why didn't you tell me that the twisted metal show was high kino?

>>717679209 (OP)
how does he go poopoo or peepee?

>>717679209 (OP)
ever since I was a child I've thought axel was an exceptionally stupid design for a game based around car combat. i get what they're going for but within the context of the game and show it is extremely retarded.

>>717679521
your opinion is correct but he still my main

>>717680016
>axel main
disgusting meta pick. thumper is the only acceptable main.

ramming fuckers with Darkside is the best

>>717679209 (OP)
Because the show is /tv/ not /v/ since the game the show was based off was cancelled before the first season came out since Sony couldn't figure out how to turn it into cinematic slop or battlepass live service slop

/v/ only likes to bitch and moan
if there's nothing they can bitch and moan about, they won't """discuss""" it

>>717681423
>a twisted metal game cancelled for concord

How would (You) make a Twisted Metal game successful and fun in the current day and age?

>>717679483
all the PC master race redditors take turns when he needs to piddle. these PC faggots also take turns sucking his 10.5 inch bbc

>>717681458
literally what you're doing right now

>>717681561
?

>>717681509
Unironically yeah, that's what happened, they saw more money with live service slop concord and cancelled anything that wasn't an existing IP or looked like it would make bank. Twisted Metal has always been niche, the last game sold poorly due to bad direction, so they thought Concord would make hand over fist more money than a new Twisted Metal and diverted all funding from all projects that weren't guaranteed money towards Concord

>>717679483
he can get in and out of it

she cute

>>717681585
I suppose a lack of self-awareness is to be expected

>>717681704
?

>>717681671
not according to the lore

Just finished S1.
Literally the worst character in the show.

>>717681719
do it again, monkey

>>717681523
have the cars with guns gameplay into a battle royale where you can walk shoot etc normally

the shows focusing too much on these fuckin bitches. yes the bitches and dollface did exist in twisted metal black or 4 i think but we dont need 2-3 whole episodes centered on them. so far the first season was a lot better even though this one seems to have some higher production values

>>717681774
?

>>717679209 (OP)
Is it actually good
It looked like it had too much talking and gay drama

>>717681545
are consolefags okay?

>>717681663
TM has b
Always been a first party sony games and it sold millions of units which was unheard of in the 90's.

>>717681663
Doesn't make any sense when a TV show was also being made

>>717681751
You need to remember there's multiple versions of the lore. For example, Axel's ending in Twisted Metal 2 has him tearing his arms out of the machine. While 3/4 are of a dubious canon - Axel created metal arms that let him step in and out of the vehicle. It just seems like this version is based on that.

>>717679209 (OP)
Because it's on fucking Peacock.
Who the fuck even is paying for that shit?

>>717681861
first season had barely any twisted metal in it

>>717682025
>paying
oh
he doesn't know

>>717679209 (OP)
Has anyone ever attempt to make that into a real vehicle?

>>717681523
That's probably the "easy" part. The biggest hurdle is convincing execs without turning it into microtransaction slop.

>>717682120
retard

>>717682120
Lame
People should watch Death Race 2050
It's easily the best one of the recent lot

I care so little for this show and TM black is one of my all time favorite games.
Im never watching a second of this crap.

Since the spirits of dead devs writing a letter to sony to release the beta of Black just a funny gag what was the actual reason that game got cancelled?

>>717682229
>release the le beta of the le old slop game we already got!!!!!
why do retarded fags care about this

>>717681423
You'd think a battepass-oriented Twisted Metal game would be a no-brainer. It's a multiplayer-centric franchise based around themed and highly stylized characters who all use the same basic gameplay framework with various tweaks. You could crank out characters and skins like nobody's business.

>>717681872
consoles?

>>717682337
Black 2. My bad :)

>>717682419
Yeah, I don't get it, it's not like you have to worry much about animations or geometry since they're all in cars, and weapons are lock on so you don't have to worry about hitboxes as much, it's just an arena battle game, it wasn't until reboot they added races, which were terrible and non standard boss fights, which were 50/50 terrible and passable

>>717682432
huh? wuh? con... so... lee? what con-so-lee? me confused!

>>717682419
>>717682668
Because it's not a copy and paste genre and requires actual innovation to make car combat relevant today.

>mister slam has a dick so fat he can smash watermellons
Seeing Pizza boy was kinda neat.

>>717683071
It's like, the entire cast of TM3 there, it's all the weird fuckos including DragQueen

I hate Twisted Metal threads because it makes me realize they'll never make a new one again. It's fucking criminal they won't make one. And the last one being on the PS3 where you can pick a driver for any car is retarded. The game was pretty fun though.

>>717681695
How is this allowed?

>>717679521
Games can be retarded its a game. Hyper realism is boring as fuck.

For me, it was Vigilante 8

>>717683672
Same. I like the special move mechanics more. 2 or 3 button press combos per weapon pickup? Ground deformation? That's cool.
I was also an N64bab, so I didn't really have a choice.

twisted sisters, our response?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwrg0db_zY

>>717683672
>>717683882
>V8 2nd offense
>me and buddy put in the first game disc to listen to the music
>"V8 levels unlocked"
This is wizardry.

>>717684130
Holy shit, I didn't even know about that!

>>717684193
You can play all of them with all the second game power ups including flying.

>>717682213
That's because it's not a Black show.

TOTAL . BLACKONDARIES . DEATH

>>717684282
Preacher appears and he even loredumps the demon baby stuff except he's a tweaked out martial artist hottie with a harem of black queens here.

>>717679209 (OP)
>Show is supposed to be about cars shooting each other
>Spend two whole episodes on smelly forest lesbians making fart and dick jokes

>>717681872
no. that's why they make disgusting wojäks to fling at each other

Is the ps3 game worth emulating? I forget if it was mostly single player or not. How does it run on a steam deck?

>>717684401
>Flower power character actually drives a black 18 wheeler
Okay.

>>717684356
Exactly, it's a Twisted Metal®, not Twisted Metal: Black™

>>717679209 (OP)
>show is clearly borderlands inspired
>majority of the characters are from Black, a game that's the exact opposite of Borderlands
>turn Agent Stone, who's whole thing is he's black cop seeking redemption for killing a mother and child out of revenge for tge lynching of his family, into an incompetent racist white cop
>also all the cop characters are incompetent retards
>also almost no car combat in a show based on a car combat game

>>717684282
Preacher, Raven, Dollface, junkyard dog, Sweet Tooth went to the same prison from Black. The show calls back to every universe, hell Outlaw 1 and 2 answer to Outlaw Black who has a very clearly based on black story

>>717684726
>>717684708

>shudder
>peacock
do these two make money? feels like no one ever talks about them

>>717679209 (OP)
Has modern day slavery gone too far?

>>717681695
>....Nice!

>>717681695
Is she Grasshopper?

>>717679521
Agreed but that also made the game so unique. Compare it to Vigilante 8.

>>717685026
I think so, yeah.

>>717685026
original character called mayhem, probably for a twist later where she's revealed to be someone from the game or something

>>717683672
It's unitonicay better than Twisted Metal in terms of gameplay, graphics, and sound, but TM had that really nice dark 2000s energy.

>>717685374
TM1, sure.
The next three sequels went into looney toons territory.

>>717685432
TM1 was very dark, but at least 2 and to an extent 3 was dark. Maybe it was also the PSX graphics that made it look dark and grimy.

>>717679209 (OP)
>why didn't you tell me that the twisted metal show was high kino?
Is it? I tried watching this one or two years ago and it was fucking cringe.

>>717681872
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB NIGGER
THIS IS AN NINTENDO BOARD!

MY DISCORD GROUP RUNS THIS SITE!!!!!

>>717684725
>latest episode is literally car combat.
LMAO

>>717688129
Yeah, after 5 episodes of pointless horse shit and girl boss faggotry

>>717684725
But Agent Stone wasn't incompetent, they portray him as a skilled driver. And you can't really complain about them not portraying a character or tone "accurately" in a franchise where they change constantly, I mean Agent Stone was also a British secret agent for example.

>>717681523
Ask for a big budget, make it just Twisted Metal Black 2, and change my name and face when they realize I made a good game instead of a successful one and send the Yakuza after me.

>>717683404
Sounds like it's time to make your own, then. Who's gonna be the cool motherfucker to bring back 2000s unrionic grimdark edge?

>>717681695
she is very cute, thank fuck she's not a lesbian

Rogue Trip Vacation 2012 show when?

>>717683672
BASS QUAKE

Why not watch the superior not-Twisted Metal show?

>>717682208
is that my nigga Crixus?

>>717679209 (OP)
Yeah, with carefully selected youtube clips showing just the handful of best bits out of the sea of manchild xillenial "humor".

>>717681767
why even invent some vanilla OC with an ass attitude with the same name as a recent Kojima character.

>>717679209 (OP)
Didn't watch the show because I have never played any of the games and I never will

>>717687736
RUINS*

>>717694136
Because she was liked in Brooklyn 99 so they ported her character her, I guess.

>>717694202
OMG?

I liked Blood Drive too

>>717679209 (OP)
Does it has woke shit?

Today I learned there is a fan unity port of Vigilante 8

>>717679209 (OP)
The show only became certified kino in the last ten minutes of S2:E5.

>>717696108
it doesn't if you aren't a loser

>>717683672
Kino... https://youtu.be/twy4vVs0tnU?si=4M_xUPsFefdwDleX

The show is fun, and S2 is better than S1 so far, but they do some characters so dirty in it.
Carl and Jamie are the closest things the early games had to protagonists. Carl is even the canon winner of Twisted Metal 1. And the show just turns them into bumbling evil henchmen.
And then there's the eyebrow raising choices of race swapping Agent Stone and John Doe. If you want Mackie to be the lead, you still can, just fucking have him be Stone and make Doe the S1 villain.

pc "remake"/port of both vigilante games in one, when

>we will never get a v8 , twisted metal, carmageddon, road rash supergame

>>717679209 (OP)
For those who could care less about the protags and their backstory, you can start watching the show at Season 2, Episode 5. From there on, Twisted Metal starts. The episode is spent introducing all the contestants anyway, as well as their rivalries and alliances.

In case you're wondering about the roster:

Game Classics:
>Sweet Tooth - Marcus Kane, along with his paper bag Harold (TM1) and Stu from the Hammerhead duo (TM2)
>Axel - Seems to be based on TM: Head-On, where he had mechanical hands that allowed him to dismount his contraption. Drinks gasoline.
>Mr. Grimm - Not Death himself, but a human that consumes souls... maybe. He might just be schizophrenic. Captain Grimm (TM:4) is name-dropped as his dad.
>Spectre - Chuckie Floop (TM: Head-On)
>Shadow - Raven (TM: Black)
>Hammerhead - Dave and Mike (TM1)
>Brimstone - Preacher(?) and two Holy Men (TM: 2012)
>ATV - Dollface (TM: Black)
>Junkyard Dog - Billy Ray Stillwell (TM: Black)

???:
>Roadkill - John Doe (Certain characterizations are inspired by TM: Black, but he's basically a Show Original)
>Roach Coach - Vermin (Name is taken from TM:2012's exterminator van, vehicle is from TM:4)
>Grasshopper(?) - Mayhem's real name might be Krista Sparks, AKA Grasshopper, but it's too early to tell.
>Death Warrant - Named after the car in TM:2012, otherwise a show original. Bounty hunter with an eyepatch who wears a wig made of his quarry's hair

Show Originals:
>Quiet - Riding with John in Roadkill
>Frostbite - Nordic woman with a snowplow pickup truck
>Knights of Nebraska - Three medieval larpers in a green El Camino mounted with a ballista

Some of the dialogue he has is dumb, but the mix of Samoa Joe's build and body language with Will Arnett's deep voice was perfect casting.
Also Stu is the actual best character of the series.

>>717697939
I don't think the race swapping is egregious here since the characters aren't exactly set in stone, even just between Black and 4 you've got drastically different characters with very different backstories who have the same names. To say nothing of the weird kids version of Twisted Metal.
At least they didn't disrespect or trash the original characters, so far anyway.

>>717698701
Sweet Tooth should have been the protagonist of the show, tbdesu. His side of the story is easily the best part. He just thrives in the apocalypse.

>>717698504
>Roach Coach
Vermin is effectively gender swapped Goggle Eyes, with the wish also being flipped that instead of him wanting a world of no bugs, she wants a world full of bugs

I would give season one a either a 6.5 or 7 out of 10. Which for a show based on Twisted Metal... that is still pretty good. I have yet to see episodes 4,5 and 6 of Season 2. I get the show via Paramount Plus through my Amazon Prime subscription. I did see the first three episodes. It was off to a slow start, with episode 3 being the best one the bunch.

>>717679521
>He chose to suspend his disbelief at the black guy strapped to a pair of giant wheels
>Not the killer clown in an ice cream truck
>Or a skeleton man driving a bike.

>>717681523
Fuck off Randy Bobandy

>>717699026
I'd skip 4 honestly. Depending on how much you care for The Boys' herogasm scene. Also this Thursday only dropped 4 and 5.

>>717699026
Not impressed with Season 2 at all so far and it feels like the writing has gotten worse. Hoping the actual tournament can turn things around.

>>717699276
>Not impressed with Season 2 at all so far and it feels like the writing has gotten worse. Hoping the actual tournament can turn things around.

There were things I really liked with season 1 and things that I didn't like... season 1 lacked a tournament of any kind... but the world building was pretty damn good. I liked the Office Stone aspect with his make shift police force. I feel like this element being dropped from season 2 is a bit of a mistake. I'll watch the entire series while I still have a subscription to Paramount Plus, why not? I didn't think episode 1 was bad... just a slow start. Episode 2 was a bit... whatever. Episode 3 was good, and Axle was a good addition and so was Mr. Grimm. Those are elements I do like. Watching episode 4 now... this thread basically reminded me tat there are new episodes. I had no expectations for season one, I expected to hate it, and I came away actually surprised that I liked a fair chunk of the show. But it still had a few episodes that I could not give a shit about. But that could be said about many TV series. I am curious to see how the Twisted Metal tournament plays out.

>>717698504
Season 1 also had
>Outlaw - Agent Stone (BM: Black version)
>Agent Shepard (Head-On) but he may as well be an OC
>Carl & Jamie Roberts (TM1/TM2)
>Twister - Miranda Watts (Head-On)
>Flower Power - Amanda Rose (TM3)
>Granny Dread (TM3)
>Bloody Mary (Black)
And brief cameos of
>Pizza Boy (TM3)
>Petunia (TM3)
>Pit Viper (TM1)
>there's a guy called Mr. Slam but he's basically an OC and not connected to any of Mr. Slam's drivers in the game

Realistically, the only ones coming back later in S2 are Miranda, Amanda, and Bloody Mary as they appeared on the tournament bracket at the end of S1

>>717693641
Yes, it is! Definitely watch it

>>717679209 (OP)
why the fuck did his dad do it

>>717700232
There's a chance Stone is still alive. I really do hope he returns along with Twister and Flower Power.
Overall the show has been really good at respecting the source material, even including VERY deep-cut references here and there. There are obviously people on the show who care about the games, something which can rarely be said about vidya adaptations.

>>717681671
He literally had to rip his arms off to get out at the end of tm2, dude.

>>717701137
To teach him a lesson. Ten more years on THE WHEELS oughtta set him straight!

if its not 2 or black, dont care

>>717681523
The formula is simple to follow, it just needs budget and time to make it, and not have some corporate suit swinging in to insist it should be Fortnite with cars.

Honestly, at this stage you may as well just soft reboot it by taking the core story back to the beginning to re-establish the world and update the gameplay and graphics to a modern standard. Drop some of the plot points that went nowhere (alien black box), rework the weaker endings in general, adjust characters to be closer to what they became later (namely Sweet Tooth and Calypso), and bring in some popular characters from later versions to kick off their stories earlier.

>>717679209 (OP)
Let me know when the best Driver and Vehicle get in

I want a Mad Max-like Milkman spinoff Twisted Metal game...

>>717679209 (OP)
that nigga gettin tipsy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjuWWvwCzhI
It is literally the perfect wish.

>>717701438
Sadly only the 2012 version of Darkside is in the show. Not like Mr. Ash reflects light anyway.

>>717701438
The vehicle is in, but it's Dollface and her gang of Dolls who have it. And even then she's using the ATV from Head-On in the tournament instead of Darkside.

>>717683672
For me it's 2nd offense
>Lord Slick Clyde and Grubb Dual Loader were my mains

>>717682208
Good taste honestly, this movie is a flick
also the original Deathrace is hilarious when you realize it's David Carradine vs Sylvester Stallone playing a stereotypical gangster woman beater

>>717701765
GAAAAYYYYY

>>717701438
basado

>dollface in the game had a mask/helmet locked onto her head at a young age
>she grew up wearing the mask/helmet always wanting it removed with no way of removing it
>her goal of winning twisted metal was to have the mask/helmet removed
>upon removal of the mask/helmet since it was put on during her growth period it deformed her face/skull making her an ugly freak
>she decides to put back on the mask/helmet and keep wearing it
she was fucking so kino in the game and in the tv series its just a fucking holloween mask and she runs an army of women who wanna stick it to the man, im so fucking mad

>>717693523
>we have twisted metal at home
it's stupid how much more faithfull the off brand is to the supposed original
How the fuck did Slick manage to be a better master of ceremonies than Calypso?

>>717701691
Calypso was so much more accommodating in the first game

Would I like the show if I thought the colorful, non edgelord style of Twisted Metal 2 was pinnacle and Black sucked?

>>717679209 (OP)
Poor lil blk boy forced to watch his wife take multiple BWC…

>>717702243
i have pornbrain fatigue

>>717702206
The show never gets 'Black'-levels of edgy, but it has that "quirky", absurd brand of edge you'd expect from shows these days. It's never depressing or downright disturbing... except for one character's backstory.

>>717698504
>>Knights of Nebraska - Three medieval larpers in a green El Camino mounted with a ballista
Isnt the vehicle and weapon basically Preacher from Black?
Sounds kino for driver design though. The only "larpers" we got were Warthog in all iterations except TM2 and Black. I know others were also military, but they didn't have the larpercore feel.

>>717703014
>Isnt the vehicle and weapon basically Preacher from Black?
Pretty much, which is weird because Brimstone is in the show but as a PT Cruiser lol. At least they gave it the stained glass windows.

>>717688129
>>717688226
>>717684725
>>also almost no car combat in a show based on a car combat game
Honestly how are you going to stretch out action over the course of 45 minutes?

>>717702662
Thanks I'll give a couple episodes a shot

(I don't even remember hearing much about it back in the day, but after buying Head On for PS2 at my local used game store, it actually seems like much of what I missed and like it might not be a bad way to revisit the franchise)

>>717701843
>>717701605
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME BABY!

>>717703576

>>717681663
Sony really is ran by money hungry retards

Here's your new Twisted Metal, bro.

>>717699172
I think it’s more that he should die like immediately because unlike everyone else in cars he has no cover

>>717698701
I'm still not sure why they have Arnett doing voiceover when Samoa Joe's actual voice is fine.

>>717701939
Don't forget the character blurb for Lost that says the mask is starting to crush her skull and make her even more fucked up from the brain damage.

>>717702206
>Black sucked?
KILL

>>717681523
>Succesful
Make it microtransaction slop. It's free to play, but you can buy popular movie, comic, and video game tie-in characters. All the maps have silly gimmicks rather than being competently designed vehicular arenas. Theme park, moon map, undewater, desert, that kind of crap. All the base characters are free, charge for their skins. Sweet tooth can now be any version of sweet tooth if you pay for it. Batman and the bat-mobile are 20 dollars. Gordan Freeman and his buggy are 20 dollars. Crossplay on consoles and PC, potato graphics like fortnite. I wouldn't buy it but I'm sure it would at least be a FOTM streamer game for a couple months.
>Good
Gameplay:
Focus on single-player. Better physics, the Twisted Metals have always had corny arcade physics. It would be an upgrade if they had the physics of GTA 4 mixed with the destructibility of something like SR2. Cars in GTA 4 have weight and momentum, cars in SR2 can lose bumpers, doors, fenders, get a bent frame, have tires go wonky. Bullet holes, rocket impact blasts, crushed hoods, etc. A hub world somewhat like CTR to interconnect the single-player story maps. Upgrade-able/customizable vehicles for every character at a shop in the hubworld. Maps are all designed to be combat arenas first, silly gimmicks second.
Story:
Reboot the entire story with all the characters. I liked Twisted Metal Black being a soft reboot where all the characters were in an asylum, I enjoyed the comedic tone of Twisted Metal 4, but I'd like to see them bring back the paranormal/mysterious ambiguous aspect. Calypso is a guy who made a deal with the devil if not the literal devil, every story-line has a dark genie ending and a moral of the story. Every character is a damned soul with a flaw. The setting should be more like a horror game. Kind of grungy. I would set it in 1980's Los Angeles so all the cars would be cool.

Well, I will give the show credit... season 2 episode 5 really does get to the actual tournament and things do start off promising. I'm not sure how much I like the idea of releasing two episodes at a time to stretch out the subscription for 'first time' season 2 viewers. Especially given that all the episodes have been completed and shown to select people. Oh well.

Though a lot of contestants were massacred at the start. But then again, most of them were lower tier characters.

https://youtu.be/EqQuihD0hoI It's in episode 5

>>717705980
>Better physics, the Twisted Metals have always had corny arcade physics. It would be an upgrade if they had the physics of GTA 4 mixed with the destructibility of something like SR2. Cars in GTA 4 have weight and momentum, cars in SR2 can lose bumpers, doors, fenders, get a bent frame, have tires go wonky. Bullet holes, rocket impact blasts, crushed hoods, etc.
Stopped reading there. The more you make a car combat game actually handle like cars, the worse it is. These games should control basically like mechs. Doom deathmatch on wheels. Visual damage is fine (Black has a LOT of detail for that even, and that awesome 'smoothing itself back into shape' when healing, straight out of Christine) but in proper arena shooter format, you should be just as capable movement and damage wise at 1HP as at 100. The more 'realistic momentum' and control you have, the harder it is to balance weapons, e.g. even without actual predictive tracking, fire and homing missiles become way more spammable if targets can't juke out of the way as easily.

So is the supernatural stuff real in the show, or just people seeing things?

>>717706403
So go play the old ones, we've already had a bunch of games with the physics of battle bots. I want a game where slamming into another car at speed has some oomph to it. I'd rather have it where you had to learn to be a good driver to land hits and every car handles differently then having every car be pic related. How can having a higher skill ceiling be a bad thing?

>>717706615
Mr Grimm collects peoples souls and mimics their voices and Sweet Tooth lights his head on fire when driving. Also Calypso is just Calypso.

>>717706615
>So is the supernatural stuff real in the show, or just people seeing things?

Yeah, I think the show hints at some oculist like things in season 2, episode 1. Calypso has to have a super natural element to him, in order to grant any wish the winner asks for. Mr Grimm is swallowing souls, for real. The show actually does have those elements from the game intact.

>>717706913
>in season 2, episode 1.
does it? i dont remember that?
>Mr Grimm is swallowing souls,
isnt that all in his head?
i hope there is supernatural stuff in the show and its not played as fake.

He still looks bald, bad choice for Calypso but I love his acting in Barry

>>717682682
holy shiet you pc faggots get triggered by everything lol can’t take a joke?

>>717706773
It should feel more a destruction derby with guns. Every hit has an impact and the car reacts, if you get hit with a rocket you have to readjust your steering because it throws you off course.

>>717706773
when's the last time you played TMB? i did not too long ago and the cars absolutely handle differently despite being basically tanks in the shape of cars. the speed difference alone between vehicles is massive and big motherfuckers like manslaughter can almost straight up OHK smaller cars just by ramming them without even needing darkside's dedicated special ram
it isn't realistic handling, but it is varied and skillful. i love simcade racing games (more than TM even) but that isn't how you raise the skill ceiling, it just raises the skill FLOOR by making players fight the controls and handling until they learn them and then they're at the same baseline as the arcade handling model anyway. the ceiling still depends on the same things as doom, ironically: map control, item hoarding, health pickup timers, mashing out special attacks, and projectile weapon prediction

>>717706615
>>717706884
>>717706913
Mr. Grimm might just be a multiple personality schizo imagining the whole "soul consuming" thing because other people don't see the soul, they just see him tonguing the air.

Calypso's only supernatural feat so far is starting the tourney on a solar eclipse. His "granted wish" may just be using his vast resources to make any desire feasible, like curing a braindead companion or blowing up all the insider's walls.

>>717707035
Raven is the only confirmed supernatural character so far, using her GOTH POWERS to freak out everyone when she was a teenager in her flashback.

>>717707192
Pretty sure he's supposed to be bald

I think Sony should hire NetherRealms to make a new Twisted Metal

>>717679209 (OP)
>>717707192
His last line in the show better be
>I am Calypso, and I thank you for playing Twisted Metal.

>>717705980
>I would set it in 1980's Los Angeles so all the cars would be cool.
Black is already very 80s but at the other end, everything is drenched in smog and brown and rust and most of the cars are 60s and 70s shitboxes on their last legs, not brand new Ferraris. I genuinely love that about its car roster, everything is barely held together with rebar and banding wire and combined with the levels and world it feels like it's because everyone is poor and everything has been abused for years in a realistic manner despite the fantasy mechanics. Too many car combat games just take "actual real car" and throw some random bits of armor plating or metal spikes on it because they want to be Mad Max instead.

There's too much bad jokes and sex degenerate in this series, TM was supposed to be brutal and grungy. They ruined a lot of classic character like Preacher and turn him into some sex freak

>>717707035
>does it? i dont remember that?

During the high school graduation flashback in 1998, with Raven and her tarot cards... and her possession... the 'death card' wearing a suit like Calypso...It's like right there at the beginning of the episode.

>>717707870
>zoomer puritan LARPing as a christcuck
Many Such Cases

>>717707337
>it just raises the skill FLOOR by making players fight the controls and handling until they learn them
That's what I want. If you aren't good at driving in the car game you don't get to win. Make the driving have more realistic handling and the game would be way more fun. Tires spinning out, drifting, J-turns. There could be a muscle car that has great torque but poor turning, a rally car that has great torque/turning but is a lightweight, A heavy truck that bullies other smaller cars but doesn't handle well. You'd have to put more thought and effort into it which is good and different people would enjoy and be good at driving different cars. You could even have weather mechanics in different levels that effect the traction. Even Mario Kart does all this to a degree. The more mechanics the better. I hated the downgrade in the physics from GTA4 to 5 personally.
>>717707789
Basically I want a more colorful black with way better physics and a less scientific story-line. Setting it in Los Angeles gives it that bright aesthetic without turning everything into a clown car. If you make all the characters rich Los Angeleno you don't have to worry about making all the cars look like scrap heaps and it can be more shiny like Hot Wheels. Hot Wheels that blow eachother up.
>Too many car combat games just take "actual real car"
That's what I want though. You take a Ferrari and put armor plating on it, a couple of machine gun turrets, a rocket launcher. There's still room for custom vehicles, like Axel or Mr. Grimm's buggy, but in most of the Twisted Metal games each car has a real world equivalent. Pic related is (not) a corvette. It would be cooler if it was a brand new corvette of that era, that you can customize the body modifications of.

>>717682931
>the last good car combat game was mad max
>ten fucking years ago
i dont get why twisted metal ever fell off in the first place, non-racing vehicular combat seems like a no-brainer video game genre that should have a thirty years of history and a hundred different entries by now, but it just doesn't exist

>>717681872
>posts a console game character to cope

>>717708002
>with Raven and her tarot cards... and her possession...
i thought the possession was faked, hence the ketchup packet.

>>717679483
Spin fast enough that it flies away.

>>717680850
>thumper
>not meta
lmao

What was you verdict on this? I think the characters selection was a big let down and the ugly generic fonts...

>>717707557
>all the drivers are ugly women
no thanks

>>717679209 (OP)
Its pretty cool but it does take its liberties. It just isn’t afraid or ashamed of the wackiest parts of the IP like other adaptations.

>>717709319
Gameplay was great, car selection was mostly good despite redundant vehicles, lack of characters was extremely disappointing, tournament mode wasn't very good. I'd still love a port/remaster since trying to emulate it is a bitch.

>>717709443
>like other adaptations.
there were other adaptations of the video games?

The first two episodes of Season 2 had me worried with all the dykey girlboss Dolls shit but things have been good since episode 3. I've even come to not hate Quiet.

>>717708561
So, I get where you're coming from- no casuals in my vidya gaems yadda yadda- but you don't NEED realistic handling to have that. Black has spinouts, drifting, E-brake turns, even 180s into driving in reverse and hitting turbo on top of that to shoot people with weapons that can't be launched backwards like the zoomy/satellite/reticle pickups. You already have all the car archetypes you listed. Specter and Roadkill are batshit to zip around in, Grimm's bike has crazy speed but flips over super easily, Sweet Tooth and Manslaughter are heavy and slow even with turbo but brush off ram attacks and collisions, and Minion has the funky joint in the middle of the truck that makes him feel 'weird' even with the size and speed. They all have different handling styles that feel even more varied due to the naturally exaggerated nature of the arcadey physics; the difference is that the more advanced driving techniques aren't required to sit and play, but add more options to the player once they handle it. It's bunny hopping and rocket jumping, basically. Not necessary, but if you can do them, you end up having a lot more choices on how to handle fights and can stomp on people who can't. The same effect as making it required, but it feels more 'natural' because the game isn't telling you "J-turn over the health platform or die."

That said, I will admit TM's control schemes have always been awkward at best (Black doesn't even let you use stuff like the weapons-for-health swap on Control Freak or Run'n'Gun, IIRC) and actually pulling off some of those moves edges past "cool mechanic" into "carpal tunnel" territory, which I think is a bad thing but that's just me.

>>717709728
>I've even come to not hate Quiet.
Was it the almost nude scenes?

>>717709740
Continued:
>That's what I want though.
I'll agree to disagree here since it's pure personal taste. I'm a TMBfag who loves unironic edgelord shit so obviously mileage may vary, and feel the kind of 'Hot Wheels with guns' look you want was already done better by Vigilante 8 and other games (along with things like more realistic physics, direction-independent aim, etc), since the earlier TMs had such rough graphics that there wasn't really any style to be had period, more "this is 12 polygons that are supposed to be a truck." Great designs, but not great visuals even for the time.
>but in most of the Twisted Metal games each car has a real world equivalent. Pic related is (not) a corvette.
Right, but it's not 1 to 1, Specter alone has like 3 different versions in the cutscenes and renders and overall the whole roster is very stylized, like Yellowjacket's massive fins and chop-top or Sweet Tooth discarding the normal box van for a big postwar, flared fender AWD truck. You see more armor on the heavier cars, less on the light ones, and usually in places you'd expect, e.g. the driver's door, wheel wells, bumpers. Compare that to TM PS3 where the cars are stylized so little they look like Artstation models someone bought and put black aluminum foil over everything except where the driver and engine actually are since they had to deal with players hanging out the windows for "sick" Sixaxis headshots.

>>717709740
>but you don't NEED realistic handling
Okay, so what's the selling feature of this proposed NEW Twisted Metal game? What makes it different from the others in a big way? I personally would like to see way better physics, flashier cars and a return to the spooky storylines. I think the first two would be a natural progression because the technology for it already exists. It would change the game significantly and make it more about driving, less about being a reskin of doom where you play as a car instead of a space marine. Why not just do a remaster of Black with better graphics? That would actually be successful, I'd probably buy that, but it would be disappointing because it's been done before and with modern technology it would be way more awesome to see brand new fancy vehicles tearing each-other apart with explosives than something I've already seen before. I'd rather see burnout with guns than doom with cars for a new game and adding the Twisted Metal story driven horror/thriller experience would be a good fit.

>>717698701
>Also Stu is the actual best character of the series.
Based and doughpilled

>>717710403
>I'd rather see burnout with guns than doom with cars for a new game
you misunderstand twisted metal on a fundamental level, and would be better off working on multiple other existing properties rather than trying to refit an existing one into what you think it should be. as such, i expect sony to hire you within the month. thank you for playing twisted metal

Bros they forgot about the solar eclipse like 2 minutes into the race

>>717710672
Look at what Twisted Metal 1 and 2 were going for, then get back to me. You're the secondary here, bub.

>>717710749
what were they going for, anon? please tell me, every time the series has tried to be more realistic, it's shit. remember spending half of 3 upside down on your ass? you don't want twisted metal, you want V8 Third Strike, and that's cool because V8/SO are great games, but they aren't quite the same as TM and that's fine. flashier cars are also a V8 thing. you want street fighter with wheels instead of mortal kombat with wheels and that's fine but stop insisting it isn't what you want

>>717698271
Worst timeline

>>717698504
>Knights of Nebraska - Three medieval larpers in a green El Camino mounted with a ballista
That sounds fuckin hilarious

>>717710403
>so what's the selling feature of this proposed NEW Twisted Metal game?
Same as the last 17 games and any other number of long running series: new cars/characters, new battlegrounds (or bigger ones, more interactivity...), new mini-stories. Could you sell it for $60 (or 70, or 80, or 100...) today? Probably not. I'm not a guy in a suit so that's fine by me but I understand games have to be hextuple billion dollar affairs now so I dunno, throw in a fuckin battle pass to keep the kids entertained or something.
> I personally would like to see way better physics,
Right, see, we're back to square one: BETTER physics aren't necessarily more REALISTIC physics. Only an idiot would play F-Zero and complain his gold trophies from GT2 don't carry over. Likewise, booting up Mario Kart with Missiles and wanting Burnout is entirely on the fault of the player. The existing physics can be IMPROVED, God knows Black in particular can be really fucking janky to actually play, vehicles clipping into terrain, getting stuck on building corners, etc., which is likely partly due to it just being so friggin' fast, but fixing those bugs doesn't have to come with tearing the whole system out for a racing game. TM PS3 had racing courses. They sucked.
>It would change the game significantly and make it more about driving, less about being a reskin of doom where you play as a car instead of a space marine.
But then it isn't the same game anymore. You could say that a genre of Doom reskins like this has no reason to exist, and that's why it's dead, and you're probably right, but I still don't think it should be retooled into a half-racing smorgasbord that doesn't really know what it wants to be exactly. Side note: I also feel like brand new flashy cars are distinctly opposed to the grimy horror and spookiness you also want, but that's just me.

>>717710929
Why put cars in the game? That's why everyone played it, for the cars. The selling feature of the original twisted metal was demolition derby with guns (and the spooky cutscenes, which were more of just an "oh that's cool" at the time). The only thing the other games have retained was the spooky cutscenes, but they haven't grown much beyond Black. At the time, TM1 didn't deliver what was envisioned because the technology just wasn't there yet, but you could picture how awesome it would be one day when they could make the cars more realistic. The series still hasn't delivered. It's still making PS1 arcade games. How many more PS1 games do you need?
>>717711448
>Same as the last 17 games and any other number of long running series
Okay, turn the series into Call of Duty. Don't grow or progress the gameplay in any way. Play the same game over and over again. Have you tried Fifa? I think you might like it.
My proposal is basically making the game that Twisted Metal 1 was trying to be rather than the arena shooter with cutscenes it became as it stagnated. What sets the series apart is the demolition derby aspect of it, why be so opposed to making it a better demolition derby?
>But then it isn't the same game anymore.
No shit, it's a new and better sequel. An improvement on the formula rather than making the same thing again.
>I also feel like brand new flashy cars are distinctly opposed to the grimy horror and spookiness you also want, but that's just me.
You can totally still tell ghost stories in an extravagant setting, look at the popularity of the fall of the house of usher.

>>717712020
i would buy and play 200 more new ps1 games over a single modern sony sloppa and i am not joking

>>717712020
>Have you tried Fifa? I think you might like it.
I have not. Have you tried any recent shooter that decided to 'branch out' and 'update for a new audience?' They're all abominable trash.
>What sets the series apart is the demolition derby aspect of it, why be so opposed to making it a better demolition derby?
Because they realized the demo derby part rightfully sucks. There's no point to demo derby when you have guns and missiles. Without those, you just have Wreckfest. Play Wreckfest. It's good. WITH those, you have an arena shooter, which is a genre that basically doesn't exist anymore so ironically a straight up Twisted Metal gameplay clone would be MORE unique today. Funny thought: when's the last time there was an actual Doom clone or a Doom-like game at all? Don't give me Doom: 16 Corridors or Doom: Mario Castle Edition, you know what the hell I mean. The very type of game that Twisted Metal is without the wheels attached.
>An improvement on the formula rather than making the same thing again.
But it isn't the same formula, that's the problem I'm trying to point out. It's not a ship of Theseus scenario where every individual part has been updated to a newer standard, it's sidestepping halfway through the process. You're only improving the recipe in your own eyes, and this is verging into >food metaphor territory, but that's what's happening. You're throwing it out and trying to chase a different audience who won't give a fuck about it anyway, and no one would walk away happy because Spy Hunter actually fucking sucks and no one would play an arena-based version of it, but Doom is fun and Racing Games are fun on their own. You might as well be demanding people add racing into MechWarrior.

>>717712172
>single modern sony sloppa
>>717712660
'update for a new audience?'
Did either of you read my initial post?
>>717705980
In which i facetiously gave an example of what modern game execs would bastardize the series into?
I'm not proposing turning it into another MTX fiasco, I'm proposing a fantasy scenario in a fantasy world where people still cared about making better games more than making money. Realistically, the popularity of the name would sell on it's own, so any sequel probably would end up being fortnite with cars. Unless they made it minecraft with cars (that would be hilarious). The popularity of the IP is why you have a TV Series about it taking heavy artistic licenses and people still watch it. I'd like to see the gameplay evolve, rather than keep telling genie stories.
I like the genie stories, they've become a core part of the identity, but I'd just like to see new and improved gameplay. All I'm askin. We've come a long way from PS1 and it would be cool if Twisted Metal came out with an updated game, though I'd rather have nothing than another fortnitecraft with a TM skin.
>>717712660
>demo derby part rightfully sucks.
The last game already proved that the formula has stagnated, it didn't sell well at all. It flopped. The multiplayer arena shooter aspect of it (which was what the last game focused on) is not why people play it.
>But it isn't the same formula,
We have a fundamental disagreement on what the game is. The last game in the series was an arena shooter that flopped. What sells, what the series is known for, is the single player story driven demolition derby with guns and that's what I'd like to see an improved version of. Ironically making it an arena shooter first was a misstep and it's proven by the sales of the last game.

>>717679209 (OP)
What was the point of making a first season that barely had anything to do with Twisted Metal?

>>717713959
World building.
It unironically made me wish a for a new Interstate game.

>>717713647
>what the series is known for
Well, that and the clown with the flaming head.

>>717713647
i know what you actually want gameplay wise. what you want is smuggler's run. and i know this because i, too, want a new smuggler's run.

>>717714461
>smuggler's run
Doesn't look like the cars have machine guns mounted to them, but of all the series suggested to me so far, none of them have nailed the single player story driven demolition derby with guns game. The closest we got was Black, which was a fantastic game. Maybe that's all we're going to get, but it would be cool to see an evolution of Black, where Black was a more realistic (re. gritty Christian bale batman) version of twisted metal, it would be nice to see an even more realistic (physics-wise) version of that game, with perhaps a more appealing aesthetic than the brown/grey color pallet of that era.

>>717709319
While decent from gameplay perspective, it utterly failed to deliver the proper atmosphere.

>>717698701
>HE'S FAT

>>717683672
sorry, small camp here but N64 OST>PSX
https://youtu.be/zTAdXo-qW6c

>>717679209 (OP)
>cancel Twisted Metal game to stillbirth Concord instead
>create successful Twisted Metal TV series
>dont even try to make a lower budget tie in game to coincide with it

Why is Sony so retarded?

>>717679483
Pant.

>>717715928
If Bethesda can’t make a Fallout game to capitalize on their show, I don’t give Sony the credence to do anything with Twisted Metal.