Thread 717645316

ITT: games that are considered the worst of their series for no good reason

>>717645316 (OP)
Your defense?

>>717645316 (OP)
I stopped being interested in tony hawk games when they started involving walkng around talking to bam magera or whatever.

>best in the series by far
>normalcattle hate it because you don't have the quirky reddit options to sex the robot

>>717645403
There's no possible way you can think 1 is better than 4.

>>717645516
I don't.

>>717645632
I accept your concession.

>>717645316 (OP)
Why does THPS4 cause so much seethe? Did the 2 minute timer really satiate all that autism?

>>717645316 (OP)
is 4 really considered the worst over things like project 8?

>>717646303
Only 1-3 puritans wrote off 4 as bad. I once saw a video where a guy claimed that underground was only good because it leaned into the “bad” decisions of 4 and embraced them.

FUCK YOU I LIKED IT
>inb4 muh robot segment is not horror

nobody has ever said 4 is the "worst" tony hawk game, mainly because shit like ride and THPS5 exist. It is however regularly considered the worst of the golden era, and that's because it is. it's a bad mid-point between what the first thee games wanted to be and what the underground series eventually became. it doesn't really have a lot going for it on its own.

>>717645316 (OP)
THPS4 is the worst because it's for casuals. The new goal system is primarily centered around taking the experience you'd get after you've mastered the level, strip it down to its individual parts, and make the player do it in an experience that's on rails. Newbies are able to "enjoy" a very basic version of chaining goals within narratively-driven contexts and learning lines and such within the level, but there's nothing to be done beyond that. You do the goals they way you want them to within their segments, that's it. It sucks, because this not only means there's a severely low skill ceiling to playing through THPS4's career mode, but also limited player expression, and expression and fun is what skateboarding is all about.

THUG1 was able to at least justify things somewhat with more involved/extended missions with unique setups, heavily expanded lines when playing on Sick, and making it so it all ties into one big narrative and your character instead of just little novelty missions with their own stories. Then THUG2 just fixed everything by allowing you to chain goals again, even without the timer, and then also introduced Classic Mode. Shame that people hate it so much just because of the Viva La Bam shit.

>>717646235
I didn't realize this opinion existed because these games came out back before i was a terminally online faggot, but yeah it seems to be the case.

I'm suprirsed. If I had to rate them I would probably say 1>4>2>3 but I fucking love love loved all of them to death. Couldn't get into underground.

>>717645316 (OP)
That's not the worst Tony Hawk game, but it certainly isn't one of the good ones either.

>>717646303
It's considered the worst of the Pro Skater series. (5 doesn't count.)

>>717647085
>It is however regularly considered the worst of the golden era
Fuck no it isn't. It's automatically better than 1 because of how barebones it was mechanically.

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/jxY-cQrMBoHvImAgK5aM_w/
i just dont get it

>>717651010
Tony Hawk is my current obsession and I want to talk about it with my /v/ros. Get over it.

>>717645510
retard

>>717651082
Based

>>717645510
Gaylord

>>717645516
1 is more focused and feels more like a skating session.
You have to plan your small lines and can't just infinitely combo anywhere with manuals and reverts, etc.
The clock makes for more tension.
I do enjoy the easier crazy power fantasy of 2+ but they're different games. I like the restraint of 1 a bit more.

3 > 2 > 1 > 4 > THUG > THUG2

>>717645316 (OP)
This game provides a great benefit to tony hawk discussions, if someone says 3 is the best game in series or 4 is the worst you know you're dealing with a poser.

>>717653003
Let me guess, you grew up with it.

>>717648082
tbqh viva la bam shit is really the only way to have pro skater style silly goals in a game with a story

>>717645510
>drooling retard posts about liking fallout 4 on /v/

>>717653269
Cute watermelon

>>717646235
Most of the anti-thsp4 sentiment in these threads are always from anons piggybacking opinions from a youtuber. They've never played any of the games at all.

>>717651082
iktf anon

>>717654989
It's funny how you people never learn the irony of these accusations: it means that, at this point, the one person that can be confirmed to be obsessed with and affected by the opinion of youtubers is actually (You)

>>717655378
t.got his opinion from a youtuber

>>717645316 (OP)
Like others in this thread, I'm going to cheat a little.

There WERE good reasons to consider it the worst when it came out, but after AAI and DD, not anymore.

>>717655558
I wouldn't know what opinions youtubers give out, but apparently you do and carry them with you in spades
Maybe you should watch less youtubers and play more video games

>>717656031
t.got his opinion from a youtuber

>>717645316 (OP)
This isnt worse then Ride

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USWuP-qzpQY
thug2 is the most accurate skateboarding game

>>717653003
THPS is kino but it's silly arcade fun no matter which one you pick. If you want real skating gameplay it's Thrasher or nothing.

>>717653269
>3 > 2
lol
lmao

>>717646951
FEAR 2 is the only scary FEAR game. The school level was terrifying.

Somebody respond to my post please

Pic related's well was so thoroughly poisoned in the run up to and during its release period by various manufactured controversies that you can genuinely just make shit up that isn't in the game to criticise it for and no one will correct or argue against it because they can't tell the difference. Because of it, flaws which are shared by both 1 and 2 are spoken of as if they're exclusive to 3 and areas in which 3's either clearly a series best or a marked improvement upon 2 (like, respectively, the revamped chapter select system and quality of boss fights or Bayo's demon masquerade telegraphing when a wicked weave is about to come out, which resolves the issue of the voice clips still being inconsistent as in 2) are ignored altogether, presumably because people don't actually care about mechanics and 99% of why they claim to like any given thing comes down to presentation. Even when someone praises Origins it's often caveated by something along the lines of "I didn't expect this to be so good after 3" even though it's a fucking companion piece tangibly building upon the design philosophies established by 3 in a multitude of areas.

>>717645510
B-B-B-B-BASED

THPS4 > THUG1 because thug feels like 4's mission structure after the devs didn't take their adhd meds and wrote a plot around it also 4 has better music

>>717645510
you were definitely not old enough to be here on it's release, which makes you a zoomer and your opinion can safely be disregarded.

Literally Bioshock 2.
It's considered bad, because Ken Levine didn't make it, and he's mates with game journalists.

>>717645510
No i dont need robot sex, i just want to have more dialogues and advanced level up system. I dont need base build its waste of time

>>717653269
>4 over THUG
Bait used to be believable

>>717645316 (OP)
Strictly within the PS2 trilogy (+X)

I played THUG1 for the first time, on sick difficulty, this month after playing every game up to THAW besides it and think its the best TH game and my favorite.
>>717658665
This is very well put, and a prime example of how the internet can just make shit up about a game being good or bad and everyone becomes fucking retards. They will criticize and praise things selectively when other games in the series do the same thing.
I dont give a single shit about starfield or bgs games, but a video shitting on starfield is blowing up right now and it has a quote maliciously misquoted to have come from todd howard's mouth when it literally didnt and not a single one of its comments pointed this out.
Anyway i agree, bayo 3 improved a lot upon its predecessor in many ways and the only thing i didnt like was it being on the switch.

>>717661701
Lol no way jak 1 is considered the worst.
Its fucking 2 and its not even close
The game that forced an open world and swear words into it because kids at their focus groups were playing gta 3, and they made quite possibly the worst fucking time wasting excuse of an "open world city" ever where there are no fucking shortcuts and hidden paths and its just a giant labyrinth where it takes you approximately 2 full minutes to drive from point A to B.

>>717662217
as someone that recently played through the trilogy for the first time yea jak 2 is dogshit. if you like collectathon platformers then you like jak 1 the most and if you like the "gta" style ones then 3 is objectively better than 2. i dont think people that like jak 2 the most are real.

>>717645316 (OP)
It is.
>>717645510
Better than 3. That's it.

>>717645316 (OP)
THPS4 is not considered the worst of its series, come the fuck on. THPS5 and Pro Skater HD are universally hated and considered the worst.

>>717645510
4 is slightly better than 3 but the bar is buried so deep in the ground at that point that it doesn't matter at all

>>717646235
It doesn't. 4 is just forgotten about because THUG1 took everything that 4 did and did it better. The game is fine and it's hard to find any dedicated THPS4 haters except for a handful of posters on here.

>>717653269
>1 and 4 over THUG

>>717645316 (OP)
It's better than Sparking Zero / BT4 for sure.

>>717645316 (OP)
That game is abandonware You can get it on PC for free:
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/tony-hawk-s-pro-skater-4-cn6

>>717662217
>>717663012
What kind of contrarianism and history revision is this? The majority of people always liked Jak 2 the best because of the story, characters, humor, style, and missions. To this day, it remains the only Jak game that people talk about at all. No one gives a shit about Jak 1 because it's a generic and forgettable platformer without any interesting identity or style. I mean, it's ok if you like it, but saying that your opinion is or ever was the opinion of the majority is ridiculous

>>717663557
This game had more story content than Sparking Zero. Really joggins the noggin.

>>717645316 (OP)
Not even remotely fucking true. There are about 10 worse Tony hawk games and everyone knows this. 4 isn't even considered bad. Honestly kill yourself for posting something so retarded

>>717664613
the only thing people talk about and remember with jak 2 is the absolute slog is travelling around the city for hours and
>the missions
the complete fucking dogshit checkpoint system that ruins the missions
jak 3 had missions better with no checkpoint bullshit and like 90% less time spent travelling around the city

>>717645316 (OP)
THPS4 is considered the best by me, and that's all that matters.

>>717664613
>die at the very end of a long mission
>restart at the very beginning
>finally finish it
>spend another hour driving to the next mission
>repeat
people shat on the game at launch for these reasons and still do today

>>717664613
don't waste your time arguing with Jak 1 fags. they live inside their own little world

>>717665848
that post didnt even say jak 1 was the best, it said jak 3 is better than 2, which it is

>>717665920
>first two hours are just a collection of minigames
>shitty disappointing story and final arc of the trilogy
>unfinished as fuck with tons of cut content because Naughty Dog wanted to make Uncharted as fast as possible

Whatever you say

>>717666178
I'm gonna be a cocksucker here, but I haven't played any of these Jak games but judging from what I've played of the Ratchet and Clank series and several other Sony mascot games. I can probably safely say, all of the Jak and Daxter games suck, if even "fans" can't agree on which ones are good.

>>717655324
only contrarians here think this sucks
everyone else agrees that zelda 2 is the worst one

>>717666261
>I haven't played any of the Jak games
>But I can safely say that all of them suck
I'm with that other anon. Whatever you say. This AI Generation man I swear.

>>717653003
1 and 2 both suck, Grinding is way overpowered and Vert is useless because there is no revert.
3 when they added the revert the game became much better.

>>717666178
and somehow none of those things are worse than
>driving around the city nonstop in cars that control like fucking shit and explode in a couple taps against a wall or from getting shot at by soldiers
>completely fucked checkpoint system that just randomly decides to have fair checkpoints or just none in the entire mission
whatever you say indeed, you complain about 2 hours of minigames but 2 hours+ of driving around a giant city filled with nothing is cool

>>717666261
Jak and Daxter's biggest problem was that the franchise didn't know what it wanted to be

Jak 1 was a basic platformer/collectathon because Naughty Dog was still growing out of its Crash Bandicoot roots
Jak 2 became a gritty GTA clone after GTA3 came out and the world collectively went "Holy shit this is the best game ever", and this was also when edgy shit started becoming vogue, so the tone was completely different from the more cartoony first entry
Jak 3 was another GTA clone except now it hyper-focused on the vehicle aspect, and because of that, everything else kind of floundered in terms of quality, especially the writing, so it was kind of disappointing that the last game in the mainline series was so underwhelming

It's not that any of these games are TERRIBLE on their own, but as a series, Jak and Daxter is easily the weakest and least consistent of the mascot platformers.

>>717664613
Truth Nuke.

I don't care about your opinion.

aint no way theres people ITT that played jak games for the story
surely not ratchet and clank games too right

Even the critics agree that it has the best gameplay of the trilogy. It's kinda funny how much the tone changed tanked it's rep

>>717663557
Tenkaichi 1 is the most simple of the Tenkaichi games because it's basically a glorified engine test/proof of concept. But in that simplicity they had something fucking beautiful that they just couldn't recapture with the others.