Thread 717695116

Is gaming a serious medium for storytelling?

I want to FUCK White Korra!

>>717695116 (OP)
Damn she kinda bad

I've got a hankerin' in my jankerin', and I'm afraid the only cure is white Korra.

>>717695116 (OP)
Video games can tell stories that wouldn't work/aren't possible in conventional media by leveraging the unique aspects of the medium. That's when video game stories are at their best. Whenever a video game is just telling a normal story via the format of video game it will be mediocre, though.

>>717695226
>>717695494
same

>>717695226
wish granted

>>717695226
based

I get erect every time someone whines about SOtL as if Sergeant Soldier is gonna come out of the screen and tell on you. so far thats 13 years of consistent daily boners because you retards cant help yourselves for one day.

>>717695654
>SOtL
nobody really cares about the game though, we hate the people who called it deep and stuff
it's just easier to insult the game

STOP talking about White Korra!
The subject of the thread is "What if war... was le bad?"

>>717695116 (OP)
I dunno why people think this is shit storytelling. It literally happens in real life with people externalizing blame for their actions because someone told them to do it.

>>717695796
kek also shouldnt matises be smaller? I always thought they were dog sized

>>717695980
Actually Spec Ops The Line is about how glowies are evil

>>717695116 (OP)
>undertale.jpg

>>717695770
bitching is bitching, anon. thanks for spiking my blood pressure.

>>717695537
Thanks, TotalBiscuit

>>717696205
Undertale actually does it under unique circumstances that in the games lore does make you bad. I.e. a second playthrough or specifically only killing a certain character's brother

>>717695116 (OP)
Stop playing it.

>>717695654
How are you supposed to engage with the game's narrative?
>inb4 dont play it
profound

>>717695116 (OP)
>I am literally the character in the game
Tranny

>>717695116 (OP)
I mean he's right, bitch didnt even hesitate

>>717696492
You’re still forced to take a life even when attempting a “pacifist” playthrough because the game needs to have its “GEE, WOULDN’T IT BE NICE IF YOU COULD LOAD YOUR SAVE AND TAKE ANOTHER APPROACH WE NOW UNLOCKED FOR YOU?” moment.

Agree with the comic, first time playing the game I tried to not use the mortars and it was impossible and I was not even aware of the plot twist of the game yet, the moment that the game reveals itself I just turned off and sold my copy on gamestop.

>>717695586
Back to your containment board dog fucker

>>717697032
that's a cat

If we want to talk about this unironically then I agree the "message" of Spec Ops The Line was a miss. But I still like the game because it's a retelling of Heart of Darkness and I like both that story and Apocalypse Now, and there are some kino elements to the game like how it feels like a psychological horror take on war and how there's a bunch of details and foreshadowings that you can easily miss the first time
I wish the developers went harder on the aspect of Walker and his squad breaking under the pressure and losing grip with reality as PTSD sets in, I unironically want a horror game where you play as a soldier dealing with some heavy war trauma like being a shellshocken soldier lost alone i the jungle during the vietnam war
Anyways I think Brigador actually did a way better job at providing "commentary" about war "collateral damage" and warcrimes
One moment you're just stomping around in your mech gunning down everything that moves, the next it gets quiet and you realize you were crushing innocent civilians, using residential buildings as cover, crushing suburban houses and firing piercing shells right through apartment blocks
And the game doesn't poke you and demand you to feel bad, YOU have to realize how you became numb to all this destruction you cause without a second thought
There was actually a discussion on the game's steam page where devs talkes about this in detail and provided inspirations, it was pretty interesting

>>717696741
I am. I kind of ignored the message though. It's a solid 3P shooter.

>>717696810
Never knew that i just stopped playing after finishing.

>>717695116 (OP)
Critical Miss actually had pretty funny commentary about gaming.
Erin being super fuckable was a nice bonus too.
I critically miss it.

i don't think people who willingly commit unspeakable atrocities should qualify for a ptsd diagnosis. that's reserved for your victims. you just have guilt and should kill yourself.

>>717695116 (OP)
Yeah and when it's done right it's basically the best medium for doing so. Even in a linear game where the player's choices don't change the story at all, the gameplay still enhances the story aspects (assuming both are good, at least). Like, it's one thing for characters to say that an antagonist is powerful and deadly, and then show the protagonist having a life or death battle with them. It's another thing to fight that antagonist yourself, get game over'd a bunch of times by him, and finally win with the force of your own skill and perseverance. Generally the latter is just going to have more impact by default.

>>717695226
this

>>717695116 (OP)
spec ops was dumb but as presented in this comic, yes blindly following orders without question and committing war crimes is bad

Games are toys. Their modularity and player agency erase any potential for higher narrative the author may intend.
Books, movies, anime, put the narrative solely in the creators hands. Every story beat and action has deliberate intent. When you let the player intrude upon the plot you get shit like Niko mowing down dozens of civilians but agonizing over every single kill in the missions.

>>717695116 (OP)
Something like Undertale is more fitting, but it still fails by rewarding the player with the 'secret' bossfight at the end of it. To truly have it have real meaning, it would need to be slaughter for the sake of slaughter with no particular reward. Just experiencing it just because you can.

>>717696556
like flies to a strip

>>717698295
arkham series did a great job showing joker going insane then batman going insane. this wouldnt have been possible to be depicted as good as it was in a traditional movie

>>717698295
>Books, movies, anime, put the narrative solely in the creators hands
Wrong. Death of the author.
Just because an author is trying to tell a certain story does not necessarily mean they will succeed.
If the author says
>What I meant is..
The audience has every right to go
>Uh huh, but what you actually said is..

>>717698571
Most of the genocide route was like that, the only decent content in it were the literal two boss fights rest is just a slog.

>>717698758
postmodern cope

>>717695116 (OP)
pretty embarrassing to misunderstand a story so utterly

>>717697824
The problem is Spec Ops gives the players no tools or options to play differently. If there were chances to avoid this but the players all acted like it was call of duty. It might have a point to make. But it dossnt so its dumb

>>717698726
Dont go their The Dark Night is one of the greatest movies of all time
>>717698758
What? Idk if im reading your shit right but bing bing wahoo overs far less authorial direction than movies or anime, no matter how much some retard decides to ignore the intent.

>>717695116 (OP)
I think the only game I've played where it felt like it was a story that only could be told through gaming was Pathologic

>>717697824
>>717699073
During beta testing, you were given a choice to use the white phosporus or not. When all the beta testers chose not to, they just went and removed the choice. BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LE EVIL, GET IT?

>>717695116 (OP)
>Is gaming a serious medium for storytelling?

Like all medium, it can be serious if they want it to be. It ain't any different than a book, tv show, movie or comics.

>>717699572
You got it wrong, the choice was to turn back at the beginning of the game

>>717695116 (OP)
The problem with spec ops the line was that everyone that made it was retarded.
The game gives you no choice at all about what you going to do and then better at you for the choices it made you do.
It's like the devs were you stupid properly develop a system where evil where players would naturally gravitate towards the evil choices

>>717695116 (OP)
there's almost nothing a story can do nowadays to surprise, we've seen everything in terms of concept, creativity, subverting expectations, so in their attempt to engage the player, or spectator, games and shows appeal to emotion, guilt trip you, or appeal to politics.
Personally, I think this is an invitation to consumers to reflect on what they truly enjoy, sometimes a predictable, but well told story is preferable, or in the case of games, no story at all may also be enjoyable, a return to form if you will, to the times when you could press start and play a game without care for the context, like doom

>>717700107
>The game gives you no choice at all about what you going to do and then better at you for the choices it made you do.
We go through this in every fucking thread, no anon, you aren't Walker
>"But the loading screen called me mean!"
And other loading screens call you a good person and the game refers to you as a Special Guest at the end

>>717700556
>We go through this in every fucking thread, no anon, you aren't Walker
Okay
>The game gives you no choice at all about what Walker is going to do and then berates Walker for the choices it made him do.
>And other loading screens call you a good person and the game refers to you as a Special Guest at the end
The creator himself said his point was about the player feeling bad.

>>717695116 (OP)
Why has the comprehension of the concept of "role-playing" diminished so much among the general population? I didn't feel personally offended at all when I played SO:TL.

>>717695116 (OP)
All these years later and people still think of Walker as some blank player avatar rather than his own character. How many 4th wall breaking loading screens do they need to get the point across? It's like watching a movie while constantly yelling at the screen and then getting upset the character didn't listen.

>>717695226
Every time

>>717697824
>and committing war crimes is bad
Only a war crime if you lose desu. Otherwise it's open season.

>>717701941
>rather than his own character.
If he's his own character why does he need me to do everything for him?

>>717702405
this kills the spec ops fag

>>717700107
>The game gives you no choice at all
I never understood this complaint. Like yeah no shit the game doesn't give you a choice to just skip the whole fucking inciting incident for walker getting completely whacked out. There isn't an option to just piss off upon contact and report back to your superiors because the story isn't about people making good and sensible decisions under stress. That would be boring.

>>717699314
>bing bing wahoo overs far less authorial direction than movies or anime
So? If told well it's still compelling.

>>717702405
Wouldn't be much of a game without gameplay.

>>717703956
The issue is that the game treats as if (You) are a bad person for it.
If the game was so committed to telling that story to the point of not giving you any choice, why make the morality of it a big deal?
Lugo literally says "there's always a choice" during the infamous scene.
The game clearly has meta commentary, but whenever someone point out how it's retarded meta commentary, people pretend it's not there

evil needs to exist for goodness to mean anything, I supposed opposite is true as well. If you're not given the opportunity to be good than being evil doesn't really feel bad.

>>717704287
So I guess he's really not his own character.

>>717704362
On multiple loading screens they say it's just a game, your not at fault for anything. Very patronizing but on the nose.

>>717704658
Self-inserting is a dangerous drug.

>>717704362
>The issue is that the game treats as if (You) are a bad person for it.
All of the comments the game makes are directly about walker, the meta commentary is about how it can apply to the player and military shooters in general, and I really don't see the point in getting offended by it. I very much don't see the point in asking for a choice for the story to be an entirely different one. Would a boring 10 second ending of them turning around and walking off really make the game that much more engaging?

>>717704362
it's just some 4th wall breaking to make the whole thing feel crazier. whether it worked or fell flat doesn't matter. how is this hard to understand at all

>>717695574
>>717695645
>>717695720
moar

>>717695116 (OP)
Who fucking cares? All of you niggers are so egotistical and pretentious I swear.

>>717705476
Watch the N-bombs bro this is a blue board
Last warning

>>717705553
Nigger

>>717695770
>>717695654
>>717696184
>>717697824
>>717698571
>>717700107
>The game literally says you're a special guest in Walker's story
>The "do you feel like a hero yet?" is a quote from Konrad to Walker so the loading screen is just a quote.
>/v/ seethes eternally because a dev said something after the game came out

>>717705006
I mean I tried letting Walker paly himself but he wouldn't shoot or do anything, the game forced me to self insert.
>>717705027
The issue is that without choice the commentary is stupid.
>>717705134
It fell flat is my point

>>717700856
>The creator himself said his point was about the player feeling bad.
Wanting you to feel bad =/= Blaming you

>>717697112
You might like Conscription, it's a top down resident evil like game where you're a private in ww1 and there's a fair degree of PTSD towards the end

>>717706124
You're in as much control of Walker as turning the pages on the Bible gives you control over God's action. The story is told, you're just riding along to see it through. Like the other anon says the game even calls (You) a guest in the opening credits.

>>717706394
>You're in as much control of Walker as turning the pages on the Bible gives you control over God's action
Except that God has already done everything and it's written down; Walker has done nothing until I do it.

>>717706750
Do you think the game is being programmed in real time?

>>717706882
It's programmed to react in real time.

>>717706948
And yet everything he says and does is already there, all written down in ones and zeroes.

>>717707010
But it doesn't happen until I will it so

>>717707125
So does reading a book.

>>717695116 (OP)
i can be serious but movie games should never be made

>>717707257
Not at all.
A book can be read to you without your input.
No game can be played by you without your personal effort.

>>717695226
fippybippy

>>717707340
Than you're not reading a book anymore than watching a youtube video is playing the game.

>>717707449
But watching a video means someone else is playing.
Reading a book is passive, the point is taking the content.
Playing a game is active, the point is participating.
They're different experiences. Someone that has a book read to them has the same experience of an audiobook, someone playing is different than watching someone play

>>717707584
And having someone read you a book means someone else read it. Playing a game requires your participation. Reading a book requires your participation. The page doesn't turn until you want it to. Listening is passive. Watching a movie is passive. Watching someone else play a game is passive. Listening to someone read a book out loud is passive.

>>717707858
>And having someone read you a book means someone else read it
But imparted upon you all the content. Nothing is missing.
Watching someone playing a video game means you miss on the gameplay

>>717695116 (OP)
>any game asks the player to think about their relationship with video games
>90% of then clarify it is just a game and/or you're not a protagonist and you shouldn't feel bad
>people get mad and take it as a personal attack or try to pin their guilt on another character if applicable
Why is this mentality so common?

>>717695116 (OP)
I don't understand, what's the problem with that game?

>>717695116 (OP)
The comics dumb, she unironically is a bad person because she executed a helpless unconscious person just because she was "just following orders".

>>717695980
>redditsawman

>>717695980
lol

>>717707924
Missing the experience of actually reading.
And to get back on track, the story has already been told even if you never read, listen, watch or play the content.
Even further back on track, when you read a book, you're not the characters even though you need to turn the page. You're not Walker even if he won't move without your input. Video game characters more often than not make decisions without your input since no game could ever account for every possible action a player takes, you're just along for the fun bits.

>>717707340
>No game can be played by you without your personal effort.
Kirby slop is played by millions without effort.
also streaming and co-op exist, retard

>>717708585
what the fuck is this green pile of tits

>>717708606
Saved for the next Spec Ops seethe thread.
Thanks.

>>717708606
>Missing the experience of actually reading.
But that doesn't miss any of the content of the book.
>>717708689
>Kirby slop is played by millions without effort.
Show proof of someone playing it without effort
>also streaming and co-op exist
Learn2read

>>717705957
*bang!*

>>717708789
>show proof of someone playing it without effort.
look up:
Kirby gameplay youtube

>>717708585
god i want to fuck that

>>717696810
No you don't? What are you talking about.

>>717708765
>incapable of original thought
>just copy some pseud's take
yea thats a spec ops fan alright

>>717695116 (OP)
No, of course not. You'd be a fool to think so.

>>717708606
That was a kino book btw

>>717708826
You don't seem to know what effort means.

>>717707340
>No game can be played by you without your personal effort.
Claude is playing Pokemon right now

>>717708606
>Video game characters more often than not make decisions without your input since no game could ever account for every possible action a player takes
>Press X to massacre an entire village of innocents!
Required for progression btw

>>717708931
>Incapable of separating himself from the protagonist
>Seethes like a retard for years and hops on thread to demonstrate his stupidity
Checks out
on the same level of cope as OoT fags when they claim OoT had no breakable weapons
(OoT isn't real zelda anyway, the series started being dogshit with that game)
Don't even get me started on Chrono Trigger overraters

>>717695116 (OP)
>literally the only way to win in this game is unironically refunding it
bravo vince
games are truly art

>>717708789
>But that doesn't miss any of the content of the book.
By that logic neither does watching someone else play a game. After all all the systems are predetermined. Whether you personally would've walked a bit further to the right during this section is irreverent, same content, right?

>>717709075
I don't know shit about zelda cause im not a tranny.
Walker is a bitch ass fag and doesn't act like any reasonable man would.

>>717709045
Wow anon, you really massacred them?
One would think the game has an ingame character do it for you
unless you're playing some dogshit like undertale

>>717709165
I want to PLAY a GAME
Guess I should've uninstalled it instead because that totally ties up the story in a not-retarded way. So meta! So intelligent!

>>717709252
>I want to PLAY a GAME
then stop being a fucking pussy when videogame shit happens

>>717709316
I'm a pussy because I said "this is absurd garbage"? Video game shit never happens btw it plays like an AI generated cover shooter. You've got a movie game written by a high schooler disguised as a gears clone. Trash!

>>717695116 (OP)
Yes but only like 5 games have been able to use it in any meaningful capacity

>>717707948
Jaeger very clearly didn’t say, “it’s just a game” they went with the more avant garde take of “you’re just as bad as the character in the game” approach.

>>717706216
That doesn't work when the way it makes you feel bad is by blaming you.

>>717704287
Sounds like they should have just made it a movie, then.

>>717695116 (OP)
I'm convinced spec ops is a litmus test for people. It was a making a statement about the 10 million military shooters of the time and how desensitising the whole thing was and a bunch of people think it's just trying to say fuck you for enjoying them, which it wasn't. I played spec ops a retarded 14 year old and understood this point easily. Idk why it's so hard for people that they have to just make shit up about it when they look back

>>717709425
>This anon claps whenever the next japanese samurai slop comes out where you kill millions singlehanded
>Guns and war killing people tho? NEVER HAPPENS

>>717695226
Good.. because brown Korra is MINE!

>>717704287
>>717709630
Being a moviegame with mediocre gameplay clearly worked out for Chrono Trigger tho?
Also with the Last of Us and Rockstar slop?

>>717709651
>Play Civilization 5
>build a granary
>build a library
>build a settler
>found a new city
...
>PRESS X TO MURDER 6 BILLION JEWS
>"You're evil!" Screen pops up
Required for progression btw.
It's manipulative and low effort. Only among 90 IQ man children desperate to validate their toys as high art take a storytelling "technique" like that seriously.

>>717709864
>Required for progression btw
God I wish that actually happened
Maybe the jews wouldn't be in control if that was true.
>BUT THE GAME CALLED ME EVIL
So?
Are you gonna be a bitch and whine about it?
just hit next and continue playing lmao

>>717695116 (OP)
Yes but 90% of devs are shit at it. They think cutscenes make for good stories instead of taking advantage or the interactive nature of the medium

>>717709978
>God I wish that actually happened
>Maybe the jews wouldn't be in control if that was true.
Same, it's a game though. You can separate the game from reality can't you?
For a game that rests entirely on its narrative it's incredibly weak amateur shit.

>>717708756
Literally just type in "titty cactus".

>>717695116 (OP)
>Are books a serious medium for storytelling?
>Are movies a serious medium for storytelling?
>Are comic books a serious medium for storytelling?

>>717709572
We've been through this already, the game blames Walker, not you, for fucks sake, Walker is the one that hallucinates constantly about that event, even fucking Konrad the illusion blames Walker directly into his face

>>717710093
Same as always
The same could be said about other acclaimed videogames that never get shit on like Chrono Trigger
FF7
The Last of Us
Kid Icarus Uprising
Kirby (Because god knows people aren't in it for the fucking gameplay)
But people decide to gang up on spec ops because they aren't evil lmao

>>717710409
>>717710093
Also forgot Toby fox slop, FNAF and whatever ARG theorybait shit is popular now

>>717710324
(you) control walker
(you) made him do le bad!

>>717710093
>For a game that rests entirely on its narrative it's incredibly weak amateur shit.
Zanzibart... my combat system... is just a worse Monster Hunter...

>>717710148
damn I wish women were real

>>717710409
I haven't played a single one of those games. Point is games are not art. The only games that have anything exclusive to offer via traits unique to the medium are all gameplay. Like Doom, CS, or fromsoft titles.
Afaik TLOU and FF7 are pseud shit too. Nobody holds that in the same regard as spec ops tho, and that one ive actually played and approached from a narrative-focused perspective

>>717695116 (OP)
Yes but not in the "play video game and then you get a cutscene" way like Spec Ops the line

>>717710575
The game also opens with, "with special guest starring (you) the player." The game openly acknowledges it's being played and will often make little shots at you during loading screens. Much of Konrads later dialogue isn't just focused on Walker but also the player. Even Walkers own dialogue as well. When his subordinate protests saying there has to be a different way past the fortified position without using the WP mortar, he says there isn't. That's also to the player who would be considering a different option as well. It can't happen though, because the plot NEEDS it to happen, otherwise everything that happens afterwards wouldn't make sense.

>>717710324
>the game blames Walker, not you, for fucks sake
>>717710898
>" The game openly acknowledges it's being played and will often make little shots at you during loading screens

>>717709708
>using a video essay from some literally who as proof

>>717710746
>Nobody holds TLOU and FF7 in the same regard as Spec Ops tho
Lmao what is this cope shit
TLOu and FF7 are the 3rd and 4th most overrated games of all time
Spec Ops is just a title that bombed.

>>717709645
If that's true, why would they need to take away the option to NOT do the thing?

>>717711047
this better for you?
got 2 more

>>717711113
>The entire story is about walker fucking up and doing dumb shit while coping
>JUST GIVE ME OPTION TO NEVER DO ANY OF THAT
So what happens?
They get overwhelmed by soldiers and die?
You can do that ingame

>>717711113
>If that's true
it IS fucking true
"We don't want them to feel a specific thing. It's not designed to make you feel bad. The goal that we had going in was that you would just feel something" - Walt Williams, lead writer on Spec Ops

>>717711089
Among normgroids yes. All because they were marketed better and at least TLOU has good gameplay.
Talmbout the cream of the crop, the "tastemakers" over at /v/. Spec ops narrative and how they tell it are extremely sloppy and not suited to the medium at all.
>>717711175
Only a child or a weeb would take some JRPG from the 80s as a monument to anything. I've never heard of the game and already know how it starts and finishes.

>>717695116 (OP)
It can be but it's a bit of wasted potential imhdesu
also fags who cant comprehend it being anything more than just a storytelling medium are middest of wits

>>717711309
>TLOU has good gameplay
Oh nonononoo anon, not like this.

>>717695226
also based

>>717711309
(samefag and final post)
Point being, with just because boomers and weebs overrate some mid like Chrono Trigger doesn't mean you should overrate flop ops the line
>>717711424
I've played Tlou2 at a friends house and it was snappy brutal and fun.

>>717711241
The part where the game is a subversion, so gives you false choices throughout the playthrough. It sets up the idea that you could potentially make a different choice, only to pull the rug out from under you each time it does. You can't save the CIA agent the 33rd capture, it doesn't matter if you kill the water thief or the soldier, and you can't not use the mortar on the civvies. Paradoxically the only 2 choices that matter are if you decide to gun down the mob that hung Lugo or if you chose to have Walker shoot himself or not.

>>717710324
>OMG YOU THE PLAYER ARE SO BAD FOR DOING THIS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!!!
>teehee just kidding don't feel bad even though the entire narrative hinges on you feeling bad
You're either retarded, or arguing in bad faith. I'm going to assume it's the latter.

>>717711309
>WELL YEAH, among 90% of the entire world population these 2 games are regarded as the best ever.
>BUT HERE ON THE BASKET WEAVING FORUM WE OVERRATED SPEC OPS (????)
what

>>717711175
Just because the video essay is 4 times as long, doesn't make it 4 times gooderer.

>>717711779
>Just because the game has 3 big names on it doesn't make it 3 time less mediocre
My exact thoughts on chrono trigger

>>717711249
>The goal that we had going in was that you would just feel something
And the majority of the time, the player felt cheated and lied to. They felt like the developer did a really stupid and spiteful rugpull.

>>717711959
So they succeeded, you felt like a retard.
oh wait you are one

Ponytails and long sidelocks turn me on so goddamn much.

>>717695116 (OP)
I want to see more of her excessively hairy pussy bush

>>717711597
>WELL YEAH, among 90% of the entire world population these 2 games are regarded as the best ever.
Which (((statistics))) are you citing? Which (((journalist)))?

>>717695116 (OP)
You can feel the seethe from the artist

Why do people think being overly reductive makes them clever?

>>717696163
why would you ever think that?

Spec ops is the "how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning" of video games.

>>717695116 (OP)
his own squad mates should have shot him after the white phosphorus order

>>717712812
That implies you had a choice.

>>717696810
Incorrect. You can spare Toriel without reloading, and finishing off Asgore is optional.

>>717713196
But how would you feel if you didn't self insert, anon?

>>717712370
I dunno man, there's something called google you can use and see it for yourself

>>717713337
You have it backwards. Your argument would be how would I have felt if I DID self insert.

>>717699938
>the real choice was to give us sixty dollars for nothing

Some games are good for telling a story, but there are no AAA games which can tell a good story.

>>717713396
>doesn't show the statistics he claimed
>doesn't show the source
>farts out a butchered screenshot of an opinion piece lacking any relevant information
You didn't even try.

>>717706223
NTA I have actually been meaning to play this game for quite a while, but now that you've made this post I'll go and give it a shot.
Thanks anon.

Wasn't Dubai the only place that got blown up anyways? Seems like you were a hero to me.

>>717713694
Got the reply
seethe chroon trooner

>>717714250
>I was merely pretending to be retarded!
inb4 more cope and seethe posting

>>717714250
You're pathetic

___

>>717706037
>the loading screen that directly addresses you, the player, by saying "its all just a game so it doesn't matter" is just a quote
jesus the cope you people will come up with to simp for a mediocre TPS

>>717695980
Rougyh, violent, sweaty, degrading threesome with Asa+White Korra.

the amount of seethe generated by asking 95-iqs why and how they're enjoying simulated murder is impressive

c'mon, it's just a video game. why does the question bother you.

>>717711309
Modern audience post

>>717708821
*wearing bullet immune anti-nigger armor*
*teleports behind u*
nuffin personnel... nigger......
*grabs u and piledrives u into the chimney at auchwitz where u burn up like the 6 million jews there*

>>717715282
who is this anyway?

>>717716138
Erin, AKA White Korra

>>717716173
from?

Spec Ops the line was a horrible game and a shit prescriptive story

>>717714578
>Game itself tells you none of this matters
>Alan seething to this very day
Hahahaha

>>717715282
>I'm too much of a mess its only malunal?
what

>>717716204
Critical Miss, a defunct webcomic

>>717716694
Has it been archived or is it just wiped from the internet?

>>717716673
natural

>>717716976
It's archived and Erin is still around and playing video games.

>>717696526
>Black guy tells you how to end racism
>Do the exact opposite
>Racism gets worse.
Why did they force us to do this? We just wanted to play video games.

>>717699938
they should have gave you an option to do that ala far cry 4

>>717719627
Racism is directly linked to exposure to black people

>>717695226
I need to know who came first, White Korra or real Korra

it's hilarious that a wholely generic-looking brown and bloom shooter still managed to piss off and confuse gamers by being the tiniest amount subversive with its themes

>>717720016
It's the games pretentiousness that has it persist in these circles as on object of mockery.

>>717720162
I'm pretty sure calling things pretentious is just the first defense against not understanding something.

>>717719806
In Far Cry 4 it was done well. In Spec Ops doing that would have been cringe. The way they did it in Far Cry 5 was cringe too.

>>717720190
No point in rehashing the same discussion had several times in this thread. It's nothing profound, it's the dev pointing his finger at THE player (not Walker) and saying you're bad for daring to engage with the game.

>>717719978
White Korra came first. Brown Korra didn't come out until 2012.

>>717720264
why was it okay when toby did it

>>717720290
The only Toby I know is Tobuscus.

>>717715282
:( I don't want to fuck white korra anymore...

BUMP

>>717695116 (OP)
>Is gaming a serious medium for storytelling?
Nothing is a serious medium for storytelling until this is destroyed.

>>717722724
pseud

>>717695116 (OP)
?
If you uncritically shoot some guy just because a presumed authority figure asked you to do it- then you probably are a bad person.

>>717720190
>*tch*
>You just don't get it. To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to appreciate Spec Ops: The Line.
Sounds like pretentious circlejerking, to me.

>>717720290
Toby gave you a choice at every step, even when you didn't realize you had a choice.

>>717720427
Now I want to MARRY white Korra.

>>717716204
From Lurk Moar Faggot.

hey where the fuck is porn
I fucking hate modern /v/

Undertale Genocide is Spec Ops done right

>>717727651
Is Spec Ops for furros and tumblrinas

>>717720276
>2012

It's been 13 years and both sides of this argument are still fart inhaling faggots

>2 spec ops the line threads up both 100+ replies

damn this game is still living rent free in /v/‘s head over a decade later and this is coming from someone who hated the story

>>717719978
They both came in my bed at the same time.

>>717704287
Nobody tell him about mobile and playstation games

>>717695226
FPBP
Came here to post this

>>717724890
Would you settle for headpats ?
>>717719978
i came first

sex with erin

>>717695116 (OP)
Revenge is le bad.
Also Abby + Ellie are gay btw.

>>717730714
to be fair, Spec Ops has several situations, where you are actually free to do whatever you want to. And the common guy's reaction will actually be le bad unironically.

>>717695116 (OP)
Still the best Erin comic

>>717695537
the problem with videogames replacing movies/series is literally how creepy are videogame cliches breaking the 4th wall inside of a interactive movie/serie

The Last of Us. Collecting trash for upgrade weapons in the workbench.
God of War. Walking five minutes meanwhile other people talk.
Metal Gear and Death Stranding. Everything.
Other Games. squeeze-through-a gap fake loading screens.

>>717708520
>reaction image sperg
Cringe.

>>717695116 (OP)
Not really. Unless you take control away from the player and make them basically watch a movie with little interaction it's really the player's inclination to do silly things that's going to mess up the whole artistic message the developers are trying to send. Early game developers understood this and even in "serious" stories they'd put tongue in cheek humor and stuff, but it was in the 00s did they think they needed to elevate things as an artform and they never got the hint that your average player really hates serious artistic messaging.