Thread 717668831

>huge generational hardware leap between 2 main series titles
>the new game is basically a direct downgrade on all fronts from the previous except maybe graphically, could easily have been made on the NES anyway
How did the mario series survive super mario world being the sequel to super mario bros 3?

It's better

>>717668831 (OP)
Golly, let's beak this down as it why that could be
>SMB3 was made 5 years after Famicom released
>SMW was a launch title
And that explains it.
Also, I like SMW more than SMB3.

Has anyone put bros 3 levels in the world engine using Mario maker? Are they any fun?

>>717668831 (OP)
Yeah mario 1 sold much worse than 3 too. It really isn't the groundbreaking earthquake that Mario 1 was. It's relevance is massively overinflated. Always thought it was weak compared to 1 even at the time it was released.

>>717668831 (OP)
Womp womp. Looks like the original was the best. Looks like the sequels were sloppy as fuck and people didn't buy them. Womp womp.

>>717668831 (OP)
>could easily have been made on the NES anyway
Not true. Nintendo couldn't get Yoshi to work right on the NES.
The big centrepiece gimmick needed the console which warranted the new game.

>>717669256
Clanker post

>>717668831 (OP)
Miyamoto was director on 3 and much more hands-on in development. Takashi Tezuka took over as director on World.

>>717669442
>Googoogaga.
Sorry I don't speak Fetus. Cone back once you've grown hair on your nuts, Sport.

>>717669540
Clanker post

>>717669364
Didn't expect the Galaxies to have sold that poorly.

>>717669562
Still means nothing to me, like your pointless existence.

>>717669256
>Yeah mario 1 sold much worse than 3 too.
Did you mix them up? Also mario 3 is a perfectly logical step forward from 1. 2 (doki doki panic) was a good game but very much unrelated to 1, 3 expands on pretty much everything 1 introduced. World doesn't even feel as deep and as polished as 3, looks like a NES game, and basically only expands on the exploration aspect, but even then, there are no hidden passages on the maps, no inventory, no toad houses, no enemy stages

>>717669565
The vast majority of people can't play 3D third person games.

>>717669638
Yes I got them mixed up. I think that adding bells and whistles will never yield better sales than a true innovation.

>>717668831 (OP)
>>the new game is basically a direct downgrade on all fronts from the previous except maybe graphically,

Complete mental illness. Name one fucking thing Super Mario Bros 3 does better than Super Mario World.

>>717669431
Yoshi is a pretty weak gimmick gameplay wise. He only uses temporary, situational powerups with the shells, is annoying to retrieve when you get hit, there is I think only 1 hidden passage to find using yoshi, he can't enter ghost houses and fortresses (literally why)
The only important thing about yoshi is that he looks great and immediately was a smash hit character. He was merely a marketing ploy.

>>717669684
Honestly a few years ago I would have thought you were memeing but I've seen some shit now so you might be onto something.

>>717669838
>Yoshi is a pretty weak gimmick gameplay wise

Low IQ retard. There's a huge amount of gameplay depth added by Yoshi.

>>717668831 (OP)
It was more Mario. Everyone had played the shit out of Mario 3 by the time the SNES came out. More Mario = win.

>>717669928
Literally what? Being able to kill like 2 enemies that mario can't kill? Walking on spikes that is only useful once (mario 3 already did that with the shoe btw)

>>717669905
They struggle with controlling the character and the camera with separate thumbs. We take it for granted, but it's a majour hurdle for the majority of the market.

>>717670058
Galaxy 1 and 2 have a fixed camera doe

>>717670019
When Yoshi eats shells he gains new abilities depending on the shells.
Can be used to reach unreachable areas.
Can walk on things Mario can't.
Can be used to solve puzzles and access new routes in the game Mario can't

The list goes on. This one simple addition adds more depth and gameplay variety than all of worthless meme suits from Mario 3 added together.

Not to mention Mario World is just a far bigger and better game than Mario 3, whose huge sprawling levels shit all over Mario 3's tiny simplistic ones.

With better tighter controls and gameplay focused on exploration and puzzle solving rather than brain-dead running from left to right.

Mario World rapes Mario 3 so hard it's honestly painful to watch.

It's hard to imagine a time when people were excited to see the next iteration of a copy paste platformer.

>>717670335
zoomies don't really get the leaps that games made back in the day

>>717670287
>When Yoshi eats shells he gains new abilities depending on the shells.
>Can be used to reach unreachable areas.
>Can walk on things Mario can't.
>Can be used to solve puzzles and access new routes in the game Mario can't
This is all true, the problem is this only happens like 3 times in the whole game. The power ups that yoshi has are literally all shittier, temporary versions of mario's powerups. Even the ground pound thing is just a slightly wider cape spin attack (which is literally the raccoon from mario 3 btw)
>whose huge sprawling levels shit all over Mario 3's tiny simplistic ones.
This also applies to like 4 levels total between the first and second world, most other levels later in the game are classic platform challenges. Sure there are some cool ideas like the chocolate island level that changes based on how many coins you have and shit, but most levels aren't sprawling at all

>>717670418
Yeah the last 10 years of stagnation have been depressing. The first time I saw Gran Turismo 3 on PS2, fuck i thought it was real.

>>717670545
>absolute gibberish and lies

>>717669364
>>717669565
I'm more surprised about Yoshi's Island myself.
The fuck happened there.

>>717669802
>muh powerups
That's all these faggots have got to boast about.

World is better than 3. 3fags are retarded

>>717668831 (OP)
>the new game is basically a direct downgrade on all fronts from the previous
This doesn't apply here though.

>>717669565
All games pictured sold really well.

>>717672463
Muh power ups that you can’t even find. Hammer suit would be way cooler if it was easier to get

>>717668831 (OP)
SMW was my first mario game, therefore it is better and the best one.

>>717672720
Mine was 1 in all stars

World just feels better to control. The level design isn’t as good but it’s only marginally marginally worse. For me it’s world. Cape is also way more fun than the leaf

>>717668967
FPBP

>>717669802
NTA, but
SMW has better secrets, better levels on an overall scale, the ability to replay levels, and a better world map.

SM3 has better powerup variety, better individual levels, better bosses, more interesting world maps, and the best gimmick in Giant Land.

>>717668831 (OP)
>could easily have been made on the NES anyway

>>717669364
>Womp womp. Looks like the original was the best. Looks like the sequels were sloppy as fuck and people didn't buy them. Womp womp.

Super Mario Bros. 1 was bundled with the NES from 1985 onwards. If you were to remove all of the bundled system sales and just look at the stand alone sales, the original Super Mario Bros. would probably end up being one of the worst selling Mario games. The same could be said for Super Mario World, as it was bundled with the SNES from day one.

>>717668831 (OP)
it leaned into exploration and secrets, a big connected map, branching paths, and dozens of hidden exits.