Thread 717713291

What versions of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask should I recommend for my friend to play? Personally I had no problems emulating the N64 versions, and I think people should play games as close to vanilla so that they can properly judge it's merits.

>>717713291 (OP)
They have native PC ports. OOT has a decomp port called Ship of Harkinian or something and MM has a recomp and a decomp, the better one of the two is from the team that didn't also make Ship or Hark.
That's the best way to play them on PC and they might have mobile ports.

They're easy to emulate though lol.

>>717713850
Yeah I've seen the decomps, but I wonder if it'll change the experience too much. I know nothing compares to playing it on the N64 with a CRT, but I still try to keep it as close to the Creator's vision, at least for the 1st playthrough. Sometimes playing on 4:3 matters, sometimes it doesn't, etc.

thanks for reminding me to grab the goemman mystical ninja rom to try that games recomp

>>717715557
This guy has some great videos on them, here are the MM ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWwUuWRgsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtSDwwZqJ5A
OOT still doesn't have a recomp but that'll be the best way to play it when it comes out, just like with MM.

>>717713291 (OP)
The 3DS version of MM is better for beginners for a few of the QoL changes like Bomber's Notebook. Unless they like note taking themselves.

>>717715557
The decomps have an 'N64 mode' that lowers the res to 240p and aspect ratio to 4:3 to make it close to the N64 version. There is also a 'Vanilla' settings preset so it doesnt add or change anything from the 64 version.

>>717716208
soulless

>>717716208
OoT3D isn't bad.
MM3D is utter ass, only playable with the restoration patch.

>>717713291 (OP)
OOT Decomp
MM Recomp
Skim the settings to tailor your experience

>>717713291 (OP)
Ship of Harkinian for OoT, recomp for MM.
Ship has a ton of QoL features and is highly customizable. There is literally a setting called N64 mode that makes the game as authentic to the original experience on a CRT as possible. Recomp is emulation on steroids with some QoL stuff.

>>717716783
whats wrong with 2ship2harkinian for MM?

>>717716818
Decomp shadow dropped then ship immediately released their half finished version to clout chase

>>717716956
and its great now i was just playing it a few days ago

>>717716818
2ship is very under cooked at the moment and is years behind Ship's progress. I'd recommend Recomp until a few years if they ever bother to keep developing the PC port for MM.

>>717717053
the version i have seems to have as man features as ship if not more it was only releases a few weeks ago

>>717713291 (OP)
Recomp = real n64 > emulated > 3ds with fan patch >>> 3ds

Do people really like spending so much time in the menus to have so little consideration for the DS versions?

>>717717132
Then go play that one? I'm not going to sell you on either, it's ultimately your choice in the end.

test

>>717717619
Considering that the 3DS versions are pure ass, yeah. Fiddling with menus for a one time thing is a trivial matter in comparison.

>>717715557
The only thing I'd recommend keeping original is the frame rate. You could also lock it to 4:3, but for MM that doesn't really matter as much since the camera respects geometry and pulls in when necessary anyways.

>>717717619
You go into the menus significantly less with the dpad item QoL that both ship and recomp have.
At this point the only thing the pc ports don't have is the modern bomber notebook. They even have the new song of double time.

How do you setup a crt shader with Ship of Harkinian?

>>717718217
Reshade

>>717718304
ill reshade you you are NOT Eminem you are NOT slim shady

>>717717619
DS versions are fucking ugly

>>717718304
never used it can I load my GDV Mini Ultra Trinitron preset from ares into it?

>>717718438
This is the biggest issue. Majora is hard carried by its atmosphere, and the remake shits all over it. Everything is way too bright and clean.

>>717718513
You're at the mercy of the crt shaders it has. It has some of the big ones like crt-royale, but don't think it has that specific one.

>>717718914
meh I'll just emulate on ares for the sovl

>>717718217
ShaderGlass
https://github.com/mausimus/ShaderGlass

>>717718985
>emulate
>soul

>>717719003
ok this will work thanks

>>717719003
>Shaderglass has a steam and github page now
Sweet. I remember when it was just some random itch.io project.

>>717715557
I've played them both, they're both good and don't change anything by default. there are enhancements like native 60fps and other such graphical options, alongside hacks and gameplay alterations, but only if you go out of your way to activate them. you can have a vanilla experience if you want it, so it's really the definitive way to play.

>>717719003
>>717718217
>using a filter program instead of injecting into the game
???

>>717719139
I'm pretty sure I first downloaded it when it was just a random zip file on some forum lol

>>717719205
I guess ShaderGlass is just easier to manage? ReShade you have to install and all that BS. But I also assume ReShade runs better than having ShaderGlass ontop the game. Probably looks better too.

>>717713291 (OP)
OoT 3DS is a viable recommendation with the boss rush and hero mode additions, but MM 3DS sucks in comparison, most changes are unnecessary and take away from it.

>>717719579
Shaderglass is more convenient and easier for less tech savvy people. Reshade is stronger and can do actual depth effects since it injects into the game directly.
Personally I only use shaderglass for OSRS since reshade would get me banned.

>>717720019
Yeah that makes sense. Personally I only use Shaderglass for Aseprite.

>>717720096
>buying software

>>717720564
I pay for stuff I want to support. But I don't do subscriptions.

>>717713291 (OP)
>Ocarina of Time
Vanilla if you want to give him the pure experience whether by emulation or Switch Online, Redux if you want it to have quality of life while still being N64 proper, 3DS if you want to give him a mostly competent remaster of sorts that mostly just fucks up the lighting for certain parts and removes some of the blood, or decomp if he wants to play it the easiest way possible with a decent mod support. Recomp will likely overtake the decomp once it comes out.
>Majora's Mask
Echoing Vanilla and Redux here. Take the Recomp over the Decomp if going for a modern port, it's more stable and got a bigger modding suite that actually can change gameplay up. Ignore the 3DS version entirely unless you get the restoration hack to go with it, not only is it much more liberal about visual changes but the vanilla release skullfucked a number of mechanics because Aonuma quite literally got mad about how untraditional the game was, or so his staff claims.

>>717713291 (OP)
Play the N64 versions. OoT is okay on 3DS but Majora's Mask 3D is a downgrade if you don't play it with the Project Restoration mod.
Decomp is good too, but MM Recomp is better than the OoT port.

>>717720564
Buying software you like is based, using subscription services is cringe (fuck adobe).

>>717715759
I need to sit down and replay it. The recomp felt pretty smooth from the 5 minutes of me jumping around the starting area.

>>717713291 (OP)
3DS for both, but emulated on a decent screen with a good controller.

OoT 3D has the Boss Rush mode and Master Quest, so that bears mention at least.

>>717721771
OOT3D is fine, it's only issue is the lighting being fucked in the ganon fight.
MM3D has too many problems to list, even if you fix the mechanical issues with the restoration patch the art style is completely butchered.
Modern brighter style looks great for OOT, while the n64 foggy muddy look is better for MM.

>>717721014
yeah I forgot how much I hated the circle pad until I played OoT earlier this year. I can't believe they made the 3ds for as long as they did without upgrading that piece of shit

I have a lot of nostalgia for the N64 versions, and they have some advantages, but overall they fucking suck. Emulate the 3DS versions at 1080p.

>>717713291 (OP)
the mm64 recomp is the objective best way to play this game. it's a simple exe file, it's easier to boot up than your phone

>>717721014
>>717721771
>>717722135
>3ds versions
everyone knows the issues, i won't even bother dignifying that one with a response. a lot of people say Oot's port is acceptable, which is still a dogshit opinion for niggers

can I play ooT with a keyboard and mouse ?

>>717723079
Technically yes, but you should at least use a shitty $20 controller. These games lean heavily on the analog stick since it was Nintendos new gimmick for the console.

>>717722918
The graphics alone make the 3DS version better. 3DS is basically a portable GC so upscaling that to 1080p looks miles better than the original.

>>717722918
OOT3D looks better 90% of the time.

>>717723610
>>717723490
i completely disagree. almost every character model is a shitload uglier. i would strongly encourage OP to start with the recomps of the original

>>717724804
post examples

>>717718818
You would not be able to see a damn thing if they kept the original lighting and colour palette on the 3DS version.

>>717725884
It's a backlit screen, it's not like the GBA problem. You can more than see dark things on a handheld screen unless you're somehow playing Majora's Mask out in the sun, which isn't really recommended for that sort of game.

>>717713291 (OP)
Original hardware is best if they can but the PC ports are great and all the stupid mods and randomizers give them plenty of replay value. I like the 3DS versions but I'd recommend OoT over MM if youre going that route.

>>717720564
isn't Aesprite free if you compile it from the code?

>>717725648
just refer to my webm. if you like that version of link better then we simply have different ideas of what looks good. not to mention the issues with the presentation and the slaughtered boss fights in MM3ds

Why do you retards call recomps "ports" as if it's an official thing? One would think it's so you can pretend there's nothing wrong, but pirates are all either obnoxiously shameless or deluded into thinking they're in the right, so that can't be it. I have no real issue with piracy, especially with old games that made their money, but I don't really understand the wishy washy terminology.

>>717726815
who the fuck cares. in this case, regardless of title, the recomp is the better version.

>>717726815
The fans wanted to play it on PC, the fans give the people that made the original game a paycheck, the people that made the original game didnt want that, the fans did it for them, it's the most in your face terminology you can get.

>>717716208
MM3D took one of the worst bosses in 3d Zelda and made it even worse.

>>717713291 (OP)
My recommendations have already been stated.
I will still post them.
https://files.catbox.moe/f4yx9k.zip (OOT)
https://files.catbox.moe/rbvohp.zip (MM 2ship)
https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)

>>717727053
It's delusional claptrap, you moron. "Port" implies a genuine product, not elaborate piracy. Insisting on calling it that makes it seem like you're trying to obscure facts, because you don't even have the nerve to be honest on an anonymous imageboard.

>>717727627
Cry harder, fagola. Everyone calls them PC ports and you're too gay and weak to do anything but weep niggerish tears over it.

>>717715557
Even if you want to keep everything visually identical to original hardware, which you can do with the pc ports, the drastically reduced input delay compared to emulation really makes it the best option for pc

>>717727704
I asked a simple question about why, not to be proven right about pirates being shameless and/or delusional.

>>717727825
>i-i asked a...*sniffle* s-s-simple ques-*sob*
Yep, the tears of a nigger, you are crying them.

>>717727627
My point is that the people that make the money go up matter just as much as the people behind the game, pirates are obnoxiously shameless and think theyre in the right which is why they'll insist on the "port" that often improves on the original. The Zelda games in question did this, that Sonic Unleashed thing did this, Zelda 2 did this, every emulator does this, a billion other games that I cant think of off the top of my head also did this. If Japan hates money that's on them but they don't get the final say.

>>717713291 (OP)
she is the perfect girl for link

>>717713291 (OP)
>>717715557
Playing them at 20 fps (or even lower if you're in Europe) does nothing to benefit the experience.

3DS versions (but only with the patch in case of MM) are perfectly fine, only nostalgia addled niggers claim otherwise
Even your god Nerrel said OoT 3DS is good

>>717731183
i dont know who the fuck your eceleb buttbuddy is but anyone who likes the 3ds remakes is a retard.

>>717713291 (OP)
Get a CRT TV, and a real N64, with an actual N64 controller. Then place a real Ocarina Of Time cartridge in the slot. Or an Everdrive with the ROM. Enjoy.

>>717715557
Just play the game you fucking homo. Holy shit.

>>717726815
There is nothing about "port" that implies official. Call it a "fan port" or even "illegal port" if you have a real stick up your ass, but it's a port. The distinction is that it is not emulation.

>>717726815
you have autism

>>717717619
Personally I miss the visuals of the 3DS versions too much when I play the N64 versions. I always thought N64 Zelda was fundamentally ugly and unappealing when I was a kid in the 90s, and I really liked what the 3DS remakes did with them.

>>717726815
We call source ports ports despite the fact that nearly every single one is fan-made. There is no point in trying to make some moniker about official or unofficial.

>>717727440
I appreciate it anon, and I don't mean to offend, but how do I check these for viruses? The antivirus feature in WinRar (so Windows Defender)?

>>717731183
I don't know who Nerrel is.
>>717731665
Philistine opinion.

>>717731974
At best you can get the 3DS lookalike texture pack, but imo it looks a bit...off, but maybe that's just me. It's also stuck with the N64 level geometry because all of the SOH team's talent fucked off, so there's still no goddamn level editor to let autists fix that issue themselves.

>>717732385
This is the main reason I'm hoping the recomp can finally allow for map editing, since people were already showcasing it for MM. Or, at least some asset editing on the level of looking like map edits instead of solely textures. Being able to basically transform the original into the 3DS visuals but modified for the "proper look" would be excellent.

>>717732385
>there's still no goddamn level editor
Here's a little tidbit I picked up from the discord. That one guy who's trying to make a bunch of side quests and combat tweaks is apparently attempting to make headway on this issue himself. There's no telling how long that will take, everything with the PC port takes a massive amount of time anyways, but there is at least one tiny grain of hope.

>>717713291 (OP)
I didn't feel much difference in the oot3ds port, looking as a layman, you could go with either

>>717732385
It looks off because 3DS versions did not just update models and textures but also added models where previous there were billboards, made the skyboxes more complex and layered and used more modern lighting solutions, it's one or the other, just copying the better models looks goofy

>>717733982
not to mention, while there were some goofy bits like Link's running animation looking a little slide-y compared to the original, everything got reanimated to look more cohesive and smoother thanks to actual detailed models and not just being 1998 polygonal blocks. so the instant you put these more detailed models that are arguably not quite full Gamecube but still a long shot from the N64, on the old N64 animations, shit looks uncanny.

>>717732148
Yeah I'd like to know the answer to this as well.

>>717713291 (OP)
Always the N64 originals.
The 3DS ports suck donkey dick.

If you're allergic to emulation or 20fps, just use the PC ports.

>>717732148
>>717736724
>how do I check these for viruses?
What the fuck is this, 1998?

>>717737051
Did you use ReShade in this?

>>717737051
>The 3DS ports suck donkey dick.

shut the fuck up nigger. They look amazing actually, well not MM but OoT looks perfect. When I look at it, it perfectly conveys what classic 3D zelda should feel.

>>717737137
infact, I really wish the Zelda team made more 3D Zelda games with this engine. That way Zelda can get some more fan focused, AA Zelda experiences in between the bigger games and not just top down games.

>>717737137
Fuck off you underaged tranny.
The 3DS ports are absolutely disgusting clusterfucks, that ruin the GAMEPLAY and the art design. The colors and lighting are way off, there's shitton of censorship, the animations look amateurishly stiff and floaty compared to the 1998 OG, and all that extra handholding + bossfight changes are inexcusable nonsense.

>>717737238
>and all that extra handholding + bossfight changes are inexcusable nonsense.
?
They didn't change the OoT boss fights unless you're talking pure lighting. That's MM3D you're thinking of.

>>717737238
you should be euthanized nigger faggot.

How the fuck did they ruin gameplay? It plays even better. NGL the censorship kinda sucks but I think it was mostly done for the ESRB rating more than anything. Also what fucking hand holding? All they did was add in some guidance stone that players could see OPTIONALY dumbass faggot.

>complaining about handholding in a game in which the very original version has an NPC interrupt you to tell you fascinating stuff such as "Link, you can climb on ladders"
kekaroo

>>717737583
>ITS OK WHEN OLD GAMES DO IT

>>717737536
>Also what fucking hand holding? All they did was add in some guidance stone that players could see OPTIONALY dumbass faggot.
To be fair, they did also tweak the Water Temple by having paths lead to and help distinguish the water level plaques. And if someone is gonna bitch about that, they can go fuck themselves, because the tweaks between Iron Boots and being able to recognize which plaque is which puts the temple on par with the others in difficulty and time instead of wasting your fucking time.

>>717737536
>How the fuck did they ruin gameplay?
By ruining the animations, world design, and by implementing extra handholding shit.
The biggest sin are all those eyeballs added to all bossfights and restriction + nerfs on the ice arrows and Mask skills.

>>717738086
Anon, folks are thinking more of OoT from the start of this chain, not MM. The anon you're even bitching out specifically went "well maybe not MM3D".

>>717738151
>thread about OoT + MM
>Faggot zoomer literally retords that "THEY are fine" when the 3DS ports are criticized
Stop back pedaling like a homo.
OoT3D is at best serviceable, but it's still THE worst way of playing this 10/10 GOAT.

>>717737517
>They didn't change the OoT boss fights
Except they did, fighting both versions back to back the differences are noticeable
Right off the bat Ghoma is more erratic in an attempt to force you into stunning instead of sword only

>>717738585
Right looks better in all of them except the last one, second one is some of the most autistic nitpicking I've ever seen

>>717713291 (OP)
3D is superior.
At best autists can gather maybe 4 images of split second moments from a <40 hour game to prove it's worse.
5 seconds of this cutscene are worse, the game is still much better.

>>717713850
Did they add CRT shaders yet?