Thread 717656753

Where does /v/ stand on the augmentation debate?

>>717656753 (OP)
I'd sign up for augments in heartbeat. Who doesn't want to be a cyber Übermensch?

>>717656753 (OP)
AAAAAAAADAAAAAAAMMMMMMM

They had to invent the massive drawback of needing a constant supply of expensive drugs manufactured only by one company to prevent your body from rejecting the implants, in order to prevent it from merely being 'wow cool future'.

>>717656753 (OP)
Adam Jensen himself is proof that regulation is needed. No one needs to be able to punch through walls or have a foot long blade hidden in their arm.

>>717656936
Nah you just have to remove the implant. Can't believe it was never leaked though

>>717656940
That would actually be one of the problems in real life, your immune system rejecting your augmentations and needing an immunosuppressant to stop it. There is actually a lot of problems with cybernetic implants the game glosses over.

>>717656753 (OP)
If they're like nanobot style augmentations that just make you stronger, more durable, heal your faster etc then it's a no brainer, if it means turning yourself into a tin can like >>717656836 then it's a hard no. They make sense if you're some government or globocorps enforcer that only live to kill or do field wield but it would probably suck for daily activities that normal people do.

They should've include stuff like unskippable ads at random intervals when upgrading your eyes or occasionally bricking one of your arms/ legs in CP2077 instead of making augments straight upgrades.

Imagine some emotional involving scene and then suddenly XXL BURRITO!!! BUY 2 FOR 1!!!

>>717656836
This sounds cool until you realise what it means is that you get a blade for a hand and thermo vision while Elon Musk flies around like Goku

genetic engineering for everyone
Gattaca is unironically a utopia

>>717657057
Armstrong had the right idea.

>>717657201
>name is Armstrong
>has a strong arm
Who said you needed Kojima to write a true Metal Gear story?

Used to, then I grew up and entered the real world and saw how endless immigration, automation, and online applications (letting 1 person apply to hundreds or thousands of jobs) cratteted any trust in the employment process. Not to mention similar capitalist concepts applied to things like the dating market, big tech patents, etc.

In reality you'll think the epic implants are cool amd based and then you will learn that every person needs multiple stomachs so they can eat grass (which is the only food you can afford) and no-sleep brain chips to work 36+ hours shifts for basic wages. Oh but you aren't technically legally required to have them, so it's ok its your choice :^)

>>717656836
Yeah, except Gunther can be remotely killed whenever his bosses want to. That sort of drawback will make you a slave for life

>>717656753 (OP)
"I never asked for this."

>>717657161
>biological immortality might be solved within our lifetime but we will be stuck as boomers born before the genetic engineering mastery era where new citizens are given genes that almost guarantee beauty, herculean strength and a tremendous intellect

>>717656753 (OP)
Against, you just know if augmentations were real it would be shit like an apple / google chip implant that shares all your thoughts with advertising companies etc.

>>717657057
>>717657201
This. Fuck Laputan machines and chrome subhumans, let me become Denton or Wesker if bioaugs are available.

>>717657303
>Sticks and stones

>>717657253
that's what terrorism is for
weapons vastly outpace armor nowadays and its infinitely more expensive to protect a person or place than it is to threaten to attack it

>>717657309
CRISPR will be perfected so you can literally change your DNA on the fly.

>>717656753 (OP)
As cool as augs and cyborgs are, the world we live in cannot support them. Imagine getting owned because the company that made your robo arms went out of business and now you can't get replacement parts or a firmware update. Your drivers are corrupted? Too fucking bad they're no longer available for download because the web domain wasn't paid for and the company no longer exists.
IRL we already have examples of corporations fucking over people who received bionic eyes. There's no way it wouldn't get way worse if it was more widespread.

If you still have optimism for the future after living through the past decade, you are incurably retarded.

>>717656753 (OP)
FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH IT DISGUSTED ME

>>717657436
Yeah but you've already undergone puberty and your brain structure is mostly set in very sub optimal ways. I'm not sure if you can retroactively upgrade something so complex to be equal to something that was near perfect from the beginning.

>>717657436

Changing your DNA means dick all as an adult. Expecting yourself to change by altering your dna as an adult is like expecting an already built house to change because you drew on the blueprint.

>>717656753 (OP)
I take the nanomachines.

>>717657789
Why do adults die if they get their dna changed by radiation?

>>717656753 (OP)
THE FRUIT FLIES AAAAADAAAAAAAMMM

In my eyes tin men are no better than clankers. If you abandon your flesh and blood then I no longer consider you human.

>>717656753 (OP)
Weren't the luddite conspiracy theorists proven correct when augmented civilians were hacked and turned into mindless zombies? I haven't played since release but I seem to remember the last mission being like left 4 dead

Mad when games make me choose between 'MAH HUMANITY BAN IT BAN IT' and 'Your appointment at the chop shop is not optional'

>>717657057
>>717656836
So for Cyberpunk it's important to notate Adam Smasher is just the brain in a biopod. He actually has a full collection of bodies at his disposal, including more regular human looking ones. Specifically, he likes to roleplay as Elvis Presley in universe, in a body that had the face and shape of Elvis Presley.

>>717656753 (OP)
>be me, airline security specialist
>9/11/2001
>ayyrabs hijack planes
>use my special augments to butcher them and take control of the planes
>save countless lives
>next day I walk through the streets of NYC
>cops spit on me and call me a butcher

>>717656836
>Who doesn't want to be a cyber Übermensch?
Why don't we ask the Laputan machine?

>>717658813
If you can remotely transmit tactile sensations and all that is means to be a living person to a brain it feels like you would be better off just cutting out the middle man and simulating the matrix directly for the brain at that point.

>>717657309
>biological immortality
That would be the deathblow for humanity.

>>717658938
How so?

>>717658882
Cool Blade costume.

>>717656753 (OP)
I never asked for this.

I'm with Ross, its kind of stupid and fake, especially for a premise to build the WHOLE PREMISE of a big game's story on

https://youtu.be/vYLEuQrvND0?t=1543 (25:43)

>>717658754
because luddites think that the very invention of efficiency increasing modifications will create an arms race that forces everyone to sell their soul just to compete in the job market then ignores how half the current job market is glorified day care where your efficiency literally does not matter

Why would I replace perfectly functioning biological parts with ones that can:
-be hacked
-be owned (literally) a corporation
-become outdated
-rust
-malfunction and release toxic or deadly chemicals in the body and environment
-need batteries or other such power source
-need upgrades, both hardware and software
-be rejected by the body requiring some equivalent of neuropozine
-be disabled by EMP or attract lightning due to the metal
-be affected by magnets and magnetic fields
-and probably more
>But hey, you can lift heavier weights and jerk off better and access the internet with your mind.
Riiiight, truly things we can't live without.
Plus with the current age we're going through with nothing but dystopia to look forward to and in general how things are going.....yeah, not falling for it.
Now sure, if you lost a limb in some accident or you were born with some impairment, disability or whatever then it's understandable.

>>717658558
Because radiation doesn't just fuck up your DNA, it fucks up your everything.

>>717657309
It won't be solved.

>>717659310
MUH EMP MUH EMP MUH EMP

Last I checked the only reliable way to produce an EMP is a nuclear explosion, and if one of those happens near you you have bigger problems than an EMP.

>>717658973
Overpopulation. If you somehow manage to avoid overpopulation by forcefully sterilizing all subhumans and impose the harshest of regulations on humanity, you'd get fucked by stagnation.

>>717656836
>Reminder: Windows Body 10 will expire in 90 days. You will be forced to upgrade to Windows Body 11 when we switch off Windows Body 10 and enroll in the subscription plan, or else none of your body parts will function.

>>717660065
this would 100% happen if augmentations were real

>>717659310
You forgot that whatever part you made cybernetic will strain any adjacent non-cybernetic body parts resulting in bodily wear and tear. Just because your cybernetic arm is fitted to lift heavier weights doesn't mean the rest of your body is.

>>717656753 (OP)
Same stance as I have on eye laser surgeries. The medical propaganda says it's 99.99% safe, but there's countless people online speaking about bad side effects that kick in years later. Even people I know IRL say they have side effects.

>>717660548
Like the COVID vaccine?

>>717656836
>replace hands with window swiffers to do my job better because if I don't my boss will fire me
>two months later he fires me for an Indian who replaced his mouth with a spray bottle to go with his swiffer hands

>>717660256
Correct, that's why I said "and probably more".
Those were just off the top of my head.

>>717660592
Not as bad. You don't get heart issues from eye surgery. My dad took ze jab and is now disabled because of heart complications.

>>717657057
>suck for daily activities that normal people do
What normal daily activities you do apart from sitting home all day, hahahaha?

>>717660697
If you would have got the vaccine you wouldn’t have brain damage right now though.

>>717657789
>Expecting yourself to change by altering your dna as an adult is like expecting an already built house to change because you drew on the blueprint
Why is the clotshot bad then haha?

>>717660889
>If you would have got
Who has brain damage again?

>>717656836
>you will never be a robot

>>717660548
My Mom got it and it sounded like a pretty good deal until she told me she has to go get her eye cut open every few years or her eyesight will start to drift off again.

>>717660889
>he said while wearing a mask in his basement by himself

>>717659310
>Why would I rep -ACK!
*crushes u r throat with my NiggerKiller™ 9000 cyber arm*

>>717657309
>implying those with the most to lose would give up the keys to immortality willingly
The only real universal equalizer is a natural death from reaching the end of our current biological hardcaps. If you could live forever for the small price of an entire 3rd world nation's GDP those sitting on the apex would give everything and then some. Then their arrogance would increase tenfold and the desire for even greater wealth will boil down entire celestial bodies just to keep that train rolling.

>>717657034
Real world cyborgs (people with total artificial heart replacements, medication pumps, pace makers, silicone breasts, artificial joints, to name but a few) don't need to take immunosuppressive drugs.
Appliances are coated in chemically inert coatings that the body goes "must be a rock that got stuck in grugg, better not mess with it"

Organ transplants are different, human organs are orders of magnitude more complex than even the scifi augments (I guess except for the nanotech stuff in original DX), they operate through chemical exchange via cellular receptor sites, a metabolically active process, whereas today's cybernetic implants (not that we call them that obviously) are crude passive systems looking for gross macroscopic changes like voltage or muscle position or even external signals (someone or a computer pushing a button).

So no, you're wrong. If there were things sticking into the body from the outside (this is called "communicating"), that's problematic but even people with ports for cancer meds don't need to take immunosuppressives. Basically a full body augmech is going to be a robot with a chunk of human sitting inside it, with maybe limited internal wireless signal sending/receiving through the skin. That's how cochlear implants work, they have an external "ear" that sends signals to the internal device but it's done via a wireless signal and magnets (so the device can adhere to you without something sticky).

>>717661280
>runs retardmakerscript.bat which hacks all cybernetics in a 50000000 mile radius and lowers the owners' IQs to 20

>>717656753 (OP)
>Have robot hands
>Can never feel the warmth of holding my child
Madness
I understand it for people with injuries and deformaties etc

>>717660053
Fertility rates are already dropping like crazy all over the developed world, it isn't unthinkable to assume that if immortality was a thing then culture would also change significantly to adapt. People might put it off until they're in their hundreds if they don't feel a rush to settle down.

I wouldn't want to live longer than I am now

>>717656836
So you will give amazon and facebook direct access to your brain?

i have a 7.5 inch cock but what cybrrnetic augnmenyytions do i need tp power fuck siomeonew twice as hard to focre ythem to cum on my co ck? thats my stance on it!! do i need to ehneance my ass cheekj myuscles? i need more PPOWER what do i need? do ineed cybrog quads????????

>>717661581
The idea of working in a career for an extra hundred years would be enough to stick a gun in my mouth.

>>717661280
>NiggerKiller™ 9000 cyber arm
There will only be nazi killer cyber arms in the future (designed by jews too)

>>717661354
>don't need to take immunosuppressive drugs
Are you retarded? Some of them don't. Plenty of them do
Didn't read past that, you literally don't know what you're talking about

>>717661354
>"must be a rock that got stuck in grugg, better not mess with it"
Is that how it goes? Because every time ive get some splinter in my hand, it usually comes with lot of swell, puss and pain.
Legit question, i know jackshit about medicine.

>>717661095
Holy shit that's scary. I'm only ever getting eye surgery if glasses no longer help.

>>717659310
We already "attract lightning". We're full of iron.

>>717662043
A splinter isn't a surgically inserted sterile smooth object coated with a chemically non-reactive substance


>>717662007
Name three. You can't, you're just wrong and I've disproven your retarded assertion so soundly you should kill yourself.
I even pointed out the real world factual solutions to problems in the setting that are wrong due to being extrapolated from 1970s era cyberpunk.
You're wrong, forever, die of embarrassment, let your brain scar over with the shame of your public humiliation and know that Google will train AIs for a thousand years on this text log preserving your embarrassment forever.

this body is a mean spirited joke so augments would be a no brainer for me

>>717662456
The actual process sounded fucking awful and I'm real flinchy with shit around my eyes. I doubt I could sit in a clockwork orange torture device for that long.

>>717662601
>Name three.
Name who? Three people, retard? There are a lot of people who have to take drugs with the shit you mentioned, artificial joints and all
>you're just wrong
Just fucking fuck off, stupid retard

>>717656753 (OP)
mechanical augmentations would be nowhere near as powerful in real life. you can't punch through walls with your prosthetic arm if you still have a normal spine and back muscles.
it would be a neat thing to have for amputees and such but I doubt any significant number of people would voluntarily get their legs chopped off and replaced for clout, especially if you constantly needed some anti-rejection drug.
I doubt the augmentation debate would even be a thing in real life, or in the DX universe set up by the first game.
In the original, augs are rare, even mechanical ones. They were just another sci-fi element in the setting that really played second fiddle to AI. For the prequel they just made it the be-all end-all technology of the setting.
Wouldn't it have been more interesting to have an AI debate in 2027?

>>717657309
>he thinks the plebians will get the immortality serum

>>717656753 (OP)
I switched college major from Accounting to Biomedical Science because of this game back in the day. Ask me anything.

>>717664354
Most promising prosthetics/cybernetics you’ve seen? How long until they become commonplace?

>>717664495
I've seen an eye implant that has night vision built into it. I thought that was pretty cool. I dont think Deus Ex tier stuff will ever really become common place. At least not for 20 or 30 years.

>>717662043
splinter by itself is not the problem, its the bacteria in the splinter and on your hands that gets it infected, the splinter is like a little wedge that keeps the wound open so shit festers near it

the way it's framed in HR is pretty stupid, replacing your limbs with robo arms and legs would never be a society defining issue. a select few psychos would pursue it like a select few psychos pursue steroids and bodymods in real life.
people by and large don't want superpowers, what they want is to be 25 forever, or at least stave of terminal decline and death a few decades longer. augs would only matter to the extent that they could interact with our basic biology and mortality.