Did you hear anon? Nintendo's new Switch Pro 2 controller is causing injury to some people. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/switch-2-pro-controller-felt-amazing%E2%80%A6-until-it-didn%E2%80%99t.1686781/

Some youtube was first to make it widespreadly known, but among internet denizens, there were already reports of other people having same issue before seeing the video (so it's not somatic, but an actual real issue affecting some people) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B91WhedKOyU&pp=ygUPbmludGVuZG8gaW5qdXJ5

However I will say that the youtuber is probably right, that it has probably do with the new grips, how their extreme angles make you hold the new controller in a weird/less comfortable way or something. I honestly don't know the real cause but he goes more in-depth on it than I do. What's weird is like the guy on neogaf, I never had any issues with Pro 1 controller, it's only this Pro 2 controller that's causing issues. It's a shame cause the new stick gliding is amazing, the more sensitive/accurate stick is nice, but it's all unusable if there's risk of damage to some fine motor muscles or something. I honestly think they should make Pro 2 classic controller or something, so we get the new controller in the design of original Pro 1 controller, that way everyone can enjoy the new controller. As it is i'm currently forced to buy/try out different third party controllers, despite having bought Switch 2 Pro controller on day 1.

Buy 8BitDo Ultimate 2C Bluetooth and call it a day. Gyro is overrated compared to the weight savings you get from riddling it, also hall effect is comfier than TMR so 2C is perfect

>>717686205
I have a 2c, though it's in pink color so it's not street credible

It's just more problems we didn't ask for. They could've stuck to the design of original controller and we wouldn't be in this mess

>>717685745 (OP)
I'm not watching the faggy video. Whats wrong with the controller? I see mine as a full upgrade over the original. I can even use it for 2d games.

>>717687164
you're risking your health

>>717687369
Explain how. That doesn't say or mean anything. I've been using mine since launch

>>717687164
I think the guy on vid is making a case that on pro 1, you have more muscles in relax state, whilst while holding pro 2 controller you have 1-2 different muscle more active state, less relaxed.

It's not only a problem of the youtube guy, because apparently people on that neogaf thread also have this issue. And myself had started facing this issue few days before I stumbled on the youtube vid.

>>717686205
>>717686205
Hmm, that sounds exactly what I, another genuine consumer, am looking for. Where might I purchase this 8BitDo Ultimate 2C Bluetooth with hall effect sticks, my good sir?

>>717687602
they're out of stock in my local stores but I would imagine I could order one from amazon or something, maybe

>>717685745 (OP)
>2025
>still using potentiometers

>>717687595
No that's really dumb. I jump back and forth between handheld and docked and I'm just fine. I find the 2 controller to be comfier to use since it isn't as fat. Maybe its just a hand fat or size issue

I think it may be combination of two things. The angles of the new grip design is far more aggressive than the smooth lines over say 2C or Pro 1 controller, so they're "sinking" into your hand because of their aggressive angles. The grips are also smaller than on 2C or other controllers, the controller overall might be too small according to some neogaf posters

>controller so bad it harms weak tendies
you really cant make this up

>>717687990
>>717687995
Going off the comments here and
>neogaf
Its a bunch of fatso's who can't handle a smaller controller. There's a reason why playstation made the dualsense for large fat hands

>>717688162
is the dualsense big? i thought it was relatively the same size as the xbox controller

>>717688273
lol no

>>717688162
It's the angles, it comes at you too sharply, activating muscles that are at relaxed state when handling other controller. The design of Pro 2 is much more aggressive than the much more relaxed Pro 1. I don't have *that* many controllers but none of my third party controllers have angles as sharp as Switch Pro 2 does

>>717688313
you might be right but i cant really tell

>>717688273
Lol not even close. Its a joke in japan and other asian countries that they molded the dualsense for fat americans and black people. Compare the size to a dualshock 3 and even the 4 which many felt while larger was a good balance.

>>717688364
I hate it when my controller approaches me aggressively.

i haven't held the pro controller 2 yet by my friend that has bitched about a couple of weeks ago. when i was musing about buying a switch 2 recently he flat out told me not to buy the pro controller 2 because it's that bad. i need to hold it for myself first because hand sizes vary but i'm kinda shocked to see more people dislike it other than him.

sounds like you have bitch hands

switch 1 pro controller is basically perfect in terms of form factor and weight. massive fuckup to change it instead of just using the same design. what were even the complaints about the switch 1 pro controller? meh dpad and stick drift? certainly not the comfort or form.

>>717688517
Sometimes I rub my wrists after half an hour of intense gaming, usually helps relax my muscles.
>>717688582
Interesting anecdote, does your friend have much experience?

>>717688582
Go to a store or something. I wasn't going to buy one but I used it at my friends house and liked it

>>717688582
Yes, skip Pro 2 controller, buy either gamesir cyclone or some 8bitdo Ultimate 2 (maybe even new Pro 3), they're all better than Switch Pro 2. Only thing Switch Pro 2 has over those is the ability to wake switch 2 from sleep (which atm, can only be done with switch pro 2), and the gliding sticks (which will eventually be added to third party controllers, some day, soon, maybe, I hope)

>>717688676
How? I like the controller and I even have 2 special edition ones but the two is an improvement in every way. Using both to back I can't stand how fat the original is now.

>>717688273
i have average male hands and the dualsense has never felt too big for me. i think they made it for typical male hands because it fits mine perfectly.

>>717688864
Self concious much huh mr "average male hands"

>>717688804
for me personally at least the permanent back buttons are a big negative. i wish they were removable since i will never use them and they're just a nuisance.

Overall the Steam Deck has much better form factor than the Switch 2. Nintendo didn't test their console enough before greenlighting its final build.

>>717685745 (OP)
Really not taking the sony leaving hardware news well, are we?

>>717688948
people clowning on cavill made me measure mine once and they're like 7.5" long which is average for 5'10".

been using mine since launch, zero issues. get better hands.

>>717688679
>does your friend have much experience?
he used it for about 2 hours and said it made his hands hurt and that the buttons were stiff. he found the joycons more comfortable.

>>717688687
do they still have demo kiosks out at retail stores?

>>717688953
Do you hit them by accident? I think they're placed nicely. I've only really binded them for two games and they never felt intrusive.

>>717685745 (OP)
Basedhands.

>>717689074
You should leave this thread if you're not going to contribute anything of worth.

>>717689120
I'm sorry you have shit genes. You have nothing to contribute.

>>717689047
no i haven't bought the switch 2 pro controller yet and probably won't unless my switch 1 pro controller breaks somehow.

I don't know how much arm rests play into this. Do you now need to have perfect ergo chair with good armrests to avoid getting these issues? Or is it mostly game controller design being bad/unsuitable for your particular hands? I'm too broke for herman miller embody

>>717686205
>Gyro is overrated
Gyro is fucking amazing suck my dick
Xbawks refusing to adopt gyro held console gaming back and I do not say that lightly

>>717689276
Here comes the nintendo defense force, jumping through hoops to justify arbitrary useless features that only bloat price tags.

>>717686205
Gyro kicks ass. Fuck you.

>>717689028
Yeah most stores have controllers and joycons on display

>>717689276
Horizontal aiming with gyro on splatoon is aids. It's only good for vertical aiming, but it's completely un-usable for horizontal, you have to do hybrid aiming where you turn with stick, and aim up and down with gyro

It goes without saying that Wii U's motion controls were 100000x better than this gyro shit, and I didn't even need to play it on Wii U to know, just the headshotting of zombies on RE4 is evidence enough that motion aim is perfect way to game

>>717689385
Once you aim with gyro you cannot go back
Stickfags are retarded
>inb4 mouse
Yes pointer aiming is obviously better but you're not gonna have that in console shooters

>>717689428
neat, i'll have to go check it out myself then.

>>717689467
Which games are you playing with gyro aim?

What sort of weird psyop is this? I've used the controller for hours with no issues and my hands are fucked up as it is.

>>717689385
>Only Nintendofags like gyro
Most retarded post in this thread and that's saying something in a thread about dysgenic failures who can't hold a controller.

The people complaining are probably the same people who can't open a bottle of Onions by themselves.

The joycon 2 digs into my pinky fingers.

It's okay just build a robot that holds the controller for you

>>717689559
Splatoon
TotK
I'm also playing Majora's Mask on 3DS right now and it has gyro aiming too and thank fucking god it does because stick aiming on 3DS is a meme

8bit pro3 pre-orders from website get controller 1 month early, great if you only xbox style and want to experiment with playstation style controller (two sticks side by side)

>>717685745 (OP)
I don't even have a Switch 2 and I think this is a skill issue. How the fuck do you fuck up your hands from just holding a controller? Maybe don't use it like a retard aka don't be like the smelee players who gave themselves carpal tunnel on a perfectly shaped controller.

>>717689998
These types of threads are eye opening for me. So many limp wristed nerds neglect their health and run into these problems. They'll complain about thumb pain when the left stick isn't in their preferred position. Its some real pussy shit.

>>717690191
What health you speak of? Some of these muscle groups are hard to train unless you go to gym and target some specific muscle groups

>>717690386
nigger, just use your hands more.

>>717690523
But isn't that what nerds already do, especially those who use PC and slide their mouse/type on keyboard? What more are you supposed to do with your hands?

Only use Xbox-shaped controllers. The Switch and PS4/PS5 controls aggravate my wrists and feel less ergonomic in general.

>>717688676
Yeah it's really weird. If there were no real issues with Switch 1 pro controller, why did they suddenly make so sharp design that not even the third party controller manufacturers are doing? If it aint broken, why fix it?

>>717690386
Not him but I'm unhealthy as fuck and don't work out, yet I never have these issues.
The word filter is gonna hit me here, but unironically maybe you should stop drinking onions if its making you this weak.

This whole thing reminds me of the Wii wrist syndrome.

>>717691102
I don't think it's that. If more of your muscle groups remain in relaxed state when playing with other controllers, then it quite legitimately seems to be Switch Pro 2 design problem.

>>717685745 (OP)
Nintendo can suck my fat cock, first they kill the dpad on their handheld, then I buy a pro controller for my og switch specifically to play classic games and the diagonals don't function right on the dpad. Dogshit company fuck them to hell

I read the neogaf thread (which only has like 12 unique posters) and it's literally just the neogaf OP bumping his thread multiple times, 70% of the thread making fun of him, and the rest is ESl babble talking about suing Nintendo or talking about 8Bitdo. Same with the comments on the youtube video lmao

>>717691342
Maybe there's some third party controller you can use for better dpad diagonals?

>>717691437
Maybe Nintendo could just sell working products or have the decency to ban 2d games from their stores considering they're antagonistic to players of those games

>>717691518
I heard there's an easy fix for the D-pads using tape.
Why Nintendo didn't fix this for the S2Pro, idk.

>>717691518
truth be told, I don't play that many 2d games, mercenary kings (metal slug clone) is probably only one I play, but if you play ton of 2d games then maybe some retro style controller from 8bitdo collection should be good for you. Just make sure it's "bluetooth" and the product description says it has switch support, cause their "wireless" controllers are meant for PC/Android

>>717691692
They unironically expect people playing official NES roms on their switch to use the analog stick, they're scumbags and retards

>>717691774
buy the snes controller and shut the fuck up you whining faggot

>>717686205
8BitDo Ultimate is just as bad as the Switch Pro. I've used both after going on a controller splurge trying to find the right one, both are too small for large hands, and the near-vertical grips caused aches in my wrists after less than an hour.

>>717691518
Maybe what you need is this

>>717691927
you are one weak, pathetic bitch.

>>717692003
No, I just have large hands. I'm sure you can see how having large hands becomes a problem when your controller is designed for 5'5" asian men.

Most comfy controller I've ever held, already gave gone 16h+ gaming session with it, zero fatigue.

Maybe next time be born without gorilla hands.

>>717691342
The switch 2 pro controller dpad is actually good though

>>717691927
If you game on xbox, maybe that Wired Hyperkin Duke might work for you

>>717692127
Hey, some of us have alien hands with long slender fingers.

>>717691927
Have you tried 8BitDo's Pro series, is that any better?

>>717692110
if your wrists hurt from holding something, then you are a weak nu-male.

>>717692169
It has the exact same issues as the pro1's dpad. It's trash.

Will this be the new king soon?

>>717689559
Splatoon, botw/totk,doom 2016, dk bananza, literaly any game with aiming/shooting retard-kun

>>717691518
>Maybe Nintendo could just sell working products
They do, they just don't enable fat fucks.

>>717685745 (OP)
Is this the hourly "Switch 2 outrage over nothing" thread?

>>717692638
If the gyro aiming in other games is similarly shit than what it's in splatoon, then I don't want anything to do with gyro aiming, lol

>>717686549
That gives it more street cred. I ain't fuckin' with a zesty nigga sporting a pink controller

>filtered only to show switch compatible controllers
>sorted by stick latency on bluetooth mode
GameSir Cyclone 2 is ranking high on this list. https://gamepadla.com/?filtering=spec_platform_switch[yes]
And even if I waited for next year's Ultimate 3, it wouldn't have the Xbox design that these other 3rd parties (like GameSir) do

I kinda want the third party controllers start to implement that same gliding that Switch Pro 2 does, because that's one of the winning features of that controller.

>>717688582
It's good, probably my fav ever. Your friend is a limp-wristed faggot.

>>717688803
Saar, Saar! Do the needful on the purchase of the GameSaar, you fucking guy you.

>>717685745 (OP)
What a faggot

>>717689385
Fuck you nigga, Tendies and Snoys both agree gyro is crucial.

>>717693867

>>717689692
Damn... I replied below with same pic without reading whole thread first. I concede to my superior.

So, what exactly is the issue now?

>>717694401
Blacks, they've ruined America

>>717692480
Anon, you really don't comprehend how much tension is put in your hands when you have to clench your fingers in order to precisely press more than two buttons at the same time, because your thumb is so big it presses two, even three buttons at once otherwise.

>>717692527
No it has a central pivot. Have you tried it? I have an early xenoblade controller and a switch 2 pro controller. The difference is night and day

the way I see it,

>there's gamesaar cyclone 2
>there's gamesaar tarantula pro
>maybe t3s or t3lite, too, if you're feeling collectionist , t3 lite in particular has different look to it
>there's 8bitdo pro 3
>there's 8bitdo ultimate 3 (with some better features/whatever is missing from ultimate 2, maybe the face button swap gimmick from pro3)

I just don't see any room for a Switch Pro controller on this list, it's just not "enticing", it's "too safe", too "standard" type of controller or something, lacks cojones. Would I like to see all of the third party controllers adopting the gliding stick feature? Hell yeah. Would I want to use Switch Pro 2 for that feature? Hell no.

>>717694401
Switch Pro 2 controller is ergonomically unfeasible controller.

>>717694578
>>717692480
*less than two

>>717694613
I don't like cheap chink controllers though

>>717694551
Ramen.

>>717694613
>Switch Pro 2 controller is ergonomically unfeasible controller.
Okay, how?

>>717694989
Limp wristed beta males are too small handed for it.

>>717694989
Some youtuber said so

>>717694578
quit gripping your controller like a fucking ape then.

>>717694989
Because I said so.

I'd just like to say to the fag I said that controller ergonomics have been going to shit since the 360/DS4
FUCK YOU I WAS RIGHT
FUCK YOU I WAS RIGHT
FUCK YOU I WAS RIGHT

>HOW SWITCH CONTROLLER BROKE ME

>>717685745 (OP)
>>717687164
>>717687481
As someone who actually watched the video a fucking MONTH ago when it came out here's the greentext:
>e-celeb's thumb starts twitching
>freaks out and goes to the doctor
>doctor tells him his thumb is tired from playing video games all day
>solution is let thumb rest for a couple weeks
>also gives him a hand brace to make him feel better
>e-celeb makes clickbait video
>don't forget to catch him streaming on twitch, link in the description below!

let's start listing some gimmicks that some controllers have

>>717696627
Yeah but it's a Pro 2 controller specific issue, because he wasn't having this issue with previous controllers, and he also raised fair points on the video, that the thumb is not resting as much while holding Pro 2 controller, than it does when holding Pro 1 controller. The shape of Pro 2 controller digs deeper and it leaves the thumb muscles restless. There are differences to ergonomics to controllers, and there's no more stark difference than the shift in ergonomics from Pro 1 to Pro 2

>>717697349
It has nothing to do with the controller. He's 30 years old and wants to blame his tired nerves on his new controller instead of his aging body.

>>717697536
>a thing that wasn't an issue before, suddenly is an issue
>the entirely different controller shape from its predecessor? yeah that's just a coincidence, no way a controller activating more fine motoric muscles than other controller would cause any problems for you

>>717697349
>because he wasn't having this issue with previous controllers,
It's almost as if it isn't a pro controller specific issue but the pro controller just so happened to be the controller that it happened with.
>that the thumb is not resting as much while holding Pro 2 controller,
That's very, very retarded of you anon. Something like that would apply to just about every controller, especially something like the Dualsense where the layout doesn't fit the shape and you actually have to extend your thumbs more. Unless you're one of those retards who think that you have to hold a controller with your fingertips.

>>717697658
>a thing that wasn't an issue before, suddenly is an issue
Yeah, it's called getting old. It'll happen to you too.

>>717697658
Whoa whoa whoa you literal Nazi, are you implying that we can still use older controllers and make plain observations that they're still comfortable to hold?
That's literal antisemitism.

>>717697658
>entirely different controller shape from its predecessor? yeah that's just a coincidence

Anon, do you genuinely believe the shit you're saying? Or are you just arguing for the sake of hearing your own voice?

>>717693660
Keep in mind that latency on PC isn't equal to latency on Switch. Cyclone 2's still great, but Bluetooth oddly outperforms wired and most controllers in general perform worse than Switch Pro or joycons.

>>717697680
>>717697830
The new pro 2 shape is activating more fine motor muscles that are hard to train, which is causing problems to some people. It's a controller design problem because not all designs have this fault

>>717697945
Pictures does no justice to how entirely different controller pro 2 controller is. You have to hold it in your hands to see those new "extreme" angles that were introduced to it. You can also sort of feel it too when you hold it in your hands, it's to do with the grips.

>>717687595
>faggots on neogaf and youtube can't handle using their muscles.
So it wouldnt be a problem for normal humans.

>>717697945
very quick 10 second test , this area is very sharp on the next controller, it's also made worse because the plastic on pro2 is much stiffer. The more aggressive shape will cause more stress than the original pro 1's smoother shape .. this was a quicky observation I could do just doing scanning with finger. I'm sure you too could do something similar if you have these two controllers, you would know how much different the pro 2 is

>>717692209
I'm sorry to hear about your crystal treatments.

>>717685745 (OP)
You pulled this shit yesterday.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717642047/#717642047

Eat this sage.

Some free gliding stick might be good for VS-likes to avoid stick shaft wear ? Some anon in some thread said that playing VS caused stick shaft to wear out

>>717699821
I would wait a bit longer to see how well the rubber or whatever for the smooth gliding holds on after real usage.

>>717699782
I don't know what you're talking about. It's a legitimate concern because Pro 2, while some of its features are good, is completely unusable ergo wise.

>>717689385
>useless features
objectively almost as good for aiming with a mouse once you get used to it, while having the benefits of not giving you carpal tunnel
it's THAT good

Is this an AI thread?

>>717700487
This thread is ergonomically unviable sir

>>717698467
Ah yes, a random red circle that doesn't correlate with anything.

>>717700487
Let's be honest here, AI is smarter than OP.

there might not be much console warring going anymore

but the battle of game controllers needs to go on

>>717701406
Saturn won, everything since has had shit dpads with the exception of the vita

>>717701760
what about >>717691987 or >>717696648

>>717685745 (OP)
He has little baby hands... I'm short and my hands are bigger than his...

Does anyone know if there's website with roadmap of controllers coming this year..? Is there like "game controller rumors" kind of site?

>>717686205
if anyone's looking for an alternative to the pro controller with gyro, the 8bitdo ultimate 2 (not the ultimate 2c, that one's the budget model iirc) does have it. dunno if said gyro works on pc, but it does work well enough on the switch 2.

>>717686205
>Gyro is overrated
Retard

So to conclude, despite the two controllers being literally the same shape, he's holding the new controller like a retard so that he can hit the back button with the tip of his middle finger, instead of his hand fully wrapped around the handle where the first knuckle rests against the button.

>>717703000
is there big difference between hall effect vs TMR? I currently have wireless 2c taking up a usb hub slot, thinking of upgrading it to either 2c bluetooth (to rid the adapter) or ultimate 2 (for TMR). The pro of either 2c wireless or bluetooth (latter works natively on switch, without having to buy v2 adapter) is they weight a little bit less than normal ultimate I think. It just feels like "hollow" controller, like there's not much stuff inside, which I think means it's either light for its size or that its weight balance is good.

>>717685745 (OP)
>neogaf

Are you fucking for real right now?

>>717703669
Could be worse, could be Resetera

Am I imagining things? Are hall effect sticks actually slightly more comfier for non-FPS gaming than TMR?

>150 replies
>no image of someone holding different controllers shown from front/side/back and explaining what the "ergonomic" issue is with the new one
Imma chalk this up as "guy didn't exercise and is now feeling the consequences"

>>717703620
haven't played on a decent controller in a long time before i bought the ultimate 2, so i don't think i'm qualified enough to answer most of your questions lol.
although i'll say that it is definitely at least a bit heavier - it doesn't feel hollow.

>>717703620
So long as the sticks fit the controller's other specs, there's functionally no difference.
On average you'd get better results blind buying TMR controllers vs hall effect, since the former is newer tech on generally higher spec controllers.

Fuck it, I'm grabbing the stupid SNES controller. Tired of 2D games feeling like shit.

I just noticed cyclone 2 is weird button layout for switch, which might or might not matter depending if it actually operates like that or not, but still slightly annoying even if you don't look at them and it works like bayx. What a shame!

>>717703412
The controller is slightly smaller, maybe he is overusing the back buttons and pushing them all the time, but idk, I love Pro 2 and it feels even better than the first one for me.
>>717703754
I've got bad news...
https://www.resetera.com/threads/switch-2-pro-controller-felt-amazing%E2%80%A6-until-it-didn%E2%80%99t.1256994/

>>717707429
wtf why did same guy create same thread on two different forums... lol

>>717706996
bro... don't support the price increases

>>717706996
did you try any of the 8bitdo counterparts? they might be good if you end up playing on PC later, too

>>717707361
It has strong software customization that saves to onboard memory, and four profiles that I believe can be switched with a button combo. You can make it operate however you want.

>>717709521
not sure if I wanna deal with that lmao. At least their other controller just rotates the buttons and the functionality changes that way

>>717688401
Dualsense is truly the GOAT
Feels so good and truly next gen

>>717692603
>Will this glorified chinkshit with pointless gimmicks be the new king
Yeah probably, we live in clown world

>>717696648
>Can't make sticks symmetrical
A swing and a miss

>>717685745 (OP)
Imagine getting injured by a fucking video game controller, how bitch made do you even need to be?

>>717710675
Symmetrical sticks on that controller would suck anyway, bottom modules are too close together. Sadly a common problem with modular controllers.

>>717685745 (OP)
I have long Yaoi Alien fingers so i have had no problems with any controllers. Not even the Shit 2 pro controller.

>>717710604
the gimmick itself is a little so so (and someone might argue there's another controller that does it better), but the controller itself might play really well, like "robust" moves on sticks/buttons. My only concern is if I want another symmetrical controller, or do I buy assymetrical next. Ironically when I first bought symmetrical I was playing 2d platformer where there could've been some benefit from the layout, but almost immediately after buying first symmetrical I was (coincidentally, ironically enough) playing top down 2d games on a stick, so not really getting the best benefits of symmetrical layout.

Sam Altman will pay for completely ruining the internet