Thread 717671023

WoW Classic is a complete failure.

Doesn't classic eventually become the thing they don't want as they add more stuff?

>Twitter screenshot
>Autistically playing the same game on repeat for decades
>Raid parseniggery

>its OSRS's fault!
audibly kek'd. to no one's surprise Cata slaughtered the player base again

>>717671151
When does Classic become modern WoW?

>>717671473
It's an option Blizzard is considering

>>717671473
WoTLK after Ulduar.

why would runescape players care about wow? its when people say wow is dead because of ff14. why would final fantasy playstation players care about wow

>>717671785
A bunch of WoW streamers started playing OSRS because they had nothing else to do now the blizzdrones will cry about osrs for the next 5 years life they did with ffxiv since covid

What's the difference between WoW and Classic? Is the overworld drastically different as a result of events that otherwise haven't canonically occurred during your playthrough or something?

I think everyone can agree that classic wow ended on wotlk so why do they keep releasing servers for the next expansions if it's going to be just modern wow but less?

>MoP was the final nail in retail's downfall
>Surely if we re-release MoP it will work THIS time.

>>717672267
The original continents that the game launched with changed in the 3rd expansion.(The classic progression servers are currently on the 4th expansion so that part of the world is the same as it is on retail now.) Also each expansion typically adds a new continent, none of which have changed since they were added to the game. Other than that your character's progression doesn't really change the world past some minor cosmetic differences when you complete some quests.

The real main difference between retail and classic is class balancing and relevancy of content.

>every year once a year without fail
OSRS IS ALIVE AGAIN ALMOST 250k PLAYERS ONLINE AT ONCE
if you divided that total by the number of alts, iron alts, or just flat out bots you'd get pitiful numbers.

>>717672369
>Spend bare minimum on resources to refurbish/test old expansion
>Reskin/recolor some mounts to throw into a deluxe bundle
>???
>Profit
simple as

>>717671023 (OP)
I don't care. Legion Remix at the end of year!

>>717673297
I think it's in September

>>717672267
MoP is arguably the first "modern" version of WoW, which eventually led to retail. The game is more or less as it was in 2012. The game world is similar, save for the extra continents, and the gameplay is starting to show the first signs of what would become retail gameplay.
Imo Classic is getting less and less interesting as it progresses, because you end up with a water downed version of retail, minus the convenience.

>>717671023 (OP)
>This game and that game is the reason
Or people simply don't want to play MoP again. But again, Blizzard literally doesn't give a shit because it's so cheap and easy for them to just release and forget about it

>>717671151
>>717671473
Cata is where they ruined the classic world with the world revamp, MoP is where it truely became modern with the new watered down talent trees.

i see a lot of people leveling slowly to 90 and not raiding yet so hopefully it has a long tail

>>717671473
tbc is just vanilla but with nothing to do at the end game except for raid logging and maybe do arenas if that's your thing but it still wow. wotlk is literally retail lite

>>717671473
The actual answer is Burning Crusade once they added flying mounts.

Brainlet here
Why are raiders always the measuring stick for players? How come casuals that idle in their starter city in a cute outfit are never considered?

>>717671681
this

>>717672267
>Is the overworld drastically different as a result of events that otherwise haven't canonically occurred during your playthrough or something?
not anymore lmao

OSRS seems like a lot of people grinding mindlessly using mods for no real reason. I mean it can be argued that many MMOs have a pointless grind, but I feel I never hear about anything else concerning that game.

>>717671473
Real answer is Legion

the beginning of mop is a slog and msv/hof aren't very good, people might be waiting for tot/soo

>>717675005
Because Raids are the only thing WoW has going for it.

>>717675107
I played osrs for a year and all I can say is if your not some wigger streamer in a epic pk clan, you farm the same boss hundreds of times. That's it. I enjoyed it for that year killed alch hydra a few times and quit. I was a neet then and even I was like fuck wasting that much time. Also as someone who grew up playing wow, unless you enjoy world pvp only losers who never saw naxx on live play thst shit. Parsing, speedrun 20 year old content like lmao..

With that said mop was a great expansion and had warrior, hunter and lock as the most fun they ever been. Still, I'll suck a dick before I ever play an MMO again. If people insist on playing wow go play ascension, it's actually fun

>>717675005
>casuals that idle in their starter city in a cute outfit
because those are playing retail wow (the current version of the game). shit is filled with soccer moms collecting achievements and mounts and trannies who do gay ERP in goldshire. people who play "classic" expansions are mostly raiders or pvpers

>>717671023 (OP)
>Paying to play a retail private server
>a monthly sub even
I fucking hate blizzard, what they did to the company, and what they are now. I would rather stick my anus in an ant hill than give them a single cent.

>>717671473
after auto dungeon finder you get the really bad community that's indicative of modern wow

>>717671473
its >>717671681
is the start of the sickness, it really died with world shattering.

>>717671023 (OP)
WoW classic should have stopped at Wrath. Anything past that is just older retail.

Turns out there's a cutoff point for what the masses consider to be classic or not classic, and the idea that Blizz could just do a WoW version that moves forward but x years in the past was stupid from the beginning.

Mop raids are pretty good all in all imo. Pandaria itself is pretty ass with few exceptions. Im probably only one in the world who actually likes the Klaxxi questline where you free them

>>717671023 (OP)
>picture literally explains the situation
my friend has been busy doing aq40 several times i've wanted to do things. i don't think it's any secret that the older versions of classic are more popular than the newer ones but we still fill our 25m raiding group every week, sometimes needing to pug a single healer or something. the only yardstick i care about is if my guild and raid group are active. and apparently there are still enough people in the world to make doing dailies annoying, too.

>>717675005
WoW has had raids and arenas as the sole endgame content for decades, with M+ only being added in Legion. Moms and ERPers are actually smarter than most players, because unlike them, they're having the time of their lives collecting pets or writing smut.

>>717675154
Why'd they even do a staggered release of t14 anyway? It can't be for "no changes" reasons because they've done some balance adjustments just for classic

>>717675819
>monkeys are actually smarter than humans because they just have fun throwing shit

>>717675979
Raiders, PVPers and to a lesser extent M+ players aren't having fun and they're paying good money for that. ERPers and facebookmom are.
>>717675967
Gotta keep those engagement numbers up, same shit as time gating.

>>717676201
dimwits are easier to amuse

Who the FUCK is still playing WoW in this day and age???

>>717676472
Paying for a game you don't enjoy is pretty fucking stupid

>>717676572
You know that hypothetical people throw around where they go
>if you could redo your school years using all the knowledge you have now, what would you change?
and it results in people fantasizing about how they'd be at the top the second time round?That's basically the classic wow fanbase except they forget everyone else also has this knowledge, so nothing's going to change

>>717676572
Me

I played retail WoW from Lich King to Warlords of Draenor. What is a good private server for a comfy leveling experience and more or less decent raiding?

>>717676765
this is also why you get so many people desperately chasing the new Fresh™ experience

>>717676793
You're paying a monthly subscription to play a bad game. Are you retarded by chance?

>>717676721
all the raiders i know are having fun, surprisingly even in retail which i don't play

>>717676889
I pay for it with WoW tokens with gold. Grinding enough gold for one is really easy.

>>717671023 (OP)
Predictable. I wonder if people with bother coming back for SoO.

>>717676572
Me

ugliest race/class combo?

Just two more weeks until WoW is dead.

>>717671023 (OP)
I look back on MOP fondly but I will never play it again.

>>717671473
post LichKing, from there on Blizzard started developing around DBM, which made the game too hard for people with a fucking neuron of intelligence, you can tell by how many people got filtered by Grim Batol.

>>717676572
>retail
gen x and boomers doing dumb stuff like collecting mounts in their free time
>classic mop
faggots and ledditors who played retail wow 10 years ago and now they hate modern retail wow even if it's the same pile of crap
>classic anniversary
mentally ill neets milennials and zoomers who are absolutely mazed by vanilla wow. they will play fresh servers for the rest of their lives

lmao. But all my zoomer buddies assured me MoP was goated

>>717671281
Cata is the 4E of WoW.

>>717674960
Nah BC is where it made Horde more viable. The best expack.

Nobody cares about Pandas outside of fags that want to fuck them. And this is a small minority of players

>>717677750
if faggot elves were what it took to make horde "viable" then perhaps it was never worthy of being so

>>717671473
unironically the pre-cata patch

>>717671023 (OP)
>only 157k players
truly dead

>>717677742
Kino but relentlessly torn down and memory holed by the old guard?

>>717678027
that's just characters with raid logs, some people will have alts
for the first week those are pretty low numbers
10 weeks into the season you usually see a decline to just 20% of those numbers

survival hunter: chosen
gear: chosen by simulator
reforges: computed by addons
yeah, it's skill time

>>717678232
>mashes explosive shot

I'm enjoying MoP with my buddies

I've said it before

PANDAS ARE FUCKING GAY AND NO ONE ACTUALLY LIKES MOST OF MOP

>>717671473
I'd say whenever dungeon finder and cross server stuff was added.

When servers lost their server-centric community.

>>717671023 (OP)
Dead game lmao

>>717671151
So, i believe the whole idea behind doing a 'classic' mmo is the idea of taking some major change, and simply... not doing it? Like OSRS's idea is not doing the evolution of combat update and going from there, i dunno what Classic's initial premise was though, i've never played WoW.

>>717678320
I'm sorry about the lead levels in your municipal water supply, your country has failed you.

>>717678679
a handful of changes and tighter patch schedule improves every expansion with little effort

>>717671023 (OP)
cataclysm and anything after is not classic

>no LFR
>no celestial dungeons
what am i supposed to do? level every class to 90? grind valor points with heroic dungeons nonstop? i'm not 15 anymore, doing the same thing for 100 hours has lost its luster

mmo endgame is the worst part about mmos, and i love almost everything about mists of pandaria

I just don't get OSRS despite playing it in class in highschool when it was launched. If it was free I could sort of get it but it baffles me that people actually pay a subscription for essentially an idle game

>>717671023 (OP)
>2025
>the game has been dead for over a decade and its corpse raped and mutilated multiple times to the point that is no longer recognizable
>retard threads about wow being dead still being posted AKA theres still people playing this fucking game

blizzcucks are truly the most mentally ill fanbase in existance

>>717679175
go do normal msv? lfr is a fucking cancer.

>>717671473
Imho either wotlk or cata. I want to say cata due to the changes to the world, but realistically wotlk.

Specifically, the heirlooms were a huge red flag, because they fixed a problem for already present players while fucking over new ones, when the better solution should have been a rethinking of the levelling.

>>717673436
Imho there are 4 eras
Vanilla + tbc -> wotlk + cata -> pandaria + wod -> legion onwards

>>717677579
I am playing anniversary because I want tbc...

>>717679528
>rethinking of the levelling.
it's bizarre they spent so much effort overhauling leveling in the worst way possible and didn't fix anything about slogging through dead expansions

>>717677460
Orc Caster

>>717679613
i like to group wrath+cata+mop, once the prunes started in wod or legion or whatever it ends the wotlk class design era

>>717671023 (OP)
> 150,000 CHARACTERS
>resurgence of runescape blamed
..fucking lol. I remember a month into BfA release when Runescape overtook WoW in players.
Timeless Isle was the only MMO content Blizzard ever tried and it was great but that's not out. They are also one of the worst companies, hated by every demographic and only supported by trannies and other homosexual sex offenders.

>>717673436
What a retarded take. MoP was the pinnacle of the game as far as gameplay goes. WoD started the move toward porting it to mobile devices. Then Legion decided they had to focus on making everything even more autistic to be esports. Now they are trying to do both of these antithetical ideas nobody wants at once.

>>717671023 (OP)
>before people say it's dead it's not dead. there are just other more popular games that the regular players are playing instead which is killing the players numbers but it doesn't mean the game is dead.
why the fuck do they do this every single time? why can they never just admit when something has flopped or is dying off? it's not as though the universe exists solely within their head and their acknowledging a dying game makes it reality. even objective shit like concord they refuse to admit it on and instead blame sony marketing or genre fatigue as though nobody had heard of the game prior to launch and they hadn't been getting told loudly from the initial trailers and pathetic beta numbers that people didn't like the game.

>>717679426
yeah spamming lfg and joining a big group of faggots on discord to do the same exact thing is way better
fuck off

>>717671023 (OP)
Why is it so hard for blizzard to make new classicesque content?

I'm not going to level 10 classes through all the old bullshit just to play one patch of one expansion knowing I'm quitting immediately after.

>play anniversary
>it's going to be vanilla+bc+wotlk
>server is full
feels good

>>717672267
Basically, classic WoW applies until when most of the people actually played or started played which is WotLK.
This classification gets clearer with the added fact that the next expansion, Cataclysm, revamped the old world, changing a lot of areas, whereas all expansions until then just added new landmasses.

Now some autists might disagree with this and come out calling me a WotLKbaby, it doesn't matter this is what most people understands.

>>717675005
There are external sites players use to track statistics from raiding as dick measuring. These are easily manipulated by Blizzard sending them a bunch of fake data.
Anything in game that would show how few players there are is banned by Blizzard.

>>717671023 (OP)
>The expansion that killed WoW
>Has low player count
Imagine my shock

>>717680657
One is colon cancer and the other one is testicular cancer.

>>717681005
Cata is what killed WoW thougheverbeit.

Bronzebeard is pretty damn fun. Classic with modern client and cool new shit. Tired of the tedious slowness of vanilla classics.

PTR right now but people post invite codes on the general that's how I got mine

https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befc65f-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befc6f1-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
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https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befc9ac-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befca55-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befcaf1-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befcb89-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befcc30-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befd2dc-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befd38a-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66
https://ascension.gg/user/invite/9befd439-72cd-11f0-883f-08c0eb1ebd66

Some of these probably still work

>>717671023 (OP)
Nah, the guy is right. OSRS mixed with whatever else he was saying. WoW will never die. It's not lost any popularity.

>>717671473
the second blizzard made official servers

>>717681179
>50 donation points has been added to your account

>>717671473
Cata dramatically changed the game

>>717678027
That's characters, players likely 1/3 of that.

Almost no one wants to play an MMO that they know is either going to die or lead into garbage like WoD and then die. If they want people to actually care about classic they have to commit to Classic+ for at least 10 years.

>>717681251
I haven't paid anything bro it's a free game
>well PTR right now so you get invited or pay
2-3 months from now it'll officially release

Blows my mind people pay blizzard MONTHLY for inferior to free private servers

>>717678679
That's only if they were not retarded.
They could have each raid tier last 2 weeks and have constant subs but no, better dripfeed them at the speed of when the content had to be made from scratch.

>>717679528
Leveling is the game.

>>717671023 (OP)
I might have played it properly if it came out a month or 2 before 11.2
Then again I got burned out trying to grind 80-90 because of how much a slog it was, then the thought of rep grinding the dailies

>do classic wow because people hated the game past WOTLK
>classic is past WOTLK
>people hate classic
Woow, how could this happen

>>717675626
Nah the quests were all kino. Probably the last time the expansion had good storylines.

>>717680598
>MoP was the pinnacle of the game as far as gameplay goes. WoD started the move toward porting it to mobile devices
how are people still posting this insane cope
every class in MoP plays worse than retail, the only boon is if you think being overpowered is good design (no warrior/tank players, its not)

>>717671023 (OP)
>people ask for classic
>blizzard gives people retail
>"wtf why no one wants this??"

WotLK is peak WoW. Prove. Me. Wrong.

>>717682539
>literally zero (0) good boss fights
dogshit caca expac try again

>>717671023 (OP)
>Blizzard has been hyping numbers
>"LARGEST AMOUNT OF PLAYERS EVER"
>leaves out that they just released WotLK in China
>Classic in the toilet
>Retail is basically kept alive by people who jump in for patch content then leave
>Retail is still doing the "login weekly for rewards :)" shit that is only keeping the hardcore raiders in
>hardcore raiders are rich enough to just buy the best gear
>Casual players dont give a shit anymore
>too much time wasting events and not enough meaningful ones

just make WoW 2 at this point

>>717682697
>Retail is still doing the "login weekly for rewards :)" shit that is only keeping the hardcore raiders in
you mean raid lockouts? those are in classic buddy

>>717681613
Then the game is shit.

only retarded furries think mop was good

everyone else quit as it was a joke of an expansion

>>717682697
WoW 2 is never happening. Just come play retail.

>>717682539
overall it was shit, but it had the best raid in all of wow

Time to move to new world

>>717683705
absolutely nobody good at the game would ever say this

I’m glad (((people))) are realizing just how garbage MoP really was.

All of mop is good and mudmug is my nigga

157,000 players raiding on classic is still more than raiding on xiv unironically

>>717684040
and wrath classic proved how overrated wrath was

>>717684086
Keep in mind probably half of those are alts though, if not more

>>717675462
the community was never good, zoomzoom

>>717684450
it only got really awful in wrath

>>717684126
trvth nvke
2019 also showed how bad vanilla was

>>717684508
>Raids add one more mechanic
>Vanilla boomers starts claiming that the community suddenly got toxic
Hmmm

>>717684026
then they would be wrong, my friend

>>717681179
least retarded elvui setup, what is it with this addon attracting the biggest boomer morons

>>717684040
MoP was based because you had completely broken shit like pre nerf KJs cunning for Warlock that allowed you to cast and move forever. The classic servers are all lame because they just pick the final patch of the expansion and sit on that without any balance changes. Those old WoW xpacs were cool because there were countless balance patches which meant the metas kept changing.

>>717684857
shitter cope

>>717671023 (OP)
Why would someone play Classic if there is a big new patch on retail?

>>717685317
>please please PLEASE just let me be overpowered I cant win if my class is balanced
lmao

>>717671473
Cataclysm.

>>717686186
Cata is the same as wrath and nothing like retail though

>>717682343
The whole point of Classic is to give people a legit way to play old removed content before Cataclysim, Blizzard mistook the word Classic and used it as a branding scheme and started labeling Content post wrath as Classic because thats the branding and to fool retards into another round of a steady downward spiral.

Problem is for them is that people are already aware of their bullshit they should've never go further then LichKing because from there whole Swaths of people start dropping off.

>>717681791
Heart of fear is also a decent raid. That fucking megaman yellow demon looking fuck is insanely fun fight with current gear.

>>717684126
yes. and legion classic will make people realize vanilla and legion were the only good versions of wow

>>717671023 (OP)
>old school runescape
Only poor nerds played runescape back in the day, real losers. Obviously they would never set foot on WoW classic server.

>>717671473
WoD
Although it kind of already is with Celestials

>>717679528
Wotlk is when I stopped giving a shit about raids and just started soloing stuff to get mounts then I quit

>>717671023 (OP)
SoD was killed for this kek

>>717686614
when was legion ever good, the last 6 months after everyone had quit already?

>>717671473
wrath is already closer to legion than to vanilla

>>717671023 (OP)
>Literally who has an inb4 in their twitter post about how WoW is definitely not dead
okay nigger
okie dokie

>>717671023 (OP)
Anything WoW have been dead since the "incident"
I took my 21 lvl 120 chars, pvp rankings, 2900 USD and change spent, over 14 years of playing every day and just left, never to look back

>>717678384
Pandas are better than blood elves

>>717687043
Bro I hate legionchuddies
We literally have a chart that show us the insane drop in playerbase in 7.1 and was never able to recover
Like most people didn't play when legion was good lmao
They are the new wrathbabies

>>717687145
Teldrassil isn't real, unc.

>>717671023 (OP)
>NOOOOO IT'S BECAUSE OF (Other game)!!!
Warcraft is dead let it go.

>>717680693
Shit doesnt make money lul
They made more money during the exodus to xiv than during the peak of wrath
They made more money the year of BfA than during the launch of classic
They probably think if they charge classic players more than $13 a month they might leave forever

>>717671473
When they added WoW Tokens to WotlK Classic

>>717687356
Have they tried making expansions that branch off from Classic? No because they're retarded and thought nobody wanted classic (they did). Pair that with a console release and they'll be raking in money.

>>717687043
yes

>>717680823
>What if we took the old classic map everyone knows and loves and FUCK IT ALL UP?!
>dude wow genius
>so cool!
what were they thinking, unironically?

>>717687696
>They made more money during the exodus to xiv than during the peak of wrath

Because they’re already making a lot of money, why release new expansions for Classic when they can just re-release Classic Classic for the fourth time?
Blizzard loves money. If it ever becomes more profitable than their current model, they’ll probably start making more content for Classic.

>>717671023 (OP)
what made bc/wotlk good was the devs who cared, good zones/raids, and the community.

Blizzard has pandered to woke tards and think they can get that back, with worse devs.

>>717688006
>>What if we took the old classic map everyone knows and loves and FUCK IT ALL UP?!

They changed the original world because their numbers showed they were losing millions of players before they even reached level cap.
They didn’t change the old world just because they’re evil or retarded, they wanted to make the game even more casual friendly than vanilla was at the time.

>>717688393
>Wotlk
>Good

>>717688393
>the devs who cared, good zones/raids
Yeah dude, ToC and reused Naxxra truly show the devs cared about the game
Just kill all classicniggers
You people have zero standards

>>717688607
icecrown was good, every raid was good
>totc
yes, that too, cause the fights were fun/good.

>>717688667
You're so black and retarded
Actual subhuman dogshit brainlet

>>717671023 (OP)
no one likes MoP. it was trash when it was released in 2012, and it's still trash in 2025.

>>717688286
I mean why not? There was clearly an interest in new content as proven by the Phase 1 SoD player numbers and the jump for Kara Crypts/Scarlet Raid which showed someone on the classic team still has an idea of how to make the closest thing to classic content they've made since TBC.

They've already confirmed they're working on something new to do with classic btw, probably just a console release.

>>717675005
I dunno, when I was young during Vanilla/TBC, I did 90% pvp, 9% dungeons, 1% raiding.

>>717688718
ulduar by itself makes WOTLK worth it

trial had fun fights despite not being a "real raid".

>>717688727
nah mop was great

I see a lot of people who got filtered by red circles ITT.

>>717688883
also, ICC was a great raid (ulduar is still better) and the LK fight was great cause defile was the ultimate retard check.

>>717688393
wotlk is bad

>>717671681
yeah pretty much
TOGC is the very start of the enshittifying

>Every year since 2004 some asshole has declared WoW dead.
How many "deaths" has WoW had now? 40? 50? It seems like every other week there is a new Nostradamus doom prophet, making predictions that don't reflect any sort of reality for the game.

>>717688883
>trial had fun fights despite not being a "real raid".
You love slop, every single fight is reused assets
You're just retarded
Wrath without ulduar and icc is dogshit, actual pure shit
And here you are simping for toc, like kill yourself

WoD-gods... it's time to save the game again...

>>717671473
TBC

>>717671023 (OP)
imagine if classic went the osrs route instead of rereleasing old expansions

>>717689076
the fights were fun in toc but it's not a "real raid". ulduar alone makes wotlk worth playing. overall BC is better though. wrath is carried hard by ulduar, and then most of ICC.

>>717686863
Sod was killed by the subhumans playing it. Just like all versions of classic.

Throne of Thunder was better than ICC

>>717671023 (OP)
>The game is not dead chud
>Players just went to play other games

I lol'd hard

>wow is dead this time for real bros
>because grifting streamer scum has hopped to a new game for 2 months
Wow! That has never happened before and they certainly didn't come crawling back to wow later.

>>717671023 (OP)
All the real niggahs just waiting for best expansion, Legion.

Legion is peak world of Warcraft and it was the actually conclusion of the narrative. It’s best expansion to date, the only problems it had were the legendary items that dropped for you sometimes warranted other players to laugh at your bad luck.

>>717671473
wotlk

>>717689610
Classic players seething at the truth, legion is the pinnacle of world of Warcraft. Blizzards last attempt at making real world of Warcraft content before it devolved entirely into new hire think tanks lead by DEI initiatives

>>717671575
I really hope they do move characters over to retail at some point.
I didn't bother to get any rare shit in classic either, but the autistic collector meltdown that's already brewing is gonna be hilarious.

WoW died with the Lich King

>the games not dead
>here are the reasons it's dead

why do zoomers communicate like this? always downplaying, exaggerating and negating their own points, it's never straight forward.

>>717682320
>how are people still posting this
Because it's objectively true.

>>717689791
*Illidan

>>717676572
Me (custom private servers only)

>>717689791
The only thing people fondly enjoy about it was Ulduar and getting rid of ridiculous 40 man raids, ICC wasn’t anywhere near the special it should have been.
Nothing will top the nighthold and the pantheon fight

>>717682808
He means vault

>>717687696
>(they did)
classic is giga dead though

>>717687198
nope

>>717690124
the point is that its not different at all

>>717688634
in wrath nobody gave a shit and was doing coke all day and all the quests are penis jokes and the 12 month droughts began

>>717671473
Cata but it obviously started with Dungeon Finder. Raid Finder and cross-server zones made it "modern" aka putrid shit so Cataclysm.

>>717690008
the wrath raids weren't great ouside of Ulduar but the community still was and Cata introduced shit like LFR

>>717690403
but all cata content is better than sh*tnilla?

>>717676572
i played classic from 2019 to the end of wrath with a bunch of frens, was pretty fun
we all quit after that

>>717690445
I'd rather run Molten Core than Dragon Soul and I'm NOT joking.

>>717688006
To be completely fair those old zones were really outdated in terms of design, they learned a lot with TBC and WotLK. Some had a lot of content, some had like 10 quests that made you run around. There is some nostalgia for that "wow they made fly across all those zones for a single quest!" but for the most part it's just annoying and something you skip when other quests or farming are faster for leveling. They wanted to update everything to be viable for flying mounts too. They overdid some zones, adding too many "cute" pop culture references and self-wanking, that's where a lot of the hate came from, but just the idea of updating the zones to be more modern was ok.

Cata's early pre nerf heroics were great.

>>717671473
Cata

>>717690508
I know you would, because youre scared of mechanics
skill issue

>>717690589
I'd rather have no mechanics at all if the option was DS "mechanics". Next seethe.

>>717690524
cata zones suck ass, it's just hub to hub to hub, linear and soulless

>>717671023 (OP)
suffuh wowfags

>>717686038
Why does Netherstorm look more interesting

>>717671023 (OP)
>No Siege of Orgrimmar
>No Throne of Thunder
>No Timeless Isles
>Most notorious boring daily quest grind in the games history
While MoP gets sucked off a lot it's mostly from people who first played it during later patches. The beginning of MoP is true dogshit and reality is crashing down on all these so called "MoP Enjoyers".

>>717690524
>They overdid some zones, adding too many "cute" pop culture references
There are more references in vanilla than Cata, this is cope
>that's where a lot of the hate came from
No they hate for Cata came from boomers getting hard filtered by the game getting harder. Utter shitters couldnt clear raids anymore and healing was less of a designated girlfriend role
When the game got harder shitters started scapegoating everything else to avoid saying their guild got bodied by magmaw and fell apart, so obviously it was something about westfall questing that was completely irrelevant to anyone who had played before Cata

>>717690543
And as usual, ultra casuals ruined it since they hated how long and difficult they were.
Even as a somewhat casual player at the time, they really weren't, and it was a nice breath of fresh air from the mindless dungeons from wrath.

>>717690696
>I'd rather have no mechanics
I know, shitters like you always do

>>717690589
Memorizing Simon says and expecting a bunch of other people not to make mistakes is not fun. Classic raids work better because they’re low effort laid back games.

>>717691034
Yeah they really need to push content a little harder and quicker, these expansion rereleases need to be a tiny ass timeline no more than a month or two apart. MV is a really boring raid stylistically and mechanically

>>717691126
mastering a boss and your class is fun, actually
if you werent brown you would understand
maybe some phone autobattler is more your speed?

>>717691054
>Utter shitters couldnt clear raids anymore and healing was less of a designated girlfriend role
So they ruined the game. Don’t you understand that most people playing wow had actually hard things going on in their lives, and wow was meant to be fun entertainment? It’s like going to the movies and expecting it to take skills. Nigger wow was always a casual game to enjoy without treating it like it was a second job.
Calling casuals shitters for playing a casual game when half of them had girlfriends and higher paying jobs than you or were studying hard things in college, aren’t you the shitter at life?

>>717691249
Oh wow let me memorize this sequence while I listen to some addon calling me a little girl while a clown sound effect plays, what a great game.
Sweats ruined wow since the first day. They were the minority but they gave wow players a bad name, and then they simply ruined it.

>>717691306
a game having a modicum of depth doesnt ruin it shitter
>It’s like going to the movies and expecting it to take skills
No actually a game is not like a movie you stupid nigger, thats kinda the entire point.

13 year old game is dead? whoa... who would have thought

>>717671473
wotlk

>>717691404
>people who actually like the game enough to learn it are the problem
shitters lmfao
you never liked WoW, you never belonged in WoW

>>717691578
Casual game. The skill ceiling of wow at its hardest isn’t half the skill ceiling of a shooter, rts, fighting game or moba
You brag about skills when it’s got such a ridiculously low skill cap compared to AWPing or playing dota or SC2

>>717689514
ToT and SoO are both better than ICC
MoP has the best overall raids of any expac

>>717671023 (OP)
>Heh, nice try, chud, it's not dead it's just "dead".

>>717691727
The game was literally hated by players from other mmos because it was seen as casual friendly (and it really was)
It was made so that dads could log in for a while, do a few quests and have fun without worrying about being PKd and losing half a level and his best gear

Come to the real home, white man

>>717689610
i'd love an individual progression server that used Legion as a base but really focused on the leveling experience, getting access to the artifacts and class halls a little earlier

>>717691828
WoW is for dads

I'm kind of losing my shit as my raid group is massively regressing. We're normally server top 20 teams. But we are 1/6, our rl has done 0 organization and policing team comp, no one has done any fight research (5-6 pulls into gara jal we legitimately had someone in downstairs team ask "What do the totems do?"), and now I have to ditch warlock to play Rogue because we have 0 rogues and healers are being lazy on hitting raid cds.

I'm frankly considering quiting and apping for my old guild I ditched these guys for 3 phases ago, those guys are 4/6 atleast.

you thought you wanted this but you didn't

>>717691034
we're getting the rest of phase 1 soon
but yeah the start of MoP is bad, everyone already knew this though
at least the daily grind was shorter than I remember, two weeks in and I'm already exalted with Tillers, Shado-Pan, Klaxxi, and GL

>>717691828
being time casual doesnt mean it has to be braindead

Calling it now - Legion Classic will be so popular that Blizzard will be forced to keep evergreen servers of the xpac running indefinitely. The infinite grind is what all WoW players crave.

>Retail players are bored to death of the weekly timegates on power progression. They desperately want something they can grind 24/7 to make their character stronger.
>Classic players want a classic+ so badly that they are going bonkers over a private server that doesn't even function. They are even flocking to OSRS for a game they can keep grinding at.

>>717691917
Why not just play with the group you like the most? Caring about being t20 in a random server is so silly. If you were competing for a spot that was actually impressive maybe, even if it’s still retarded

>>717692135
Legion is slop

>>717671023 (OP)
WoD classic is going to be something else

>>717692135
nobody wants that shit
legion was wildly unpopular for being grindy dogshit, streamers cannot gaslight me to forget how bad it was

>>717691992
i think it launched with nerfed reps and commendations, iirc 5.0 dailies didn't give vp either

>>717692159
>>717692291
4channers don't like Legion which means it's actually good.

>>717692320
it didnt change how fast you got rep as far as I know, but it reduced the rep needed to buy gear across the board, so people could get revered pieces at honored now
They also cut the number of lesser charms needed weekly from 90 to 50, which MoP did in 5.1 or 5.2

>>717692291
time gating, follower missions, and diablo infinite grind!

>>717692151
So it's because that group you could describe as a dad guid and I'm frankly more sweaty than that, I got waay too frustrated at seeing the same person continuously run something to the wrong place and wipe us and see no repercussions. There were also some folks when I left that were absolutely insufferable I was ending raids every week in a screaming rage (not at them just in my house). After I left they did fix a good amount of that, but it's still not great I was watching them reprog Feng last night and several times they would literally say "name run fire to Square" then watch them go the other direction.

You don't enjoy the MMO genre if you don't enjoy an "infinite grind" because that's the very core of the game-play loop. Artifact power was a lazy and temporary way of "implementing" horizontal progression, but everyone wants a reason to keep playing an MMO.

>>717690543
>had to actually use everything your class had to offer like entangling roots and hibernate
>had to actually do a bit of coordination on each pull
>the hardship filtered all the wotlk babbies that just facerolled leaving only actual human beans behind
I was so alive in those few weeks it lasted.
Gods it was refreshing.

>>717692912
>horizontal progression
Just play Guild Wars 2

>>717692978
No thanks to old trannyslop wars 2, I'll play FFXI.

>>717693021
>I'll play final trannyslop FFXI

THE CLASSIC ERA
Classic - TBC - WotLK

TRANSITIONARY GAME BETWEEN ERAS
Cata

THE BORROWED POWER ERA
MoP - WoD - Legion

THE DOGSHIT ERA
BfA - SL - DF

>>717693145
Yup. It's an actual MMO and has exactly 0 trannyshit unlike guildslop 2.

>>717690524
The biggest problem with the Cata revamp is that almost every revamped zone was a "sequel" to itself, but with the original versions permanently removed nobody who just started playing would understand any of the references to the old zones.

>>717693638
The second biggest problem is that they went to the trouble to give every zone a continuous storyline (actually a good move) but then you would always outlevel the zone before you completed it.

>>717693538
ok, now this is epic

>>717675967
Originally it was a two week gap from launch to MSV, then four weeks to HoF, then two weeks to ToES. Also I think you needed to clear normal to unlock heroic, so this release is already less staggered than it was in Retail. As for why, probably to give people the time to level and get their reputations up. Valor gear is more or less obsolete once HoF comes out and if you're leveling slow or playing casually you probably are just now getting to the reputation you need for it.

>>717692912
True
But what do I play instead if I want to play dress up with my friends while following a fantasy story?

>>717692912
>Artifact power was a lazy and temporary way of "implementing" horizontal progression
why do you illiterates never understand the word horizontal
GRINDING TO GET A +1 TO YOUR SKILL OR ARTIFACT TRAIT OR WHATEVER IS VERTICAL PROGRESSION

>>717671023 (OP)
Does WoW remove old raids or something? Couldn't you like ... still do these raids in normal WoW? Why would you pay more to go back to old WoW just to do these again?

>>717671023 (OP)
>Don't worry, the game isn't garbage, it's everyone else's issue!!!!
The absolute state of the cope, holy shit...

>>717690543
No, they weren't. They were massively overtuned. Grim batol was nigh impossible. The second boss had insane unavoidable aoe that most classes couldn't heal through

>>717694453
skill issue

>>717694453
It was both a healer check and a dps check. It was awesome.

>>717690543
The whiplash of going from TBC heroics to Wrath heroics to Cata heroics to MoP heroics would kill a man.

>>717694179
>since it was both, it can't be used as an example of one
zamn.. so this is power of a retard...

>>717671023 (OP)
I really disliked the MoP raids, it also probably doesn't help they have some of the ugliest armor in the entire game.
I did challenge modes in real MoP and almost had zero desire to raid, I was also getting paid around 5 grand a month to boost people with my CM group and CM's had a fixed ilvl so there was just no incentive to switch from that and do boring raids.

>>717678320
you're gonna become my wife, animefag..

>>717691005
It a new location with similar vibe,
https://youtu.be/eH9qQh4CWDk?si=P95PUcc7sGZGn2pN

>>717682697
>just make WoW 2 at this point

God I wish, it would be an amazing shitshow. Just imagine it:
>WoW 2 made by the same people who raped the lore and ruined the characters
>Blizzard shutting down all the WoW retail and Classic servers, believing it would push the existing players onto their new game (don't argue, you know they would do it)
>the addicts who have played the same game for over 20 years have a nuclear meltdown over losing all the stuff they collected (no way would Blizz give them free stuff in WoW 2 to compensate), including the thousands of bucks spent on mounts/boosts
>chink gold sellers everywhere day 3
What made WoW so enjoyable in 2004 is lost for good, the talented/passionate devs left Blizz and the players have become jaded, cynical and just don't engage with each others like they used to.

Everyone is waiting for throne of thunder

>>717682697
>just make WoW 2 at this point
Did you not see what they did to Overwatch 2? Why would you possibly want this

>monkey farm
>mogu farm
why are zoomers incapable of leveling normally, you miss tons of free rep

>>717695298
I wasn't hardcore into WoW by any means for its entire lifespan, but I already feel they did this when they started pushing for resetting item level with every expansion. (I believe it was WoD that did this?) Even my brother who was a hardcore WoW addict stopped caring at that point.

>>717671023 (OP)
>raiding numbers
only faggots are raiding.

>>717695445
Zoomers don't actually like the genre.

>>717671681
I'd say WotLK in general with Ulduar being a flash in the pan, the 5-mans were wack with the only interesting bit being the proto-drake achievement grind since that made things actually not mindless for a moment, the questing was wack with the beginning of the every reward having the same three models trend. TBC still felt like an extension of Vanilla though arena-focused PvP and Blood Elves were also the earliest warning signs.

>>717671151
OSRS is bigger and more popular than its ever been and its classic runescape plus new stuff

>>717671023 (OP)
Because MoP is not classic

>>717671023 (OP)
hey retard the best part of mop was leveling not the endgame content
it was the good times for me
Live audience is not going to leave the live raids just to come play the old panda raids

>>717695660
Resetting item level was one thing, but then they also started resetting your character progression, stripping away skills in class reworks and drip-feeding them back to you through attaching them to the current super gear system of the expansion.

>>717695445
during the original mop i leveled more characters than i have sense then
get stuffed fag
only think ive fully leveled in wow in the last 5 years is a moonkin

>>717671473
10 and 25 man raids.

>>717695445
>grind to max level in one afternoon
>go back and do all the quests at max for easy gold
You're not exactly missing out on any major challenge, they'll go a lot quicker too.

>People want old game
>Gradually make it modern game anyway
Not sure I see the point.

>>717671023 (OP)
How can you even call it classic if they're in fuckin Mists of Pandaria.

>Gnomish Gravity Well
>Goblin Glider
Oh, did you need a mount to fly? Adorable. I'll be shooting your ass out of the air.

>>717694986
>AI
kill yourself pajeet

>>717696643
anon........ mop was 13 years ago.

>>717675241
the only fun thing in wow is exploration and leveling, raiding and dungeons suck ass

>>717696709
>gets BTFO and has no response
I accept your concession, semantics-kun. I'm not writing paragraphs for your retarded ass.

>>717690524
and yet they didn't integrate the BC zones, why?

>>717696891
its not semantics you subhuman streetshitter, words have meanings and horizontal is the opposite of vertical

Artifact power was purely vertical progression. putting your traits in with a different order doesnt make it horitzontal, every trait is a straight upgrade ie VERTICAL PROGRESSION you just have slower or faster vertical progression if you take the good traits last/first

Artifact skins had no ties to artifact power and was the same as literally any cosmetic released since day 1 of WoW

Blow your brains out you punjabi fuck

>>717671023 (OP)
we want chinabux: the addon have failed? again?
are you serious?

>>717671681
Yup, thats when I quit the game and never came back
I was right to do so
I also did not take the Jewish vaccine so you can see I have foresight for tragedy

>>717697606
>reddit spacing non-sequiturs
I will accept your second concession, but it is unnecessary on your part.

>>717671023 (OP)
NuBlizzard is a complete failure.

>>717688006
>company gets taken over by feds and glowniggers
>their first order of business is to destroy the world people like and remake it in their own shitty image
The point was to fuck it all up. Unironically.

>>717671023 (OP)
>recent resurgence of osrs
Nigger, its been having a "resurgence" for longer then these wow rereleases have been a thing. This fags just coping his games dying.

>>717671023 (OP)
I disagree I'm having a good time. I love MoP. Best xpac.

Reminder

>>717698523
true but this is a wow thread
make a xiv thread and I'll doompost there, otherwise fuck off abib

>>717698523
shitskin

People don't understand that TBC was the beginning of the end for WoW.
With the changes to how the game is played, to removing world PvP with flying mounts, to more hardcore instanced content and raidlogging

>>717698690
Flying mounts ruin every game eventually. GW2 finally figured it out with the gryphon but then they went full retard and added the skyscale.

>>717671473
in actuality you're asking when good becomes bad and that's a question only you can answer

>>717696393
It's the same cycle every time. People beg for that old-school feel, devs cave just enough to hook them, then it slowly morphs back into retail garbage under the guise of "QOL enhancements" and "player feedback." They can’t help themselves-they’ve got to modernize until the soul’s gone. Classic was supposed to be a museum, not a test lab for monetization schemes.

>>717698690
One of the best things about vanilla was how there was basically a point to every place on azeroth and even at max you'd still go thru all these old zones. TBC kills that by making azeroth pointless and exist solely to level to get to "current wow", then instead of this massive world you have like 6 small zones which sucks.
Flying not only kills world pvp, but it also kills the normal world. With the more focus on instanced content, theres even less to do in the world so all you do is just fly from the capital to your instance and thats it. At that point you might as well just teleport to your instance like they did in wotlk.

>>717671473
what this anon said >>717671681
but if you wanna be pedantic its cata
Cata killed the old world and it was when wow fully shifted to more brain-dead/mobile type of MMORPG
that shift started in wotlk but was finalized in cata

Classic BFA WW@

>>717698920
yeah skyscale kinda fucked mounts, but the thing is all the other mounts still have a ton of usability, i still use griffon more than skyscale as its 10x faster
but i feel like skyscale should've been a mount thats on a cooldown or had less endurance

why dont they just copy paste ulduar and black temple and just use all their good stuff, since the new devs are shit

>>717697852
>but it is unnecessary on your part.

>>717698690
raidlogging was always part of WoW, TBC was almost perfect though, but you are 100% right about flying mounts, they completely fucked the game with it, even if they REALLY wanted to add it, it should've been something thats is very very cheap and not too useful outside of traversing floating islands on outland, it shouldnt have functioned as it did (like a regular mount but now with access to Z axis)

>>717671023 (OP)
launch WoW was long dead by the time they started doing stupid shit like injecting kung fu panda into the game

>>717699804
>semantics-kun quotes a post with 0 spelling mistakes to say there's a spelling mistake
oof, stop giving everyone second-hand cringe.

>>717671023 (OP)
felt like trying a monk and it was fun, good aoe dps but overall monk dps fucking sucks. pandaland was okay but you can tell that activision came in and raped wow. every class gets "streamlined" (read: homogenized). mana now works just like energy. loot has 0 crossover and 0 fun gimmicks. LUCKY COINS lmao nothing like more gacha in my $15/mo game subscription.

why aren't people playing mop classic? simple answer: timegates. they put a fucking CAP on how much you can farm for gear which is unbelievably retarded. when the game first came out it was stupid but now it's beyond dipshittery. think about it: when the game came out they capped how many valor tokens you can get a week but it took ~5 months for a new big patch. now its ~2.5 months for a new patch but THE WEEKLY CAP IS THE SAME.

if activision doesn't want me to play the game then i wont play it. shot themselves in the fucking foot TWICE, no wonder only sunk cost fags play retail. pic: ambush teleported on my rogue to a mob and fell through the world and died.

>>717700101
>ESL Kun.....

>>717701047
There was no grammar error either lil'bro you're floundering, just close the thread if you're feeling this embarrassed.

point and click browser game chads keep winning

im new someone tell me what the contention is with modern/retail and classic

>>717701370
They're essentially two different games and devs were super resistant for the longest time towards releasing the latter because it's an admittance of the failure of their direction, after release it pretty much became their life support and with all that leeway it afforded them the devs might actually start to come around and make something good (they won't).

>>717688727
You're being too harsh. MoP had its issues but time has proven that it wasn't a bad expansion.

>>717689785
Fuck you, but you're absolutely right. Reddit and the forums will split blood if Blizzard has the balls to do it.

>>717679175
>LFR
What has gone wrong in your life.

>>717688006
This is revisionism, people didn't "love" the old world map when Cataclysm came out.

>>717698690
world pvp still happened with flying mounts and it's not like you don't raidlog in vanilla

>>717693457
>MoP
>WoD
>borrowed power
That was very specifically BFA and Legion

>>717692912
You're a fucking idiot. Infinitely grinding a small pool of content is NOT the same thing as the basis of the MMO genre.

>>717693457
You don't know what borrowed power means.

>>717692912
artifact power was vertical progression dude. do you people even know what you're talking about?

>>717671023 (OP)
Just make WoW 2 already this game is 21 years old

>>717691054
>There are more references in vanilla than Cata
That is flat out incorrect.

>>717701370
one was considered a baby game in 2004
the other is considered a baby game in <current year>

>>717692291
>legion was wildly unpopular
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717671023 (OP)
>Rerelease the original game because people are sick of all the changes that got added in later expansions
>Surprised when people don't play those later expansions

>>717692135
Too much grinding and RNG, Retail has fixed a lot of Legion's issues.

>>717671023 (OP)
Retail Won
Fuck classic

>>717673136
ok who cares about bots, the fact is that the game is growing and healthy, classic is not, that's why all these classic streamers are switching to osrs

>>717705596
underrated post

>>717677579
TRVKE
This anon is speaking the truth

>>717692135
If anything, I'm looking forward to Legion Remix far more than legion classic.
I don't want to go through the bullshit systems from Legions again. Shit that they could have alleviated from the beginning but the folks at Blizzard were pretty fucking vindictive at the time, at least more so than usual.

SOUL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyeZ8khSEC0

>>717706215
Everything after Lich King is cringe and soulless

>tall
>busty
>big ass
>wide hips
>fluffy
>best at cooking
Reminder that female pandas are the best women in Azeroth

>>717706541
>the expansion that copy pasted an entire tier
>not soulless
Wrathbabies are so delusional its unreal

>>717677386
>Just treat the game as a job
That's one of the reasons I quit

>>717704304
>>717704418
The cloak and ring were early iterations of it.

>>717706541
LK was a terrible expansion only lauded because it had Arthas' face on the cover art, and because it was the first time many people raided. It introduced some of the worst designs in the history of the game, the lore sucks, and the fact it gave birth to the name "wrathbabies" is telling enough.

>>717707116
copypasted fucking onyxia too not just naxx

>>717671023 (OP)
people who have already played MoP know that the start of the expansion is the worst time to play it
only people who have no clue are paying to play that shit

>>717704701
absolutely not, it had some zelda/mario references and that's about it, there was outrage in tbc that shat had a paris hilton reference, pop culture wasn't the norm until wrath

>wonder what's up with all the sudden wow doomsissy threads
>Find out ff14 is literally dead, just had a massive flop patch, and the financial report says it lost half of its players and profits
Ah, I understand.
The usual final fantranny sperg meltie

>>717707967
Yeah but in ToT I have to do dark animus so is that really any better?

>>717708308
final trantasy is funnier than fantranny

>>717708342
eh someones probably gonna make a weakaura that automates the fight, even with the randomness

>>717708308
>two mmo's can't be shitting the bed at the same time
>it must be one mmo's fanboys upset about their dying game!

>>717671473
TBC

>>717708446
A WA wont change getting chased by wake or rng swapped

The idea of cata or anything that came after being labelled "classic" is hilarious, just goes to show that the devs STILL have no idea why people wanted vanilla servers in the first place

>>717708738
The """"people"""" that want vanilla are irrelevant
Era is dead, anniversary is dead, SoM was giga dead and SoD died after a month
Vanilla design is abysmal dogshit worse than anything else in WoW and will never be worth pursuing

>>717708802
Sorry fag but the fact that there are 4 spinoff servers and several private servers running the same thing proves you wrong.

Retail is dead and has been since shadowlands. Ain't nobody making private servers for WoD, is there?

>>717708969
>4 spinoff servers
AND THEYRE ALL DEAD
vanillaniggers are the loudest monkeys around but nobody actually plays vanilla
>private servers
Oh boy literal 3rd worlders and GMs selling characters how great
>Retail is dead
Retail is >10x the size of classic, you're retarded
>Nobody making private servers for WoD
There are pservers for every version retard. Firestorm has a WoD server, its just more effort to run than a vanilla server because wod has actual game mechanics they need to fix

I for one cannot wait for '[3 days ago] classic' to drop next month

>>717709384
>Retail is >10x the size of classic, you're retarded
lol
lmao

does anyone even know the name of the current expac?

>>717709950
Oh no did you actually think shitnilla was popular? LOL
Classic is just a boomer containment area, everyone normal is on retail

the solution is to play on the Hardcore Anniversary realms

will definitely regret it soon as i've never really even played before so will probs die in my first dungeon, but there were loads of players at all sorts of levels even in the starting zone, i guess cos people are making new characters more often due to permadeath

>>717710134
theres nothing normal about retail players anon

>>717671023 (OP)
>MoP flopped
Every single classic server flopped
You'd have to be retarded to give acti blizzard money

>>717710235
>trannycore

>>717710235
If it's anything like Turtle HC, they'll thin out immensely by around 30, but by then everyone you meet will have some clue what they're doing.

>>717709384
Retail Classic is the shittiest form of Vanilla available of course it's dead, terrible client and infested with bots and autoreport bullshit, and anyone left still giving Activision money has the brain functions of a 3rd worlder anyhow.

>>717671473
WotLK but specifically the patch where they added dungeon queue killing the entire world and making people afk in cities just waiting for the queue to call them

>>717684086
>xiv out of nowhere
Holy shit, it's been years, anon let go.

>>717710385
Nobody is joining you pserver shill-kun

>>717691836
Based

>>717691836
Remember when all the wow grifters tried to shill GW2, what happened there? LOL

>>717680786
>play private server project epoch
>server launch failure for 3 weeks.
least I got to play during the betas.

>>717671473
at this rate the timelines will converge in 2028

How do WoWtrannies take their game seriously?

>>717671023 (OP)
As everyone knew it would be. Why didn't they just continue SoD? It needs 1 more raid tier to be complete.

>>717711224
>game where you cant actually progress a character because that would make RPtrannies mad
its dogshit

Can't wait for warlords classic

eternal reminder

>while some jaded players might quickly label the game as 'dead,' players preferring to play other games is the more likely culprit behind this outcome
The absolute fucking state of WoW shills.
Always saying the most stupid shit possible to run defense for their game.

>>717710876
That's fine you have a few choices out there doesn't have to be the one I play on they're all better than blizzshit.

>>717711681
Well, most of them are thirdies, and they are trying their best to appear sentient. they need wow to stay alive so they can feed the thirteen kids they've shat out.

>>717711475
QRD?

I was waiting for epoch....

Sorry, blizzcucks
Just chilling outside NA where blizzard's jew lawyers can't get us.

>>717671023 (OP)
>Mists of Pandaria
lmao what the fuck? This isn't even classic anymore.

>wow so dead that blizzcucks unironically move to fucking runescape
kek

If you ever used the word "classic" and "MoP" in the same sentence you lack the IQ to participate in any discussion and shouldn't have the right to live.
Classic ends with wotlk. How do people not get this??

>>717680598
the pinnacle of wow gameplay is right now. stop coping and take off your rose colored glasses

I play retail and no way am I going to invest any time in Classic when a new patch just came out

No one is moving to osrs. It's just streamers and youtubers riding the current trend of "1000 hours spent in osrs as a complete noob, here are my thoughts on the game".

They should have made an Old God faction so that I can play as a Mantid, the coolest race in wow

>>717710425
fun fact about dungeon finder, it was supposed to be included at the start of wrath but they delayed it due to technical issues

>>717678679
that's why i play turtle WoW. their vision of WoW is horizontal expansion - keeping the level cap 60 and filling out the existing azeroth map instead of invalidating every previous bit of content with a new region and another 10 levels

>>717677552
And it became a real pvp game only after wod when they've changed the tickrate to 100 from 2.5

>>717717613
what turtle is doing is still vertical progression. If it has gear and stats it's vertical progression. Horizontal is shit like mounts, moggies, cheevos.

Turtle is just bad vertical progression, where they add mostly redundant shit that doesn't really need to exist. Like an extra dungeon towards leveling is nice but the gear isn't that big of a deal and you're only gonna visit it a few times anyway

>>717677579
Will they ever move on? That's literally stockholm syndrome lmao

>>717717858
there is an extreme number of retards who have no idea what horizontal progression means

brat love

>>717672267
Spells and abilities are different.
Also the playerbase focuses on different part of the world and instanced content.

>>717671023 (OP)
Am I the only person who thinks 150k logs in FUCKING MISTS OF PANDARIA CLASSIC SERVERS is insanely high? Not even everyone who raids logs, and not even everyone who plays raids don't forget

>>717720518
>Not even everyone who raids logs, and not even everyone who plays raids don't forget
neither of these things are true in classic
nobody raids without logs in 2024, and theres literally nothing to do but PvP or raid in any version of wow pre legion

>>717687198
amorphized lardass of a player model

>>717709384
The coping mind of a retoilet tranny after Microsoft spilled the beans and said that WoW has less players than ESO in all platforms combined

>>717671023 (OP)
>mogushan vaults
>hearth of fear
i'll wait for throne of thunder, those two first raid were awful except ToES

>>717721101
complete schizo post

>>717676817
Project Epoch, check it out

>>717671473
Most will say Cata, but Wotlk introduced everything that everyone hates but their rose tinted glasses won't allow them to see that

>>717722897
This. TBC is bad classic+, WotLK is the beginning of retail (although it won't kick in properly until Cata).

>>717691732
You don't even have to go that far. MMOs have a lower skillcap than playing high-difficulty bullet hells.

>>717681613
It was the game, but eventually it became just a long roadblock before the intended relevant content.

Kneel, faggot.

>>717726248
Who?

>>717688006
They were thinking they had to redo it all to allow flying, which would have technical issues with zone connections in addition to everything not having geometry from above.

>>717690524
>outdated
>Best zones are still human starting experience, ie the earliest zones designed.
>The later a zone was designed the worse it got.
They need to unlearn everything.

>>717692853
>people pay Blizzard to induce screaming rage
Yeah that checks out.

>>717692912
Artifact power and legendaries were garbage because they were just partially giving back what we had in MoP.
Grinding should absolutely be a thing.

>>717694179
Megaman perfected horizontal progression in the 80s but now it is lost technology.

>>717671023 (OP)
>MoP Classic
>Classic
Dumbest shit ever. It's not "classic" just because it's old now.

I don't hate mop but why would I play that slop with the retarded classic andies? I'm fine.

>>717694453
I did that regularly but yeah that is the only time in WoW I have seen a healer just nope out and say they couldn't do it with nobody at fault.

>>717727619
Nigga the retards that want horizontal progression are the minority
Even in OSRS the most hype moments are the new leagues
PoE? New lagues
Every other live service slop? Seasonal resets

Also shit is so fucking boring, might as well have no progression just like XIV

>>717727905
XIV survives off of ERP so they just need new clothes and emotes to position into accidental sex poses

>>717727905
That's survivor bias. All the people who hate having their progression destroyed don't play any of those.

>>717674502
I don't know i really liked MoP because the gameplay was still fine.

In my opinion, it's really legion that started turning the game into shit by changing everyone gameplay into something that could come from Diablo 3 : generate fast your special ressources then spend them as fast...

>>717728564
>>717728168
You know what? I take it back.
I wouldn’t really mind horizontal progression, it wouldn’t affect me much and if it keeps progress relevant over the years I don’t really see the problem.

>>717691034
>>Most notorious boring daily quest grind in the games history
What is the Legion Nighthold artifact power grind.
And that one was actually mandatory instead of just giving normal raid quality valor point vendor gear.

>>717729865
Suramar was so fucking bad lmao
Fuck legion was so bad at the start, literally people quitting after dropping the wrong legendary, insane.

>>717671473
the answer used to be Cataclysm, but they made "modern WoW" so much worse that people even got fond of the Cata-WoD era.
Basically it works like this
WoW Vanilla is the base game, and BC and WotLK are its two expansions.
Cata was "WoW 2" and it was a huge downgrade from WoW, this is also when people started asking for Classic servers.
WoW 2 had two expansions as well, MoP and WoD.
Then Legion came out, a.k.a WoW 3, this era was defined by the introduction of Borrowed power replacing new abilities. I haven't really followed the game since this point because it completely lost any semblance of the game it was before.

Interesting note of these three eras, is you can actually see the bad traits of the next era start creeping in partway through the final expansions of WoW 1 and WoW 2.

>>717671473
it already became with cata classic

>>717711373
I could ask the same and just post the entire dawnfail expansion

>>717694514
>>717694728
Wrong.

>>717671023 (OP)
I'm not re-leveling and re-gearing for the hundredth time. Simple as.

>>717732431
I am, but not in mopshit.

>>717676817
Turtle WoW.

>>717734978
funserver shit

>>717734978
lmao

>>717671473
>When does Classic become modern WoW?
Whenever they decide to pretend anything post BFA didn't happen and they just continue from that. SL was fucking ridiculous shit. I sort of understand if you had friends to play it with, but otherwise nope, that was the end of WoW.