Thread 717731215

NOSTALGIA: REAL OR FAKE?
were games really better back then or is it just "muh childhood"

>>717731215 (OP)
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>>717731215 (OP)
Yeah, sorry pal

>>717731215 (OP)
Please consume new product ignore the actual good old products

There were more (non-indie) games being released at the time, thus having more good games releasing. The medium was also still developing, so titles were more experimental. Same for limitations in technology forcing creativity (and frankly nicer visuals, skilled pixel art and ~00's 3D have strong appeal).
Also what the other anon mentioned with the pandora's box of monetization. These days people even ask for monetization. Like damn bitch can't a game just release as a finished product

>>717731215 (OP)
some games in the past were good, some were bad. Some in the present are good, some were bad. But the climate and landscape surrounding video games has gone to shit. Instead of running to the blockbuster, you have to sign up for 3 different accounts. Instead of buying a disc, you buy it digitally, and in bite-sized bits. Instead of playing a game because it looked fun and then enjoying it you play a game because it looked fun and then get smacked in the face by gay bear sex. Not to mention loading times, fuck loading times. Yeah those were pretty bad historically too but going from the gba to the ds with almost no change in loading times and then swapping to a 3ds and having to wait 2 minutes for the system to fucking turn on is ridiculous. Why does my ps3 load faster than my wii u? what the hell man

the very best that you can say about the last ten years is that the metrics have gone wayyy up

>>717732326
>smacked in the face with gay bear sex
Holy shit let it GO bg3 released like 2 or 3 years ago

>>717732553
>Holy shit let it GO
Why should I? So that it can happen again and everyone say nobody complained about it that time?

>>717732553
>Holy shit let it GO
Unholy fuck, who asked you?

>>717731215 (OP)
Higher highs and lower lows. Bad games back then were worse than now, but when a game was good, it was really fucking good. Good games still come out now, but they don't hit the same heights that they used to.

>>717732553
Give me reason why should i care about what you feel or think.

>>717731215 (OP)
If games weren't good back then, why do they keep doing ports, remasters, and remakes?

>>717731215 (OP)
That’s one disgusting gen ai image

>>717732838
I think another aspect is that games nowadays can be utterly fantastic, only to then have some solid BUT's mixed in that keep it from actually feeling as such. For example, I'd say a game like Friends vs Friends is a fantastically executed novel concept that has the makings of a proper multiplayer modern classic (or hidden gem, given its cratered player count), but some of the flavor design choices and the presence of EAC makes it impossible to recommend without people making some kind of fuss about those things.

>>717731215 (OP)
Most games were shit back then like most games are shit now. the only reason people think the past was better is they don't remember all the garbage that came out and once the internet came around it was easy to avoid the trash so they just never played it. seriously go pick a few nes or snes games at random most of what your going to get is garbage unless your lucky.

>>717731215 (OP)
The paradigm was better set up for good games back then, people were focused on whatever could make a good game, not whatever was spat out by market analysis and business administration.
Small, talented teams were capable of making very focused games as opposed to the current incoherent mess.
A lot of good games also got their start as mods of older games, something that is stifled by DRM, copyright and a lack of dedicated server hosting, especially now that a lot of corps are salty that they didn't get full rights to derivatives like DotA.
Practically every merger and acquisition between companies has reduced their ability to actually make a functional game, just like every other industry that does this stupid shit.

Everything was better. in the 2000's people still listened to music from 80's like crazy, now it's soon 2030 and people still listen to music like crazy from the 80's.
Do you really think 20+ years from now that people will listen to music from the 2020's?

>>717731215 (OP)
>ET on the Atari almost killed consoles because of how shitty the game was
>developed by disgusting white pig because the movie was popular and wanted money
>Super Mario Bros saved consoles for showing how good console games can be
>developed by superior Japanese company for the sole purpose of pushing gameplay design and family fun
It's the same

>>717731215 (OP)
Outside of the well known classics games were pretty crap to be honest. Only genres that got worse with time are platformers, beat em ups and SHMUPs. Basically 2D genres. 3D genres on average all improved

>>717734253
>people were focused on whatever could make a good game, not whatever was spat out by market analysis and business administration
Wouldn't that be nice. I've recently played through Turok series and every game after 1 just chases FPS trends of the era, making the series worse and worse with every installment. With Turok it started in 1998

>>717731215 (OP)
There is definitely an element of nostalgia in it, and for those who are elevating the PS3/360 era in particular I'd say there's a lot of nostalgia driving it, but there were plenty of good things in the past that have been lost. I think the biggest loss in general is that it used to feel like games of middling or lower budget would be put out even by big developers, but nowadays it feels like the trend is much more towards big releases. Portable consoles used to be a good space for those smaller titles to exist in, but there aren't any real portable consoles now.

>>717731215 (OP)
I don't think those nostalgia friends would like most of those old games if they came out today.

>>717734453
>consoles
Silly people really like exaggerating Atari being a shitshow.
>nooooo, you don't get it it almost killed people playing games and turned the world into a 7 day work week with 16 hour long shitfts

Gameplay may have been simple but a substantially higher proportion of games had some aspiration of advancing the burgeoning medium. The aspirations of modern games are: photorealism, engaging a wide audience, and games as a service/microtransactions. Modern AAA games are essentially souped up 90s FMV games.

Experiences are real.

We might have grown up and see the game for what it is technically, but if we loved it as a child, then nothing changes that, or the positive feeling it created, the good times with friends, the excitement of getting that one really difficult mcguffin etc. We might not "get" Roblox and Fortnite, but those games give kids the same feeling, and that's just as valid as ours back in the day.

I fucking loved Clayfighter 63 1/3, and that was considered the worst N64 game. I still had a blast playing it with my friends at lunch every day, owning them as Sumo Santa lol.

People are too analytical these days and forget that they're just games. As long as you have fun, it doesn't really matter.

>>717735028
>Modern AAA games are essentially souped up 90s FMV games.
this cannot be emphasized enough.

>>717731215 (OP)
Things were simple 30 years ago. There's plenty of decent games now, but the culture surrounding video games is completely fucked. Modern internet has ruined much, people have become spoiled and want too much all time, culture war shit, anti consumer practices, games as a service, soulless anti games literally built around microtransactions.

Sure, vidya itself wasn't the result of the current state, but I say kill the internet as it exists and go back to dial up, people will appreciate what they have a bit more.
I know I sound like a grumpy boomer, but it's all so exhausting.

>>717731215 (OP)
The next game in your favourite series used to take a couple years to be developed and released. Now it’s takes a decade of dev time for some mediocre shit.

>>717731215 (OP)
No not really.
But almost everything was a new idea because the medium was still in its infancy so everything felt special.
If you have a certain favorite game in any retro genre, there are prolly dozens upon dozens of indie games that do it better, it just doesnt feel that special because it has been done.

T. Has a huge collection of retro games

The world was better. Good games actually come out all the time, but the world sucks now.
It's significantly harder to just find people to enjoy games with now, because everyone is addicted to social media and streaming slop, and web communities are fucked to all hell.