibur 6
>Virtua Fighter 5 (the rest of the series is good but they're all basically the same lol)
>Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +R
>Blazblue Central Fiction
>Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
>Killer Instinct 2013
And of course:
>Divekick

>>717637051 (OP)
melty blood (not lumina)

>>717650910
>tfw been a duck and salvatore fan for many years and had to see retards act like they actually know how duck played when salvatore got announced

>>717656518
>for many years
Salvatore existed before CotW?

>>717656634
i've been listening to him since like 2020

>>717656403
I prefer Lumina desu

>>717656686
Neat.
I know it's off topic but if you had to shill him with one song, which one would it be? Kind of curious now.

>>717637051 (OP)
Not UM anything, that's for sure. Those are poseur games.

>>717637051 (OP)
SNK does not make good games. In fact, KOF98UM is a classic case of SNK taking a good game and making it into a shit game. All of their talented staff left the company like 25 years ago. I have no idea why retards obsess over them.

>>717656687
I believe you, but why?

>>717638749
Holy based, I can't believe literally only one person has said this.
CvS 2 is the template for what all fighting games should be: great roster, different play style options, beautiful sprite work, AMAZING fucking music. Other than a few horseshit characters in A-Groove it's also pretty fair in terms of damage; no 2-touch shit, you can only realistically do BIG DAMAGE by burning a level 3 super or its equivalent.
It's a shame Capcom has never made, and now certainly will never ever make something as good. Some people believe that CvS 3 is in the making but after seeing SF6 I have absolutely no reason to believe it would be good.

>>717656974
>SNK does not make good games
>proceeds to state that the original KoF 98 is a good game
Make up your mind faggot.

>>717637365
>I heard 6 was shit unironically
It's only /v/ who says shit like this. Sometimes things get popular for a reason, and SF6 is one of those cases.

>>717637051 (OP)
VF5REVO is the best but nobody plays it

>>717657146
What is the reason SF6 is popular?
How is it a good game?

Vampire Savior

>>717657210
It allows for great player expression and gives you tools for both offense and defense. The cast is as balanced as it can get for a Street Fighter game. Plus, the game is beautifully animated.

>>717657350
>It allows for great player expression
pft

>>717657442
You can scuff at the statement all you want, but that doesn't make it less true. From a single jab you have so many combo routes available, it's not even funny anymore. It all depends for what you want as a player. Better damage, oki, or whatever. And it's not just the combos.

>>717657350
Literally none of the things you said is true.
It's the Street Fighter game with the most homogenized gameplay ever because universal mechanics are so retarded strong they completely overshadow individual, unique toolkits. The characters who can better exploit those are always at the top.
Praising the balance and the animations is pretty ridiculous as well, the mocap shit looks extremely jarring.

>>717657603
> most homogenized gameplay ever
>implying Zangief plays like Guile
Okay, my dude.

>The characters who can better exploit those are always at the top.
Retarded statement because that literally goes for every fighting game ever created.

Drive rush is not really an issue at higher levels and mostly used to get pressure going. I only wish you were rewarded more for checking it.

>>717637365
>I heard…
and I hear you are a nigger faggot. stay out bitch, fighting games are too much for your fragile faggot ego.

>>717657603
>the mocap shit looks extremely jarring
How so? The animations are detailed, fluid and weighty and make kicks and punches actually feel impactful.

Most criticism I can at least understand where people are coming from, but SF6 is objectively well-animated.

>>717652979
Isn't that more than half the cast in this shitty game?
You will crouching medium kick into slime and you WILL be happy.

>>717657880
Your bot is broken m8, this reply has fucking nothing to do with the post and it sounds pretty unhinged to boot.

>>717657105
>All of their talented staff left the company like 25 years ago. I have no idea why retards obsess over them.
KoF98 is more than 25 years old. Every decent game SNK has published was not even made by SNK. Every game they make in house is just absolutely terrible.

>>717657995
not your m8, nigger lmao. once again, a faggot like you wont be able to swallow the beating in a fighting game and you will start shitting your skirt the moment you get hit a high low mix up. stay out, its for your own mental well being.

>>717657956
Sagat can't cancel cr. MK into drive rush, you fucking faggot.
>these are the people who vomit their stupid opinions in here all day

There is nothing to play, and the only thing on the horizon is abhorrent tagshit.

>>717658067
KoF XV is made by modern SNK and it's fun.

>>717658236
No it ain't lol

>>717658432
Works on my machine.

>>717651409
I liked and used Freeman but I sure as fuck don't consider him a game seller, his absence in CotW is a non-issue for me.
Fire Kim is pretty cool though, I do wish he makes it in eventually.

>>717640198
If they were in X and XX they would be a small spark before hitting and suddenly the other character is doing other attack.
Yellow RCs suck because they came in Xrd and Arcsys was too retarded to understand stopping the game didn't help there.

>>717656824
sorry for the wait had to step out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYQJJEa3jg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5et8OtdnY

>>717637051 (OP)
The true GOAT

>>717659207
Thanks Anon. I'll check these out, see what this guy is all about

>>717652096
Vsav does it better

>>717659365
how much you like him depends on how much you like edm music mostly but his music videos are generally pretty fun to watch, this is the one he's mostly known for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkRkuI0ZgX0

TECH HIT