Thread 717650928

This should be setting off massive alarms in SE. Yoshit Piss needs to be replaced. Hes run his course and its obvious he has no fucking clue what hes doing anymore.

>>717650928 (OP)
>current increase in stock prices due to activist funding
Oh so they are admitting it out loud now? I thought it was a "chud incel conspiracy made up by the anonomous hacker 4chan" i thought i was a "schizo" and needed to "touch grass" because i had the audacity to acknowledge it. But now they are just... admitting it out loud? Ok then.

>>717650928 (OP)
I mean game is still making money, yawntrail was just weak product, I wouldn't panic too much

>>717650928 (OP)
Somthing needs to be done. But the faggots will blame the wrong things as per usual

Your average gamer is repulsed by all the modernslop outfits they been churning out
No anti cheat doesn't help either

which one ?

They just restructured the whole company. The FF9 artist is confirmed to have been moved into CS3, and some of the music this patch sounds very much like Mizuta so he may have been given a new job too. There were some nice improvements this patch but if SE doesn't wise up fast then the game is gonna shut down after 8.0 even if Yoshida has pulled his head out of his ass. The whole situation is grim.

>>717651357
Cerberus is the dedicated slavic speaking server.

>>717651347
Fucking retarded. Anticheat is the most anti-consumer shit ever.

>>717651461
Just don't cheat

>>717651443
i chose spriggan
im not going to the french

there is a non-zero chance that 14 closes down before 11 does and it'd be really fucking funny if that happens

STOP PLAYING THE HORSE GAME AND SUBSCRIBE TO FFXIV

>>717650928 (OP)
was it worth keeping wuk around? the devastation and bodies of the unsubbed WAS IT WORTH IT YOSHIDA!?

the stormblood of the new arc, literally nothing will happen and everyone will praise dawntrail in 4-6 years when people forgot about wuk lamat

>>717652535
maybe if they weren't both ran by CBU3 but they are so this shit is not happening anytime soon.

>>717652972
>they'll praise dawntrail when they forget about wuk lamat

wuk lamat IS dawntrail

>>717652797

game's quality was on a downward trend well before 7.0

square enix needs to ignore the haters and triple down on wuk lamat
woke is still cool

>>717653225
>house is burning down
>tell people the fire is cool and they are haters

>>717653032
even if they're both under CBU3 they are clearly separate teams desu

>>717651209
>Oh so they are admitting it out loud now?
I don't know if this is bait or if you are stupid.
This isn't "activist" as in an activist group like SBI. This is activist, as in an activist funding group. Their goal is to buy a large portion of stakes and then help the company recover and rise in value.
The one they're talking about is singaporean "3D investments" which IIRC bought a 10% stake in Squenix.

>>717650928 (OP)
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>717651431
>even if Yoshida has pulled his head out of his ass
Which he didn't, because he recently did that interview where he said he planned ahead till 10.0 and if people don't like the story, then they won't change and simply tell the story "better". i.e. we're wrong for disliking the story and "just don't get it".

fire kate and fire hiroi.

>>717653502
>implying this is new
Dawntrail was already in planning during Shadowbringers, or even earlier.

>>717653552
>implying this is new
Please point to my post where I implied this.

>Dawntrail was already in planning during Shadowbringers, or even earlier.
And? Your point being? That's exactly the problem.
You can see the direct effect of planning this far ahead with no compromises, especially when half the team is poached for another project during.
He didn't learn at all from the entire debacle from ShB to now. Like always. He just doesn't fucking learn and refuses to admit he ever does any wrong.

>>717653419
>UM UMM UM STOP NOTICING NOOOOO ITS NOT TRUUUEEEEE
ok jew.

>>717651347
The only people who care about anti-cheat who actually play are PvP because it does actually affect them.
Modernslop is something no one gives a shit about.
The problem is no new casual content gets released and WoW babs who came in Shadowbringers have run out of old casual content to do and this being their second expansion have noticed it's just cookie cutter expansions. It's why we're going back to pre-wow baby influx Stormblood numbers.

>>717650928 (OP)
Maybe taking the people who made XIV a success to work on other things like XVI so Dawntrail's production gets completely fucked wasn't such a good idea.

SE doesnt have anybody that could run xiv like Yoshida did in the primetime. He is the only one that made them huge money. So they took the guy and put him behind so many projects; dude can only end up failing. He aged like crazy. He even had to do a mainline FF (and failed). He just doesnt want to do the mmorpg anymore, either. He has been 10 years at it. Endwalker was the inofficial end of the mmo. Let the man do his dreamproject now. He doesnt have much longer on this earth. What does slimy SE do instead? Force him to do 3-4 projects at the same fucking time. Who the fuck can manage that shit?

>>717651431
The MSQ is fixable, the game-play isn't. All their attempts to make combat content for more than the 15% of people who do savage bombed spectacularly. Chaotic and Fork Tower were supposed to be inviting for casual players, but ended up being a complete failure because they just can't help themself when it comes to difficulty.

>>717650928 (OP)
no one is coming back because everyone knows that 90% of the player base just sits around ERPing rather than actually doing content, so finding groups is a nightmare.

>>717654212
>Let the man do his dreamproject now
His dream project is working on Dragon Quest. That's also his sole reason why he joined SE back in the day. But looking at FFXVI he would irreparably damage DQ even in Japan. I'd rather he'd be confined to FFXIV for eternity than be allowed to make another game and I think at this point SE is of the same mind.

>>717653892
>Anon is illiterate
>So he just mixes different words with different meanings and turns them into conspiracy nonsense
OK.

did wuk seem weak in this patch to anyone else? I mean she blisters her hands and then passes out during the final scene.. where did our mary sue go?

>>717654058
>N-no one cares about m-modernslop
Fuck off. It ruins the atmosphere, one of the most underrated and undervalued pillars of an MMO. One of two is fine but they keep adding more, and they do so INSTEAD of actual content relevant to the actual world. It's not "they make modern slop in addition to what they made before" It's "they make modern slop INSTEAD of anything that actually fits in the world".

>>717654212
Yoshida has never done a good job. He literally went on stage in Heavensward and blamed the playerbase for them fucking up job balance because they made all the new jobs very similar because they wanted them all to be interchangeable(Release Astro having a whitemage stance and a Scholar stance).
So of course one is infinitely better than the other because you're directly competing them in the same slot.
So it's the player bases fault for not inviting badly made jobs.
Instead of addressing or fixing this he then walked on stage and literally said "We will never have diverse and branching jobs because it's too hard to balance". Basically saying I'm not going to do my job or even attempt to. He should've been fired there but people praised him for whatever reason.
Now we have the trickle down of the same problem 10 years later from the same director but people are now mad because the story is bad.

>>717654378
Going by his track record i would say that he listened to the wrong people when it came to 16. SE is clearly on the action "rpg" train when it comes to FF and that has been for a long time. Yoshida himself is a huge turnbased faggot, but alas. SE in the first place is a fucking weird and mismanaged company. Now their western branch got a foothold in there and we keep seeing this weird pride shit.

>>717654642
how can you type out so much bullshit that never happened? why does 1 japanese salaryman attract these absolute lying schizos

>>717654642
>Yoshida has never done a good job
Factually incorrect. He literally saved FFXIV and the Final Fantasy brand with it. Granted, with whatever was left of said brand.

>>717654729
Like attracts like, anon. And Yoshida is a master of lying.

>>717652972
No one forgets The Wuk

>>717650928 (OP)
I never played this game but I'm getting more and more tempted to because it seems fun to hang out with other boomers and complain about "Yawnfail" over vent

>>717654568
No Dynamis/She didn't believe in Peace and Happiness enough

woke lemutt

>>717651209
You must be 18 or older to use this site

i have now started my free trial journey

>>717654568
I suspect she's getting a crippled arc just to really hammer home the fact that's she's stuck in Tural.

>>717654790
Yeah in 2.0 he somehow struck lightning accidentally with people really liking how 1.0 ended going into 2.0. It's been downhill from there and the only reason the game blew up is because WoW shot itself in the foot.

>>717654729
Are you retarded? They literally homogenized every job in the next expansion tacking meters onto them.
What the fuck is the point of the shelltron gauge? Why does warrior have a rage gauge but not a gauge for something that actually would need one like their storms path timer.
These things weren't even thought through.

>>717652972
People aren’t praising Stormblood’s story
Also could the next expac be Shadowbringers 2? Hopefully if YoshiP recognized problem people early.

The game's gameplay loop had problems since Heavensward. It's just that for the past 5-6 years it's been boosted by the COVID injection and the great WoW Exodus. Now that it's over and the story went to shit so there's no masking bad systemic decisions, it seems like it fell apart, but it was never together in the first place. Compartmentalized content, lack of meaningful RPG elements and overreliance on strict pass-fail content as the "high end" are the main culprits.

>>717654212
>was on FFT remaster, XIV, XVI, and possibly FFIX remake all at the same time
Dude aged like a US president

>>717654947
>struck lightning
Lmao, "dude", FFXIV had its biggest playernumbers at Endwalker. Well 10 years past his "lightning in the bottle". You are absolutely delusional and will try and spin and aay anything you can to spite that guy. Which i guess makes sense, these anti-yoshida hate threads really like popping off on neo-/v/.

>>717651209
This is 'activist' in the literal sense, not the social justice sense. They buy a significant minority stake in a publicly traded company in order to change how it is run. If anything, this will shut up that defensive stock chart schizo who gets buttmad in every Square Enix thread.

>>717654568
I think I and many other anons have surmised that she had a different scene involving her defeating Necron or holding it back, but this was changed based on feedback from 7.0. Her actions and result don’t make sense otherwise.

>>717650928 (OP)
>Yuzu
@NintendoAmerica @AIPAC @FBI
DO SOMETHING!!!

>>717651209
It's a hedge fund looking to acquire enough shares to gain voting rights on the board, because they believe the company is underperforming and can be more profitable in the future, with different management.

>>717653145
Yeah a lot of people were already complaining during Shadowbringers

Dawntrail released in Q1 last year, no fucking shit the gross sales and operational income would go down YoY if there's no expac releasing this Q1. People are so fucking retarded.

They could make some choices to actually improve quality of life and new content alike, atop the big one - monetization.
>Get away from selling fuckloads of $21 outfits, $7 emotes, $40 mounts, and all manner of other cash shop exclusive shit. Have it also drop in the game, reasonably.
>Find ways to put stuff no longer available back in the game, especially those used to be linked to physical items no long accessible like artbooks for old expansions or soundtrack LPs or even bigger items.
I remember that the Stormblood era enemy general lady with the kiseru required some physical item purchase to get her miniature. Fuck that nonsense. Worse was a $350 statue or something that had a unique emote and it was something like the Ultima spell graphic.
>Put old holiday items on the holiday vendors when the event returns
I don't mind them being on the shop the rest of the year for those who want it now, but have it available in-game during the event/holiday.
> Update some game systems like glamour to a "you unlock its appearance" rather than having to keep the item around and special storage for certain stuff.
WoW's Transmog system is far more sane in this regard. They can still maintain the Prisms in order to apply an appearance for the benefit of crafters
>Cut down on tedium, especially for older Relics and other massively grindy shit

>>717653419
Finally some sanity. Thank you for explaining it, unfortunately I can see enough stupid tourists who will sperg out as this being proof of conspiracy. Anyone remember the time when some company listed
>diversification initiative
and the /pol/yp masturbatory self satisfaction led to a screeching din, despite the fact that the context was financial diversification such as owning a wide assortment of assets from different sources in your portfolio, it didn't stop tards from making screenshots and videos claiming they finally had proof of niggerfication or whatever the helll.

I just want jobs to feel unique again. It went downhill for me in Heavensward when they gave Scholar big aoe heals, which used to be it's weakness, and made it more homogenous with White Mage. Removing cross class skills just gutted so much flavour even if it wasn't some "big decision", it was something you worked toward and got to reap the benefits of and only raid-tards were actually negatively affected. The only place you still get that feeling is if you play BLU where you can just do raids with people who haven't learned all the spells and you can do just fine.

The absolute stranglehold the buff spam meta has on encounter and job design has utterly ruined what was left of the game. I checked out completely after they overhauled PLD in Endwalker, one of the last holdouts of somewhat unique rotations (which was honestly not great but at least it was different) Everything. Every job, every new skill, every encounter, HAS to be designed around identical burst windows and buff uptime. It's fucking lame as shit and you don't get cool things like Titan throwing you off a cliff if you fuck up anymore. No more "the 6 people left standing clear the fight" because it's all 'one person makes a mistake and the fight resets' and it's ALL. THE. SAME.

They barely even put Dawntrail on sale which makes no sense if the game isn't doing very well. WoW has deep expansions sales all the time. Doesn't really make sense to be stingy with a box price when there is a sub and it becomes free when the next expansion launches anyway.

>>717655125
>FFXIV had its biggest playernumbers at Endwalker.
Yes, because of the WoW exodus.
I'm not saying 2.0 was the biggest expansion by any means but a lot of people played and liked the systems at the time it felt more RPGish.
The game also almost died at Heavensward but people praise that expansion for whatever reason.
You ever think about why? Maybe the director being the problem and promising shit never delivered like add-on support and in-game parsers?
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ff-xiv-mod-support-in-the-works-could-get-xv-cross/1100-6425730/
>Speaking with GameSpot during GDC, Yoshida said the development team recognizes that players want mod support for the fantasy MMO. He noted that the team is looking into ways to add it into the PC version, slowly but surely.

>“We’re working on mod support UI integration for those who are looking into [modding],” Yoshida said. “We’ve heard people and their desire for mod support and we acknowledge that. We’re working towards implementing it.”

Hey, it's almost as if maintaining the original 1.0 vision, and giving the devs the time they needed would have really paid off in the long run

Sorry your guys second-life frankenstein mmo is finally getting what it deserves lol

This nigga got the shakes having to make a new thread because he got wiped in the other one

>>717655348
>"we're looking into it"
>AHA YOU PROMISED ME A PONY!!
Bro. You're retarded.

>>717654839
it is.

Why are WoW players so insecure?

>>717655273
i love titan so much

>>717655240
>Get away from selling fuckloads of $21 outfits, $7 emotes, $40 mounts, and all manner of other cash shop exclusive shit. Have it also drop in the game, reasonably
whales fund the game and players will never be happy with the amount of stuff they get if the content of the game itself is shit.

>>717655240
The cash shop would be a perfect place to put old linited time shit, brand collabs, old CE stuff, or nostalgia stuff from other games

Shit like the Cruise Chaser or Shadowkeeper should not have been mogstation. Cruise Chaser came a patch after TEA came out and Shadowkeeper came the same patch as when BLU could do Eden. And there was no mount for BLU doing Eden! The fuck?

>no fujobait
>focus on shitty self insert waifu characters
>replace good writer with a failed writer
>game flopped
You brought this on yourself, Yoshit-P

>>717654454
Im perfectly literate. It says activist groups. That means anti white troon worshippers are involved. Simple as.

>>717655421
>In terms of addons, we’re still progressing on it but are experiencing a bit of a delay. We are moving along though, so if you could wait for additional information to come.
https://www.mmorpg.com/interviews/naoki-yoshida-on-the-heavensward-expansion-2000103758&page=2
This shit was being promised since the start of 1.0 they were originally planning to add it at the end of DX 11.
I know you're just rage baiting at this point but the director is genuinely the issue with the game just blatantly lying about shit.
DPS parsers turned out to be stone sky sea despite him directly referring to them as DPS parsers.

>>717650928 (OP)
>hire american consultant firm
>they completely ruin your story and voice acting cast
>torpedoes your popular mmo in a single expansion
well done! keep them around yoshi, it's definitely working!

After Echos of Vanadiel. Why don't they combine subs for FFXI and XIV so people can play both games on one sub and finally try it out?

>>717655534
Does Erenville count? He’s from last expac though
Man there isn’t a single appealing character for normal women. Koana is mid and Calyx doesn’t show up until 7.2.
Lizard fuckers do not reply.

>>717655581
I meant end of 1.0 going into 2.0.

>>717655581
>A feature they were looking at implementing didn't pan out
>Therefor they didn't deliver on something they promised even though they in no way shape or form actually promised anything
Cool story bro.

>>717650928 (OP)
Dawntrail could have been amazing. That still would not have fixed the problem that for a lot of people the game ended with Endwalker. The game was always strongly story focused, there was nothing left to say, or needed to be said. Outside of those who just love to raid why stay.

>>717655603
>Does Erenville count?
He would count if he'd actually been allowed to do anything.
>Calyx
do people find him attractive? Kid looks like a corpse.

>>717651920
>i chose spriggan
>im not going to the french
>chose spriggan
OHNONONONONONONO

>>717655603
erenville and his mom quest were fucking dogshit.Only Speen mattered

>>717655681
Yes, it's a big feature that people were anticipating and one of the most requested features that people were waiting for.
It's like if they said they're adding harder large scale raids to the game and repeatedly told you they're working on them for 2 expansions before going silent about it. Then they release chaotic.

>>717654454
Nah bro you're pretty clearly covering for jews

Reminder that the only character to actually being concerned about WoL has once again been Y'shtola.

>>717655684
It was their chance to try something actually new, instead we got cookie cutter n+1 expansion yet again.

Genuinely dogshit expansion. Wuk Lmao sucks even when not made so much fucking worse to listen to because of the english voice actor dude that can't even keep up the "fem" voice when shouting.

>>717655681
>Square-Enix: Rather than XML or LUA, like World of Warcraft is using, we're thinking of provide this in Flash simply to make it more visual. We'll be preparing a dev kit and providing that with help for the players. Once we get closer to the release of the dev kit (before it's even released), we will talk to the community and show what we have planned to put in it - UI engine, what we're providing - and then we can get feedback. So you could say, "This is not going to be enough, we need this," so we can get that feedback and get as close to what the community wants as possible.

Ragns (BG): When should we be expecting to see this?

SE: We could start now, but we're using SQWT and the situation is that it's such a mess that it's something that players would not be able to work well with. We want to streamline things to make it easy for players so we can get the best addons from the players. We feel that this is going to come with the release of 2.0. So we hope to have stuff ready about the same time.

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107497-FFXIV-Naoki-Yoshida-Interview-Transcription
>Flash
Gee I wonder why it didn't pan out another fucking retarded decision.

>>717655493
>The cash shop would be a perfect place to put old linited time shit
That's how it started and how it was justified in the beginning.
"If you missed event X you can then buy it in the store a week after the event ended."
I don't even remember when they started doing exclusive content in the cash shop. I think it started with emotes and then quickly expanded into outfits etc. because Yoshida realized that ERPers will buy it right up.
This came at the cost of farming bad rep with everyone else though.

>>717655684
There's a ton of clever things they could have done with Dawntrail, but the setup was already a dead giveaway that they had no idea what they were doing.
>Endwalker sets up a ton of hooks for story beats moving forward
>We could be part of a Sharlayan envoy to Tural to investigate/assist the fallout of the final days there, hunt down any remaining blasphemies as dungeon/trial content and slowly get involved in events there while learning more about the state of the world since all that happened in Endwalker to tie it all together.
>Instead we get invited by some random noble who wants to become the queen and wants us and a bunch of other foreigners to rig a contest in her favour
>Instead of this leading to confrontation, growth, learning and humility, the random noble girl just gets everything she wants with the power of 'good vibes'
>Nothing from the previous expansions is particularly relevant, a dragon shows up which kind of just comes out of nowhere and doesn't really lead to anything further in terms of connections to the plot
The whole thing just feels kind of disgusting and half-assed. Endwalker patches and the whole void plot had very similar issues where nothing that happened seemed to really connect to anything that was set up before, even though there was so much shit regarding the void they just used none of it.

>>717655821
I wish y'shtola was fucking real

>>717655819
>It was one of the most requested
Ah, so you're just straight up lying now. Gotcha.

>>717656001
>Endwalker sets up a ton of hooks for story beats moving forward

It's like they're rushing through Emet's speech as well, we're only missing Blindfrost and Meracydia

>>717656046
See
>>717655938
I get that you're just rage baiting but it's funny to put out there in general.
The director promised it until flash ended support.

>>717655348
>Mods
This has always been an issue. Their don't-ask-don't-tell-very-Japanese of trying to avoid the problem isn't really helpful. When I played last there were two branches of mods
>FFXIV QuickLauncher Mods,
Mostly FOSS and UI or other feature focused, these were pretty great and having a central FOSS launcher was a nice way for Linux players to launch the game aside from also updating and managing the mods. I remember one of these showing when big A or S rank Hunt monsters spawned and on what server sharing it with a channel if any mod user saw it, another put up all the Sightseeing locations so you wouldn't be standing like a foot out of where you needed to be and could even tell you when conditions were right for their activation. Useful, gameplay info/knowledge/UI based stuff overall
>ERP focused, gpose/cpose shit, texture and model replacers and more
A huge bit of work including Penumbra/Heliosphere and a bunch of other stuff. This is how people make porn and change bodies and textures that only they and others with the mods can see etc. Lots of users here.

With the exception of some overlap, these communities seem to be mostly independent and ironically people seem to get way more upset about people mentioning the first one in game vs the second. It would be better if SE could just come up with a modding API and documentation that is officially supported, ideally compatible with what most users are already doing.

>>717655493
I would accept putting old no longer available or physical attendance/item only stuff on the cash shop for reasonable prices, if they cut down putting more garbage on in general. Also old CEs I think areall up but you buy them as an "Upgrade" rather than mogshop as individual items; I WOULD like to see the PreOrder items be available though.

>>717655481
Every game that is predicated on whales fails, driving away most players. Never have a MMO depend on whales, lest it be slaved to them

>it's another 'forced waifu character that has the personality of a hyperactive child'
It's just so fucking tiring.

>>717655821
TAKE MY CUM CHALICE ALREADY AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>717656113
>One poster talking again about how they talked about working on a feature that didn't work out proves my lie about it being one of the "most requested features" wasn't a lie!
Lmao dude you're so full of shit, just stop.

>>717656106
They're not even doing them right! Emet brings up the "golden cities" and it's just fucking one!

>>717656132
I do think I should clarify by mods and add-ons I do mean shit that makes your UI usable in general and in-game parsers.
They did a good job of adding in-game options but there's a lof of features that are just straight up non-existent like better tracking of dots and buffs/debuffs.

>>717656298
>Hurr durr everyone loved the base UI actually when you weren't able to change it
okay

Thread is too on-topic.
I'm calling the derail squad.
>Folder dumper
>Homestuck
>Doccy
>Folder dumpy
>Lalas
>Lalafells
>Vivex
>WoW
>Asmongold
>Xeno
>Barry

>>717650928 (OP)
Obviously the game is not gay enough.

They need more homo shit in it for modern audiences.

>>717656357
>Modfags whining means it was a "popular demand"
Anon. Just stop. You're a loud minority at best, obnoxiously so.

>>717656604
>Hurr durr more than half the player base quitting in HW was actually the loud minority at best
>Durrr no one actually wanted in-game parsers when people couldn't meet dps checks for the fights
>Huuuuurrr people weren't quitting because they were logging in to wipe to clear 2 fights and go wipe to the third with no in-game indication of how they were doing
>Everyone who raids actually loves opening ACT a program used in everquest
Okay

>>717656732
Anon. You've gone so far beyond full retard you're now trying to argue that the people who quit during HW did so because of a lack of mods. Not the terrible raid design. Not the boring job changes. Not the tedious crafting and general bloatedness of it all. Not the oversized but functionally empty zones. No, people quit because.... a lack of mods.

You're completely lost.

>>717657281
>Multiple issues with the game
>Talk about one of the big issues being lack of parsers and UI customization which was promised
>You now think this is the only issue
Not even including base HW story was boring as fuck to the point people still meme "what if church bad dragon good".

>wasting voice lines for literal who npcs

7.3 is retarded.

>>717650928 (OP)
kimetsu won

>>717656357
I don't mind that they were worried about people being shit on via parses and gearscore like shit (specifically that one ACT parsing thing where some poor girl was bullied until she killed herself), or that they wanted the game to be playable without the need for UI addons, but then they should focus on bad behavior not the addons themselves. Atop it, one thing WoW did well was that having a modding API meant you could update it not only to add features but also to disable stuff that became completely automated. So long as you the player were using mods using the approved API and not some sort of hack, you never had to worry you were doing something "illegal" that could get you banned.

>>717650928 (OP)
Again we're seeing just how much of a boon the pandemic was for ffxiv, and really all games.

>>717657427
>Multiple big issues and one non-issue
>"N-no the non-issue is also a big issue! It came to me in a dream!"
Buddy, just stop. You're already done.

>>717657634
>Still ragebaiting with nothing of substance posted
Can you stop spamming please?

>>717655348
>Yes, because of the WoW exodus.
while the WoW exodus did boost numbers, it wasn't the only reason or even the biggest, the biggest was the pandemic which made a lot of people start playing video games.
>Maybe the director being the problem and promising shit never delivered like add-on support and in-game parsers?
all he promised was looking into ways to add it, but they clearly didn't because the headache of creating an official 2 tiered system of pc players gets mods but console players doesnt wasnt worth it.
It's also been 10 fucking years let it go.

>>717657748
>It's also been 10 fucking years let it go.
You do realize all the current problems with modding and cheating is from that right?
People don't use cactbot if they don't install ACT but they already had to go through the process of learning how to set it up.
It's a trickle down of unaddressed problem leading to all the bloat that had to be fixed by the players and how what's cheating and isn't is now decided by mod makers and players as well as what should and shouldn't be in the game instead of the developers.
People don't use XIVlauncher and dalamud to install noclippy to fix their ping issues and see the cavalcade of cheater shit just sitting there.
If these problems were addressed by the devs this shouldn't wouldn't have to be widely accepted by the same devs because they can't ban their entire playerbase for using it.

>>717657685
>I-it's ragebait.
No, anon, you're losing the argument and this is your cope. You have nothing to your claims except repeating them with zero substance, as there is nothing to support them. This is because your claim is false.

You can dance around that fact all you like, but it's pointless, you're not going to achieve anything except some shallow victory that exists in the same place as the rationale behind your claims: Only in your head.

>>717657903
>People won't cheat if it's easier to have other random mods! There's no way people would be motivated to cheat if they had an easy API!
Bro. What the fuck. How stupid are you?

>>717657978
The API's by the devs would dictate what's allowed and what isn't the same way in WoW by limiting what it provides.
I don't see how this is hard to understand.

>pandemic ends
>both FFXIV and PSO2 eat shit
kwab

>>717658047
>People wouldn't break the rules! That'd be... BREAKING THE RULES?!
Anon, remind me of the entire fucking modding scene of FFXIV and what SE's official stance on modding is?

>>717657940
>Link articles from the developer that support my claim
>Nuh-uh ackshually that doesn't count for some reason
>Explain it to you
>Nuh-uh
>Tell you you're just rage baiting obviously
>Nuh-uh
>Now making shit up
You are here.
>Rage dumping images

>>717657903
>You do realize all the current problems with modding and cheating is from that right?
no, thats from modders having no selfconstraint.
>People don't use cactbot if they don't install ACT but they already had to go through the process of learning how to set it up.
they still have to decided to use cactbot, installing ACT isn't gonna start compelling you to install Cactbot.
>It's a trickle down of unaddressed problem leading to all the bloat that had to be fixed by the players
the only thing that genuinely is fixed by mods is latency and thats just very ropey hack solutions, SE hasn't changed it because it's an insane undertaking and they have to actually make a game with new content
>and how what's cheating and isn't is now decided by mod makers and players as well as what should and shouldn't be in the game instead of the developers.
it genuinely isn't. the dev's stance on mods and what are cheats is very clear.
>People don't use XIVlauncher and dalamud to install noclippy to fix their ping issues and see the cavalcade of cheater shit just sitting there.
They still need to decide to cheat themselves, or you do assume everyone has zero self control and secretly will just cheat even ever given the chance? because a lot don't buddy.
>If these problems were addressed by the devs this shouldn't wouldn't have to be widely accepted by the same devs because they can't ban their entire playerbase for using it.
even if SE fixes the netcode people who wants to cheat would still cheat, even if they added anticheat people who wanted to cheat would still cheat.
Nothing SE would do would remove cheaters, and its not widely accepted, and ultimately it doesnt matter because a shitter with all the greatest cheats in the world is still a shitter that will wipe your party.

>>717658148
>Links completely unrelated articles that don't say anything regarding the claims made
Anon, just because they're about mods doesn't prove that they "promised mod support" or that "modding is one of the most requested features". We've been over this. You're looping.

>>717658047
you do realize that people still cheat in WoW right?

>>717658184
>Original 2.0 slides promised eventual mod support
>Link it
>NUH UH
And you're just spamming.

>>717655193
lol hedge fund want to push them into the ground betting on their fall to bank billions of $ from other retarded hedge fund who will finance their bet (not hard when everything is done with AI since 2000)

>>717650928 (OP)
>shareholder yuzu writes
sybau

>>717658247
>Posted this before
>Got refuted
>Abandoned the argument and is now bringing it up again as if it never happened
Ironically, I have to repeat myself here: You're looping.

the funniest thing about all of this is that they have actively been starting to add popular mods as ingame features, hell they literally released chat bubbles this week, but they've done stuff in the past like seperating UI elements and even are working on a ingame raid planner but are trying to make it as good as it can be because they know they have to compete with out of game stuff.

>>717658135
>Anon, remind me of the entire fucking modding scene of FFXIV and what SE's official stance on modding is?
Don't ask don't tell get caught 3 day ban. Imagine if they perma-banned them instead but they can't because that's half their playerbase.

>>717658152
At this point it's too far gone so discussing it is ultimately pointless aside from shitting on the director.

>>717658291
Nuh-uh isn't a refute to 3 articles lmao.
Try again.

Is Daichi Hiori still employed by Square Enix?

>>717658390
unfortunately.

>>717658358
Okay, but what does that have to do with anything we've talked about? Are you just pretending the entire conversation didn't happen to cope with you losing it? You want to go over it all again? You might be looping, but I won't bother. Just fucking scroll up, retard. The things you ignored are still right there.

>>717658317
>At this point it's too far gone so discussing it is ultimately pointless aside from shitting on the director.
no, the only points your posts seems to have is imagining that people will literally start to cheat the moment they see a cheat in front of them, which isn't the case at all. most mods are harmless, yes they're modbeasts but thats whatever they're off in their corner jerking off eachothers horse cocks. You're giving this way more importance than it deserves.

>>717658592
The crafting bot is one of the most downloaded mods in dalamud which is arguably one of the most harmful.

I wonder how tin the Ice is for Yoshi-P and if he could be fired if XIV doesnt get better Numbers

>>717658589
>Link an article where the director promises to work with modders
>Somehow this isn't a promise of a feature
I don't know what to tell you man, you just don't even bother reading the sources and say nuh-uh.
What else is that but rage baiting.
>SE: As you probably know, Japanese game development has been console based for a very long time. This whole concept of addons is very popular in the West, but not something a lot of developers are used to in Japan. They don't know how big of a community that is in America. So getting our developers to realize the importance of this, and not just tacking on something in the middle of a game after it is finished and having problems created that way, we're getting the game ready to accept addons.
https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107497-FFXIV-Naoki-Yoshida-Interview-Transcription
How is telling people we're getting the game ready for addons not promising a feature?

>>717656586
Friendly reminder that FF14 was at it's most popular when it was full of homos.
Coincidence? I think not.

>>717658689
hes fine. kate and hiroi are more at risk.

>>717658390
>experienced life changing events
That's a nice way of saying he bankrupted his theater company. Are we sure Yoshi-P didn't bring him in to deliberately tank FFXIV?

>>717658783
>Repeats the same bullshit claim that got refuted
>Again
Anon, stop looping. You ignored the entirety of the post you replied to. What are you hoping to achieve here if you won't even talk to the person you're replying to?

>>717658886
So if heads aren't rolling at CBU3 and SE, something is seriously wrong.

>>717654378
>fucktard who clearly hates jrpgs wants to work on the original most traditional one
now thats rich.

I remember an anon saying they write shit two years ahead, so is 8.0 already set?

>>717658950
>Still don't refute it
>Still hasn't been refutred
>Promise a feature
>Promise to work with modders
>They do neither and go radio silent instead and give people vacations for admitting to using homebrewed mods
So what's the refute? That it didn't work out because they didn't release it? That's not really a counter point to a promise being broken with no communication whatsoever about it.

>>717658689
squenix ran the FF IP into the fucking ground
XIV was a miracle and now its all they have
yoshitpiss isnt going anywhere

>>717659170
Anon. Again, who are you talking to? What do you hope to achieve by lying about things that can be easily verified in this very thread? Do you think I forgot what I said just because you claim I haven't said it?

Just how mindbroken are you lad?

It's been more than 14 years since they first mentioned official mod support and them looking into how feasible it is to add it, and not much has been said about it since then. Anyone taking that as a promise to add it past 3.0 is a genuine retard

>>717659381
>I'm just going to keep rage baiting and spamming while ignoring what you're saying and projecting
okay carry on then

>>717658825
Who would replace them? They were scraping the bottom of the barrel even getting hiroi into the lead writer spot.

I wish koji would come back, his localization had more character than kates

>>717659438
mod support would make me drop the game entirely

>talks about how the timeline where the WoL died from BR could be it's own standalone game
>people show interest in it, along with wanting more shit involving the Ancients
>gets the chance to make a game
>makes FF16, a temu version of GoT which flops, instead of making the standalone that would have printed money
Are they stupid?

>>717655273
this is probably a big factor in why the game's doing poorly. what's the point of being able to change jobs whenever if they're all the same boring shit?

>>717659457
>I just keep accusing you of random nonsense and dodge any meaningful rhetoric!
Pot. Kettle.

>>717659458
Koji is still he Supervisior for the Localization while Kate is his fucking protege so ITS ALSO HIS FUCKING FAULT

>>717652797
i saw a tranny crossing the street and imagined a heartbreaking anime backstory, purease understanderu

>>717659534
>More projection
lol just stop anon it's pathetic at this point.

>>717659575
Anon, if you want to say "no u" you don't need to pretty it up by calling it projection. Just go for it, I'll laugh at you all the same.

>>717659596
Please, link a single meaningful post you made.

>>717658257
This particular group has a track record of success though and their companies are still in business.

Ok Guys how do we fix Dawntrail now?

My Ideas:

>Remove Wuk Lamat
>Introduce a NPC that says everything we saw was just a bad dream

>>717652972
People forgot abot SB because they got rid of Lise, but they ain't getting rid of Wuk Lmaot

>>717659625
>>717659534
There you go. You still seem to be stuck on attempting meaningless rhetoric instead of engaging with any of the arguments made, so that's quite meaningful as we'll need to clear that hurdle before we can ever get anywhere.

Why are you so committed to pretending there was no conversation had at all? You know that's false, you were there, and you know there is no way you can make that claim convincing, so what are you doing here?

Get a room

>>717659791
>Can't even follow simple instructions
That's not even close to a meaningful post it's just projections and insults.
You can't even point to the "meaningful rhetoric" I'm apparently dodging. What am I even supposed to be responding to in your posts it's just retard babble.

>>717659785
Bury the expansion. Immediately fuck off to Sharlayan and work with Yshtola and Graha on travelling to another shard.

team up with Estinien, Alisaie and Alphi to test some experimental portal yshtola builds for two patches, maybe go meet ryne and gaia and bring them to the source

>>717654238
>make kits hyper formulaic so that they fit very snugly into the puzzle of raid design
>their face when classes aren't fun for anything else

>>717660146
To be fair they have to be because there's only two people working on class balance that you can see in the credits.

>>717654238
>they just can't help themself when it comes to difficulty.
But they did fine with CLL, DR and Dalriada in bozja. Why can't they do it now?

>>717658660
its not doing much different that macros didnt do before

>>717659138
yes, only for SweetBaby to fuck it all up months before release.

>>717659785
Probably what they're going to do which is end the Dawntrail storyline and stop using characters from it and start rail roading it into next expansion in 7.4-7.5.
Maybe re-introduce sphene if people keep asking about her but ignore wuk la fuck off.

>>717659973
>Can't even recognise his nonsense failed because it was stupid to even try it
>Tries another nonsense accusation not founded in fact
Yeah. Utterly delusional.
>It's just projection and insults!
Ironic.
>Y-you can't even...
Nor do I need to compensate for your memory issues, anon. Why are you trying to pretend for a crowd that isn't here? You and me are having this talk, you can scroll up and see everything you forgot about at any time, you don't need me to link it, so why pretend?

The reason is obvious: You don't actually have anything to say, you lost, and you're salty so you're endlessly sperging. Why not just accuse me of rage-baiting for what, the fifth time now? That went over so well the previous times you tried it!

>>717656260
I like to imagine people who post stuff like this would fuck up and fail to turn on their filter if they somehow managed to actually speak with whom they're fantasizing about, and just immediately repulse the character within seconds of meeting.

>>717660284
>Stop accusing me of what I'm doing
>More nonsense retard babble
Please make another post.

>>717660349
>Ran out of things to say
Yeah. I'm very shocked.

>>717660298
I can see that, most people on /v/ are even more socialy retarded than Magnai

>>717659785
>Remove Wuk Lamat
They would rather remove all the scions pre-EW than ever thinking about cutting some of her lines

>>717660373
Wow you managed to follow a simple direction for once congrats.
Now write a post with something worth responding to. Please keep the retard babble to a minimum without 5+ sentences indicating you just smell your own farts.

Would it be possible for CBU3 to skip patches 7.4 and 7.5 or combine them with 8.0? Because as things stand at the moment, it would take until at least DECEMBER 2026 for the new add-on to be released.

>>717660216
>Crafting 9000 potions while away from my PC is totally the same as a macro
Then people complain why crafting makes 0 gil outside of day 1 when addons are down.

>>717660596
next expansion hasn't even been announced yet so more likely to be june/july 2027.

>>717660765
if that would be the chase SE is done for good

>>717660641
Crafting makes no gil because anybody who sits down for a few hours can put out the exact same product so there is no capitalistic edge any crafter can abuse to get ahead.
So day1 on a new patch the few early crafters make a bit more money but then the rabble catches up and the prices dump because there is both less demand and more supply.
Good mmos with functional economies solve this by making recipes more limited, leveling up crafters harder, making crafts gated in one way or another and making materials rarer.
Some even might make it so that the crafting tables are hard/impossible to reach for random shitters.

>>717650928 (OP)
Just start another "w-wow is so bad guys p-p-please play our shitty wowclone..." shill campaign.

>>717660951
>So day1 on a new patch the few early crafters make a bit more money but then the rabble catches up and the prices dump because there is both less demand and more supply.
Yeah because there's an infinite supply of people using artisan to craft an item that takes 5-30+ minutes to craft.
The gate is the time to collect items and craft it which is solved by botting.
I'm not saying this isn't an issue with the devs not addressing it but using Artisan is literally botting.
There's no argument for it ruining the economy crafting was infinitely more profitable before dalamud because the people botting actually had to pay a bot sub.

>>717653301
do you have autism, by any chance?

>>717661204
you are posting on 4chan

>>717659458
>his localization had more character than kates
Yeah, I can't wait for more "Once you go black you can't go back" jokes. The epitome of based.

>>717659986
>team up with Estinien, Alisaie and Alphi
>Alisaie and Alphi
Fuck no. I'm tired of dealing with these little shits. I'd rather travel with Yshtola, Urianger, and Thancred.

>>717661772
all of them are fine except alisaie.

>>717661772
>I'd rather travel with Yshtola, Urianger, and Thancred.
Actually travelling with the 'Adults' would be so incredibly goated, but it really seems the Twins are always a mandatory.

>>717660146
I'd argue the puzzle of raid design isn't very fun for a lot of people either.

>>717660538
>He started talking to himself now
Great.

>>717660951
>Good mmos with functional economies solve this by making recipes more limited, leveling up crafters harder, making crafts gated in one way or another and making materials rarer.
You seem to forget FFXIV is an MMO for people who don't like MMOs.

I'm not a fan of body checks, or 1 person wiping everyone by fucking up. Even ozma only needed a few competent people and the rest could be clueless.

>>717660951
>Good mmos with functional economies
not defending xiv but name one.

>>717660951
>making materials rarer.
Nigga you can literally see all the bots at every timed node. Do you think the crowd of 10-20 people are really going there at 4 am?
They can't make it rarer you can literally dungeon bot through dalamud for tomes which is the main gate for crafted gear because everyone is botting out the ass.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/151RlpqRcCpiD_VbQn6Duf-u-S71EP7d0mx3j1PDNoNA/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

>>717662267
Classic WoW

>>717652972
Probably.

As always, the trannies did it. This is what terminal tranny infestation looks like.

>>717662098
Obviously.
Wildstar had the best raid design I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing, and the game still died because raiders aren't a large enough demographic to support a major MMO title alone.

>>717662320
Classic wow literally only functioned because people didn't understand it yet, as you can see when they rereleased it. Now, everyone knows everything and every other MMO has much the same systems. Only EVE has anything approaching an actual economy, and entirely because it's a nightmare autism game.

How low will the Numbers even get before 8.0 gets released?

>>717662497
200k active players

>>717662497
So low the game dies, obviously.
Happy now? Move on then.

>>717662434
Funny thing is Wildstar made the exact mistakes FFXIV is making now. The story was ass and themes and atmosphere were all over the place, and class design was overly samey and repetitive. Medic in that game was literally just an assortment of green forward facing aoe beams.

>>717662320
Only for maximum one year on server launch. Then, it's one of two options; everything is underpriced and no one makes any money, or everything is overpriced which seems good while leveling and you don't need any materials, but absolutely devours your time at max level.

was just in howling blade normal and we were getting filtered by the stack mecahnic lmao. this game has to have the most retarded playerbase imaginable

>>717662497
Well... that depends on what is still on offer. Tallying it up we have

2x MSQ
2x Trial/Ex
2x dungeons
4x normal/savage fights
1x Alliance raid
1x OC Northhorn
X new OC Jobs
1x Fork Tower:Blood
1x Beastmaster
1x BLU update
1x Variant/Criterion
1x Deep Dungeon
1x Quantum
1x Ultimate

as more or less confirmed and I don't think we'll be getting any more. Now, pretending they have learned nothing (and it really looks like it) then the content for non savage raider will be

2x MSQ
2x Trials
2x dungeons
4x normal raids
1x OC Northhorn
X new OC Jobs
1x Beastmaster
1x BLU
1x Variant
1x Deep Dungeon

Up to you to decide if that is enough to coast people over until the end of 2026.

>>717662267
FFXI
RO
WoW

>>717662897
>11
>good mmo
anon...

Anyway, 7.3 was cool and I'm looking forward to 7.4.
Also 7.35 but that isn't really story-related.

>>717662772
They said they'd work on a normal mode for the next OC instance(s).

>>717662942
great mmo even.

>>717662523
but wouldn't that mean xiv is done?

>>717660951
>Sneedson poster is utterly retarded
how shocking
I bet you're the type of drooling moron who says "it's free cause I farmed it myself"

functional game economies gives people a reason to get more than 1 copy of the item, not making it more tedious to acquire.

What is the significance of the Love and Deepspace spam?

>>717663102
>(s)
You know damn well they are only making 1

>>717663269
I don't know, because Bozja had 3 of them as well. One in 5.35 (when Bozja was added, like Forked Tower: Blood), one in 5.45, and one in 5.55 (which is where we're sure we'll get Forked Tower: Magic)

>>717663102
I believe it when I see it. Even thin I would fully trust them to keep all the substantial rewards behind the Discord-locked version and the normal one only exists to get the chapters in the codex.

Of all the things they need to fix its the gearing that needs it most. It is so slow, and there is no reason to keep the max iLevel gear behind Savage for half a year or longer. The Alliance raid should be max level as well and they should fucking remove the weekly caps.

>>717663228
>functional game economies gives people a reason to get more than 1 copy of the item, not making it more tedious to acquire.
wrong.

>>717650928 (OP)
>Covid over
>Wowfugees gone back to their shit game now ithat that game is just rancid solid shit and not rancid diarrhea, which is good enough for them
>Dawntrail main story shit with divisive spotlight character
Makes sense to me.

>>717663425
Covid and the WoW Exodus during Shadowlands helped XIV but now CBU3 is facing the harsh reality

>>717651357
Chaos is dead because the community decided Light was the only community that does raiding
DC travel was such a mistake

>>717663496
The harsh reality that an acute doubling in playerbase from a pandemic + their biggest competitor going to shit isn't sustainable, and that start to middle of Shadowbringers numbers is more organic for them?

>>717663526
and because of "Reasons" they cant implement a Cross-Realm Group Finder

>>717663348
They've only got a few phantom jobs for 7.4, a new zone and forked tower in 7.55 planned

I think if they were planning more than forked tower magic they would have said, and they are supposedly working on an ultimate too so I doubt they'll completely deviate from the schedule they've set out by releasing anything extra

f this keeps up, and we're looking at 200k players by 8.0, it's over.

They'll probably keep the servers on for a couple of years with a skeleton crew, maybe slap some garbage F2P model on it, but no more expansions.

Get ready for the end of the line, it's just a matter of time.

>>717663613
We'll have to see. I don't see much of a point of adding new phantom jobs in 7.45 if you're still stuck in South Horn.

>>717658390
I kinda feel bad for the guy, his theater company tanked, but managed to get a decent job at SE writing questlines for FFXIV, but when he caught his big break and was allowed to write for the MSQ, it got fucking eviscerated by players
its a shame, I think the stuff with Alexandria is actually decent, but everything involving Tural was a dull slog that didn't matter at all and by the time we reach Alexandria, most players were on auto pilot and wanted it to be over

>>717663628
>f this keeps up, and we're looking at 200k players by 8.0, it's over.
Fine by me.

>>717663628
>F2P model
HAH
anon, even 11 isn't free to play

Square needs to die sorry but it was a miracle they even made it this long but don't worry Nintendo will buy them and put them back on track

>>717663752
maybe SE got obsessed with culturally sensitivity and told them tural had to be bland

>>717663752
>I kinda feel bad for the guy, his theater company tanked, but managed to get a decent job at SE writing questlines for FFXIV, but when he caught his big break and was allowed to write for the MSQ, it got fucking eviscerated by players
Why the fuck would you feel bad for someone who's clearly shit at their job? DT was eviscerated because the stort is terrible and the story is terrible because of him.

Are you a leftist? Why the desire to protect abject failures from the consequences of their own actions?

Fujo Dumpy

>>717650928 (OP)
A change in leadership is what saved FFXIV the first time so maybe it would actually do some good. Stagnant waters and all that.

>>717663943
If anything a change in leadership is half the problem at cbu3. Tons of leads changed after EW and, as if turns out, almost everyone they put in charge for DT is a fucking incompetent.

Did one furry catgirl single-handedly fuck up a game's fanbase and revenue? I don't play FF14 but I want to know how bad she truly is.

Hey, if XIV goes down to 100k players, will you annoying soccer game people also move on and find a new game to FUD?
I'd gladly take that trade off.

>>717663943
Square is actively sabotaging XIV by taking all the profits and greenlighting over-budgeted flops rather than re-investing into the game.

>>717664000
Trips of truth

>>717664027
Not really, shes one symptom among many of the underlying problem.

>>717663880
I feel bad for him because he's clearly passionate about writing, but it just never works out, his lack of ability or inability to write for an MMO just meant he was doomed from the start, would have been better for him if he just stuck to job questlines or something
if he was the one who penned the Alexandrian stuff, I do think he has decent ideas, but he put his shit-stained shoe forward and by the time he got there, most players just didn't care
Dawntrail as a whole felt very strange, it felt like the entirety of Tural was an afterthought when it was supposed to be the main point of the expansion, they never really knew what they wanted players to do for most of it

They are going to break glass in case of emergency and implement romances

>>717663496
>>717663554
>they're so convinced that WoWfugees was an actual force they're blaming them for the downfall too
Look man I hate WoW and Blizzard too but come on. Even WoW has managed to make itself relevant for a while in the mainstream thanks to Classic drama while XIV keeps fading out. Yoshida really needs to fucking get his shit together because the game is in a dire need of a tuneup and him ignoring problems isn't helping. The engine could have been slowly been patched up thru multiple expansions launches but they don't do jack shit.

Yoshida got too complacent after Endwalker. Thought the WoW players that made his game huge were his for free to keep.
He didn't do anything to show his appreciation for the fact that they put his dogshit game on the map and so they left.

>>717664082
I highly doubt that.

>>717664047
>Square is actively sabotaging XIV by taking all the profits
XIV had sharp declines in profit and players according to Square's own report. Nearly everything SE is doing rn is fucking dying

>>717664075
>feel bad for him
Stop this woman behavior nonsense. Just fucking stop. He was paid to do a job and did it fucking badly. Feel bad for the consumers and his employers who got conned out of money for this slop, not the fucking conman.

>>717664082
>we have added romance options
>the options are wuk lamat and only wuk lamat

>>717664103
What the fuck are you talking about, schizo?
What I said, which is facts, is that the pandemic and WoW flopping led to an unprecedented growth that over doubled the playerbase. Regardless of what came after, that wouldn't have been sustained with lockdowns abating and WoW being slightly less shit enough that WoW players crawled back to it.

>>717664180
Are you profoundly retarded? Can you conceptualize how you would feel if you had skipped breakfast?

Things got this bad BECAUSE they were taking all the XIV money to fund Forsaken and XVI

They should never have killed the Twelve in a way that seemed like pure spite. This is divine retribution.

>>717664047
>over-budgeted flops
its wild how Final Fantasy has lost relevance over the years, it used to be one of the most recognizable names in gaming, but now its latest games like FF7 Rebirth and FF16 were both confirmed to have under-performed, despite mostly positive reception
the fact that they still need to pump out the final part of the 7R trilogy and that has to be on the same level of production value as the previous ones, which isn't really a good thing if its going to underperform
I genuinely wonder what the future of the franchise is

>zivvies acted arrogant during shadowlands and now that they have an expansion worse and more destructive than shadowlands, they're coping and dilating
Lmao. You get what you fucking deserve. Scurry back to the shadows, little troonies.

>>717664342
Those were WoW players who went to go play XIV because WoW was beyond dogshit. Now that WoW is playable again they went to go play GW2 and Runescape because the break made them realize it was always terrible.

>>717664289
After 15 and 16 and Forsaken, Square might retreat into the remake hole for awhile.

Tactics got one, 9 seems to be up next.

Somehow this fits to XIV

>The Baton is the MSQ
>Ryo aka the blond haired guy is Hiori
>the Girl is Ishikawa
>The Brown haired Boy is Yoshi-P

>>717664285
myths was such a disappointment, the twelve being just creations of hydealyn and the fights were so fucking boring

>hey should we tell people about this massive discovery about their gods
>no lets just keep it quiet

>>717664184
>He was paid to do a job and did it fucking badly.
yeah, that's why I feel bad, he didn't deliberately do it, he's just incapable and let loads of people down, if I did that, I'd be really fucking ashamed of myself

I've been enjoying the patches so far more than Endwalker. Glad they're finally adding content, and the post-patch story is better than anything in 6.x and even a good many 5.x patches.

>>717664435
I hated EW's fight design
>bosses just stand there doing nothing for fucking ages
>tank positioning meant fucking nothing because EVERY single boss in the expansion teleports to a specific position to execute mechanics
>myths of the realm in particular had some cool ideas but I can't remember a single fight that actually had players wipe because most of the mechanics barely required you to pay attention

>>717664437
The one to be blamed for is Yoshida or whoever decided Hiroi should become the main writer. Theatre writing is not the skillset you need to make a good MSQ for XIV.

>>717664180
Christ are you fucking stupid

Realistically, what can SE do to Phoenix Down XIV?

EOS it?
Make XIV-II?
Pretend that post-EW plot never happened?

>>717664629
Thats 90% true i would say because Ishikawa was the Story Supervisor and she didnt stopped this mess so i would say its also her fault

>>717664728
Accept that XIV is a game that will dangle between 500k to 1m players, give or take a little when it's doing extra bad vs extra good and just keep doing what it's doing.

>>717664728
Total tranny purge with a MARE ban so gameplay enjoyers are no longer ashamed to be associated with XIV. Troons cannot be trusted to play the game, all they want to do is jackoff in their player housing to viera hypercocks

>>717664728
It's already too late for XIV-II. They should have started with it during Endwalker and released it instead of Dawntrail. I'm really impressed by how stupid some decisions are in Japan sometimes.

>its because of the story being shit
>the gameplay sucks now
>the content is boring now
>the shop is predatory

The modern complainers think this is some kind of new unified opinion, whereas anyone who has played this game since ARR has probably been crying on leddit and 4chin and everywhere else about these things forever.

It's just now that the reports are bad and you can palpably perceive the game being dead in-game and Yoshi is apologizing at the start of every single live letter that it's becoming obvious.

And when it all comes down to it, nothing that anyone expects to change will actually change. Any time FFXIV has had to change something, they do it in the shittiest way possible. Few oldfags are still around when they used to talk about an "upcoming way to make the long ARR story digestible" and their big answer for this proudly came in Stormblood in the form of fucking paid boosts lmao.

To top it all off though, there is this misguided notion amongst the community that hearing English content creators say shit somehow validates these complaints in the eyes of Square, but it really doesn't.

It's time to face the facts. We are 12 years deep in pattern recognition, and here is the empirical truth that will never falter until there is a radical change:

They do not give a single fuck what the west is crying about. Their primary feedback response is, always has been, and always will be, the Japanese community.

>>717664728
Kill it faster. It can only revive after it's dead.

>>717664728
>Pretend that post-EW plot never happened?
its mostly going to be this, we're probably gonna go shard hopping or some shit, so everything concerning Tural will be history in the back of players minds
>EOS it?
stupid decision considering the game still makes money and whales will keep them afloat for years
>Make XIV-II?
too expensive and risky

>>717664729
Ishikawa herself needs a supervisor. Get Maehiro and make them work together. Simple as.

Don't care
When is the mobile version coming out so I can return to ARR kino?

Not catering to casual players in the slightest and quadrupling down to please content creators and ultimate raiders (with already sparse content in the first place) is what really broke their neck.

think ill stay unsubbed for awhile longer, just to be sure that thing is gone.

>>717664812
>500k to 1m players
It's about to drop below 500k bro if it hasn't already once the next server scrape counts the account IDs.

>>717664728
Quite honestly, XIV is too fucking decrepit to play in 2025. The console first design hurts and then the refusal to upgrade the engine past that point keeps holding it back.

Japanese devs cannot be trusted to release products outside of Japan since they have 0 conception of what functional netcode looks like or behaves.

You literally cannot trust the other player models to be accurate to how the other players are positioned or behaving, that's how fucking bad XIV's client is. EQ or UO is more reliable

>>717664907
Lmao the shit story being shit is what is killing this game. Casuals are finally noticing their content is shallow and noticing that raiders are the only ones whose content lasts more than the launch week.

>>717664906
Do we know for sure if it'll ever hit global? Or is it exclusively made for CN jail?

>>717664923
wait for 7.5

>>717664994
Bro you must be delusional to think the MSQ is what keeps players coming back. Even the most casual of casual player will complete the expansion MSQ in a week.

>>717664728
pray 8.0 is a smash hit
unfortunately odds are we might be looking at a summer release for it which means either a turbo speedrun next year LOL or a literal year of no content which will kill the game for good

>>717664906
How about I install a fresh copy of ARR for you and then you can mail me $20 every hour to simulate the ARR mobile version

>>717664825
The real truth of it is that they will have to care if there is enough money on the line. Japan by itself is not really enough to sustain XIV. We'll see the result of their response to the current situation in the next years

>>717655193
Retard.

>>717655938
>we're thinking of provide this in Flash

>>717664938
Ok? Relevance to my comment where?

>>717664728
1) Make the MSQ better. You do that by having an appealing world with cool world building, a nice story and adding RPG elements. Yes, companionship/romance would be a part of it.
2) Reevaluate the combat content and see how to make Jobs feel more interesting. If that means making combat less of a DDR affaire, do that
3) Finally do real QoL stuff. It is laughable how long the chat bubble thing took and how poor the implementation was. Stuff like NoClippy/XIVAlex needs to be baseline. Rework the glamour system.
4) Make the overworld matter more, start putting more stuff in there.
5) Put my wife in a bikini and have her swoon over me even more.

Why are all Y'shtolafags gachagroids and vice versa?

Personally I'd just like to be able to switch crafting job while having the crafting window open.

>>717665290
>how poor the implementation was
QRD?

I really wish we were at 50k players or something.
I'm so envious of SWTOR, GW2 and TESO fags. They're just playing their game and don't have to deal with the insufferable hypebeast sports game shit.

>>717665075
>next year
maybe december 26, at best but even that would be pushing it

Make jobs feel different again. Add hard mode dungeons back in. Delete the accounts of meta whores who bitch

>>717665425
he's mad he can't spam his faggot ascii shit in people's faces

>>717665506
As a casual I would like this. Revisiting alternate versions of familar dungeons was kino.

I don't know, has the expansion delivered on any front? I didn't even buy it because it looked so boring overall. The graphics update was a huge let down, the new jobs look boring as fuck, the way the new story was sold made it look like a spin-off event more than anything and the "huge new expansion defining feature" which is beastmaster is still not out.

>>717664278
Dumbass.

>>717665635
what i found strange when i bought it last year i had a feeling because of Patch 6.55 and the introduction of Wuk Lamat that XIV could have a Problem.. and now we're here

>7.3 well received
>immediate "shut it down" tactics employed in attempt to regain control of the narrative
How curiously perfidious. The kind of thing you'd expect from the small hat tribe or the mutilated crotch tribe.

Is this really true?
Can't check because I'm not subbed atm.

plugin status?

>>717665683
pick someone from the current CBU3 to pitchfork

>>717665635
If you ever felt like you wanted a break to go play other games without missing out on anything XIV related, this is the perfect time.

Kind of an old promise from YoshiP, but he's fulfilling it really strongly in Dawntrail.

>>717663526
I remember how faggots who transferred to light were complaining that they can't do shit with krauts and chaos was doing way, way better even with frogs

Man, it's sad to see XIV go down this hard, but I'm past the stages of grief at this point. It's been 4 years since EW, I honestly don't give a fuck anymore.

>>717664728
anyone who believes XIV is going to go EoS is fucking retarded
they didn't even bother to remove monthly sub from XI and that shit been out for over 2 decades

>muhmuhmuh why does everyone think xiv's story is the most important part of the game
>shadowbringers was da best expansion by the way
you are. you are why everyone thinks that. shadowbringers was awful beyond its story (and even then it had awful story moments)

>>717665707
ethics department, i choose you!

XIV peaked at
>BENEEATH THE GAZING STAAAARS

>>717663575
it took them 2 years to implement chat bubbles so...

>>717664278
>Things got this bad BECAUSE they were taking all the XIV money to fund Forsaken and XVI
You're just a retard for even using the breakfast thing alone but you're even more retarded for ignoring the fact that the real downfall to this game is Yoshida's lack of interest to fix the downfalls to the engine that have been holding the game back since HW. Remember the engine is so ass it was crashing with certain number counts which led to them lowering the values and then also removing Belts as an item because they needed space to add more Job Stones. Using profits from your big earner to fund other projects is business 101 and they'll only throw back as much as is needed to keep making good money aka the community kept rewarding the company with more money for less. The community killed any chance of reinvesting and fixing the engine by defending every bad decision.

>>717666114
If I'm to believe the "critics", XIV was never good except a brief time between the last patches of ARR and HW.

You know what was the biggest mistake? Thinking that XIV players like "safe and sweet" plots. I distinctively remember the moment when I decided to give XIV a chance and that was the whole the Waking Sand massacre msq plot. Carrying around corpses of your comrades in your bag is a thing that I did not expect from this game.

>>717666289
They were because you could infinitely help people reclear the final raid tiers and the jobs were fun to play.
Now all the jobs are dumbed down so the boss can spam stacks and spreads for 8+ minutes and you get to have a little fun every 2 minutes and then everyone complains because there's a spread when your 2 min is up.

>>717666535
>the jobs were fun to play
Rose tinted glasses jfc. Nothing is fundamentally different from ARR/HW to now beyond static rotations having less buttons.

>>717650928 (OP)
I quit a few months prior to Dawntrail and absolutely nothing about it has given me an urge to come back. The fact that they repeated the Lyse mistake but they did it with some random anthro character nobody gives a shit about and decided to cast a VA who is garbage and sticks out like a sore thumb with such a talented and experienced cast is perplexing as fuck. Absolutely baffling decisions on SE's part but at least they left me feeling content with the ten year story that I got from ARR to Endwalker and I can pretend like that was the end of the game and Dawntrail doesn't exist.

>>717666535
That's what your text document tells y ou, huh?

>>717666596
Good, let it be this way. I unfortunately decided to experience nu-xiv and fuck it ruined my memories hard.

1.23b was the peak of the game and anyone who disagrees is either a newfag or a 1.0 quitter

>>717666594
>Static rotations having less buttons
>MCH roatation in general taking off and putting on gauss barrel in wildfire windows
>DRG being a tight rotation that can lose their dps buff
>AST building royal roads and having more dps buttons
>Every healer in fact having more DPS buttons scholar having 5 dots and doing as much damage as a DPS
>Tanks having to think about aggro and enmity with ninjas having to think about how to use smoke screen and shadewalker
You had more buttons more utility and more to think about. The game is dumbed down for (you)

>make MMO
>fans beg you not to
>make ANOTHER fucking failed MMO
>it fails as well

How about you just sell DLC costumes for your games? Why not just sell a bikini for the chicks in XVI? Instead you try to fool people into this shitty pay-per-hour shit. I’m GLAD they are losing money, they aren’t doing anything!

>>717665075
>>717665480
I'd go so far as to say April 2027. Despite everything I still don't think they're thirsty enough to knock off the increasingly-extended patch cycle bullshit, unless we see some true public "the company is about to fail" financial panics.

>>717666594
Tank stance dancing was more fun than what we have now.

>>717666594
Bullshit fucking lying piece of shit kys.

>>717666761
How brown are you that you buy bikini DLC for single player games?

>>717666535
>Now all the jobs are dumbed down
Because Yoshida is obsessed with closing the DPS gap because players kept complaining they couldn't see certain content. Remember the only reason we even have Savage is because people cried that they couldn't see the FCOB ending cutscenes. Also all Jobs were dumbed down versions of 1.0 Jobs which were dumbed down Classes. The only difference is how many glowing buttons you have to press in your rotation. The game has never had any depth and has always been a +1 Gear Treadmill simulator where the only thing that matters is if you like the animations of your class.

>>717666776
>stance dancing
rope

>>717666594
>static rotations having less buttons
And that was a good thing the obscene amount of button bloat that don't have any decision making tied to them has become insulting for many classes.

>>717651209
>sees the term activist investor
>immediately assumes it's blue haired SJWs
lmao this and /tv/ gotta be the dumbest fucking boards on this site

Miss me yet?

>>717666761
XI was absolute sakguchi/kawazu ludo. Everyone mad at it was either not alive in its prime or were not allowed to use their parents credit card for the sub. Sour grapes.

>>717666529
Them walking back Nanamo was the golden chocobo in the coalmine that the plot was never going to have meaningful consequences.

>>717654212
they're doing the same thing they did to nomura

>>717666813
>The game has never had any depth
This just isn't true so you are either a newfag that never actually experienced it or just a retard in general.

>>717666901
Lalas, as per usual, ruin everything.

>>717666705
>>MCH roatation in general taking off and putting on gauss barrel in wildfire windows
Which was a static rotation with the most "variation" being the starting point of said rotation dependent on the boss mechanics meaning sooner or later you were always going to be back at the same static rotation.
>DRG
Also a static rotation, just because it was marginally harder doesn't make it any more different than the less bloated static rotation DRG of now.
>Healers
You have a point here at least.

>>717666813
The game had tons of depth half the rotations people were doing weren't even expected by the devs.
I used to enjoy how classes played in ARR and HW and now I don't because the most you can hope for in the next expansion is that your class gets an extra damage button when they press their 2 minutes to make it easier for them to balance because they only hired 2 people to do job balance.
So instead of doing some weird shit in your 2 minutes they didn't expect that let's you do like .5% more damage you're forced to do your 8 billion potency move that it let's you do that also happens to be a GCD.
Brain dead lazy design.

>>717666880
We love him but he left at the perfect time.
Look to WoW's Sylvanas if you want an Ilberd character that overstays his welcome.

Playable burmecians are the only thing that can save FFXIV.

>>717664923
At the very least stay unsubbed til 7.35 if you want new combat content, otherwise hold off til 7.5 for the entire package.

>>717667046
>people were doing weren't even expected by the devs
MNK disproves this all together

>>717666813
>The game has never had any depth
Anon when you're shitposting you're supposed to leave out the objectively wrong shit people can call you out on. Good job invalidating your post.

>>717667009
Ah yes my static machinist rotation that was dependant on procs and using ammo for wildfire windows.
How static it must've been holding procs for wildfire windows and using a priority system and knowing when to toggle gauss barrel or use feint. Don't forget tp management and knowing when to give the party tp.

Face it you're used to modern design slop where every job is just a static rotation.

>>717667251
and that's a good thing

Just one question.

Why cant the bad guys like bandits just be killed anymore? When they are out of health they just run away in dawntrail. There was never this problem with the garleans, they got slaughtered wholesale.

>>717664435
Now that even the gods are gone it just feels like there is nothing interesting anymore about the world of FFXIV. It feels like we've seen everything worth seeing and know pretty much everything there is to know. There is just no mystery or adventure to it anymore.

>>717650928 (OP)
Reminder Square Enix's mid budget AA game push flopped even worse. /v/ shouldn't be giving any market advice because they don't know shit.

>>717659786
>>717654997
>>717653109
Lyse is a character we'd been with for a considerable chunk of the game, along with raubahn. It was the ending of everything we'd been fighting for back in eorzea up until shadow... I don't get why people hate it.
Wuk is so forced, and so, so poorly written, she is LITERALLY what they misplace-edly complained lyse was, but somehow 5 magnitudes worse than even that.

>>717667354
I miss being able to play WHM as a HoT healer to be able to spend time spamming Stone/Aero in Cleric's.

>>717667354
this doesn't seem all that different from now

Lyse was nowhere near as bad as wuk. And she only had half of the expansion to be relevant in anyway.

>>717667582
>I don't get why people hate it.
Because her character did a complete 180. I don't think anybody was really expecting her to be her usual goofy self considering the context but she was basically an entirely different character in Stormblood and she didn't have nearly enough presence to feel like she earned everything that was given to her.

>>717667354
This one hurts.
Going from having to manage Gauss Barrel, Ammo, procs, upkeeping a dot, managing my pet, managing TP/MP for the party to... doing my static rotation that never changes. But I get it, that just doesn't work in modern encounter design. I hate their obsession with DDR shit.

>>717667431
Bandits are just heckin economic victims, garleans are nazi chuds

>>717667634
MCH abilities had a % chance to combo and wildfire was on a 90sec timer. Look at the amount of buffs and buttons you were managing because you could hold the end of your combo since it was a proc.
Now you just stare at your heat gauge and mash one button when you're over heating because they really like the design where you get to mash one button that does a lot of damage.
Just look at every tank.

>>717667652
Lyse inviting the snakes into her peace summit and almost getting all of Gyr Abania tempered was in character, had consequences and was kino
Does Wuk do anything similar or is it just tacos and friendship?

>>717655603
Even fujos dislike Erenville. He may look cute, but he's so boring and his accent so bad, his charm will never be comparable to Emet, Haurchefant, or Graha's.

>>717667354
SB machinist was so peak.
The only non-static thing it has going for it now is waiting for party buffs before pressing queen.

>>717667816
>Lyse inviting the snakes into her peace summit and almost getting all of Gyr Abania tempered was in character, had consequences and was kino
xD

>>717667354
>still the same rotation overall
>starter only changed on number of ammo but still was the same in the long run to the extent that the rng behind the free ammo on combo was so well known the optimal rotation was made
Kek

>>717667870
You laugh but am I wrong? Lyse actually showing her naive dumb side and getting immediate consequences was essential.

>>717667842
>Even fujos dislike Erenville.
You clearly don't know much about fujos. He was one of the most liked characters among females in Endwalker.

>>717667925
You are. That shit was fucking retarded and Lyse suffering no long term consequences for her failure sucked dick.

>>717667880
Retard.

>>717667880
>still the same rotation overall
Is it now? Does it really look like the same rotation doing nothing but sitting there and pressing the same 3 buttons 18+ times?

>>717659541
Koji is busy with other projects, he and Ishikawa clearly haven't been able to give FFXIV more than a cursory glance since the end of EW. Also no idea if he really asked for Kate to become so important, it's more probable she was thrusted on him and he had no say in the matter.

>>717667880
Okay so you're just retarded and you never actually played older iterations of MCH. We're talking about the job that at one point had massive gaps in DPS at the 99th-100th percentile range because you could count on one hand the number of people who actually knew how to optimize it well.

Why is MCH never allowed to have either a supporting kit or do damage? It always seems to be the worst Phys Ranged.

>>717667431
Censors. In XVI the bad guys joke about how their corpses are still alive after they ragdoll

>>717668249
Phys ranged are fucked beyond belief. They decided they're supports that should do cucked damage because of the sins they committed in heavnsward.
They had to change how LB building works and make them give you 1% more vit+ damage because people stopped bringing them.
Balance team is retarded in short.

>>717667471
kinda sucks they didn't leave anything a mystery

>>717668249
Because they overcorrected the HW MCH. At that time it was unironically the strongest DPS in the game on top of providing party utility so it got nerfed hard in SB.

Something that's been bugging me for years now, why isn't magical DPS vastly stronger than melee? It has multiple costs that melee is completely unaffected by: spell interruption via damage, movement, casting time, MP, and casters being squishier. I'm not saying those costs and what little complexity they allow the game to cling to should be removed, but rather, how does Yoshi justify his stance on making everyone perform the same when they're going to make one style of damage-dealing far more cumbersome?

>>717650928 (OP)
When I saw the first trailer for Yawntrail, I already knew immediately that it would be trash. Glad i jumped the ship with the last turn EW savage boss kill.

>>717668384
You have the advantage of being ranged and you have no positionals to worry about.

ok game is dead so sad bla bla can you let me enjoy my game now?

>>717667939
Back when he was still in Endwalker, yes. But he serves literally no purpose in DT, and the fujos didn't like his reactions in Living Memory, his odd accent got tiresome fast (his mother doesn't even share it for some reason), and he is more focused on Wuk, his childhood friend, rather than the WoL (while Haurchefant, Emet, and Graha made the fujos wet because they were all characters obsessed with their WoL, each in his own different ways).

>>717668249
>Why are certain jobs fucked
They're still paying for what they did to FaustZ

>>717668384
That's simple, it's because there is the same bias to melee being unable to be in melee since the beginning of the game, and it never changed.
EW was the worst of it since the bosses all had gigantic hitboxes.
That, and every strat being melee favored.

>>717668464
Go play RDM in M7S. Without being fake melee (who would grief a group as a RDM, taking a melee spot to deal shit damage?).
>RDM most complex caster of the game

XIV follows a really simple formula. MSQ sucks = people leave, MSQ good = people join. You can talk about this or that thing that may or may not decline in quality but for the vast majority of players this is all it comes down to.

>>717668481
No

>>717668464
wow, who cares about positionals now? They just give potency "now", it's not like missing them would ruin your rotation anymore

>>717668671
>source: my own narrow point of view

they just need to make a new mmo. endwalker was a nice swansong to the setting and i really didnt want more of the xiv setting.

a final fantasy mmo styled after 7, 8, or X would be kino as hell

>>717668384
Because melee cucks are the 1st/2nd most played role in any MMO. They're also the first group of people to whine about balance.
Only behind giga casual whm players that ruin your DF roulette in FFXIV.

>>717667431
>all those girls from various races taken as slaves and comfort women by the pirates in Sastasha
>the attack on the Waking Sands
>Ilbert sacrificing hundreds of his men and Wailers for his ritual, he literally falls on a pile of corpses
>that singer in Eulmore used as a singing bird by her master, he lets her go to Vauthry and "ascend" when a doctor finds a tumor in her throat
>the WoL killing thousands of bandits, beastmen, and Garleans like there is no tomorrow
>the entirety of Meteion's report, the abominations in Radz-at-Han, and the Dead Ends
And much, much more. The game was never really dark or gritty, but details or scenes like these stood out the most especially because of that.

>>717668483
>he is more focused on Wuk, his childhood friend, rather than the WoL
That's not a problem with his character. That's a problem with the writers going so fucking hard on Wuk for some reason. Multiple characters won't shut the fuck up about her. She has brought most of the cast down. I'm not holding that against other characters, that's a problem with Wuk.

>>717668793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdppk3_HhNs

>>717668737
>don't hit trick attack from rear
>debuff doesn't apply
Pretty sure missing drg positionals also didn't net you gauge, when the drg gauge in general was still a thing haha..

>>717668781
Just look at how people remember each expansion. The playerbase adores Heavensward and Shadowbringers, while they are disdainful towards Stormblood and Dawntrail. Stormblood and Dawntraul pretty inarguably have better content than Heavensward and Shadowbringers and yet they are consistently rated lower by the playerbase due to having lower quality MSQs.

>>717668927
It just straight up didn't combo if you missed DRG positionals in ARR which was weird because MNK didn't work like that.
You also wouldn't get heavy thrust.
I remember my retarded tank didn't know how to pull T12 into position so my rotation was 3 heavy thrusts trying to hit the spinning pheonix.

>>717668876
The game itself was't that dark or gritty, but the setting is a post-apocalypse for majority of the people living in it.
>DRK story and what happened to the au ra people that came to Ishgard
>The story behind Ul'Dah and Sil'Dihn
>One of WoL's first quests is cleaning up the dirty work of Ul'Dah by wiping out the descendants of a slave revolt of a beast race that was buried alive

>>717650928 (OP)
2 more weeks

>>717668929
That's still subjective, and the game is supposed to evolve, too. How come it's been 8 years since SB, 6 since ShB, yet there is nothing new, except big failures.
Especially, saying dawntrail has better content is wrong, 2/3 of the new stuff has barely been touched and cleared by people. That's not "better" content, that's shittier content.

>>717669178
until?

>>717669185
What's wrong bro you don't like lazily designed mechanics that just spam if 8 people aren't alive kill the raid?
Better yet let's increase it to 24 that's fun.

>>717669178
it's so over fr fr

>>717669067
And yet Dawntrail forgets all of this, despite the game clearly implying there is bloody history in Tural too. The giants were warmonger slavers who used to tear off people's limbs, so much the rivers turned red. Mamook and the Hrothgar cursed each other for generations, the minion you get for helping the Corbservant is a reference to the Mayan human sacrifices, the small villages hiding in the jungles have to rely on sacred artifacts to survive because they don't trust each other etc. But the expansion ignores all this, and instead gives you a pretty picture to look at, where everyone is at peace and conflicts can be resolved with a good taco. It's maddening.

>>717669261
Thinking it like that, it really is true, and it's worse since they went from 8 to 24 (chaotic), to 48 (FT) in less than 6 months LMAO.

>>717669185
If the content is the same then tbe only variable we even have to measure things by is MSQ quality. And honestly it's not just Dawntrial, pretty much everything post 6.1 has sucked from the MSQ. Its little wonder people have started leaving, that's nearly three years now of the story sucking dick.

>post EW
>multiple patches of zero eating different types of food

>>717669006
>they remove heavy thrust
>actually they just relocate it to disembowl
>the duration is too short to properly do your rotation because they literally do not playtest jobs
>you cannot get your dmg buff in aoe unless you awkwardly do half your combo during aoe pulls
>they finally decide to add it to aoe combo
>still fucked on lower levels when you don't have anything but doom spike
And the best will always be needing to do your 24-second dot combo on a mook that will already be dead in 2 seconds because there's literally no other way to get your dmg buff except if you do your aoe combo on a single mob and even that only works when you actually have sonic thrust.

The single-button heavy thrust should never have been removed, or they need to remove the buff from disembowl entirely because this current design really is the very definition of clunk and retarded.

>downward trend
glad i unsubbed from this shitty garbage game 9 months ago

>>717669425
>you cannot get your dmg buff in aoe unless you awkwardly do half your combo during aoe pulls
This drove me insane.

>>717669425
>heavy thrust had to be removed because reasons
>they literally give it to reaper but in reverse
will never not be funny lmao

>>717662772
Alliance raids are for casuals Id have that in the bottom list too

Can I address the elephant in the room that MMOs now have to compete with gachas and they just cannot keep up with the production rates of the great chink casino machine?

>>717669830
gachas are what non-mmo players stereotype mmos as

>>717669425
If the credits are to be believed there's 2 people on job balance.

>>717669830
They're also a lot more short lived. They're fire and forget money printing schemes, not videogames capable of any kind of longevity.

>>717664082
Not a chance, too risky to cement certain characters in, too risky to piss off certain people
Their break-the-glass moment is a Sephiroth fight

>>717669830
MMO requires constant monthly payments to access

Gacha is literally free and only want payments for shit like boobs. This is
Much
More acceptable

>>717669969
The fuck are you talking about
Successful gachas produce their content for 10+ years

>>717651357
Aether servers feel so empty at times. Maybe I picked the wrong one...(in Stag, btw)

>>717664278
I believe the game was named Foreskin

>>717670034
There isn't a single one that had remained successful for that long/.

>>717651347
>Armourfags first gaslight
Double-digit IQ tactics go!

>>717670034
Those are a minority. Corporations don't try to pump and dump MMOs because they cost a lot of fucking money to make. Your standard gacha is dirt cheap so there's barely any risk.

>>717664825
This is true, fortunately most of the DT complaints have been universal

>>717652797
Catch up retard, Wuk got lyse'd

>>717670024
Not only that, they also provide once-per-month MSQ shot and the most clever companies make sure that the players never get off that needle with pushing them to play other cash cows after they consoomed everything their favorite exe has to offer, for now; yes, MHY, I'm talking about you.

>>717670093
Literally FGO.

>>717670289
Just like Azur Lane, FGO is not successful anymore. It's kept around because it has a few whales propping it up, but it has zero mass market appeal.

>>717670162
honestly, i fail to see what was so bad about Lyse?

>>717670392
So just like XIV

>>717670461
and many other mmos

>>717665075
It doesm't matter how good 8.0 is. Sprouts will reach Dawntrail eventually. It's now a massive, permanent filter to the game's lifepan.

>>717670461
I would consider a game averaging 500k subscribers a mass market success.

>>717670503
This guy knows it.

>>717670503
I honestly would assume that DT will be the start for new characters come 8.0.

>>717670503
I really feel like if someone had the patience to get all the way to DT they'd be willing to hold their noses and power through if 8.0 was good.

>>717670562
That's just crumbs compared to genshit's 300mil players worldwide

>>717670628
>turns out that's just yet another WoL's split personality

>>717659552
kek
imagine seeing some fucking sexual predator and feeling sorry for the piece of shit

>>717670641
Genshit is also not over a decade old and according to market research of those 300 million players, only 2% to 6% constitute active, repeated paying customers. We should have this conversation again in five years.

>>717662772
>2x MSQ
>2x Trials
>2x dungeons
>4x normal raids
>alliance raid
one done stuff
>1x Beastmaster
>1x BLU
fun for a day or two getting all the spells and getting the new title
>1x Variant
like 12 unique runs or so right?
>X new OC Jobs
just a few new buttons really, doesn't add that much as its still using the same old zone
>1x OC Northhorn
>1x Deep Dungeon
it sucks the DD isn't until october and new OC isnt even until 7.55. they at least seem like shit that you can do continuously

>Garbage MMO that needs top to bottom reworks on most of its design, gameplay and content needs to change so it can become profitable
where have I heard this one before

>>717666529
BUT MUH PEASE AN HAPENIS!

>>717671124
Drop the meteor
I'm no longer asking

>>717671159
I have peace in real life, Yoshida. I come to fictional worlds to experience new things.

>>717671268
>I have peace in real life
NOT FOR LONG

>>717671208
I don't get it

>>717651209
You financially illiterate bafoon, this refers to how specific investors aim to gain the stake required to decide how a company is run.
They could vote to remove members of the board of directors who facilitate Yoshit Piss's vision.

>>717667251
You're a retard if you thought they wouldn't bring them back. deal with it nerd

>>717667431
Tural is supposed to be some Utopia where nothing bad really happens

It doesn’t matter if future expacs will be better. If they don’t make Dawntrail skippable by default (not one time, but forever), people drop off from the game once they reach it.

>>717671816
You have msq skips just for that.

>>717671908
needing to pay money will still deter a lot of people though

>>717671816
Something of an exaggeration man. People still power through seventh astral era.

>>717671973
Glad I unsubbed from this dying MMO 3 months ago

>>717671908
>Just buy the skip
Genuinely, I hope you choke on your own saliva in your sleep.

>>717671758
Theres too much peace between nations and peoples on etheirys now

>>717650928 (OP)
Get rid of yoshi p who built xiv up in the first place yeah just like we got rid of sakaguchi when his movie flopped that paid off --oh right...

Why the fuck is my graphics card revving up so much more during the last boss of the new dungeon?

>>717671973
You don't need to any of that.

>>717672060
>point out that the company already has a way to allow for you to skip an expansion you hate
>sperg out at me instead of acknowledging that it is their way of making money and that nothing will change from your posting here

>>717667514
They weren’t good.

I just don't want to play this game anymore

>>717672140
They ran out of QA anon

>>717650928 (OP)
losing money is the only true antidote to listening to trannies tell you how to do things

>>717672184
>we should reward a company for delivering a shit product by paying even more money to skip it.
KYS

>>717672351
It wasn't trannies.
https://x.com/geogrify?lang=en

>>717665290
They really need to change the MSQ so it isn't just purple circles, purple clouds, and cutscenes. Even if they're braindead simple stuff like the 1v1 duel events at least breaks up the monotony of go here, click on cloud, kill mobs that appear out of nowhere, return to sender. And this one is just a me thing probably, but the cutscenes are egregiously long. You could probably measure an appreciable amount of cutscene time spent if you only count the times either of the twins are making the pondering emote. There's just so much padding.

>>717672360
Or you can just not play it and not pay for any of it. And if you want to keep playing the game without paying for it, get a free trial account.

if they remake the game again they should make it more like runescape but with good combat

>>717672432
people not playing and not paying for it are the reason they got here and is the issue we want to see tackled though
we don't absolutely hate the game but its current state tarnishes the memory of the good times we once had and we'd love to continue playing if it could find some glory again

>>717672530
Who is this we?

>>717672530
They are never going to give you the ability to skip Dawntrail for free no matter how much you ask for it. It wouldn't be acknowledged even if the Japanese asked for it. There's only so much face a Japanese company can tolerate losing, they already deviated from their pipeline enough by re-recording the voicelines of that troon during the patches being live, instead of quietly updating it years later like it is usually done with voicework. It's not going to happen. I detested Dawntrail and I think it shouldn't exist either, but it's unrealistic to ask for this sort of thing. The best thing you can do as an individual is just not give them money and find a different game to play.

>>717650928 (OP)
Killing Wuk would bring people back. Especially if there was a way the player got to kill her.

I finally played through FFV recently and it made me realize that YoshiP has scavenged like 90% of that game and put it in XIV.
I think this is why I've been so fucking bored the last two expansions.
There's no point in paying attention to Zero because anyone with any knowledge of IV knows that it will end with fighting Golbez and then fighting Zeromus.
Same with this patch cycle. It's just IX so you're gonna fight Necron.

>>717672132
>etheirys
You know what it's name is
Also Hingashi is a shithole
Should do some adventuring there

>>717670432
The opposite of Wuk. While Wuck swallowed the entire screentime Lyse was shoved in every scene even if it had nothing to do with her.

>>717672735
it was so nice that the FF7 weapon trials had no actual connection to FF7 besides some meme dialogue
>>717672703
>lose face by admitting you were wrong
>continuing to lose face at a rapid pace by pretending nothing is wrong
the great japanese paradox and also the biggest fag defense technique ever

>>717671816
yeah
just like ARR
and just like StB.

>>717672836
Most of the MSQ wasn't "Speak with Lyse" and she didn't have more dialogue than most npc's in the game combined.

>>717672881
It's a significant enough problem that corporations give you special instructions on how to deal with the Japanese and reporting problems to them or discussing issues with them in the business field.

>SE is floundering
>XIV gets left out to starve
>meanwhile MtG does a FF crossover and it is the most successful the set has ever been
>Y'shtola's card is by far and wide one of the most expensive
They must be so incredibly confused at the SE HQ.

>>717672836
WoL sparred with Lyse to help Lyse train
WoL couldn't spar with Wuk because Wuk would have killed him, instead WoL just watched Wuk from a distance to gain experience and learn from Wuk

Can they save the game by adding npc EBs?
If they're so eager to ditch the scions, maybe they should have you pump a few kittens in this hag

>>717673062
Go back to your gachaslop.

how do you guys feel knowing a good 75% of posts in any ff14 thread is one schizo samefag saying the same 5 talking points endlessly for months on end?

>>717672965
>Most of the MSQ wasn't "Speak with Lyse"
Yes, but she was shoved almost every quest.
>>717673040
Source my ass.

>>717672976
>Peter Principle all of the competent people off the XIV team
>continue to use it as a piggybank for one failed vanity projevt after another
> Y XIV NO PRINT MONEY
How do such retarded people always wind up being the ones in charge

>>717672735
hey it's fitting at least
>Calyx is an ass pull just like necron, defeated almost as soon as he appeared
and they just do the same thing themselves
>the scions are disbanding
>j/k see you in 5mn
>what about using all the other original characters? you must be joking

>>717673145
She wasn't, during the Azim Steppe segment, Magnai specifically told her to fuck off because he deemed her "unstable" and she was milking cows with the rest of the steppe women offscreen.

>>717673086
Pity.

>>717672965
surely japan will eventually figure out that why they are slowly being overtaken by korean and chinese media
if they're a polite society then surely they can stand to have a bit more humility and confidence

>>717672703
1.0 happened. they kowtowed and cried like bitches in front of the world when it was a huge disaster . This is the very studio lead by the same who criticized the 1.0 team for doing exactly what his studio is doing now.

>>717673086
It must be really quite annoying for him that despite all his rage and a mediocre expansion, XIV keeps on trucking.

>>717672881
I like XIV when it does it's own thing.
Even though I bet in some meeting they made a
>This expansion has to have the two superbosses from V in it. Make it Happen.
bulletin point. Shinryu and Omega were still written into the story in a XIV way.
Come Endwalker we've degraded into
>The FF4 portal opened up let's go explore!
>The FF9 portal opened up let's go explore!

>>717673231
Yeah "almost every quest". That's why Azim Steppe was considered the best part, just like Yaasulani was besides being 'merica.

>>717673289
They kowtowed and cried after the project was saved and deemed a smashing success, had ARR been deemed a failure they would have tried to sweep it under the rug instead.

>>717673085
I dont play gacha though
But I did put 6000 hours into this game and I kinda dont want it to die
I do want to see wuk get shoved into a woodchipper though

>>717672770
H*daelyn is was a filthy primal. The planet is Etheirys.

>>717673335
He's been doing overtime since 7.3 dropped and the people playing it have been positive on it.

>>717666880
Ilberd dragging the city states into direct conflict was sick as fuck. An understandable villain that actually accomplished his goals. I know we all like to shit on the Mhiggers, but the build up to Stormblood was really good. Just a shame that the story kind of shits itself because they decided to shove Doma into the same expansion. It really should have been after Ala Mhigo's liberation.

>>717660258
So Im not the only one that noticed they refer to tribes as "peoples" in video games now, right?

>>717673335
nta but he also doubletimes as the mha schizo on /a/, trying to prove the second highest grossing anime movie of all time is secretly a flop

>>717673492
Ilberd saved the universe.

Man I got demolished by the PoTD hydra boss on floor 30.
How.

Bravo to Yoshi P for really nailing the "Necron shows up out of fucking nowhere in the last five minutes of the game" from FF9, very faithful adaptation.

If they want to make all this modern fashion. Shouldn't they just make a new MMO and have it have a FF8 style setting?
Where you have dudes with fur trimmed coats and sci-fi space ships and funny looking vehicles but stuff doesn't just look like real life like XV?

>>717673492
SB could've been salvaged if they made Raubahn a leader instead of FUCKING LYSE

>>717660951
How do you make gil in ff14 without buying it from farmers. I've never had more than a few million to my name since I started over a decade ago.

>>717673618
Stand under him to avoid the fear effect. Don't put the ice and fire puddles under him

>>717673720
Do treasure maps with randoms and leve quest reward crafting.

>>717673492
I fear the monkey paw would have made it odd in some other way like the team having an aneurysm and being unable to make 3 extra central Asian looking zones interesting or some other silly thing.

>>717673730
No, his auto attacks just hit like crazy. Even with steel pomanders.

>>717673883
Your Aetherpool is probably just low then

>>717662772
After the last BLU update, I've learned to expect less than nothing. What are they even going to add? 2 actually usable spells that don't add any flavour or complexity and just replace a slightly worse previous version of itself?

>>717673930
It's 19/23. That should be high enough, right?

>>717673812
The issue would have been similar to Dawntrail - Japan hates letting gaijin meddle in their internal affairs. It's why you can go around not-medieval-France executing popes, nobles and righting all the wrongs, but the only time you ever run afoul of Doman authorities, you are only permitted to run and hide from them and the only villain to ever exist in any questlines pertaining to it is a filthy rebel that wants to depose the good and just rule of the daimyo that presides over a society where most men are slaves and most women are whores to make ends meet. Japanese are incredibly insecure about their national history, even in Fantasy not-Japan, so they'd never allow you to meaningfully meddle with it.

>>717673492
This game didn’t need world ending cosmic threat every fucking patch. It needs more ilberd type threat minus the primal summoning.

So did they ever release the beastmaster

>>717674175
no

>>717674175
No they should'nt have teased it and just had it a as a surprise like they did Blue Mage

I don't hate the new trophy crystal glams as much as expected. It has enough style to feel FF-ish.
Fuck that series rank 25 glam though.

What if we get the FF9 monologue where Vivi dies but it's not Vivi, it's Wuk Lamat, except now there's a million of Wuk Lamat's kids.

>>717674175
Cancelled. They're abandoning this dogshit expansion.

they really should just make an xiv 3.0 at this point because this games engine is too fucked for them to last another 10 years like this

>>717674371
Is this the new "they're never making an expansion again" because they weren't releasing one during the first year of EW?

gee i wonder what type of poster is posting this "they need to make le xiv-2 to save the game" thing

>>717674175
I don't really see who Beastmaster is for. Wasn't turning BLU into a weekly Poetics farmer and low lvl fate grinder sad enough?

>>717674175
Given how they’re scrambling to end shitrai so early. It’s likely they’re reworking it for next expac as an actual job.

>>717674434
Guy will use anything to FUD. You should know that by now.
He got caught outright editing headlines and pictures for his agenda.

>>717674284
Why do I always see female midlander with the modern shit being posted here? Is this AGP trannies trying to skinwalk people they know from iRL?

>>717674617
You are mentally ill.

What happened to the being forced to identify yourself thing they added in 7.3?

Funny how I'm looking forward to the deep dungeon if only because the First is about as far away from the current story you can possibly go seeing as the WoL is the only one able to go there.

>>717674912
Gaia can move back and forth at will and can theoretically bring people with her but she's raid content so never ever.

>>717675670
Unless something happened after our last meeting she hasn't completely mastered her powers yet.
Cue the day they make Eden mandatory and she becomes a part of a future expansion.

>>717675823
well, she appeared in 6.5, so maybe