Thread 717664019

Why are fightan games dead?

>>717664019 (OP)
Not much to improve/evolve. They are very limited genre in what you can do. The biggest change I noticed since I stopped playing them like 15 years ago is pay 2 win characters.

>>717664019 (OP)
I JUST FIGURED OUT WHERE THIS IS TRACED FROM.

It's probably Axl Rose's dance moves. I kept looking for lady dancing videos, but it's a dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8RD0pvqyAI

>>717664187
>traced

>>717664236
rotoscoped, whatever. I know they did it for SF3.

>>717664378
Those DLR music videos are pure cocaine-fuelled fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktVlWuamzR8&

>>717664019 (OP)
Fighting games are a niche genre because the onboarding process is so bad still. Since fighting games like progression systems either during or outside of an individual match like a MOBA or an FPS or something, the player is immediately given a complex character to control that has like 60 different moves with unique properties and frame data. The "fun" part of fighting games (footsies, punish, mindgames, learning your opponent, combos) is also something that is not taught to players. People jump into fighting games trying to play like they want instead of treating it like a dance of some kind.

>>717664019 (OP)
I played the deadest current game just yesterday and still got ranked match pings every minute. The better question is why does /v/ keep using this bait to start fighting game threads? Because YOU don't play?

>>717665701
>I played the deadest current game just yesterday and still got ranked match pings every minute
sure you did buddy

>>717665805
Why be an asshole about it? I don't care if you don't believe me.

>>717665785
sexo

>>717665785
lifting her feet to much, needs more of a gliding motion

>>717664187
I was about to ask. Could very well be.

>>717665785
>spats
>not buruma
2/10

>>717664019 (OP)
lack of an arcade scene outside of nipland and the games just aren't very fun for new players because there is a massive skill floor so you just get bodied by smurfing fags who don't want like forced ELO based match making.
Fighting games are going to remain niche as fuck until they can figure out how to make it so new players can play the games and not get destroyed.

>>717664019 (OP)
because they're almost all unstraight troongine 3dslop trash, and then even the few that aren't 3dslop niggertrash are still fucking shit tier like type lumina and arcana heart lovemaxx 13 whatever the fuck its retardedly long title is

>>717664019 (OP)
designed to be safe and stable esports slop, not for fun
every game just tries to copy each other
devs prove time and time again that they have no passion for the product, only monetization schemes, frequently argue and complain on twitter how mean the players are who just want a good game for once

>>717664156
That's not entirely true. It's possible to innovate in this genre, it's just every game that tried to innovate inevitably ended up poorly balanced and got branded as a kusoge. That was a death sentence before the days of online updates so developers just stopped doing it. You rarely see young game designers, so this mentality still persists in the industry.

>>717665701
What's the name of the game?

Does anyone want to play SoulCalibur I/II/VI?

>>717665785
Wood

>>717666614
Fatal Fury. Guess Nen Impact technically has the throne for deadest (does licensed slop really count?) and I wasn't aware UNI got an update last year, thought it was more dated than that.

>>717665785
needs a panty flash

Do Korean levers actually see any use in 2D stuff or are they pretty much just a Tekken thing?

>>717666773
I'd like to say yes but I'm not at home at the moment, sorry lad. Would be down sometime this weekend if you're still about though, I'll try and make a thread tomorrow or Sunday.

>>717666773
Yeah but I'm taking a huge diarrhea dump right now

>>717666773
that pic has the red eyes glowing meme, he's definitely looking on enjoying those boobs.

>>717664019 (OP)
Fighting games aren't dead. You just suck and make this thread daily

>>717664019 (OP)
same reason rts, afps and other 1v1 games are dead. its uncomfortable playing 1v1 because you cant blame team mates. it also takes months if not years to actually get good those games I mean actually good. with the amount of games people nowadays have its understandable they dont want that kind of commitment.

>>717667705
>same reason rts, afps and other 1v1 games are dead. its uncomfortable playing 1v1 because you cant blame team mates.
hah

>>717667817
dont you think so?

>>717667135
Is this from Capcom Vs SnK or a Mugen custom?

>>717667859
I agree. Only second to not being good or totally new and getting dunked on repeatedly.
That's why games without matchmaking or some sort of decent lobby system filter out a lot of people.

>>717668032
I believe its part of kyosukes super from cvs2

>>717665785
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>717664187
>TRACED
dumb nigro

>>717668568
i c. based sprites that will never return.

zoomer game devs fear the green hand

>>717664019 (OP)
because they are pieces of remedial yolo mashing garbage made for rogs

>>717665785
Came to this thread to post this
It's like getting punched in the chest when I watch it

My life is a perpetual cycle of thinking how fun 3S is, playing it until I lose and then deciding it's terrible and that I wasted my time

My daughter Makoto

>>717671180
>we are never EVER getting high quality sprites again
>we are never EVER getting a character like makoto again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwLZr92dPDQ

suicide me senpai

>>717671264
The thrill of playing Mak is akin to gambling
There's no other fighting game character like her
(SSFIV version doesn't count)

>>717664378
I always felt like there was something weird with that Elena animation.
Now I know. It's fucking frame perfect copy

>>717664019 (OP)
Why is she stealing Bridget's moves?

>>717671421
Rotoscoping is kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJIE9kjoQo

>>717671264
>>we are never EVER getting high quality sprites again

I think we are and we can likely thank AI. I can imagine someone making 3D models and a 3D fighting game engine, then using AI to rotoscope those into 2D sprites.

>>we are never EVER getting a character like makoto again

She's based off of a Fighting History character, who in turn was based on Ryunosuke from Urusei Yatsura. Ask Rumiko for a "Rumic World" fighter.

>>717672142
>hink we are and we can likely thank AI
Sar yes slop good good saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

>>717672212
AI is obviously abused, but that is an area where it would genuinely help. You have a blank 3D model with markers to help guide the computer playing out an animation. You have the character design from multiple angles and you ahve a pool of reference material. The computer then rotoscopes over the 3D model to create a 2D animation.

Rotoscoping 3D models his how they made a lot of 3rd Strike's animations, but the process is long and tedius, and only gets more time intensive in HD.

>>717664156
There's still plenty of room of innovation and experiment, but then anything that isn't a Street Fighter clone stops being called a fighting game for some mysterious reason.

>>717671421
The thing that's weird isn't the rotoscope it's that the head doesn't move at all, it's a pasted on jpeg while the rest of the body is highly animated.

>>717671421
what's weird isn't the rotoscope, it is the fact that her head doesn't move at all

Not enough Karin, of course the genre is withering
No, Ingrid is not a good enough substitute.

>>717672338
AI just copies humans, it's not going to create something new or valuable, it's going to blend sf3 sprites with other sprites to create some photobash cancer. There's a reason why most devs hide the use of AI

>>717664019 (OP)
Someone tell me what the chances are that capcom will include Leona in cvs3. I'm stuck in this never ending monkey paw hellscape where my favourite fighting game character is disgusting every time she appears in her official games, capcom is my only hope.

>>717667197
>Do Korean levers actually see any use in 2D stuff or are they pretty much just a Tekken thing?
This is just a preference thing and obviously you can make even an oldschool IL lever work for pretty much any game but I put MK and Tekken in the same bucket of "stiff" or "heavy" feeling basic movement, so A K-lever would work just as well there.

>>717664019 (OP)
>sakura will never score
What does Chunners have that she doesn’t?

>>717673236
big FAT juicy thighs

>>717673236
It was a huge mistake to not make Sakura and Sean the stars of SF3. An aged up Sakura, who is matured, got trained by Ryu and might be romancing him.

How do you even learn to play these? i remember i had tekken for psp and the inputs for the combos made no sense to me. the buttons werent even on my psp

>>717673462
thankfully affirmative action 8 just lets you mash and everything glues together

>>717673462
basically thousands of hours of matches. preferably against players slightly worse than you if you want to practice very specific things at a time like antiairs, certain punishes, matchups, bnb combos etc. you dont have to do everything at once and sometimes matches against players slightly better than you just. people try to avoid playing against certain playstyles because they find them annoying so they avoid them, thats usually the reason why most people playing fighting games stay mediocre. they only play in their own small circle. you need to play against these annoying people who jump around like retards, do wakeup supers or mash into your blockstrings. that was my systematic approach, everyone has their own.

>>717672510
How often do you think humans have unique thoughts anon?

AI will surpass us by millenia in a very short amount of time primary just on the fact that it can actually contain massive datasets and process them. The sheer difference in our memory is what will widen the gap year on year.
While humans are definitely more capable at the moment, that won't last long. The time our brains take to digest and actually learn information is far too long in comparison to a machine.

>>717664378
I always loled at the head not turning, freaky stuff.

>>717673743
>have unique thoughts anon?
24/7, they are unique to their reality cause everything is relative.

>>717672454
Karin sucks, one of the best things about SFVI is not having to see KarinvsKarin matches everywhere. I could use a break from cammy too btw

>>717673462
you learn how the mechanics work (pay attention to the in-game tutorial if it has one) and find a character you connect with and learn them by playing matches with others combined with training mode or the new fangled replay takeover when you hit a wall or confused about something from a real match.
since you mentioned Tekken, think about how that game handles basic movement, defense and offense. And to learn a character, find out what their best 10 - 15 moves are and use them through rote memorization and try to land them in a match. try throwing them out in a range that only the tip makes contact with the opponent so you know when and when not to throw it out. you can add more moves little by little to your toolkit. then look up which moves are good punishes (stronk moves that come out in 10-15+ frames that will guarantee a hit after blocking an unsafe attack).
After you learn a character front and back and feel comfortable using them in real match, you can start paying attention to what the opponent's character is doing.

>>717664019 (OP)
Because they found increasingly smarter and more subtle ways to polarize the skill ceiling and decision-making leading to the mass removal and discouragement of depth and practice for mid-level players, who are all the people who actually stick with and recommend games. Anyone trying to get to a mid-level will be auto-combo'd and looped by 50/50s while struggling under the weight of all the intricate spacing differences and mindgames that all the high level players understand and that should be great fun to steadily learn and explore for their variety, except for how they constantly lead to your loss and have even less of an entry ramp due to said binary telling you not to do it at every turn. People used to say fighting games didn't teach you how to play them well and while that can arguably be the case in some ways and exaggerated in others, modern games offer a facade of teaching with the intent to plateau you as fast as possible.

>>717671264
>>we are never EVER getting a character like makoto again
THANK FUCKING GOD

https://youtu.be/YcOib65p2zo?si=AqMC_jI5zjR4ZCtV

RESURRECT me senpai

>>717675080
extremely low iq post, great games btw

>>717675212
tourist post.

>>717675575
t.sfv oldfag

Kill yourself, Makoto is not even a top tier character and she should be able to otk both twins.

>>717665785
I bet she smells amazing

>>717671264
>trying to imagine makoto in 6
>juris 22 frames teleporting dash
>jamies comand grab
>shits out damage like ryu
do you nigga realise what your asking for can you imagine fighting this bitch?????

>>717665785
>>717675805
>>717665785
>>717665785

>>717668708
Maybe there's a reason why you zoomers are incels no?

>>717668032
It's legit from CVS2, not an edit, though it's blink and you'll miss it. There's a bit more when she does her tatsu as well.

>>717673743
We are fucking doomed.

>>717675763
>not a top tier
yet still part of the top 3 depending on who you ask, Stop coping, Makoto was a horrible addition.

>>717664019 (OP)
They added to much shit, thinking combos and meter management was the key to make their game deeper. They keep shoving more and more characters through battle pass while a smaller roster with stronger archetypes is better.

We need to go back to SF2 and Samsho 2 formula. Hit or miss, tension, you get punished big time, game set.

Hell, Windjammers 2 is a better 1V1 game than any fighting game atm.

>>717676912
Chun, Ken, Yun are the S tier with Yun being a clear cut above the others... except for makoto

>>717677109
I don't disagree with this.
I think CotW captures the gist of the essence of what you're getting at, "hit or miss, tension, big punishes" etc. but it's buried under a glut of that meter management crap, having to watch what would be 3 hits worth of damage in SF2 be 40 hits, baked-in RPS and call-response mechanics that are basically only there to add a bell and whistle to the existing neutral for little more than novelty's sake. The core is there but it's surrounded by layers of fat.

>>717673743
>How often do you think humans have unique thoughts anon?
If they are white, I would say constantly.

>>717664019 (OP)
Gay niggers invaded the scene. Last time i went on a local tournament it was full of negros.
I bailed out trying to hide my madcaz controller.

>>717667197
>I'll try and make a thread tomorrow or Sunday.
Thanks, I'll try to find it. I'm in Europe, though. Chances are that I'm gonna be asleep.

>>717667197
>Do Korean levers actually see any use in 2D stuff or are they pretty much just a Tekken thing?
Ask Infiltra...oh... lmao

>>717664019 (OP)
>Why are fightan games dead?
Because they are as welcoming as a kick in the nuts.
Now, some people like being kicked in the nuts but i'm not one of them.

I feel like SBMM has cannibalized this genre.
It presents an artificiality to the divisions between skill levels. You improve much faster when you get to play good players and can iron out your kinks in realtime when it's sink or swim. The way ranked works now it's like it's designed to just keep you pulling a lever over and over which is awful for actually making progress.

>>717672142
>high quality
>AI
Nigger

anyone up for aacc?

>>717666773
No because I'm still a massive scrub. Any tips on getting gud so I don't just fucking embarrass myself any time I try playing?

>>717677109
I don't think things have to go back to that formula by itself, but that formula should be available more often in modern games. That's the issue, the games have become too similar. It's as if the devs have universally decided there's a specific way a fighting game should be designed and there's less fun as a result.

>>717664019 (OP)
They are intrinsically corrupted by its own mechanics and playerbase.

There is not much you can innovate on, and the core of fighting games is 1v1, which in the way fighting games work, it's actually really hard to have fun

>2 bad players MU
Mashing, no real thought, minimal nuance to decisions, these people will get tired after a bit
>2 intermediate players MU
This is the sweetspot, you get 2 people learning as they play, getting into it, feeling the passion and tension of a close fight that makes you want to keep coming back to it. The problem is, if you keep playing you literally cannot remain an intermediate player, which brings us to the worse parts
>1 good vs 1 bad/intermediate player MU
Complete domination that isn't really fun for anybody. The good player doesn't get any quality fighting from their opponent and the bad/inter player don't get the chance to learn anything from the exchanges because of how fast and overpowering they are.
>2 good players MU
High level play stops being fun because you no longer share the passion for learning and fun, you care about winning, and you will only do what's optimal, there is no discovery and no bonding through combat, it's just the objective of earning a W.

>>717666773
Why Capcom refuses to release SC III VI and V on Steam?

>>717664019 (OP)
because the best series fired their creator over ancient allegations and then let a literal pedophile dictate muh core values for the series before killing it after only 2 entries.

>>717664019 (OP)
>Why are fightan games dead?
I dont think they are though...

Is he the best fighting game protag?

>>717681930
They are not because AI tracing? Retarded nigger alert.

>>717680189
I'm willing to partake.

>>717682801
https://invite.meltyblood.club/7666

Cute

Street fighter 6 fucking blows Tekken 8 fucking blows they refuse to revive soul calibur every fighting game has to cater to retards because the casuals are what sell the games

>>717680820
Namco owns SC.

>>717682923
ggs. the connection is really bad this time

>>717683656
really? there were some drops but I thought it was fine, worse than usual but hey
well if anyone else wants to play melty lmk

>>717680820
>Capcom

>>717680271
Start with a simple character like Sophitia, Mitsurugi or Astaroth. Learn just a few moves at first, the point is to be able to throw them out quickly using pure muscle memory. Familiarize yourself with universal game mechanics. Learn what beats what in every situation (eg. horizontals beat sidestep, verticals beat crouch, throws beat standing guard, lows beat standing guard etc.). Maybe learn a combo or two afterwards.

>>717664019 (OP)
The main problem is that its not an interesting fantasy of violence and action in comparison to other games nowadays. You can add more mechanics to the formula like critical hits/weak spots, limb damage, visual damage progression like bleeding bruising limping wobbling etc, stamina management. But the main reason why the action is less interesting is that all a fighting game has to
offer is, well, fighting. In other pvp games its way more than just fighting, there is farming, build variety, team fighting synergies/coordination, map objectives, fog of war etc. Esports have grown beyond just fighting. Modern PvP games like Marvel Rivals or Overwatch that havent grown beyond just fighting understandably fall off in the same way.

The fighting genre will be saved on October 16.
I hope you guys are ready.

>>717681580
DoA6 would have been dead in the water even without the core values incident. People were disappointed over it to begin with.

Sakura thread?

>>717664019 (OP)
they have the steep learning curve of mobas, but without a team/player you can blame other than yourself
zoomies don't have the mental to get into it

>>717664019 (OP)
because turbo autist with no life will come and know your combo more than you will comboing your face with bullshit unstopable from DLC

>>717676720
>40% of AI data are worthless
>you are gambling in 60% sucesss rate everytime you use them
>they are lobotomized on top of that
KEK AIfag

mvc4 will happen

>>717684564
this is my favorite art of her

>>717684595
Because retards like this will come along and say the game isn't accessible enough for them and we get the dogshit that is street fighter 6

>>717684394
>farming, build variety, team fighting synergies/coordination, map objectives, fog of war etc
this is just a bunch of RTS mechanics, which is ironic because RTS is the competitive genre with the most similarities to fighting games and died despite having all of those arbitrary mechanics and more.

>>717684917
Its cancelled, they are teasing CvS3 now which was supposed to come after the rumoured MvC4. with arcsys making a marvel game there's no reason for it to exist.

>>717683345
she is NOT cute! she is COOL!!

>>717664378
damn crapcom really have been a bunch of plagiarizing hacks since the beginning

they aren't

>>717685968
always have been.

>>717664019 (OP)
they are too autistic for most and their playerbase is either aging and never existed with clout chasing retards that don't even play them be one want to be in with something as posers because of Evos

anyways, the problem if fighting games is not even that they are hard, people love Elden Ring but with Fighting Games it seems pointless to get gud since the game doesn't even reward you for it
being devoid of solid rewards for it with shit single player, what do you get for being good in a fighting game? a big cock in your mouth, as for other games like Elden Ring, you progress to finish the story
and another thing is fighting games are usually unclear of how to get good in it within is own context look at
>pic related
this is never even hard to do but I would first think the command is
>left, right, diagonal left down, down, diagonal right down
when it was just
>right, down, diagonal right down
and is like wow, that was fucking stupid, how was I supposed to know that on some DSP shit, istg only rivals of aether had a proper tutorial for good fundamentals so you don't have to hold
your friends hand in order for them to be competent in it

bit of some backtracking being anti-sweat nowadays contributed to this so now is more frowned upon to "study the blade" while playing a fucking videogame
and to be honest, as it should be, is not healthy to spend 1000 of hours to compete in a stupid fucking videogame unless you get paid
though maybe that would solve something, what if outside of EVO and such you can get paid to be gud like online gambling and have wager matches?

tl:dr fighter are usually lacking in good tutorials and rewarding drive

>>717678856
Better than a local filled with whites, that's for sure

>>717685862
Yes, yes, terrifying

>>717687096
the speedrunner/competitive to tranny pipeline should be studied

like serious, why is there many such cases?

>arcades are dead
>casualized commands to quarter- and half-circle
>cheater macro boxes are standard now in "competition"
>development costs too high now for a game that everyone will likely abandon in two weeks over some superficial complaint (fps benchmark, censored fanservice)

>>717687219
because autism

>>717687375
truly estrogen to the autism community was like crack to the black community

>>717683767
make a lobby, i want to play!

>>717664019 (OP)
They have not evolved much at all since the arcade era if anything they have devolved. The first fighing game to make an actual attemp at making a fun an decently long single player is going to suck up the entire playerbase. You can't really get new players if the only thing they can play is pvp

>>717684917
based leak truster
>>717685484
cringe doomposter

why you guys are such remedial yolo mashing bums

>>717687525
for realsies? here join 73.49.162.27:12345

>>717664019 (OP)
bamco want to fuck me over so I refuse to support them any longer

>>717672142
a rumiko fighter would be sick, if it was all hand drawn art sprites like type lumina but good instead of the trash they put in type lumina
but in all reality, they would make it 3dslop garbage that would look like retarded trash and not at all like rumiko's art, fuck the gay modern gaming world

>>717687675
I'm being optimistic by thinking mvc 4 was cancelled, we dont need 2 marvel capeshit games.

>>717686768
>but I would first think the command is
>>left, right, diagonal left down, down, diagonal right down
you're actually just retarded then

>>717687760
It's time for men

>>717688160
sybau


they were more clear about the command when they wanted to be and thigs could be better

>>717687219
>the speedrunner/competitive to tranny pipeline
more like the white to tranny pipeline. Most of the trannies you see in competitive fighting games are white, you rarely ever see trannies of any other race. And even funnier, most of those tranny whites are american.

>>717673743
This. If you interact with 1000 people an enormous amount of them could not create thoughts on par or exceeding the uniqueness of top level language models right now... the models will also get better while people broadly are becoming less intelligent.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

>>717688561
either way whether is mainly whites this is still a curious cases how it always seems to be speedrunners/competitive tards, though I have seen journos like Sterling troon out so it could just be an autistic attention whore trying to find ways to get more attention like Bruce Jenner

>>717664019 (OP)
to most people they are worse products than the other options available. This is super obvious as a single player experience, but even as a multiplayer experience they're just largely less enticing than other games. For example fighting games have nothing that can match stuff like squad queuing. It's a niche genre with a few legacy games that do well off of hype, but don't retain the playerbases

>>717688216
oooo you think its time for men?

>>717688663
And yet any time someone uses an AI to reply on 4chan everyone can instantly tell

>>717688717
Probably closer to correlation than causation
White autistic nerd men with (and this is the important one) no real interests other than video games and porn (something which people don't respect and doesn't give access to any kind of healthy community) are more likely to be both speedrunners and to troon out to get the faintest hint of attention.

>>717688904
For now, plus people who come here may be slightly more inclined to notice it and not representative of regular population members. It's also even more likely you've already interacted with language models and can't realize it.

>>717688819
If I think back to the late 90s and 2000s the selling point of a lot of fighting games to normies was they had the best graphics, but now they don't even have that as a product.

>>717664019 (OP)
new to fighting, should I play on a keyboard or get a stick

>>717688981
>could not create thoughts on par or exceeding the uniqueness of top level language models right now
>RIGHT NOW
oh actually I change my mind
>For now
Can you fuck off with this boring AI spam conversation, the board is full of this same conversation happening over and over and over and over and over again. This is a fighting game thread.

>>717689118
i play on keyboard but you should probably get a stick

Man I wish street fighter stuck to sprites. Like what kof did until 14 or smthn. Those later ones look great. Blazblue looks great that had HD sprites right? Man I wish SF went that way. Despite that, sf4 was great. 5 and 6? Horrific.

>>717684564
do you think i can counter her high kick by putting my face in her crotch in just the right moment?

>>717689118
give him the stick

>>717688916
the weird part is that there are a lot autistic nerd men with no interest other than videogames and porn from other races, mainly asian, yet the only ones trooning out are whites.

>>717687616
You don't play fighting games, why are you here?

is not just fighting games, gaming in general became shit over the years

>>717680741
I spent like 500 hours in ranked and 400 in practice and I'm mostly stuck at 1500MR. I thought I should try out playing in the tournament for the fuck of it and got to play against a dude with four times my hours, he raped me, I tried to play in another tournament, raped again by a 1600MR player and since the last game I've been contemplating whether it's really worth it to keep going. I remember I had a lot of fun in the beginning, even while I was losing sets heavy by 20 or 30 games, I didn't even care if I sucked in general, I just wanted to play the game, but now I want to win. If I don't win, it's an existential crisis. If I win, it doesn't feel like anything.

This is why I always want to murder faggots like Sajam or Diaphone or that Max faggot every time they try to spin it like "fightans are very easy, they are even easier than other games, you just need to learn motion inputs" completely disregarding the fact that outside of learning the controls, which takes a lot of time if you are a beginner, and it's in no way a transferable skill, you also need to learn 50 000 different things, niche edge cases, frames, mechanics, your own character and how he should play against the cast of 12-50 characters. You can waste thousands of hours and still feel like a toddler. Juggling all of this and still remaining sane is impossible. I've seen people cry over loses. A dude from my local community matched me in a game where I was about to reach masters with a secondary character, he rage quit my SA and then trolled me in front of everyone else. FGC turns people into pussies and bitches. I don't know many people insane enough to go through all of this and still have the same fun they had in the beginning. It's a brutal genre not for the faint of heart, that's why it's a dead like arena FPS games and RTS games - because they are the most fucking difficult video games in the world and you need to be a certain type of person to stick with them.

>>717689118
if you have a normal controller, just use that. There is no point in buying expensive peripherals if you don't even know whether you'll like the genre or not

>>717687219
>the speedrunner/competitive to tranny pipeline should be studied
the organizers are them and openly welcome them. They also push out anyone remotely not "ally". So speedrunning events will eventually just be trannies. Even the games themselves are full troon ally and have trans characters (see Guilty Gear making Testament trans now).

>>717689118
stick is fun but you should never buy a controller for a fighting game because you think it'll make you better, everything is basically equal. If you're playing retro arcade games that were explicitly designed for sticks them maybe it'll help but if you're new to fighting games the chances are you aren't so it doesnt matter.

>>717689284
I think white cultures are the only ones that are somewhat accepting of troonery so the culture only exists within it
Imagine an african kid trying to troon out
He'd get murdered by his dad

>>717689280
DON'T GIVE HIM THE STICK

>>717664019 (OP)
gameplay never made the jump to 3d, so only autists are left playing this crap

>>717689429
yeah I remember that scandal

>>717686768
>what if outside of EVO and such you can get paid to be gud like online gambling and have wager matches?
some still play money matches

>>717689225
>>717689280
>>717689370
>>717689434
thanks, I dont like how xbox contoller feels so Ill stick to my keyboard

>>717689624
I know, but I think it would be neat if you can have wager matches with actual money online

though I know dudes that play for money in not just fighting games but sports game(yes I'm from a negro filled ghetto) so they actually would have a reason and drive to get good at it but it is very uncommon compared to like actually playing basketball and have wager matches in real life and theres obviously more drive to get good at it since real sports reward you with being in good shape

>>717689284
Western culture is the only one that is so retarded they decided to enable a mental illness. when an african boy says he wants to be a girl his mom slaps him and tells him to stop being a stupid pussy bitch, he grows up and stops believing he can magically change genders the same time he stops believing he can go super saiyan by screaming.

>>717664019 (OP)
Because every time I call out some retard talking shit with a challenge you faggots dodge me and cope that you aren't a huge fucking bitch who has no nigger idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>717688053
4 can stay in the oven so more characters can be added to base unlike Tokon
>gets filtered by capekino
sad

>>717664019 (OP)
Too hard to play on KeyBoard
1v1 is too anxiety inducing for most ZoomZooms
Fighting games aren't as cool as they used to be (Tekken 8, KOF, Strive...)

>>717690001
Who are you talking to

>>717690193
I dont play fighting but Ive seen the new virtua fighter because I got curious and holy shit all the hits give very goodfeedback and look satisfying, if I had to play a fighting game Id play virtua figher

>>717690193
yeah like I said, zoomers are also very "anti-sweat" so spending 1000 of hours to get gud in a video games is frowned upon by zoomer gamers

they I could be talking out my ass, zoomers are crazy good at fortnite and would call it being "cracked" and really is the minors who SHOULD be good at playing videogames since they don't have jobs

>>717690241
everyone on this board
>>717579967
you are all fucking frauds
shut the fuck up about games you don't fucking play and don't know shit about and run away from challenges like a little nigger bitch

>>717688290
the command is clear, you're just a nigger, go back to twitter

>>717690193
>Fighting games aren't as cool as they used to be (Tekken 8, KOF, Strive...)
I almost feel sorry for SNK, gameplay seems ok, but that shitty ugly engine they use for their 3D games doesn't do them no favors.

>>717690420
take your meds

Have any of you guys tried dojo masters? I've been thinking about giving it a go.

>>717664019 (OP)
Somehow iphone

>>717689118
a gamepad is the only option
if you can't do that, then use a hitbox like a sissy tranny

>>717690001
>I'm a huge self-aggrandizing fucking asshole for no reason
>BAWWWW NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH ME
Most people have this epiphany in the 3rd grade but you're a special kind of retarded.

>>717689673
xbox is a shit tier nigger controller for niggers, use a proper pc gamepad

>>717684917
unlikely nepobaby won't spend money on that license for so little return
maybe if sony publishes

>>717690691
>>717690505

dodging bitch lmao

>>717690773
Yeah sure whatever retard

>>717685484
>snk characters in tranny engine
pls no

>>717687276
unironically >>717687096 more dangerous than arcades; your ass in grooming dens

>>717664187
I miss Vh1

>>717687810
ggs, but sadly i have to go

>>717672384
>>717672391
Think that was on purpose

>>717691095
ggs man thanks for the games

>>717690364
I've heard that they use macros for Fortnite builds, and I must say that disappointed me.
But they move like crazy in COD, so points to that (although I think it's obnoxious to watch gameplay like that). But I've also heard that they're all on Ritalin and Adderall, so that must count as doping, right?!

>>717689118
Arcade stick defo.

>>717690773
take your meds

>>717664019 (OP)
Every day thread after thread of
>fighting games ded
>what killed fighting games
>what will save fighting games

I play fightan games every day and guess what? ||It’s fun||

Sure there’s been better eras for fightan games. MUCH better eras. But there is literally nothing stopping you from playing games. Especially when fightcade and discords for even the most niche games exist. Just be honest, you know that even if they were at their peak, you still wouldn’t play them. You’d just continue to bitch on /v/ and post porn. Admit it.

>>717690989
is this the "korean levers"? if so, that shit is fucking retarded

>>717672142
You can already kind of do this with Stable Diffusion but it still requires a lot of manual work and attention to get something decent looking and even then you'll need extra steps to make it work as a sprite (as in, the skin only taking up 6 colors in the palette, skin colors not bleeding into clothing etc). I don't think AI by itself will be able to make something like the CPS2 sprites where every pixel is very important (mostly on the hands, design details and face) let alone something that's consistent with proportions and colors, but as a tool it could be of some use if you wanted to make higher resolution sprites where you can get away with more mistakes than you would for smaller sprites.

>>717690193
>Fighting games aren't as cool as they used to be
This is a huge problem that is overlooked because its vague and gets absorbed into arguments about graphics and coomershit but fighting games are no longer cool. Its really important for both this genre and stylish action games because the desire to inhabit a character for hundreds of hours has to start with both the game and each character being incredibly appealing.

games like third strike were actual cultural pioneers, linking japanese and hiphop culture many years before you would see it mainstreamed in shit like samurai champloo. This isn't just a problem with fighting games though, it has effected japans entire cultural landscape which had a crazy high point just before and during the turn of the millennium then fell of a cliff.

>>717691401
>But there is literally nothing stopping you from playing games
There is, in my very specific case. Calamity Trigger is unplayable on PC, because something in your PC boot up might trigger the game to be stuck to 30fps, and it is unplayable with the input lag. You have to re-boot your PC until you get the game to play at 60, and even then it might go to 30 after a few hours of gameplay.

>>717691407
maybe a North Korean lever.
South Korean levers typically use a glossy battop and a silicone grommet inside the base that you can change out for different tensions. They feel more "bouncy" when engaging a direction.

>>717690804
sorry but SNK games are so ugly I'm actually relying on capcom to give me one final version of my favorite characters before I die. I just want to play as leona or vanessa one last time and have her not look like a cheap bimbo model from a unity game.

>>717691401
how new are you? the only way to get a fighting game thread going in this shithole is by baiting. Whether is "fighters are ded" or "motion inputs are what killed fighters", if you don't use the template, you just get ignored.

>>717689118
Just use a gamepad, some smelly frenchman won an EVO tournament with a fucking PS1 controller.

>>717691631
Japan lost it's "Coolness" in the 2010s. I personally don't know why. Maybe it was the attempt to draw in more Westerners, so the Chuuni stuff had to go. Maybe it's because the new creators are "recycled" creators, who didn't actually experience life, they're just recycling other media they kind of liked (this is also a huge problem in the West). Maybe Digital stuff (video, drawing, etc) is just hard to inscribe with "soul" and "coolness", as seen with how hard it is for a lot of 3D models to look good in these games (looking at you SNK).
You can also notice this loss of coolness with Kamen Rider. Y2K KR had an edge to them that was lost when the 2010s arrived.

>>717691597
2d > 3d just like that

>>717665785
That's a boy.

>>717691401
>||||

>>717684917
>mvc4 will happen
Mavel is in bed with ArcSys now.

>>717692038
is this one of those cross you eyes 3D things?

>>717664019 (OP)
They aren't. You don't like them so you are pretending they are failing and dead though in truth they are only dead to you

>>717692335
Marvel is in bed with everyone in every industry always. Niggas are getting Marvel vs. DC again. I pre-ordered the new MvC artbook which wouldn't have happened if Marvel stopped fucking with Capcom.

>>717675921
Not my problem. Capcoms job to make her work.

>>717666492
>>717672362
So tell me your fighting game innovations, if it's that easy.

The first anon got it right; there isn't any substantial direction for fighting games to evolve in. This isn't a flaw or failure of fighting games, but it is fact.

>>717693010
Inb4 he just wants fighting games to become beat em ups

>>717666492
>It's possible to innovate in this genre
We're all ears anon. Tell us how you would innovate fighting games.

>>717664019 (OP)
Street Fighter is a household name.
Street Fighter 6 is the biggest fighting game.
Street Fighter 6 is the only fighting game that has gained more players in it's 2nd year.

Fighting games are too complicated. That's what's keeping people out. We're going to make a simpler one with recognizable Marvel characters. Less buttons and way easier inputs. Very newcomer friendly.
oh also its a 4 vs 4 game lol

Are there any 2D fighters that feel good on gamepad? I normally use a stick with SF but when I'm too tired to set it up I just play a 3D fighter instead.

>>717685968
They're Japanese, of course. That's SEAs entire GDP.
There could be a whole thread about their game music being ripped but one thread wouldn't be enough lol

>>717693010
wow I haven't seen this artwork in years.

>>717693010
nta but Fighting games single player content generally suck, is unclear of what you need to do to git gud and there isn't much drive to git gud either

Soul Calibur I find to be a great fighting game since it has an enticing single players, it shows you what you need to know to git gud in said single player and there is drive to git gud in it for said single player

>>717693370
>Fighting games are too complicated. That's what's keeping people out.
Bullshit. What keeps players out is people not wanting to learn. They just want to mash and win some matches. You overestimate just how many people want to take fighting games seriously.

>>717664156
>improve/evolve.
nobody wants this, just make the girls fuckable and add every character i want including goku and obama.

SF6 is the most successful game in the franchise since II. T8 is doing ok and would probably be doing great had it not been for the S2 fuckup. Despite all that hate it gets, Strive is by far the most successful game in the franchise and is a getting a ranked mode soon.

SNK and weeb fighters were always niche, so nothing has really changed there.

And we have two major tag fighters on the horizon (2XKO, and Marvel Token).

I'm not saying you have to like any of those games. Call them all braindead, casualized shit if you want, but objectively speaking, fighting games are as big as they've ever been. If you think this is dead, then they were never alive to begin with.

>>717692173
yeah, I struggle to understand what happened. Something similar happened to the UK, they were also a cultural powerhouse and were producing cool musicians and games like wipeout then one day it all vanished. I'm guessing its a combination of internet homogenisation, collapsing economies and bad demographics leading to a much smaller more depressed youth who are mentally and physically blocked from creating interesting shit.

>>717693418
Anime fighters are usually 3-4 buttons

>>717691965
>wanting crapcom to make leona look good
my guy, after seeing what they did to elena? and all those trannies they've been putting out?

>>717691401
>i play with shit every day and guess what, it's fun
good to know

>>717693370
being hard is not the problem, people have no problem with games like Elden Ring and Doom for having a skill ceiling of some sort, is that with fighting game there is no reason to even get good, with Elden Ring you are enticed to progress and beat the next boss, what do you get for being good at street fighter other than a dick in your mouth?

>>717693586
>Collapsing economies
This basically, art always booms when people are better off and recedes when people get poorer

>>717693418
mbaacc?

>>717664019 (OP)
The world hasn't yet figured out that no one wants to "move on" from the things that were cool. So this new era where they keep adding features to street fighter and age their characters into old ass ugly men... No one actually wants this. They buy it because it's new. They buy it because there's an expectation to discuss things that are novel. But the game has already been achieved. The necessary improvements made long long ago.

>>717693010
3d fightan with good movement and air mobility.
it's really weird that 3d fightan somehow have less focus on movement than 2d.

how do i become a fighting game

>>717693567
you are arguing semantics, nobody wants to play garbage, it doesn't matter how you want to call it, you know damn well what people mean.

>>717693010
I said it before but with shenmue mode being a hit with normies who played the game for 16 hours and gave it glowing praise I feel like the next natural step is animal crossing mode where you fight people for shit to decorate one of those gay little toon lobbies with

>>717693751
Soul Calibur actually has great movement I would even say it spoiled me on other fighting games since everything else feels so stiff in comparison but yeah air mobility obviously not

>>717693010
i find interesting that this stage doesn't exist

>>717693883
>Soul Calibur actually has great movement
Not Soul Calibur 4. Movement in that game is slow.

>>717690193
Another reason is, people don't play them with their friends anymore. Back when it was the usual to play Local CO-OP, you'd get all the boys together and have a tournament, or just play against your best bro after school. I don't think a lot of people do this Online (I've seen a few but it's not as usual as hanging out at someone's place jammin').
Meta faggotry is also more common (probably due to easier access of information), so I'd say (from experience) that's it's common for one of the friends to just study the shit out of the game and tryhard, making it unfun for the casual friends (I will admit in some games that's me, but partly because I play online).

>>717675921
I dont play fighting games I jack off to them.

>>717693835
no no no you nigger retard, the money is to make it a dating game, you have to beat their bitch ass to get to take them on a date afterwards, and how she reacts to the date is based on how badly you beat her ass, if you double perfect her she'll be sucking your dick right there in the cafe while filming it for her social media page

Sat in training mode for a hour in GGXXAR and still didnt play a match today once again

>>717693751
I've always thought about 3D fighters with 8 way run like Soul Calibur having analog movement. Stinky smashies are the only ones who have something resembling analog footsies so far which is kinda lame.

>>717693883
VF has great mobility on 3 and 4 but i feel like it's trying to be too technical on 5

>>717693813
>nobody wants to play garbage

Except all the people that are playing the games in higher numbers than ever before. The opinions of /v/ contrarians aren't what dictate the health of a genre or franchise.

>>717693623
cant be worse than nu SNK. Mai looks pretty good as does juri and cammy. Capcom is capable of making an attractive woman so long as she isn't a black dei target. I also have hope that they will stylise it at least a bit more than SF6 to distinguish it and avoid direct competition.

>>717694037
terrible taste but based anyway

>>717664019 (OP)
>40-60USD for the base game
>character season pass
>dlc for cosmetics
>highly competitive online
>have to spend hours learning the move set and best combos with each character
>patches that nerf characters or break shit
>online matching/network often shits the bed

Basically it's too much of a commitment for normies, despite all their efforts into making them normie-friendly. They'd rather just goon to the characters and maybe play for a couple hours. Look at what happened to Strive

>>717694037
sounds like a lot of fun

>>717694138
*nobody that says fighters are dead wants to play garbage
there sorry i wasn't clear enough smooth brained person posting on /v/ that claims not to be from /v/

>>717694035
ok ok
animal crossing mode but you have a slampig wife who lives in your lobby with all your stuff that you can dress up to impress all your gayfer dick pulling friends

>>717694248
>>have to
no you don't and i still don't understand why faggots keep thinking that

>>717693662
It used to be that it was satisfying to beat a new level of player, like a real life RPG. They fucked it up though and flattened to skill curve so the journey up is no longer smooth or appreciable and then you hit a plateau really quickly.

>>717694013
Would handing out a free extra copy of the game, or a discount, help in any way? Or would people gift these extra copies to alt accounts to smurf?

>>717693751
>3d fighter with air mobility
is DBZ budokai tenkaichi 2 still the best?

>>717694339
this is a sensation that I would get more locally, I unironically think online wager matches should exist so you can actually earn money for being good

>>717693969
I'm just a casual but I didn't like how SC4 felt. I played Yun and he was always ass anyways but I enjoyed how he felt to play, but he was so much more stiff in that game.

>>717694415
There's matcherino and people host online tournaments with prize pools these days.

>>717693010
if sekiro was a training mode for a 1v1 vs fighting game it would revive the genre, FROM is the key to everything. The minute they stop fucking around with these meme multiplayer formats and make a fighting game were back in business.

>>717694192
>terrible taste
dunno, GGXX and BBCF are the only games i need

Capcom should hurry up and go full BBTag with other companies.
>inb4 wut about Capcom All-Stars?
shut the fuck up Woolie

>>717693567
>SF6 is the most successful game in the franchise since II
no it isnt.

I thought Japanese tournament players were cool and tried to compete with them. Then when I went to tournaments I realized they were trying to copy the US welfare rats they played against and lost interest in the FGC.
Over a decade later they are still doing the same thing trying to raise money all the time being beholden to Capcom.

Fighting games are crippled because you wouldn't want to sit in the room your opponent is in.

>>717694138
They're not contrarians. What has happened is that most people have fucked off to Discord servers, giving the impression that fighting game threads here are dead. The people who are complaining are the attention seeking faggots who were never invited to other fighting game spaces.

>>717694558
>matcherino
I thought you were fucking with me but wow thats actually the name

>>717664019 (OP)
they don't do anything fun like back then

>>717694769
>>717694558
but anyways I would like an accessible play for money in a match and go rather than a whole tournament

>>717691121
Mocap for fighting games was a mistake. I can see the tiny unathletic asians trying to copy the masterfully animated 3rd strike shit and its cringe.

>>717694672
im tired of all these gay mascot characters, either crossover with other fighting games or some anime with martial arts focused characters.

>>717694701
I don't get people's beef with Discord sometimes. Used to pretty normal to have a tab reserved for a multipurpose chat client, AIM, MSN, etc. all in one place. Discord is just the current version of that.

Combos.
Over focus on aggression.

>>717695012
>jojo vs hnk
if it was in the heritage for the future engine and all the spritework done by capcom of that time, back during that time, the hell yeah i'd play it

>>717695046
discord is made and run beedophile trannies who are using it to spy on you and sell the material they gather on you while spying on you
it's also a stealth buttcoin miner, anyone who uses it is enriching pedophiles doubly, at their own expense

>>717693313
is that real, pretty funny.

>>717695324
>is that real, pretty funny.
Yes, it is 100% real. Still makes me laugh even to this day.

Where the fuck are all the cool characters?
Where are edgelords?
Where are the villains?
Where is the tension, malice, hatred, between characters.
Every fighting cast now feels like a group of friends having a friendly sparring match.

I had a great SF3 set today

I want Rival Schools again and they should keep the dating sim this time

So what were YOUR games? The ones that expressly clicked with you to a degree nothing else can match. I'm talking vanilla Marvel 3 for Max or SF4 for Poongko type shit.

>>717696107
>Poongko
that dude was mega based

to me it is sf3 and 4. I am not great at them but they were the ones I can play the most

>>717673743
Spoken as a true NPC

>>717694691
It’s selling faster than SFIV did. It will be the best selling game when all is said and done

Old games are balanced horribly and have too many dedicated autists so it's impossible to get to a competitive level.

New games have too much kusoge and zoomers that make them unplayable for extended periods.

>>717696107
honestly Soul Calibur, Bloody Road and Smash

I never cared about the compedo scene in my life but these games were fun

>>717696590
>Bloody Road
Bloody Roar I mean

>>717696107
Third Strike
TTT2
DoA 3 because I had a crush on Kasumi and her bouncing tits growing up
My most recent obsession has been Project Justice

>>717696534
I haven't bothered to check recently but it had a slower launch and initial few months than SF 4. I highly doubt it has sped up or maintained the same momentum as SF4 which released entirely new versions of its game by this point in its lifecycle.

>>717696107
Blazblue, CT/CS specifically. Something was just novel about the quality-over-quantity roster and dub even if it was a steaming pile balance-wise. Shame fucking EVERYONE on here forgot how to make a goddamned CF lobby completely.

>>717696731
>Bloody Roar
HOURS with this game and I never even owned it.

>>717696107
initially it was the world warrior, but now i can't stand it or anynother version of 2 besides hyper fighting, and i don't even really like hyper fighting
none ever really clicked until i played melty blood reAct back when it came out and it later got ruined by the godawful finaltuned patch
nowadays my games are melty blood act cadenza current code, street fighter alpha 2, and tobal 2
i still play other shit though, currently trying to get myself to like darkstalkers and i just don't, shit sucks ass, i'd rather be playing heritage for the future

>>717691597
2d goat

>>717697098
>filtered by vampire savior
ngmi

>>717697220
i don't have time for shit that isn't fun to play darkstalkers has a shit ton of serious problems

>>717697448
yeah whatever dont really care what melty players who fight to see who sucks the other off in a maid outfit thinks

>>717697605
>filtered by airdashes
yeah, that tracks

>>717695489
some crazy shit there. cringe+funny with some heavy dose of

>>717696107
granblue. It's relatively easy to play and i really like the artstyle. All the girls are absolute sexo.

>>717697126
If you have any requests to test out what I'm doing go ahead

>>717684507
I agree it was on borrowed time the moment they lost Itagaki but if they had kept the original designs they could have probably floated through at least another couple games on the gooners and dlc costumes

>>717696989
>Shame fucking EVERYONE on here forgot how to make a goddamned CF lobby completely.
because you didnt banned HIM

>>717689284
There's a lot of black trannies in the US, too. They just tend to go under the radar. Trans ideology became popular in the West because it's a good replacement for Christianity.

Christianity:
>there is something wrong with you, you were born with the original sin
>your body is not who you are, you are your soul
>Christian clergy preaches chastity while being child rapists themselves
>suffering is good because it brings you closer to Jesus, who died for your sins; martyrdom is good
>fosters community through adherence to its tenets
>is essentially a death cult

Trans ideology:
>there is something wrong with you, you were born in the wrong body
>your body is not who you are, you can be a different gender than your body
>Trans ideologists complain about male gaze and "sexual abuse" while being child rapists themselves
>suffering is good because it's brave and heroic, every follower who kills themselves is a hero who "lost the fight"
>fosters community through adherence to its tenets
>is essentially a death cult

>>717698437
>>717698437
Trannyism is slave morality got it

>>717696107
UMVC3 and UNI

>>717695754
>Where the fuck are all the cool characters?
>Where are edgelords?
>Where are the villains?
>Where is the tension, malice, hatred, between characters.
>Every fighting cast now feels like a group of friends having a friendly sparring match.

true true, you can make a youtube video out of this. Feels like marvel safe-space pussy pat hugbox, but then it is really.
Even the tryhard Tekken rivalries seem empty and soulless, or they've gone on for too long it's played itself out.

>>717696989
>spoiler
Aren't CF lobbies pretty common? They even have Saturday lobby threads.

>>717696989
>you don't need to play to be good at it

>>717672649
capcom isn't touching snk with a flagpole after fatal flop dude. if cvs3 was in dev/discussion in the first place that shit is being banished to the tekken x sf dimension

>>717695754
>>717698903
Fighters having more heroes than villains has been a problem for a long time.
It’s hard to sustain a vicious rivalry that you know will go nowhere because no one actually wants to see their character die

>>717699219
is this the guy who uses a voice filter to sound manlier?

>>717693010
I want a traditional fighting game but with platforms, but no other platform fighter stuff. Afaik no one has made that. There was that one guilty gear with different levels but it also had a weird facing direction mechanic and a focus on 4p vs and shit, I want to try just like, MBAACC but with stuff on the stage to do movement on. No blast zones, no percent, no DI, no tilts/strongs, just a normal fighting game with good normal fighting game movement and some platforms to move on.

>>717700219
your best bet is hacking that (platforms) into mugen imo

>>717664187
I don't think you understand what traced or rotoscoped means. It means literally drawing over lines. Calling this even a reference is an exaggeration

>>717699654
SNK can give them a sweatheart deal for the license, maybe even free for the "exposure" because that's how bum-rumbled SNK is rn.

But I don't think fans even want CvS3 anyway, Capcom made all their own characters top tier in CvS2, SNK fans would be suspicious and patches can change everything on a whim. Mai is already in SF6 so the crossover novelty is gone.

>>717685968
you can't plagarize something that is extremely trivial (such as the move of squatting) even if you copy it from a specific source material

this one >>717686353 is not plagiarism either, it's a reference/parody (the character is literally called mike bison in japan), it gives credit to the source material already

>>717693010
Tekken 4's approach to stage designs in a better game

>>717699681
More games need to keep dead fan-favorites around as non-canon legacy characters like GGXX did

>>717696107
I used to kind of dismiss KOFXIII as a poser game for secondaries/non-players who just jerked off to the sprites and overly long combos, but actually getting in and playing the game won me over big time. The whole cast is a real joy to play and to just mess around with.

>>717697072
>>717697072
based it was so fun

>>717664019 (OP)
I literally have no idea how people manage to pull of combos. Like zero idea. Whenever I try nothing happens and I am not even that bad at gaming. I have beaten several games with no real problem that /v/ often talk about how hard they are.

>>717702614
you press the buttons on your controller

>>717702614
Press buttons in sequence.

>>717702614
anon have you tried pressing the buttons

>>717702614
you hold down auto button while using modern scheme

>>717702434
Transforming mid match is the tightest shit ever, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>717702614
Game? Character?

>>717702614
Generally combos happen in rhythm of a fight. You can see the inputs before your eyes in a guide, but you will still need to feel it happen. So the second hit of any combo is generally chasing the first hit which you never know when you're actually going to connect. So you fish for that first hit, then when you get it, you try to follow it up with the second hit in the combo. After that, most games like you buffer the inputs so the timing doesn't matter so much.

>>717702614
it's like playing an instrument or typing

>>717703148
that is the problem. I have really bad rhytm

>>717702614
>>717703148
Anyway, because of this, learning combos must come after understanding footsies and how to jump in and successfully get that first hit. It's actually easier to keep your game simple and instead of dropping long combos, use heavy attacks to punish your opponent instead.

>>717698437
>Trans ideology became popular in the West because it's a good replacement for Christianity.
lol wtf

They all feel like the same shit

>>717702614
OK but have you tried pressing the buttons better?

>>717665785
cringe

>>717700219
Have you played Outfoxies?

>>717664019 (OP)
why can't SF get a cute japanese chick that isnt a tomboy or a npc?

>>717664019 (OP)
SF6 is very much alive and the one I play, that's all I need.

>>717703920
because street fighter isn't about having cute japanese chicks that aren't tomboys or "npcs"
try a different franchise for your gooner retardation, faggot

>>717703920
you should play weebshit anime games if you want skinny little girls in frilly dresses who are somehow world class martial arts practitioners

>>717704310
chun li's literally the main female protagonist and her whole thing is being prim and proper
how did you even miss the first girl in the game? LOL

>>717664019 (OP)
I played some earlier and they seem fine to me

>>717704420
I didnt know SFEX was weebshit because it's full of japanese girls like that, but thanks for explaining that to me anon

>>717694304
When people say a genre/game/series is dead it means it's not longer being played or receiving new releases. It's not just another way to describe "thing I don't like" you fucking retard.

>>717704625
The EX series was a non-canon spinoff party game that only existed because Capcom was desperate to get into the 90s 3D craze.
Nobody gives a fuck about this games except the 30 nostalgiafags that still remember it.
Stop trying to force weeb bullshit into the series, you're already getting Ingrid.

>>717704972
SFV had characters like karin, r.mika, laura, menat, and akira and they're all the weebiest characters you could create, I don't get why you faggots are so autistically against my suggestion since SF has always been an anime franchise

>>717664019 (OP)
fighting games are more alive than ever
SOVL is dead

>>717705221
you just listed a bunch of tomboys and menat after complaining about all SF girls being tomboys.

Why are fighting games the only genre where old people win way more than younger people?

>>717705680
brains > braun

>>717705680
Because young people are stupid and you cant win a mind game if you're playing like an idiot. This is changing in recent years as they collapse the skill ceiling though.

>>717705656
>OHOHOHO ojou-sama in a frilly dress is a tomboy

>>717705680
boomer shooters

>>717689118
If you are like me, youll destroy and waste money on everything that isnt a keyboard

>>717705910
>muscly schoolgirl in spats is not a tomboy
try again

>>717694248
>Look at what happened to Strive
A total success that succeeded and survived because of normalfags? It became the most successful game in the series, the 2nd most successful arc game after dbfz, and remained the 4th most played fighter after the big 3 for 4 years straight going on 5 with ranked coming in a few weeks and season 5 coming next year.

>>717705221
>SF has always been an anime franchise
...LOL

>>717667705
>1v1 games are dead
chess is popular

>>717706219
any recent example? didnt realize boomer shooters still have a esports scene

>>717704489
her whole thing is being a tough punk tomboy bitch and also she's chinese, not japanese, you utter fucking retarded coombrained nigger

>>717667705
>other 1v1 games are dead
card games like magic and yugioh are still around

>>717706412
no anon. Just doing sports is not being a tomboy. Just from the way she speaks in japanese you can tell she was raised as a classy lady.

>>717706737
ok zoomer, I understand jerking off to SFV porn was your first encounter with SF but you need to stop embarrassing yourself and get in the melty blood bathroom where you belong

>>717705680
>Why are fighting games the only genre where old people win way more than younger people?
old heads who grew up playing in arcades vs zoomer trans who just visit reddit
easy matchup

>>717707013
>if you do sports as a woman you’re a tomboy
please go outside

Would there ever be a arcsys x capcom game? I think that would top marvel tokon at this point of things people would not expect.

>they worked twice with each other and never again

there is definitely beef between them but that's why it is so interesting

>>717707863
let's hope not, since arcsys can't make a fighting game to save their fucking lives

>>717707863
I wonder if something happened when it was actually in the works that soured the well.

>>717665785
based

>>717704640
>the people complaining about new releases claiming the genre is dead are complaining because there aren't new releases
lmao midwit

>>717707863
No there is zero chance and there is no beef between them this is a weird "rumor" that is spread and is only perpetuated by this retarded board for reasons unknown.

>>717696107
Undernight and Soulcalibur. Undernight just feels right, like a glove made just for me. Soul Calibur showed me that 3D fighting games don't have to feel like shit to move in. I only played T7 until then.

>>717689365
>>717680741
I feel you bros, the day I joined a tournament just for the heck of it was the day I stopped enjoying playing fighting games. It twists your mind and corrodes your soul.

>>717707863
let's hope not, since arcsys already has trannies and doesn't need more

>>717707013
>immediately projects
every single time

>>717708174
maybe that's why sengoku basara and the hnk fighting games turned out so fucked

mom dad...im a modern and autocombo user...

>>717709803
>back in my day we had modern controls, not these complicated directions that go nowhere
>my fighting games were simple that anyone can play without spending your life on

I hope the future fighting game players would tell uncs like this to stfu

>>717685862
>She...

>>717688561
Black people are a minority and trans people are a minority within a minority. Obviously they are harder to see.

>>717694846
shina sexo

>>717664019 (OP)
STFU

also "fightan" is a faggot word

>>717691689
You SHETTEE VAMPAIER

>>717709803
nice son, have fun. let me know when you break at least 1600mmr. (won’t happen)

>>717706412
yup that's such a tomboyish hairstyle there anon

>>717707863
supposedly that was actually in development for atomiswave. hard to imagine now though

>>717712012
>supposedly

Nah, Sammy vs Capcom was formally unveiled at a Japanese trade show in the early 2000s but was scrapped due to a combination of legal complications arising from the Sega-Sammy merger and supposedly ArcSys having trouble reconciling the more grounded SF characters with the crazier over the top style of Guilty Gear (that said I think general consensus is that it never made it past early pre-production). It's virtually never talked about though many years ago Seth Killian did respond on the old Capcom forums to someone asking about it once.

>This was a project with some interest at one point, but has been dormant for a long time. Things are different today than when the idea was originally conceived, both in terms of the changed market for fighting games as well as the corporate changes at Sammy/Arc Systems/Aksys, and I haven't heard anything about it since I've been at Capcom

>>717689365
I dont know about diaphone or Max but Sajams said that fighting games are not any harder than any other competitive game that people play which quite frankly is true. If you played Rocket league or dota against someone with twice as many hours and better mmr you would get raped in the same way. I will agree most of the people in the fgc are annoying faggots. All the people who call me slurs or ragequit or winquit on me in sf6 have xyzFGC clubs. The people at locals will be outwardly nice and shittalk you behind your back, probably the most feminine thing trannies do is how catty they are.

>>717711935
yes, just ignore 90% of the character design

>>717712306
>call you names behind your back
you deserve it faggot. no one likes trannies.

Why was Justin Wong, in his mid-30s at the time, trying to channel the Reynhard Sinaga look?

>>717708921
>SFV had characters like karin, r.mika, laura, menat, and akira and they're all the weebiest characters you could create
>SFV had characters
>SFV
>SF has always been an anime franchise
>ignores the origin of all the characters to focus on their appearance in SFV while claiming that's always how SF was
>is only in this thread to complain about not being able to coom to the female characters
yeah, totally not a SFV coomer.

>>717712578
No one likes dumb niggers who can't read, I'm not the tranny in this scenario. Not even sure how you got that out of my response.

>>717708452
reminds me of the "Marvel hates Capcom/vice versa after Infinite" bullshit anons tried to shit out as true even in the face of the contrary. Its still propagated today because of the Tokon announcement.

>>717701987
You're a pathetic shill.

>>717712773
nah its as obvious and clear as the sun rising every morning that you are a massive faggot.
only women(which you will never be) and faggots care about others talking shit behind their backs.

>>717701987
>you can't plagarize something that is extremely trivial (such as the move of squatting) even if you copy it from a specific source material
Jesus Christ, you're a fucking moron.

>>717665785
https://youtu.be/vLLz8-HMnJA
was listening to this when she started dancing

>>717712948
Why wouldn't they hate marvel? they fucked with their game and helped kill MvC, Disney obviously wasn't happy either which is why they are now working with another dev to make exactly the same kind of game. If i was on either end of this arrangement id move on, this is also why I think MvC 4 is not happening and CvS is being prioritised.

>>717713204
>t. bitchmade poolshitter

you'll die screaming in pools again this year too

>>717667705
I get it but for me it's the oposite. I get really annoyed at team based games because I feel I could be giving the best match of the century and be dragged down by a single mediocre team mate.
At least in a fightan there's two deciding factors, three if you count matchmaking deciding I should bet my ass gaped by someone a couple tiers above me.

>>717713560
I will fuck your mother you nigger dont fuck with me.

sneed

>>717713287
probably because Infinite was a failed product that both companies acknowledged and recovered from and the long standing business relationship from the 90's (80's if you count Capcom's relationship with Disney) sustained itself with the Arcade1up cabinets and MvC adjacent merch well after 2018 because employees didn't care for airing drama out at least publicly.
if there's any Capcom employee that specifically hates Marvel that worked on Infinite, they either don't work there anymore or were never vocal about their hatred to begin with which is fine.
But there's been a lot of positive words on the contrary, at least some of the SF6 devs and everyone in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOAxkoMMGmw that includes OG MvC devs likely want to work on another one or have stated as much in collection interviews:
>Disney obviously wasn't happy either which is why they are now working with another dev to make exactly the same kind of game.
It's a tag game with Marvel characters, sure, but everything about about is still ArcSys's take on the subgenre and from the EVO stuff, it doesn't seem like it's trying to totally replace MvC gameplay-wise. And all we know about Tokon's inception is that it was proposed initially by a Sony rep and ArcSys found the subgenre to be sacred and Marvel was cool with it. Putting it in the place of MvC is not something I'd advise anyone to do given everything Marvel and Capcom have said publicly about MvC, especially surrounding the collection.

just go on fightcade

the new summer skins....they look alright....

>>717702962
yeah and it wasn't annoying to learn how to do the cool things, such an underrated fighter

>>717715725
Obviously nobody cares enough about a corporation to actually hate anyone but it feels like an inevitable outcome that devs would seek alternatives when their last collaboration went so poorly, the devs themselves do have sway over what games they advocate for.

That video doesnt convince me that capcom still gives a shit, the SF6 directors only takeaway when asked about MvC is
>wow fans really seem to like this series huh?
>the animations and music were nice for the time, please appreciate them!
The MvC dev is more enthusiastic but he has no power since that team was disbanded and the only internal FG team left is the SF one. I get a completely different feeling when I hear the SF director talk about CvS, they actually seem to care.

>>717696107
+R. I barely play anything else nowadays.

>>717717193
okay, here's Matsumoto directly responding to a question about MvC4:
>The community all wants to see Marvel vs. Capcom 4. Do you think that’s possible?
>We're always thinking about how we can release one, although a game from the “VS.” series can't be realised by Capcom alone. It will depend on timing and a combination of various factors to make it happen, so we hope everyone will continue to support us.
https://www.nintendolife.com/features/venom-dr-doom-and-whoever-irm-in-the-mood-for-that-day-shuhei-matsumoto-talks-marvel-vs-capcom
If Tokon's the reason that MvC4 is not out by now, aight, I'll wait. But these nips specifically want to keep working on the series even if other nips made a deal with Marvel.

>>717717784
>ahhh timing is tricky and its up to disney
yeah, that's a totally luke warm non committal response, now compare it to when they are asked about CvS
>"In terms of a brand new [Capcom vs. SNK] game, that's something that they would love to make," Nakayama and Matsumoto's translator said on behalf of the two. "They would love to continue talking to SNK and see what they can do to make it happen."
>Nakayama and Matsumoto reiterate that they themselves are fans of CvS and SNK's fighting games, so it's clear they have personal interest in such a project.

Its obvious what the most important fighting game devs at capcom prefer, you could say this is some perception management shit and they are acting cold around MvC because its actually happening but that seems like cope. So you have a couple of directors who want to make cvs and the last marvel was a disaster, what do they push for?

>>717696107
Marvel Super Heroes.
X-Men vs Street Fighter.

Nothing else came close for me. No MvC isn't the same. No MvC2 isn't better.

I like playing Granblue..........................................................

>>717696107
Street Fighter Alpha 3 and currently SamSho II.

>>717687137
yes!!

>>717664019 (OP)
>making game only appealing to a very small sector that constantly plays it
damn i wonder why

>>717718407
If CvS3's coming before, it existing would validate MvC4 because of the leak so they can go ahead and release it, but if you are going to speculate that MvC4 got cancelled because of CvS3, go ahead. I already got my affirmation that MvC was back when the direct happened last year. There's obvious care put into the collection too. Especially the post launch updates that Capcom could have half-assed for MvC2 and the new shinkiro art + music.
SNK is likely easier to get a hold of now but it's wild to believe MvC4 is off the table in this year.

>>717664187
thank you, i was wondering too

>>717701603
>>717699654
That's sad, CvS3 is literally the only fighting game that I would actually get excited for at this point.

>>717664019 (OP)
lack of new IPs? remember skull girls?

>>717719107
But they don't even do that, modern fighting game devs hate people who like fighting games.

I'm a totally new player wanting to get into the fighting game scene. What game should I get and practice my skills on?

>>717719624
there's tekken 8 and street fighter 6, pick the one you think looks cooler

>>717719624
Granblue or SF6

>>717719624
Play a free game first to see if it's for you
>KI2013
if you want an SF like game
>groober
if you like uguuslop
>favelacade/emulation
if you want to play like an oldhead

>>717719704
I was kinda thinking about either playing Terry in 6 or Clive in tekken but I haven't been able to choose between the two games

Nobody makes fighting games for themselves anymore, they make games for the FGC.

>>717719752
>groober
Wtf is this

>>717719827
My bad. groober as in Granblue like the other anon said.

>>717719863
Thank you anon-sama-kun

>>717685968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sd3uuAKCz4

>>717719624
+R

The worst advice I got and actually followed when I started playing FGs was to play a game to "learn" fighting games first, rather than picking the game I actually thought was the coolest. Same thing happens with characters.
You can learn by playing any game or character, and playing what's the most fun to you will motivate you to keep playing.

>>717665785
GOD

>>717708392
>fighting games are more popular than ever, but are actually dead because fags on /v/ don't like it.
lmao retard.

>>717664019 (OP)
i found a new love in Waku Waku 7

i don't know how to play fighting games
do i mash buttons or do commands?

>>717721159
Yes

>>717721159
hold forward to block
hold down forward to block low attacks

>>717721159
mash commands

>>717720170
The only time you need to "learn" first is if you're jumping into an old game populated only by veterans. Otherwise, you can learn the way it was intended: by retard mashing against other retards and figuring out what works. If you like it, you'll naturally start to gravitate to resources that help you learn the game better, even if it's just the in game tutorials.

>>717692989
>>717665785
>no tattoo
Nice

>>717664019 (OP)
because people are too pussified and dont want to lose

unique attacks are why I don't like fighting games.
"you punched wrong because you were trying to get close to your opponent to punch them" FUCK YOU

>>717721159
fighting games are so unintuitive for a noob that it's difficult to grasp. you see how fun and exciting a game looks when you watch good players play, but then you sit down with it and barely kill the first npc in an arcade mode with jabs, sweeps, and the occasional jump in + button.

>>717664019 (OP)
They aren't you're just filled with cope and seethe about "missing out"

>>717720583
malulu
ween!

>>717721512
You could just have said you're footsies are bad.

>>717721530
The only thing you really need to grasp is the concept of frame data and turns. Everything after that is an application of those concepts.

>>717721641
can't fighting games just have 1 type of punch and kick and a bunch of special moves?
why have a billion types of light punches?

>>717721159
you should watch the best 2d fighting game tutorial ever made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2UfoD_7nds

>>717721789
Games like that exist.

these are my friends' favorite fighting games. all my friends are casuals.
obviously I could never get them to try street fighter, now I think they always knew better than me.

>>717720675
best girl

>>717722101
thats not tesse

>>717665785
She's cute as fuck. Mimidoe cosplay. No supermodel-tier pretty in the face, but still super cute and an adorable weeb.

>>717670695
>It's like getting punched in the chest when I watch it
I used to feel like that at the peak of my loneliness, but nowadays it just makes me feel happy that there are chicks out there that prefer doing adorable cosplays instead of dressing up like slutty versions of famous anime/game characters.

>>717664019 (OP)
Bros, I dunno who to main in 3rd Strike. I'm usually a Cammy player, but 3rd Strike doesn't have her. I'm stuck between Akuma and Chun. I'm leaning more towards Chun, but I just think Akuma is such a cool character. Chun is more fun, though. This is stressing me out more than it should be.

>>717681930
No, but the whole e-sports fighting scene could stand to take a few shotgun blasts to the face tho. Tryhard autism from these assburgers fuckers pretty much ruined fighting games.

>>717689243
You might shock her into disbelief there for a moment but then she'll clamp her thighs around your face and choke your air supply out, which now I typed this, feels like a great way to pass out.

>>717720257
what?

>>717722515
you're right, it's best girl arina.

>>717722415
That's pretty good

>>717722415
I'm not a fucking computer

>>717665785
That better be a fucking girl

>>717721789
It's a holdover from SF1 where it was designed with pads that you physically hit to determine your attack strength, one for punch and one for kick, and could detect levels of force in three increments: light, medium, and heavy. When machines got busted from it, they started using the same scheme with six normal buttons.

>>717721789
the fatal fury real bout series exists

>>717723521
RB2 fucking rules. 1 is the one that has ringouts and three lanes though, right? I always forget because I only played 2.

>>717712752
>keeps projecting

>>717723283
do you get confused following flowcharts too

>>717723646
>too
that is a flowchart, bro

>>717723646
if I have to turn games into work I'd rather just work

>>717723736
ngmi

>>717723283
start all the downloadin

>>717723165
i wish this game was popular but its like baby's first fighting game

>>717664019 (OP)
As a genre it's become utterly impenetrable to anyone who isn't severely autistic enough to want to spend two weeks doing nothing but labbing combos, scenarios and frame data in training mode because the FGC crowd allowed corporate money to enter into it and turn it into E-Sports. The only actually good fighting game of the last 10 years that felt like it had a newbie friendly "low floor, high ceiling" approach was SamSho and that was ruined by the fact that post-Playmore SNK is the dumbest fucking company in existence.

>>717677109
>They added to much shit, thinking combos and meter management was the key to make their game deeper.
It's not that, it's that they're trying to make complicated games that appeal only to hardcore tournament players and their attempts at appealing to casuals are genuinely retarded shit like "what if we remove motion inputs" that had no negative impact on the genre's popularity over the prior 30+ years and will not fix the actual problems of system/mechaic/meter bloat, obsessive focus on large combos, turning every knockdown into a guessing game, absolutely needing to study frame data and lab every scenario you come across like a fucking dweeb and etc. CotW is IMO the worst offender and is literally every negative thing about modern fighting game design crammed into one game that's simply unplayable for all but the most hardcore of autistic tourneyfags.

Which also gets into another problem: too many people who played Marvel and Guilty Gear/anime have gotten into fighting game design and keep trying to insert mechanics and overall design philosophy from those series that absolutely do not belong in games that are autistic air dash combo simulators. Shit like installs, setplay characters, all the afforementioned mechanical bloat and such. Get rid of these faggots.

>>717724538
this whole post is bullshit
>I got filtered so it must be that everyone else did too
The games aren't even dead, this is just how you bait people into having a fighting game thread on /v/

>>717724939
t. 09er or worse 15er

You did not used to need to lab fighting games to git gud, you got gud through simple playing and experimentation. Labbing is fucking cancerous and if were up to me training modes would be removed entirely.

>>717725013
sounds like some unc just got fossiled out of the game lmao r.i.p. sorry you're bad now

Like fuck, lab monsters used to be derided as not actually skilled players and yet the entire genre has shifted to cater to them, in part because lab play leads to HYPE moments that can be shared on social media in the hopes of trying to impress people and get them interested (and when they see how autistically impenetrable the modern genre is, they'll nope right back out).

>>717725109
there are combo videos made to be shared over fucking limewire that are older than you kid, shut the fuck up

>>717724920
Funny reading shit like this when the actualy problem with modern fighting games is that they cater exclusively to casuals and have zero depth. No execution to practice, homogenised characters, and system mechanics that make them overly simple coinflip simulators. If they actually made games for people who like fighting games, that would be great.

>>717725109
>yet the entire genre has shifted to cater to them
where? every fighting game post SF4 is easier than it

dude seriously tried to suggest SF4 didn't require labbing lmfao aint no way

>>717724920
>turning every knockdown into a guessing game
its funny how the fgc always their glorified guessing games
>>717725170
>If they actually made games for people who like fighting games, that would be great
just play +r

>>717725343
>just play +r
I do, it's my main game. But I play other games too, and it'd be nice if I could look forward to some new shit that I actually enjoy. Fatal Fury is pretty fun, surprisingly, but even that game has a lot of retarded modern fighting game design.

>>717724920
>CotW is IMO the worst offender and is literally every negative thing about modern fighting game design crammed into one game that's simply unplayable for all but the most hardcore of autistic tourneyfags.
If CotW was crammed to the brim with the worst modern game design it would be a game for drooling retards like Granblue, not an autistic tourneyfag fighter. That's what shit like Blazblue and old GG games are.

Because all gamers care about is sex. They never had any chance of actually PLAYING a game that requires skill.

fighting games are only successful as how much combo videos there are of them

>>717725434
you can play multiple games in fightcade
kof 98, kof 2002 or third strike
central fiction has rollback netcode just like +r
you are just bitching for the sake of bitching

>>717725571
>They never had any chance of actually PLAYING a game that requires skill.
fighting games players are delusional

>>717725704
I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

>>717720395
>HURRR MOAR POPULAR
this is how you cope, you can't mention quality because you know is not there, this is all your have.

>>717720170
The idea that people should learn certain characters first is garbage. Play who you want because if you're forcing yourself to use a character that, for various reasons, you don't like (you hate their design, their gameplay, whatever) then you're not going to enjoy yourself. Part of the reason I can't get into anything released in the last few years is the piss poor rosters full of characters who don't interest me and who I don't find fun. Meanwhile in SF5 I started out and mained Menat in spite of her reputation and enjoyed myself a lot more than if I'd played a Shoto or some shit.

>>717725634
I'm talking about new games you fucking retard, how do you still not get this? Yes, I play multiple old games. But I want new games to play. Especially since I don't like playing online, for me fighting games are a social activity. I want to play these games at my locals, and at events, and the older the game is the more limited the pool of players is. There's like 5 +R players I get together with to play and no sign of any newbies picking the game up. Most of the people I used to play with have families and other shit going on, or they just got tired of playing fighting games. The rest will go eventually too. I want new blood, but I don't want to play games I don't enjoy.

>>717725343
the guesses in old games at least used to be interesting, you could learn the setups and find counterplay that covered several options and then practice it to be significantly stronger against those setups, and then they would learn the counterplay and find punishes to beat that, which they have to do instead of the normal setups, so now you've got like three layers of prediction and adaptation on a normal knockdown
New games are just "bait dp or don't(assuming no safejump), then strike or throw"
SF6 doesn't even have a "then" because they brought back throw loops, so 90% of knockdown interactions are just the same extremely simple, single layer "Am I going to meaty throw or shimmy" coinflip.

>>717725880
oh i see
you are an autistic moron
go and play with your fellow neets little bitch

>>717720170
this might be a controversial take on a subject where there's a lot of talk about "passion," but...it is still just a game. like you were saying, you're supposed to have fun; play what or who you think looks fun.

>>717725968
I will, thanks. At least once a week.

>>717725148
Yes and guess what? Those were made by hardcore autistis for other hardcore autists and the general accepted truth is that most of the combos you'd see in those videos weren't practical for actual matches because they required all kinds of autistic set ups and shit that would 99.9% of the time never happen in a real match. Now that's become the norm.

>>717725306
I hope you don't mean me because SF4 is where the whole lab monster term was born and it's one of the reasons I never got into it.

>>717722695
play both, you don't have anything to lose doing that
you're not gonna go to any tourney or anything
there isn't any

>>717722415
>collect information

>>717726114
what fighting game do you like then? because 90% of old games are hard as shit

>>717725885
>the guesses in old games at least used to be interesting, you could learn the setups and find counterplay that covered several options and then practice it to be significantly stronger against those setups, and then they would learn the counterplay and find punishes to beat that, which they have to do instead of the normal setups, so now you've got like three layers of prediction and adaptation on a normal knockdown
meh
mind games are just guessing

>>717721789
Dead or Alive and Virtua Fighter both only have one button for punch, one for kick and one for your guard

>>717725864
It's not a cope. Quality is subjective. Sales and player count are not. The word dead has a meaning that has nothing to do with whether or not fags like you like the game. Seethe more retard.

>>717726329
>quality is subjective, except when one thing sales more
holy mother of copes

>>717724321
it was always bound to remain niche sadly

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>>717692989
She needs a breast reduction

>>717664019 (OP)
SF3 (third strike specifically coz no one played the other 2) killed the genre.
People could handle combos and complicated inputs, but when frame perfect parry nonsense started appearing in games, that's when everyone gave up.

>>717726549
It's not cope. I don't even like most fighting games, but they're objectively more popular then ever, so only a retard would call them dead.

>>717726193
I already said, of newer ones I've played I enjoyed SamSho 7 the most. I can go back to SF2 and enjoy it, KoF '98, and having spent time with Project Justice thanks to the CFC2 I fell in love with it. Shit like that is what the genre needs to be: easy to pick up, easy to dick around in and have fun with if you're a casual but enough depth for people who want to put the time into playing and digging deeper. This is what fighting games should be and instead they've evolved into something grotesque that strips away a lot of what makes them fun. It's not really a matter of "I can't win so game isn't fun" because I lose plenty in those games (especially KoF), it's that the actual cores of modern games are generally too obtuse for anyone who's not an obsessive tourney level player to enjoy because they're all built around, it feels like, funneling you into tournaments eventually instead of that just being a thing that happens as you play.

>>717726239
there's a layer of guessing to literally everything pvp because predicting your opponent is inherently unreliable
but if you know the interactions better than he does you're at a massive advantage
try opening up a top player in one of the old GG games, even playing one of the dumbass setplay characters like Dizzy or Millia that are theoretically pure 50/50 machines an actually good player that knows the matchup will block like 80/20 unless you're at least around their level just because they can represent options that best cover multiple of yours so they have the advantage in adaptation.
There's a reason Strive and SF6 both have random nobodies upsetting top players in bracket way more than the old games.

And it's not only something that matters for top players, if you're a mid level player struggling against a character, you can probably get a ton of value out of a little bit of lab work to figure out your best options against their simple stuff you keep getting hit by, even fairly basic layer 2 options go a really long way, because it gives you an extra tool in the adaptation game. Rewarding that kind of thing is way more interesting than "better players will guess right more often on the throw loop"

i missed the daily "/v/ bitches about fighting games" so i made another one
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>>717719163
I think MvC4 was cancelled because tokon is too similar. In the leak it was only supposed to be a 1v1 game, now its suddenly an mvc tag fighter clone. Its also just strange for marvel to reach out for another fighting game if one is already in development from the most important FG dev in the industry. I dont even think mvc is coming after cvs, the directors seem to have more affection for rival schools or darkstalkers and the idea of directly competing with tokon probably isn't that appealing.

>>717727251
you're too kind

>>717726256
They also have dozens of directional and motion inputs to be able to do most moves.

>>717727157
yeah like i said
glorified guessing games
i dont like mixups at all

>>717727157
All very true. In +R I'm pretty confident a new player (even if they're experienced with other fighting games) will not take a single match from me in a ft100 unless I massively sandbag. In newer games, I have to respect any random retard I play against because it's much easier to enforce true 50/50 situations and eventually I'll guess wrong.
It's easy to see why that style of game has taken off because it rewards new players and punishes veterans, but it's a lot less exciting to me and I struggle to find the motivation to keep improving at those games.

>>717726929
>I don't even like most fighting games
then is not a cope, you are just being pedantic for no reason because is obvious you understand what people mean by "dead".
Enjoy arguing semantics you autist.

>>717727293
>tokon is too similiar
it's already not when it doesn't have independent lifebars and doesn't even have a replacement for pushblock this time. theres some similarities but MvC never had you unlock your teammates midfight. Arc clearly wants do its own thing
>I dont even think mvc is coming after cvs, the directors seem to have more affection for rival schools or darkstalkers and the idea of directly competing with tokon probably isn't that appealing.
its one thing to dismiss matsumoto (sf6 producer). but don't underestimate Nakayama (sf6 director). He's the one who knows stuff about western comics. if theres anyone who'd gun for the chance at making MvC4, its him.