Thread 717674174

why are older games so much easier to get immersed in?

>>717674174 (OP)
they aren't, your picture is of a contemporary game, not a top down 2D game

>>717674723
>top down
Those are not immersive

>>717674174 (OP)
>chinaman letters and english letters
Holy tourist trap, Batman.

Partly because you had less of them to play at any given time, so you weren't constantly thinking of the next thing. They were also designed with this in mind. The economy and culture have sped up immensely, and everything is produced with this in mind now. Immersion is inherently slow.

>>717675372
It's bizarre to me how the original is more immersive than the remaster. I don't know if it's shareholders or just lack of talent, but wtf happened to devs having an eye for art?

>>717675717
There's no real barrier of entry anymore. I think the internet plays a large part in that but idk for sure. they just need to start hiring talented artists for games again and keep mediocrity out

>>717674174 (OP)
For a similar reason reading books is more immersive than watching movies, when games couldn't have realistic graphics they relied heavily on stylization, letting your brain do the work and fill in the gaps

>>717674174 (OP)
Shenmue is a standout case just because nothing else has been as detailed in all the small interactions and dialogue. Its game design is immersive, not its graphics.

>>717676332
the way it looks helps the immersion though. its not an either or thing.

>>717674723
>they aren't, your picture is of a contemporary game
Anon, Shenmue 2 came out 24 years ago.

>>717674174 (OP)
I feel like limited resolution and polygon counts made everything look more coherent. Lighting was also much more limited, but this also meant that if the devs have put their time into lighting, that meant they really cared about how something should look. Nowadays there's a ton of games where the visuals clash, all jankiness contasts greatly with detailed models and lighting is more realistic, but not carefully thought out. It's the difference between a carefully composed drawing and a just some random photo you took with your phone.

>>717674174 (OP)
No "quality of life" obsession reducing everything to a checklist.

>>717674174 (OP)
Because in the case of Shenmue 1, the game world feels alive regardless of whether you're in it, the world exists without you. Where NPC's have routines and feel like they actually are living their lives in this world as you are just passing through. They don't just spawn in because you're there too, they are following another script that is independent from yours. This idea is still so advanced that it has rarely been in games since. A few that come to mind that touch on it a little is games like Deadly Premonition and Shadows of Doubt. And perhaps STALKER's A-LIFE system is a different version of said idea, i still don't think RDR2 was anywhere near the same idea. Every NPC you see in Shenmue has a backstory, there is no random NPCs. They all have friends, places to be, and homes to go to. Follow an NPC around for a full day and you'll see this quite clearly.

>>717675717
it was outsourced to a bunch of indians who used AI

Nostalgia

>>717676551
and games still are 3D, there's a reason retro games are only before 6th gen

>>717674174 (OP)
It does take you out of the game when you are playing a game in an urban setting, and felt resemblance to the fantasy game you just played previously because they shared the same UE5 engine, or utilizes the same marketable Nvidia RTX tech or some shit.

>>717677361
i think artstyle has a big part to play too. it seems like modern games all use the same couple art styles and never really experiment. its not like there isnt a bunch of cool artists out there to collaborate with..

>>717676408
idk I feel like immersion lies in the details. shenmue is immersive because its interactions are very detailed for its graphics. if we recreated it with more realistic graphics however, then every bit of awkwardness would be highlighted. but if we took the same design philosophy and used more realistic graphics AND more detailed and natural interactions then the game would actually be more immersive.
Think of it this way: old game - an npc is reading a newspaper which just has a blurry texture; modern game - an npc is reading a newspaper which has a high quality texture, but is just filled with lorem ipsum; future game - an npc is reading a newspaper and there are actual articles which you can also read. Which one is more immersive?

>>717674174 (OP)
it's just Shenmue that was just focused on immersion in a way nobody does today, because zoomers would go absolutely insane if you had to wait around and do side content for an hour in certain spots or having to actually investigate stuff in order to progress with no quest markers to guide them.
Man, Shenmue 2 is still one of the most kino game ever made, it's sad that the series' reputation took such a nosedive thanks to stupid memes from non-gamers and the awful 3rd game.
And maybe you just had to be there at the time. But the anime was released recently and it was good in it's own way.

>>717675248
>>717675308
>>717675372
>>717677017
soul

>>717678389
:)

>>717677361
>>717677598
The huge issue is that games are now meant to just look realistic instead of looking good. It seems like modern devs really don't understand that "realistic" games still need art direction, just like films do. Before, you would see "realistic" games that would still have hand crafted textures, models, skyboxes and so on. Now, a lot of times a tree is just a tree, a sky is just a sky, doesn't matter if you're in a dystopian future or medieval fantasy setting.

>>717677226
>>717674723
shut the fuck up

>>717674174 (OP)
Shen Jue sucks dick. Wasn't even good if you owned it at launch when it was a mindblowing leap from the graphics of N64 and PSX.

Bump

>>717674174 (OP)
One aspect that many modern games can't get right is the soundtrack. Old games often had tracks connected to specific locations which made both more memorable. Music in modern games is much more subtle, so nothing stands out or has any specific mood to it.

>>717674174 (OP)
unironically sovel

>>717681516
Yeah

>>717675085
skill issue

>>717678207
Unfortunately I never played the series, but I really want to try it now. How is Shenmue 1? I think I will play the original games instead of the remaster edition, especially after reading these posts. Are there any useful/necessary mods to use or can I jump right in?

>>717681516
I'd say that comment about modern games only really applies to a lot of AAA games. Indie games tend to still have great and memorable soundtracks.
https://youtu.be/EXZ6MgoZ9MA?list=PLNuuWO3uUJZ0enw1oh-Vo5TQZYpIZinmK

>>717679731
bite me, games have stagnated

>>717683143
jump right in. its a cozy game

>>717684169
Thank you, I will start with that one then!

>>717685257
Have fun :)

>>717679419
reminds me of how uncharted 1 had handpainted textures and looked incredible for the time despite still trying to aim for realism

>>717686387
It didn't look good tho

Because everything is SOULFUL and imperfect, much like the real world.
Sometimes the recreated IRL grime purely by accident, now everything looks to clean.

>>717674174 (OP)
I don't know OP can you add some other component to this post instead of just posting this like it's supposed to be self-evident

Next thing you're going to do is say "Why does this have so much SOUL"

>>717674174 (OP)
They had limits to what they could do which allowed for you to use your imagination to fill in the blanks

>>717689269
>I don't know OP can you add some other component to this post instead of just posting this like it's supposed to be self-evident
Because it is self evident unless you are blind.

>>717674174 (OP)
old games were better, most games after 1998 are really really not good

>>717689596
Man, that's such a great argument that you can use it for literally anything.

I looked at your image. I see eye-bleeding colors the same static Myriad font next to NPCs doing the same static animations in a bustling marketplace with 4 locations total.
It looks like the best game 1998 ever produced and it still looks like crap.

Does "immersion" even mean anything other than "soul" to you?

>>717690165
I never said anything about soul but sure anon.

>>717679181
What game is this? Looks comfy.

>>717690381
Okay sure.
Do you want to explain what this magical word that means so much to you means.

I'm not mad at you or Shenmue 3 or whatever the fuck this is.
I'm tired of these worthless posts. It's literally /r/gaming-tier "This was my childhood" and a picture of Battletoats.

>>717674174 (OP)
Devs 20-30 years ago were extremely detail orientated and looking to push hardware to its absolute limits. Now the only people that get hired now are pajeets who are incapable of doing anything, or leftoids that are more obsessed with shoving their political messaging into whatever they're working on than actually making that thing good.

>>717690510
You don't recognise soul because you don't have one. I know this will be hard for you to accept, but it's true.

>>717690450
Dark cloud 2

>>717690510
>Do you want to explain what this magical word that means so much to you means.
not really because i can already tell you just want to argue and be angry and that seems lke a pointless and draining interaction. it gets very old.

>>717690745
You'd make a great religious zealot.

There's a mystical self-evident thing. It's a huge deal but I can't explain why and the most we know about it is that you need to clasp your hands and kneel on the ground to accomplish whatever it is.

>>717690832
Fuck off. /v/ is 99% threads like this and 1% people trying to pick it apart.

Your thread is a shitpost. Please contribute something else other than a picture of Pokemon Snap and saying "why don't games have SOUL" anymore.

Again it is literally /r/gaming quality. It's 2 steps away from being removed by a mod because it is so vacant.

The graphics were shittier, so your imagination filled in the gaps. Old games relied on theater of the mind.

>>717691353
>Fuck off. /v/ is 99% threads like this and 1% people trying to pick it apart.
>Your thread is a shitpost.
see? just pure anger and accusing me of posting bait or whatever. thats actually the most exhausting thing on this board. threads always devolving into constant shit flinging. always gotta be smarmy and sarcastic about everything. always assuming the absolute worst. does that never get fucking old to you?

>>717674174 (OP)
>what are immersive sims?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpfPP1h0_AY&list=RDlpfPP1h0_AY&start_radio=1

graphics and atmosphere go along way but only as far as the light touches,everything else requires a world that reacts to you and makes you feel like you a a part of it,Yazuka being the closets to OPs picture in modern times.

>>717691723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnTeuKtmfg