Thread 717650246

Is a prosperous one-party state preferable to a "democracy" that cannot escape capture by financial interests?

deus ex got me into marx and engels
for this reason it's still my favorite game ever made even if quake 3 is more fun

>>717650246 (OP)
China's the one running the west to the ground through the manipulation of investors. And soon enough they'll reveal themselves as the savior and morons will accept the same chains chinks wore since forever.
Only good move is the division of power and labor because in continent sized tyranny with big tentacular entities the commoner has no chances.

>>717650246 (OP)
just let me look up the living conditions of one party states and... oh my

>>717650571
>source: it appeared to me in a dream

>>717651071
Counterpoint: Singapore

>>717650246 (OP)
He was completely in the right.

>>717650246 (OP)
China isn't prosperous however.

>>717651225
Counterpoint: My room

>>717651286
Mao:
>:O oops

>>717651087
Yes the most valuable network of priceless insights on the state of the world, and why they're covering said world with 5g towers.

reminder, there is a NEW gmdx out, tons of options you can toggle.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/give-me-deus-ex-augmented-edition

but, play vanilla for first run but at this point it's likely you have played once.

>>717650246 (OP)
yes. democracy mixed with unbridled capitalism is a lethal poison. enlightened despotism is the best form of government.

>>717651493
fair enough

>>717651570
The eternal conundrum is: how do you make sure your despot is enlightened and not a fucking retard like most?

>>717651762
Monarchism.

>>717651225
Singapore dodged the issues that most other nations suffer from because their open about the goal being control and efficiency which requires a level of comfort and appeasement of the proles to make things go smoothly.
Everyone else buries these facts under ideology which distort the goal.

>>717651949
Uh, how exactly does that prevent someone from being a retard?

>>717650246 (OP)
It's really not much different either way considering prosperity can end at any moment, and then you'll be a slave to the one-party state, no different than a wageslave to the democracy with a powerful merchant class.
The truly sad part about all of this, is that both demand people to be cruel to their fellow man in order to get ahead.

>>717652007
So perhaps China should give up on the nationalist and socialist shit and just focus on being efficient bureaucrats?

>>717652008
Don't worry about the ruler being a retard, worry about legitimacy and succession. With proper hierarchy and authority no retard would be in charge.

>>717651324
China cannot be graded by the majority of western standards because they have the capability to disappear any problem individuals or unilaterally enact policy. and so any sign of collapse by western standards can be solved via direct command.

>>717652168
There's no causal link between the two. That does not guarantee intelligent leadership in any way.

>>717652212
I'd like to see them try and disappear their collapsing economy once their massive housing bubble bursts

>>717652168
>With proper hierarchy and authority no retard would be in charge.
Proper hierarchy and authority meaning what?

>>717652359
>Proper hierarchy and authority meaning what?
Ones that favor me :^)

Reminder that there are no such thing as White European "Nations" any longer. All Western political parties are explicitly White Extinctionist and Suffocationist. "Blood and soil" is the only REAL nationalism; Western leaders still use the word "nation" as an inside joke, an insult to the unwashed plebeian working and middle class indigenous Europeans — their countries have been transformed into Economic Zones where the whole world is invited to come and subsist on welfare and engage in criminal acts of trafficking, rape and mutilation of the natives.

Deus Ex predicted this.

>>717652212
How can they disappear the birthrate problem?

>>717651286
is this real

>>717652851
by letting me stuff my crab rangoon filling into chinese girl wontons

>>717650246 (OP)
There should be no state
Corporations should control everything

>>717652356
Anon they already enacted a rule where people can only have three personal properties within China.
Its why you have been seeing places like Toronto being bought up by rich Chinese businessmen, they litteral cannot pull this shit in their home country.
The housing bubble if popped will be dealt with via direct command as with everything else.
The actual weak point is demographic collapse and them and America's shared issue of young men being unwilling to engage. Which is the real killer for an authoritarian regime, the citizens feeling discontented and pushing for leadership that promises them what they don't have leading to the next generation party members having sympathies and interest in non authoritarian ways of doing things.
But but those are issues to be measured in decades, not the "two more weeks" shit that gets posted constantly.

>>717651286
>Socialism connected in any way to nationalism.

Mao would have had this filthy nationalist traitor shot.
Decend back from the heaven O Mao Red Emperor, Decend back from the mountains and drive these traitors into the Yellow river in the name of the Socialist Internationalism
Mao! Mao! Mao!

>>717650246 (OP)
He has a valid point sure. It's just different brands of tyranny though.

Mega corporations are the ultimate form of economic expression, Nation States are only able to pool resources from a limited geographical region and people inside it leading to many inefficiencies, mega-corporations can pool resources from all over the Planet towards providing people with affordable high quality goods and services.

>>717653293
>recoils in terror at the sight of sparrows

>>717653427
Only if the legal obligations towards shareholders were dissolved, otherwise the inability to do proper long term planning with lead to inefficiencies and collapse.

>Democracy is bad because corruption, apathy, economic inequality can lead to consolidation of power in the hands of a small number of individuals and groups of interest
>so our solution is to put all power in the hands of an even smaller number of individuals and groups of interest, but this time they are only selected for their ability to be politically cunning

>>717652008
>>717651949
>>717652241
Monarchy means the person who is going to be in charge effectively spends their life being prepared for the position, and should thus be better at it.

>>717650246 (OP)
china is itself captured by financial interests, so far so where the government owns all the banks, money, and corporations such that nobody can do anything without chairman xi's permission

this is no different than trump trying to fire intel's boss and using his money to force it

>>717653738
Is that so?

>>717653518
>ornstein and smough.png

>>717653738
That doesn't matter if they're retarded and/or lazy.

>>717653738
There's 2000+ years of history teaching us that isn't the case at all.

>>717653926
>>717653898
>>717653864
The British monarch is just kept around as a showpiece. It's the worst of both worlds really, all the wealth and none of the responsibility.

>Monarchy means the person who is going to be in charge effectively spends their life being prepared for the position, and should thus be better at it.

imagine his mother's immense disappointment

>>717653818
There's a huge fucking difference between a communist dictatorship where being outspoken against the government lands you in a gulag and Trump telling a CEO to fuck off.

>>717650246 (OP)
Is Deus Ex (1, of course) the last game that's still well known that gives actual, rather valuable political commentary?

>>717653735
>Both are basically the same
So what's the point of the whole expensive-ass election puppet show and endless back and forth nonsense between disparate parties?

>>717653980
>The British monarch is just kept around as a showpiece
Is that so?

>>717653963
Sure. Just sayin there's arguments to be made. Democracy isn't exactly working out that great either.

>>717654009
Trump has ICE to arrest anyone he wants. Trump will just revoke their citizenship, and he can freely do this.

Trump has already sent US Citizens to El Salvador's CECOT where they are enslaved and work for a foreign government. ICE can take you away anytime.

>>717654028
Disco Elysium

>>717653518
Did you take the vaxx like daddy Xi wanted?

>>717654140
this
america isn't a democracy anymore and I don't feel safe when I go to school since I live in a red state
sucks having immigrant parents, can't wait to get enough money to move to california

>>717654080
What do you think would happen if he stepped out of line and tried to actually do something good for the nation?

>>717654280
He has. He's the reason why Scotland and Wales are still together with us and why Ulster is still British. I trust him more than labour faggots at least.

>>717653980
if they have no power then it would be trivial to remove them, right?

>>717654145
Oh true
Thinking about it, even CP77 gives some valuable commentary

>>717654332
>unlimited bames please
no gods or masters except for the master

>>717654560
most of GB is not London m8
and manchester/liverpool were always full of taigs

>>717653427
>mega-corporations can pool resources from all over the Planet towards providing people with affordable high quality goods and services.
Yeah but they WON'T which is the problem. They already do no do that so why would giving them MORE money and power change that? It wouldn't. Only psychopaths have unlimited money and want more, only monsters have governments in their pockets and want more.

>>717654884
the boats will continue
the gangsterism will intensify
you have no future
>upload yourself doing a tiktok dance to verify your identity to israeli company to play GTA 6 (race mixing tips on loading screen)
even the bread and circuses must go

>>717655105
I don't beilive in the "gangs" besides the papists who have literally gone to war with us, unlike jeets or pakis. Don't care if they rape each other, all of the grooming victims were consensual teenage paki girls. Don't care about showing my card either because I'm not a nonce and porn has no place in a white country. Go holiday in spain if you want to look at butts.

Age Verification will largely fix the web by banning under-18s who are all cancer. The Internet will be for mature, literate adults only again.

>>717655343
The perfect slave cattle.

>>717655343
>I don't beilive in the "gangs" besides the papists who have literally gone to war with us, unlike jeets or pakis. Don't care if they rape each other, all of the grooming victims were consensual teenage paki girls.
Lmao. Who posts shit like this? Can't take the rest of your post seriously after reading this utter tripe.

>>717650571
>China's the one running the west to the ground through the manipulation of investors
can you provide evidence that every wok game was created purely to appease Chinese investors because they wanted to "swoop in" to be the saviours by not being faggots?

>>717655432
Well, it was obviously satire.
Just take his last line, for example. What he is claiming that will happen, and what will actually happen are complete opposites. With instantaneous and heavy censorship, what is there left of the internet other than the Official Truth. And the Official Truth is the complete opposite of "mature, literate adults" because people like that do not ask for an omnipresent authority to filter out and pamper only approrpriate content for them.
>Age Verification will largely fix the web by banning under-18s who are all cancer. The Internet will be for mature, literate adults only again.
Yeah. After Age Verification everybody will know it was Russia who blew up their own gas pipeline. Kids in kebab was fake news, never happened!

>>717651286
>China
>Socialist

>>717654428
You have no power yet it isn't trivial to remove you from your mom's basement.

>>717654074
But they are not nearly the same, that's the propaganda.

>>717654080
Yes. How is that even a question?

>>717654074
To keep the plebs "engaged" with the illusion that they could contribute anything.

>>717654074
I'm showing that the argument is flawed even if you were to assume that the premise is correct, and it isn't.