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Anonymous No.717736352 >>717736401 >>717736623 >>717736637 >>717736869 >>717736959 >>717737183 >>717737870 >>717737917 >>717738369 >>717739259 >>717739295 >>717740215 >>717740634 >>717741982 >>717743497 >>717744272 >>717746986 >>717747985 >>717748027 >>717748462 >>717748518 >>717754017 >>717754214 >>717755289 >>717755893 >>717755971 >>717756235 >>717757526 >>717758121 >>717758364 >>717761601 >>717765556 >>717766116
Why are Enclavefags like this?
Anonymous No.717736376 >>717736501 >>717738765 >>717739386
>Deep state :(
>Deep state, patriot wallpaper :O
Anonymous No.717736401
>>717736352 (OP)
I don't get it...
Anonymous No.717736408 >>717737950 >>717755776
game for trannies
Anonymous No.717736501
>>717736376
this unironically why the deep state keeps winning in real life
Anonymous No.717736546 >>717736631
I didn't think anyone unironically supported the enclave
is this just a strawman?
Anonymous No.717736623
>>717736352 (OP)
Enclave don't pretend to be the good guys, they are pretty upfront about the authoritarian thing.
Anonymous No.717736631
>>717736546
Go to any FOG on /vg/, spilling over with enclavefags but that might just be of the contrarian nature of 3chin.
Anonymous No.717736637 >>717736852 >>717738561 >>717746839 >>717747637 >>717748246 >>717749806 >>717757048 >>717757894 >>717765556 >>717767215 >>717767657 >>717767727
>>717736352 (OP)
Enclave looks cooler. Simple as. That's why no one likes the institute. It's similar retarded writing but without sci-fi hugo boss armor to back it up. Fagout 4's art design in general is awful so their armor looks like a wearable toilet.
Anonymous No.717736658
Why do retards make threads about a non-faction?
Anonymous No.717736852 >>717737108 >>717741961 >>717746879 >>717746968 >>717748246 >>717767307 >>717767491
>>717736637
I can't fault them for at least trying to come up with an aesthetic that fits into the retro-futurism vibe of Fallout's alternate 50s universe. I agree synth armour looks awful and unpractical, but the vibes of an atomic age design are there, it's just not executed well enough.
A hyper-sleek modernized design wouldn't have fit into the world of FO, same reason all these cowadooty modern weapon mods stick miss the point of the setting and stick out like a sore thumb. The games' aesthetics were supposed to be pulpy and comic-book like, not Modern Warfare 5.
Anonymous No.717736869 >>717736970 >>717757894
>>717736352 (OP)
cool elite aesthetic, that's it
Anonymous No.717736959
>>717736352 (OP)
The Enclave was right. Kill all muties.
Anonymous No.717736970 >>717737198
>>717736869
>I just fucking LOVE Israel and Deep State ruining my life because they're so cool!
Actual idiocracy. The elites were right, humanity deserves to be subjugated.
Anonymous No.717737016
MODUS is based
Anonymous No.717737068 >>717737639
The fact that Enclave makes libtards seethe is a good enough reason to support them
Anonymous No.717737108 >>717737635 >>717738028 >>717748474
>>717736852
The Fallout 1 intro having "Maybe" as the song that plays in the background and a black-and-white TV as part of scenery did so much damage to how people perceive Fallout universe aesthetics that you could film a whole documentary about it.
Anonymous No.717737183 >>717761837
>>717736352 (OP)
Enclave is a stupid faction that doesn't make sense, like most Fallout 2 things.
Anonymous No.717737198
>>717736970
Yes, aesthetics is a huge part of the appeal.
People like cool looking things and no amount of screeching is going to change that.
Anonymous No.717737234 >>717737290 >>717737514 >>717737726 >>717738583 >>717740365 >>717743627 >>717766792 >>717767815
>incompetent beaurocracy filled with greedy corrupt politicians that tax the shit out of you
>arrogant venture capitalist with a ruthless robot army that requires all your money and compliance
>violent homosexuals that will fall apart the moment their megalomanic brainlet dictator dies
>glorified postman become despot who has no idea about running a nation or even an ice cream stand

Great choices, Avellone. Nevada is fucked.
Anonymous No.717737290 >>717737680 >>717737849
>>717737234
>>violent homosexuals that will fall apart the moment their megalomanic brainlet dictator dies
Debunked within the game btw
Anonymous No.717737514 >>717744184
>>717737234
I choose House, because he offers good terms. If he tries to fuck me over then I can fuck him over, or just fuck off to Big MT.
Anonymous No.717737528
At least Enclave is being honest.
It's the same old world they want to bring back.
Anonymous No.717737635
>>717737108
The dream fallout game has the anesthetics and tone of Harvester... just taken a little seriously
Anonymous No.717737639 >>717738206 >>717741509
>>717737068
>supporting New World Order to own the libs
Anonymous No.717737680 >>717737764 >>717738047 >>717741509 >>717755975
>>717737290
Look everybody, the obnoxious romaboos are here
Anonymous No.717737726 >>717738245 >>717747796
>>717737234
House is as close as the Fallout universe gets to becoming the God-Emperor of Terra, except thought economic brilliance rather than just brute force conquest.
Anonymous No.717737764 >>717737875 >>717737923 >>717738010 >>717738040 >>717738180 >>717740502
>>717737680
>The Legion is going to fall in 2 more weeks, trust me on this one!
>The ideologically brainwashed slave army is going to turn on the heir of their God-King because... reasons!
Anonymous No.717737849 >>717738313
>>717737290
>in-game confired that they "mount each other like dogs"
>all legion endings are horrible for everyone involved, including the legion itself
>canon-losers according to Avellone
>confirmed to be just an antagonistic faction by the developers
Anonymous No.717737870 >>717739541 >>717748362 >>717748646
>>717736352 (OP)
Why did Turbocunt insist on murdering Mr. House? He literally did nothing wrong
Anonymous No.717737875 >>717738313
>>717737764
They probably will start to in-fight over who gets to rule after Caesar dies.
Anonymous No.717737917
>>717736352 (OP)
Online chuddoids aren't very intelligent and substitute thoughts for "based" authoritarian vibes, next question.
Anonymous No.717737923 >>717738047 >>717739396 >>717741509
>>717737764
>oh my god is that... i-is that... LE HECKING ROMAN EMPIRE????
>HOLY YOWZERS BATMAN SO FUCKING EPIC
>WAIT, YOU CAN'T JUST STEAMROLL US WITH YOUR .50 CAL, WE CALLED YOU A DEGENERATE! NOOOO CAESAR HELP M-ACK!!!
Anonymous No.717737950
>>717736408
Stop trying to insert your fetish into videogames people like
Anonymous No.717738010 >>717738313 >>717738351
>>717737764
We get it, you're a faggot romaboo who is so brainrotten by /pol/ that anyone that uses the term "degenerate" is based in your book, but Legion is literally designed to be a joke faction. Same with the Enclave, it just goes to show how deep people's convictions really go as long as they're presented with a superficial image (in this case le based romanz n shiet) they agree with. This is how politics work and the reason democracy was the greatest misstep in human history.
Anonymous No.717738028 >>717742050 >>717742059 >>717742827 >>717743385
>>717737108
Elaborate on this more.
Anonymous No.717738040
>>717737764
>leader dies of a brain tumor
Anonymous No.717738047 >>717738170 >>717738214 >>717738243
>>717737680
>>717737923
you can't call anyone anyone annoying when you're a troonjack spamming tranny
Anonymous No.717738170
>>717738047
>loses argument
>gets pissy
Anonymous No.717738180
>>717737764
Yeah Rome has never fell into total infighting at the death of a beloved leader, nuh-uh.
Anonymous No.717738206 >>717738254 >>717738278 >>717738339 >>717738405 >>717741509
>>717737639
t. ourist nigger
Anonymous No.717738214 >>717738458 >>717739876 >>717741509 >>717746125
>>717738047
>romaboo calling others obnoxious

oh the irony
Anonymous No.717738243
>>717738047
Shartyniggers ruined this site. Wojaks should be a bannable offense (like they used to be)
Anonymous No.717738245 >>717738316 >>717738367 >>717738571
>>717737726
People are in denial over House. He isn't smart.
>antagonizes the NCR aka New Vegas's biggest and ONLY customer
>evicts an entire vault of educated and healthy people for no reason
>has no idea all of his Families are going behind his back in some way
There's a reason he's the weakest faction at the start of the game.
Anonymous No.717738254 >>717738271
>>717738206
back to your failed containment board migger
Anonymous No.717738271
>>717738254
go back to leftypol, tranny
Anonymous No.717738278 >>717738559 >>717754329
>>717738206
Literally only rightoid crybabies would even care about hilariously retarded pro-authoritarian factions like Caesar's Legion or Enclave. Also fits in line with all the trumptards unironically supporting deep state globohomo because they're hissing the republican colours right now.
You sound mad.
Anonymous No.717738313 >>717738363 >>717738416 >>717738457 >>717747880
>>717737875
Yeah, it's a shame how Caesar didn't already dictate who would rule after his death.
It's even bigger of a shame how there isn't a special ending where it tells you who becomes the new Caesar after the original one dies.
>>717737849
>the only confirmed example of homosexual activity within the legion is an escaped slave that tells you that they had a secret affair with their master, and how homosexuality is punished by death in the Legion. The only NPCs accusing Legion of homosexual acts are NCR-aligned
>Literally false
>Left-leaning dev trying to cope on social media, after he no longer gets any say-so on the franchise, how the evil, misogynist fascists would totally lose? Shocking news
>New Vegas really must be buggy if antagonists are a playable faction
The redditor epic lesbian girlboss image is cherry on top.
>>717738010
>ad-hominem in finitum, no actual arguments present
NCR Defence Force isn't sending their best.
Anonymous No.717738316
>>717738245
>+200 IQ
>not smart

Very nice, please spread your butthole for a credit check.
Anonymous No.717738339
>>717738206
little bro you started posting here in 2020 when r/ the Donald got deleted
Anonymous No.717738351 >>717745854
>>717738010
You don't get it,you're tranny so brain rotten by reddit you chimp out over a joke video game faction not being a bunch of sissy fags and women.Same with the Enclave.You're perpetually butthurt because you shoved up a dildo up your ass and get angry that people don't side with your gay fag joke of a faction
Anonymous No.717738363 >>717738635
>>717738313
>MAGA crybaby immediately whines about politics
Anonymous No.717738367 >>717738570
>>717738245
His biggest problem is just that NCR wants to take over (and Legion). He doesn't really antagonize them.
Anonymous No.717738369 >>717743703 >>717743825 >>717747317
>>717736352 (OP)
Falling in line is what rightoids do
Anonymous No.717738405
>>717738206
>anyone who I don't agree with is a LIB!
Anonymous No.717738416
>>717738313
>It's even bigger of a shame how there isn't a special ending where it tells you who becomes the new Caesar after the original one dies.
Doesn't mean that that won't in-fighting down the line.
Anonymous No.717738456
>pepeshit and wojak AIDS is an instant 3 day ban
>anti-eceleb rule enforced harshly
>/pol/shit banished to /pol/ early, not letting off topic garbage get 3 digit replies and THEN move it over
>IP counter
Then the site can start healing.
Anonymous No.717738457
>>717738313
Nigger I ain't reading all your romaboo cope.
Anonymous No.717738458 >>717738609
>>717738214
>troonjack calling anyone obnoxious
Anonymous No.717738559
>>717738278
Quit crying fag
Anonymous No.717738561 >>717739885
>>717736637
Looks like he’s wearing a toilet or something
Anonymous No.717738570 >>717738642 >>717739773
>>717738367
>He doesn't really antagonize them.
he basically tells Oliver to fuck off in his ending or he'll sic his securitrons on them
Anonymous No.717738571 >>717739529
>>717738245
>antagonizes the NCR aka New Vegas's biggest and ONLY customer
He antagonizes their military and politics, he welcomes its citizens. He also knows no matter what, people are addicted to booze and gambling, so his political beef has little to no affect on the crowds who just want to dull the misery of their wasteland lives
>evicts an entire vault of educated and healthy people for no reason
They've all been integrated into Vegas
>has no idea all of his Families are going behind his back in some way
He has an idea, which is why he launches an investigation through the player

He was also the founder of several global companies and revolutionary technologies, he also saved Vegas from total annihilation and would've saved way more if his contractors had brought his anti-ICBM defense grid online sooner.
Anonymous No.717738583 >>717738751
>>717737234
the technology in fallout video games is so chaotic even well run stable societies would be screwed over any real length of time. play any of new vegas dlc and say even a well defended civilization could stand up to the holograms and cloud of the sierra madre or the divide nukes, or the dozens of technologies of big mountain.
Anonymous No.717738609 >>717738684
>>717738458
I accept your defeat, tourist.
Anonymous No.717738635
>>717738363
>Tranny immediatly shits on his dildo when he loses
Anonymous No.717738642
>>717738570
I guess, but that's afterwards, not leading up to the battle, and you should talk him down anyway. He is to be a scapegoat.
Anonymous No.717738684
>>717738609
Accept death reddit nigger
Anonymous No.717738751 >>717738879 >>717739838 >>717746807
>>717738583
As much as I love Old World Blues, it kinda fucked the setting with all of its insane Star Trek levels of technology.
Of course the game directors will always make sure to keep up the status quo so there's little to no actual progress with each new game but in theory whoever owns Big MT tech basically runs the world.
Anonymous No.717738765
>>717736376
fpbp
Anonymous No.717738879
>>717738751
I tend to agree, but I also like my power fantasy where player gets to run Big MT.
Anonymous No.717739069 >>717739886 >>717756941
It's the only FO thread on /v/ right now so fuck it, I'll just ask here.

In 3/NV what exactly do weapon requirements even do for melee and unarmed weapons? Sure higher skill numbers means more damage but it's not like you can't use a STR 7 weapon if you only have 5 STR, or not meet the required skill. Your hit chance in VATS is always gonna be 100% for melee anyway, so what's the point?
Anonymous No.717739259 >>717740545 >>717740962 >>717741889
>>717736352 (OP)
I'm actually playing the hearts of iron fallout mod as the Enclave and it's really fun. The writing does a good job of making you sympathize with them. In the actual games they're mostly faceless villains barring a few scenes.
Anonymous No.717739295 >>717739332
>>717736352 (OP)
They have cool power armor. That is literally, and I mean literally all there is to it. Cool power armor.

I don't blame 'em
Anonymous No.717739332 >>717739373 >>717739424
>>717739295
Even if they literally would exterminate you and your entire family for being genetic defecs?
Anonymous No.717739373
>>717739332
We're all pre-war humans
Anonymous No.717739386 >>717742009
>>717736376
They look cool, simple as. Meanwhile NCR have like one cool armor
Anonymous No.717739396 >>717747701
>>717737923
> i-is that... LE HECKING ROMAN EMPIRE????
This but unironically.
R O M A
O L I M
M I L O
A M O R
Anonymous No.717739424 >>717739531
>>717739332
I'm not an enclavefag. I'm not even American.

But they DO have cool power armor.
Anonymous No.717739520
>NCR
>oppressive
if they actually made something like Bitter Springs a common occurence, America would be less shit
the Enclave realised that
Anonymous No.717739529 >>717759396
>>717738571
problem is that most of the mojave is pure desert and tribals. He needs the NCR's help to start importing industry and skilled labor or all his caps are useless.
Anonymous No.717739531 >>717739567
>>717739424
This gives me "yeah the nazi officer is telling me to face the wall but man his coat is so cool" vibes.
Anonymous No.717739541 >>717739669 >>717740130
>>717737870
>NCR women fantasize about being raped by Legion soldiers
Kek
Anonymous No.717739567 >>717739734
>>717739531
Are you telling me it isn't? Hugo Boss did a great job.
Anonymous No.717739573 >>717739748 >>717751652
>it's another Fallout New Tranny thread
Anonymous No.717739669 >>717739830 >>717747972
>>717739541
>hurr... hur... ahur... hurr... raeeep... hurrr

This really has become reddit 2.0
Anonymous No.717739734 >>717740223 >>717740261 >>717747487
>>717739567
My point is prey adolizing predator is a good way of getting snapped out of the genepool.
Anonymous No.717739748 >>717749587
>>717739573
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m8Ln1yqeJE
Anonymous No.717739773
>>717738570
He wants the military presence of an occupying force to fuck off from Nevada. If you read his terms of surrender he explicitly states that the NCR must not impede the arrival of its citizens to Vegas.
Anonymous No.717739830
>>717739669
Imagine that NCR female soldier getting impregnated by superior Legion sperm
Anonymous No.717739838
>>717738751
The tech of the Big MT is also severely unstable. It will as easily help a civilization as well as destroy it.
Anonymous No.717739876 >>717747453
>>717738214
The brotherhood of gay accept a dyke into their ranks
Anonymous No.717739885
>>717738561
it's from skibidi toilet colab
Anonymous No.717739886 >>717739968
>>717739069
You have an increased DPS, can inlock broken perks such as Super Slam and moves such as the mauler.
Anonymous No.717739968 >>717740385
>>717739886
I knew about the VATS special moves, but they seem to independant of the actuall skill requirement.
So you're saying if I had a fist weapon that required 50 unarmed, and I had 49 skill in unarmed, I would do noticeably less damage?
Anonymous No.717740034 >>717740176 >>717740179 >>717740248 >>717740342
>NCR are corrupt
>therefore I’ll side with murderous genocidal slavers who murder and enslave people for sport
Anonymous No.717740130
>>717739541
I mean, when hasn't it happened in IRL conflict for the women to fantasise about being fucked by the invading forces?
Anonymous No.717740176 >>717740373
>>717740034
>for sport
For the glory of the Legion.
Anonymous No.717740179
>>717740034
Liberal democracies are the most evil forms of human organizations to exist and should be destroyed. The Legion are saints compared to the NCR.
Anonymous No.717740215
>>717736352 (OP)
Everyone is racist in Fallout so it doesn't matter
Anonymous No.717740223 >>717740447
>>717739734
It speaks magnitudes that you implicitly identify with prey.
Anonymous No.717740248
>>717740034
thats_the_joke.jpg
Anonymous No.717740261
>>717739734
That doesn't stop them from having style.
Anonymous No.717740342
>>717740034
I really like their origin story with Caesar and Joshua. The tribes that make up the legion would have been violent murderous slavers even if the legion didn't exist.
Anonymous No.717740365
>>717737234
>glorified postman
people who only know the fallout universe through watching oxhorn videos say this
Anonymous No.717740373 >>717740419 >>717740435 >>717740486
>>717740176
>Legion
>gets jobbed to a postman
Anonymous No.717740385 >>717740528
>>717739968
I'm pretty sure you unlock the special moves after a specific level (50 and 75). Also, piercing strike (ignored 15 points of DT) and superslam make all the difference in an unarmed/melee build and are what allow you to bear deathclaws to death.
Anonymous No.717740419 >>717740435 >>717740575
>>717740373
>NTR
>gets jobbed to a postman
Anonymous No.717740435
>>717740373
>>717740419
>Mr. House
>gets jobbed to a postman
Anonymous No.717740447 >>717748314
>>717740223
No it speaks volumes that people like you would choose an objectively bad option purely on looks. This is why elites keep getting closer to the NWO because the average brainlet pleb (you) is distracted by tribalism and lookism.
Anonymous No.717740486 >>717740632
>>717740373
>get shot in the head
>deliever some mail
>conquer the Mojave
Anonymous No.717740502
>>717737764
>>The ideologically brainwashed slave army is going to turn on the heir of their God-King because... reasons!
have you ever read anything about any of history
Anonymous No.717740528
>>717740385
I know I know, my question still stands what the skill requirements are for. I mean I could ask the same question about explosives. Whether I have 1 or 100 points in explosives doesn't really prohibit me from using them.
Anonymous No.717740545 >>717740763 >>717741509
>>717739259
>hearts of iron
Anonymous No.717740575 >>717741829
>>717740419
>NTR
gooner confirmed
Anonymous No.717740632
>>717740486
Uhhh existing power sissies I literally can't defeat this single man
Anonymous No.717740634 >>717741190 >>717741620
>>717736352 (OP)
The Enclave are the NCR if the NCR weren't a bunch of cucks filled with bureaucracy. They are effectively a military Monarchy. Caesar is right that the Wasteland calls for brutal tactics. Every Faction except the NCR knows this.
Anonymous No.717740763 >>717741509 >>717741510 >>717741627
>>717740545
Anonymous No.717740962 >>717741439 >>717741521 >>717748767
>>717739259
i love the 50 op girlboss tribes the devs put in all over the map
Anonymous No.717741190
>>717740634
And yet the NCR managed to unite an entire pre-war state and create an advanced economy that manages to produce new guns and stimpaks instead of just scavenging from the Old World. The Legion are the only other faction that managed to control a significant amount of territory, but even then they can't even get an autodoc to work without outside help.
Anonymous No.717741439 >>717741524
>>717740962
Twin Mothers is kino, shut yo whore mouth
Anonymous No.717741509
>>717740763
>>717740545
>>717738214
>>717738206
>>717737923
>>717737680
>>717737639
why are underage sharty election tourists incapable of expressing any thought outside of the context of a faggotjak
Anonymous No.717741510
>>717740763
Why does this shit make me laugh everytime
Anonymous No.717741521 >>717741664
>>717740962
>op
I've played a few games of it so far and it always ends with NCR or Legion raping everyone. Personally, I think it's way too easy for Legion to walk around the hoover dam and completely invalidate the entire plot of New Vegas.
Anonymous No.717741524
>>717741439
your hrt is getting stale
Anonymous No.717741620
>>717740634
>Caesar is right that the Wasteland calls for brutal tactics
And yet his entire cucked legion is hanging on a thread that snaps the moment he inevitably dies of his brain cancer. Even Caesar himself says his Legion has no staying power so he must merge with the NCR to balance out his retarded caveman chestbeating horde of homosexuals with at least some semblence of civilization.
Anonymous No.717741627 >>717741776
>>717740763
I don't remember what his actual point was, if he even had one. Compared to the kino of the first few DLC it didn't leave much of an impression on me.
Anonymous No.717741664 >>717741707 >>717741816 >>717743210
>>717741521
chieftess gigagirlboss goddess having a +10000 organization modifier isnt op because they only coded 2 countries to do anything your right
Anonymous No.717741671
>why are underage sharty election tourists incapable of expressing any thought outside of the context of a faggotjak
Anonymous No.717741707 >>717741761
>>717741664
If you're having issues fighting minors that the AI can beat I don't know what to tell you.
Anonymous No.717741761 >>717743210
>>717741707
are you retarded? do you eat glass? can you not think?
Anonymous No.717741776 >>717741871 >>717741928
>>717741627
People have been arguing over his motivations for years and to this day there's no clear consensus what he actually wants. All I could read out of it is that he doesn't want the world to cling to the systems of the old world that clearly didn't work out.
Anonymous No.717741816
>>717741664
It's a Woman's world, baby~
Anonymous No.717741829 >>717741881
>>717740575
I mean you recognize the term so you're not much better
Anonymous No.717741871
>>717741776
So he's a dollar store Master.
Anonymous No.717741881
>>717741829
I never claimed I was
Anonymous No.717741889 >>717742196
>>717739259
I know the mod's called old world blues, but I really think they fucked themselves by using old world blues style worldbuilding for the entire continent. The way the mod presents the world it's like there's some special world ending catastrophy waiting under every other province. It is a way to worldbuild but I just find it so tiresome, especially as the mod has continued to develop and apply this design philosophy to hundreds of tags now.
Anonymous No.717741928
>>717741776
It doesn't really matter because he's still seething so much about the Courier causing his cool new home to go boom, revenge is the primary motivation. The whole philosophy around misguided old world nostalgia comes second.
Anonymous No.717741940
it's simple
Anonymous No.717741961 >>717742047
>>717736852
>Looking like shit is the style of the games, bro!!
>The armor HAS to be ugly or its unfaithful
You're just flat out wrong. Mk1 and Mk2 power armor mog every single suit in fallout 4.
Anonymous No.717741982
>>717736352 (OP)
Like what?
Anonymous No.717742009 >>717742092 >>717742196 >>717742618 >>717743065 >>717743179 >>717747093 >>717749354 >>717761485
>>717739386
>cool military suits
>cool trooper uniforms
>badass ranger uniforms
I genuinely think people would like the NCR more if they weren't so "California" coded since most Americans who aren't from California seem to hate that place lol.
Anonymous No.717742047
>>717741961
Congratulations for completely misinterpreting my post. Read it again, slowly.
Anonymous No.717742050 >>717742124
>>717738028
NTA, but FO1 and 2 felt more 80s than 50s with all the punks and mobsters and shit.
Anonymous No.717742059
>>717738028
He is probably talking about Fallout having more than 50's aesthetics. Some buildings in various Fallout games look more like they are from Interwar era, some things from Fallout 1 and 2 feel like they are from the 80's or 90's.
Anonymous No.717742092 >>717742216
>>717742009
you don't need to be american to hate california
source: im not american and i hate california and the people who live there
Anonymous No.717742124
>>717742050
Well it's inspired by Mad Max which was big in the 80s so...
Anonymous No.717742196
>>717741889
>like there's some special world ending catastrophe
The capeshit conundrum. I've only played nations that are in the actual lore so I haven't run into it much. While I like it, the HOI game design does clash with the setting barring a couple of tags. It's retarded that New Reno would mobilize it's population to WW2 levels and invade all their neighbors.
>>717742009
Yeah I always thought their New Vegas uniforms were cool. I liked the idea of the legion a lot but their uniforms look like shit.
>most Americans who aren't from California seem to hate that place lol.
I met some girl from Arizona who was legitimately offended when I said I thought she was from California. I've always lived on the east coast maybe they're fucking menaces.
Anonymous No.717742216 >>717742557
>>717742092
Yeah I know, neither am I American. Some of my best online buddies were from Cali, but I'm not blind to the fact it's a hyper globohomo rainbow state. But that's my point, had the NCR been named something like "New Western Republic" or "Westcoast Alliance" or whatever, probably wouldn't have incited so much disgust for many people. But the creators of FO are from California so it makes sense they'd show their pride.
Anonymous No.717742557 >>717757882
>>717742216
I don't like California but their bear flag is really cool.
Anonymous No.717742618
>>717742009
You make a good point. Though I also think it's the 2010 graphics that make the NCR look not as cool. The only thing branded with California I actually like is the Mr. Bungle album
Anonymous No.717742827 >>717743256 >>717743409
>>717738028
NTA, but when you play the classics back-to-back with the Bethesda games in a marathon, it becomes clear that the 50s focus and influence is far stronger and more overt in the Bethesda titles (partly due to the new first person perspective, but mostly due to an intentional change in design direction).
1 and 2 are inspired by general frontier pulp fiction and books like Hitchhikers and Lord Of Light, with some light Doctor Who and Star Trek influence thrown in for good measure.
Anonymous No.717743065 >>717743256 >>717746363 >>717749724 >>717752234 >>717768679
>>717742009
Most average Americans who hate California are from red states with their brains poisoned by media telling them to turn all their hate and attention to that evil woke Cali so they don't look at the shit state of where they are while they live in a dying town in a welfare queen state that has terrible underfunded systems leading to unhealthiness and awful education of its population.
Anonymous No.717743179 >>717743256
>>717742009
California is fine to visit once but like all of america its a den of sin so i wouldnt go again
Anonymous No.717743210
>>717741761
>>717741664
What the hell are you seething about and do you care that it's something retarded that you made up?
Anonymous No.717743256
>>717743065
Most of the people I know who hate California are from Colorado, Washington, or Oregon.
>>717742827
Yeah I can't think of much. A lot of the wrecked cars still looked like the sleek boats of the 50's but it doesn't feel like an intentional style as much as it does in the Bethesda games. Even New Vegas tones it down.
>>717743179
It has some of the most beautiful nature in the country. Cities really aren't worth visiting IMO but that goes for most of the nation's major cities.
Anonymous No.717743385 >>717743617 >>717744146 >>717745225 >>717749810
>>717738028
Compare how the wasteland looks in this video vs how it looks like in Fallout 4
https://youtu.be/6e8WrmOibpM
Anonymous No.717743409
>>717742827
Everyone makes fun of the TARDIS easter egg in Fallout 2 but DW is seriously the biggest sleeper inspiration for the entire franchise. The Master is literally just Davros but less evil and many of the vault experiments are lifted straight from classic episodes.
Anonymous No.717743497
>>717736352 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxvxVS8RGJY
Anonymous No.717743617
>>717743385
It looks Art Deco, so like 30's or something. At least the buildings. Clothing, cars, not so much.
Anonymous No.717743627 >>717743850 >>717744032
>>717737234
The point of Yes Man is that the future depends entirely on how you play your Courier. If you rush the base game, ignore all other factions in the map and destroy House's robots upgrade yeah your Vegas is probably gonna be plagued by anarchy. But if you do a full playthrough, explore everything, learn from everyone, make friends with the NCR and the Khans and the Boomers and the Strip families, get tech from Big Mountain, so on and so forth, the idea is that unlike other leaders your Courier has walked the walk and strengthened Vegas by his will alone. He's grown to be part of it, the wild card, its master.
None of it will matter because Bethesda destroyed it in the Fallout TV show btw
Anonymous No.717743703
>>717738369
leftoids fall right in line for the firing squad after getting usurped by the authoritarians they claim to be against since they fundamentally lack cohesion
Anonymous No.717743825
>>717738369
Falling in line for right wing cock is what leftist women do(and love)
Anonymous No.717743850 >>717746738
>>717743627
>destroyed it in the Fallout TV show btw
It's shocking that people still look at shows being made of some IP they like and think hmm I think I'll watch that I'm sure it'll be great. We're getting close to a decade of every remake/reboot/adaptation being trash. There may be a couple exceptions but I'm so jaded on the topic I don't bother watching anything anymore. I have 10 million hours of air crash investigations to watch.
Anonymous No.717744032 >>717744058 >>717747192 >>717765898
>>717743627
The Courier is a brain damaged drug addicted mailman.
Anonymous No.717744058 >>717746653 >>717754942
>>717744032
The courier beat easy pete to death with a pipe for no reason. A real beast of a man.
Anonymous No.717744120 >>717745771
The NCR lose to faggots in football armor
Meanwhile the Enclave hates niggers and trannies and shoots them on sight
Anonymous No.717744146
>>717743385
Boston looks better and actually better suited to the classic Fallout pre-war aesthetic tbqh
Think of how the classic vaults looked (not the ruined ones)
Boston is that same era style but for the whole city, awesome
Anonymous No.717744184 >>717746738 >>717749193
>>717737514
House was part of the cabal that nuked the world the first time. He deserves to be shredded with bullets for that
Anonymous No.717744272 >>717745185 >>717746403
>>717736352 (OP)
power armor power fantasy. no one would care if they just worse simple uniforms, so they pay attention to the militia with strong armor and weapons. Even if they constantly get bodied by everyone in the series.
Anonymous No.717744428 >>717745665
The Enclave suck because they're supposed to be anti-mutant but they fuck around with deathclaws and Horrigan
Anonymous No.717745185 >>717745771 >>717747073
>>717744272
The enclave don't get bodied by any body?
They shitstomp every opponent they ever have except for Protagonist abusing his plot armor in f2 and f3
Anonymous No.717745225
>>717743385
Damn I miss the bluesy soundtracks.
Anonymous No.717745665
>>717744428
>the bad guys are hypocrites
shock horror
Anonymous No.717745771 >>717745806
>>717745185
Enclave
Losers in Fallout 2
Losers in Fallout 3
Losers in New Vegas
Don't even appear in FO4 lol
>>717744120
You sound so chronically 4chan it's actually painful.
Anonymous No.717745806 >>717745996 >>717746049 >>717746263
>>717745771
You didn't play fallout 2 or fallout 3.
Anonymous No.717745814 >>717746073
House is the only correct choice. 2 heads are better than one. And I can leave the bureaucrat shit to him while I bang red lucy in the sewer.
Anonymous No.717745854 >>717757548
>>717738351
The /tv/ crossposting is real
Anonymous No.717745996 >>717747967
>>717745806
>leader of the Goyclave is literally AI slop
>can be talked into ACKing itself with a simple speech check
Anonymous No.717746049
>>717745806
Well, anon, you didn't play them all the way to the end.
Anonymous No.717746073 >>717746761 >>717746940 >>717751862
>>717745814
>implying you're not getting sodomized like the rest of the tribes the moment your opinion doesn't align with the House
good goy, I bet you think Musk and Trump are good people irl too
Anonymous No.717746125 >>717747615
>>717738214
>BOS chapter has advance weaponry and power armour superiority
>gets wiped off the map by NCR chads showing up in cloth uniforms and crappy M4s
Anonymous No.717746263 >>717747967
>>717745806
>forgets the part where Liberty Prime single-handedly kills thousands of encl*ve fags
>forgets the part where their base Ravenrock gets 100% obliterated
>forgets the part where their own Deathclaw aboniations rip their own people apart
>forgets the part where they can't even get a fucking water filter running
>forgets the part where they get their second base blown to shit in the expansion

clavies are the actual joke of the franchise.
Anonymous No.717746363
>>717743065
No, people hate California because it's a hive of leftists and trannies who poison media with their repugnant ideology.
If they are despised, they have earned it.
t. California expat
Anonymous No.717746403 >>717748043
>>717744272
good morning sirs
Anonymous No.717746476 >>717746547
Did you ever notice that House was always the one who were being constantly betrayed?
Anonymous No.717746547 >>717746572 >>717746674 >>717746714
>>717746476
Good morning
Anonymous No.717746572
>>717746547
It's night here you bloody benchod
Anonymous No.717746653
>>717744058
That's a feat, considering that Difficult Pete is a roider.
Anonymous No.717746674
>>717746547
At this point the people bitching about ESLs are more annoying than the ESLs themselves.
Anonymous No.717746714 >>717749193
>>717746547
>housefags are jeets
This would explain so much.
Anonymous No.717746738
>>717743850
Same, but a lot of normalfags probably don't care or didn't play the games anyway.

>>717744184
China dropped the nukes, House knew it would happen, but probably couldn't change things anyway. He would probably would have been fucked over by the Enclave anyway.
Anonymous No.717746761 >>717746808
>>717746073
Give me an in-game proof that House has double crossed someone he contracted with.
Anonymous No.717746807 >>717748972
>>717738751
tbf most technology in Big MT is vaporware that exists as like a single prototype and any capability to reproduce it has either been destroyed or lost. Everything they made that was actually useful went to the Sierra Madre and is stuck there unless Elijah 2 appears out of nowhere
Anonymous No.717746808 >>717747057 >>717747157 >>717749193
>>717746761
He fucked over every single one of the three families with his sheer incompetence and lack of communication skills, which is why they were all plotting against him. Sometimes I wonder if you housefags even played the game, I really do.
Anonymous No.717746839
>>717736637
Why did they do it
Anonymous No.717746879 >>717749027
>>717736852
>I can't fault them for making a completely dogshit design
You are the reason games are terrible now
Anonymous No.717746940 >>717751862 >>717751919
>>717746073
>implying you're not getting sodomized like the rest of the tribes the moment your opinion doesn't align with the corrupt bureaucrat
>implying you're not getting sodomized like the rest of the tribes the moment your opinion doesn't align with Caesar
>implying you're not getting sodomized like the rest of the tribes the moment your opinion doesn't align with the high elder
Can be said for most of the factions and he already said his opinion is that he wants to bang Lucy in the sewer.
>unprompted political obsession
Come on now
Anonymous No.717746968
>>717736852
The fallout 4 hunting rifle which is also the sniper rifle looks like its 1 foot long when you hold it lmao
Anonymous No.717746986
>>717736352 (OP)
The NCR are less bad than the pre-WW3 USA, but they're meant to be an idealised view of Californians. Vault City is more realistic.
Anonymous No.717747057
>>717746808
How were they fucked over?
Anonymous No.717747073
>>717745185
they got offscreened by the NCR so hard that their literal only response is tricking a mailman into nuking a place the NCR wasn't even formally occupying to cover their retreat
Anonymous No.717747093
>>717742009
>most Americans who aren't from California
Yeah Californians love it, which is why they'll flee to my state to tell me how much better California is and vote for California-style policies, which is why we all love Californians.
Anonymous No.717747157
>>717746808
Did you even read your own sentence?
Anonymous No.717747192
>>717744032
You don't have to make your Courier a drug addict.
Anonymous No.717747317
>>717738369
You tell em sis. Don't forget your 28th booster shot.
Anonymous No.717747453
>>717739876
The BOS sent one of their two dykes to some place in the middle of nowhere to get rid of a psycho retard, while the other dyke is treated like a retard and they ask a wastelander that did a few fetch quests to tardwrangle her.
Anonymous No.717747487
>>717739734
nazi fetishists don't ever imagine themselves on the receiving end, they only picture themselves telling you to face the wall.
Anonymous No.717747615
>>717746125
>NCR equips their soldiers with mediocre 200 year old refurbished service rifles and leather armour
>Has them zerg rush a better equipped and trained enemy at a hard to defend location
>Wins
>Get forced out by the next retard that zerg rushes the hard to defend location
Anonymous No.717747637 >>717752108
>>717736637
The Institute’s concept art was great, most of the art for Fallout 4 was. The game just looks and runs like shit.
Anonymous No.717747701 >>717748160
>>717739396
Caesar explicitly tells the Courier that it's just the aesthetics of a foreign empire that was long-dead even before WW3.
Anonymous No.717747796 >>717747918 >>717749193
>>717737726
"Economic brilliance". The man is less economically literate than Karl Marx was.

He embodied the whole Laissez-faire attitude of the old world and if you actually read the messages and mails in factories and shit that attitude RUINED the world even without the bombs by just creating environmental devastation in the name of profit left, right and center. He basically lives by the creed of "what's good for me financially must be good for the world", fuck whether it's actually sustainable or not. He is greed personified. An ultimate finance/tech-bro that manages to mask a batshit insane economic (and political) theory behind charisma.

The man unironically believes that capitalism means the state should never get involved in business (it doesn't, it specifically says the state's job is to clean up the messes that the free market creates and create barriers to prevent further messes).

Hell just look at New Vegas under his direct control: you have the tiny strip of the super elite while the vast majority of the rest of the city is a slum worse than fucking Megaton. He's just your run off the mill CEO with a god complex.

Hell, Benny who is a bumbling fool almost undid House's entire plan, because House isn't very smart either. Benny only failed because of dumb luck of the Courier not dying.

So your choices are:
-Anarchy with Yes Man
-A regular government in a rising country with all of it's advantages but also all of it's warts in the NCR (which really just mirrors the rise of the US, including all the corruption)
-A tribal savage confederacy that will blow up the second Caesar dies into infighting and bloody chaos
-A kleptocracy under House that he pretends is "true freedom" but ultimately is economically less sensible than a fucking communist regime would be (seriously, complete Laissez-faire societies historically have a shorter lifespan than communist ones)
Anonymous No.717747880
>>717738313
>It's tough on both sides of the fence, really. I think women have it worse. They're like money, given as rewards. {Shakes head} Breeding stock.
>Honestly, as long as men meet obligations and the child count, "friendships" are a sight more equal than the level of most Legion husbands and wives.
>{Female PC} Sorry, ma'am, but ain't enough caps in all of New Vegas to make me do that. Nuh-uh.
>{disgusted by memory of having sex with a woman} I told you, I ain't ever doing that again - ever. It was like being a slave all over again.
Consider the Legion's behaviour:
>Families destroyed
>Children taken and enslaved
>Said children are groomed into faggotry
Sound familiar? The Legion are globalhomo, somehow even more so than literal Californians.
Anonymous No.717747918
>>717747796
House, but not because of anything you say, but because he offers life extension tech. Although, I guess with Big MT tech you can bypass him, but anyway.
Anonymous No.717747967
>>717745996
>>717746263
>Only using FO3 lore to evaluate the Enclave
You've never played FO2.
Anonymous No.717747972 >>717748160
>>717739669
Rape was a relatively common fetish until relatively recently because people could tell the difference between fiction and reality.
Anonymous No.717747985
>>717736352 (OP)
Because the NCR is just the corrupt bureaucracy of the old world while the Enclave is the deep state going full mask off.
The NCR is every single HOA Meeting, but a government.
The Enclave is Manifest Destiny.
The NCR is Filibustering. The Enclave is if the president had a blatant filibusterer shot on live tv.

TL;DR the NCR is boring, the Enclave is exciting.
Anonymous No.717748027
>>717736352 (OP)
its how you recognize wh40k fags
Anonymous No.717748043
>>717746403
don't make fun of my english bitch bloody basterd. sir are you prostitute?
Anonymous No.717748160
>>717747701
People get way too hung up on the Roman aesthetic. It's window dressing, both in the design of the game and in the actual lore.
>>717747972
>until relatively recently
All my girlfriends had a rape fetish to some degree. They were ashamed of it but they all brought it up eventually. It wasn't fat ugly bastards though, it was the idea of a man they already find attractive forcing himself on them.
Anonymous No.717748215
Ate the Legion
Ate the NCR
Ate House

Luv me friends
Luv me trusty canteen
Luv me robots

Simple as
Anonymous No.717748246 >>717750902 >>717752092
>>717736852
>>717736637
You know what? I've been thinking about it and I know EXACTLY what the Institute design theme should have been.

70's retro-futurism. It should have been 70's retro-futurism to make it look much higher tech than the main setting, and much more modern than the 50's retro-futuristic Americana, but still keeping that dated aesthetic.

The Institute should have been a wood-grain wonderland.
Anonymous No.717748314
>>717740447
>He thinks the fictional villians in this fictional setting are interesting and have cool fictional clothes, he must be a NAZI in real life!
Anonymous No.717748362 >>717748646 >>717748730 >>717749340
>>717737870
1. She's a turbocunt.
2. The developers are shitlibs that wanted the game to be le morally grey. This is why they removed the options for the NCR to spare House and House to spare the BOS in their respective routes.
Anonymous No.717748462
>>717736352 (OP)
'ate California. Simple as.
Anonymous No.717748474
>>717737108
The fallout 1 intro is nearly perfect
Don't blame it for Bethesda flanderizing the setting and completely mixing up what's diegetic and what isn't. it isn't even that '50s, ink spots were a 1930s thing and the news reel presentation is '40s.
Anonymous No.717748518 >>717749389
>>717736352 (OP)
chuds are like 1980s heavy metal "satanists" attacking christianity, just childish opposition
Anonymous No.717748646 >>717748835
>>717737870
>>717748362
>if you le kill your enemies, they win
Anonymous No.717748730 >>717752207
>>717748362
are you really that opposed to the idea of dilemmas in games? now I'll admit new vegas could've been less clumsy about it, but having your cake and eating it too isn't an interesting story
Anonymous No.717748767
>>717740962
90% percent of the random tribes exist to either make small countries or get swallowed up by someone else, or both.
Anonymous No.717748835 >>717748897 >>717749086
>>717748646
batshit insane that trudeau correctly pointing out that playing whack-a-mole with global terrorism hasn't panned out led to this "quote" proliferating decades later
Anonymous No.717748897
>>717748835
if you don't fund your enemies, they might not win
Anonymous No.717748972
>>717746807
>vaporwave
Anonymous No.717749027
>>717746879
>guy who has literally nothing to do with the game somehow has monumental impact on the entire gaming industry

It's time to touch grass anon.
Anonymous No.717749086 >>717749212 >>717749265
>>717748835
>just let them terrorise you, bro
Why are leafs like this?
Anonymous No.717749193
>>717747796
>>717746714
>>717744184
>>717746808
The romanfags are seething today.
Anonymous No.717749212
>>717749086
>either burn incomprehensible sums of money trying and failing to fight a moral war or take the israel pill, commit genocide and hope you can get away with it without burning all your soft power, bro
not time time hamad. i will simply not play the game
Anonymous No.717749265 >>717749595
>>717749086
>why are leafs like this
Why are yanks like this?
Anonymous No.717749340
>>717748362
>NOOOOO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE BLACK AND WHITE MORALITY OTHERWISE MY MYOPIC BRAIN CANNOT COMPREHEND WHO TO ROOT FOR!!!!
Anonymous No.717749354
>>717742009
I don't hate California, I actually think California the state is pretty cool modern politics aside. They have great nature, a great flag, cool history.
I think the Enclave just occupy more of a fantasy. They're a secret society of macho meatheads in power armor. The only part of them that really comes off as weak and lame is their leadership, and Fallout 2 even presents a lot of the grunts as just normal dudes working a job.
The NCR in NV basically represent real-life modern america in the setting. They're very unflattering and flawed. Their troops are demoralized and don't want to be there. Their leadership is corrupt and easily influenced by the wealthy merchant class. There isn't any romance to what the NCR does, they're too conflicted.
Anonymous No.717749389 >>717749551
>>717748518
>randomly injects his christcuck victim complex into the conversation
Okay...?
Anonymous No.717749551 >>717749643
>>717749389
swing and a miss you stupid cunt
Anonymous No.717749587 >>717749698
>>717739748
this is stage video
Anonymous No.717749595 >>717752304
>>717749265
Canucks couldn't govern themselves, they horrendously mismanaged their natural resources.
Anonymous No.717749643 >>717749653
>>717749551
Ok cleetus. Where's your foreskin?
Anonymous No.717749653
>>717749643
swing and a miss again you stupid cunt
Anonymous No.717749698
>>717749587
>this is stage
SAAR DO NOT NOE VAGINA
Anonymous No.717749724 >>717749990
>>717743065
>Underfund every state because you have to make the money printer go brrr for endless wars and topping up low wages
>Let the Californians make retarded policies that makes their energy expensive
>Mock people that aren't from shitlib finance states
>Act surprised that everyone hates California
Vault City is an accurate depiction of Californians btw.
Anonymous No.717749806
>>717736637
...it looks like he's wearing a fucking Saiyan suit.
Anonymous No.717749810 >>717752691
>>717743385
>Explicitly the bad ending
Now post the one where the Vault Dweller fixed the water pump.
Anonymous No.717749928 >>717750959 >>717751423 >>717757221
>NCR
>no cool power armor
>almost get their shit pushed in by a couple of people larping as the roman empire
>"Dude what if we just become the US government lmao."
>capitol is some lame ass town
>no cool characters

>Enclave
>cool power armor design
>they have their headquarters on an oil rig, which is cool as fuck
>the only way to stop them is for the chosen one to blow up their oil rig
>cool characters like Frank Horrigan
>"Why yes, we are the elite of the old world and deserve to rule the planet, what gave it away?"
Anonymous No.717749990 >>717752415
>>717749724
So Californians are based?
Anonymous No.717750902
>>717748246
They went for a Star Trek TOS design instead.
Anonymous No.717750959
>>717749928
>elite
>loses every major engagement and becomes a fractured mess of outcasts by NV

lolclave cope is hilarious
Anonymous No.717751423
>>717749928
>the bad guys are excuseable because they're COOL!!!
Brainrot.
Anonymous No.717751652
>>717739573
>Khans
>Peaceful protesters
You are a retarded secondary that got all of your opinions from redditors.
Anonymous No.717751862
>>717746073
None of the House endings suggest that.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings#Slide_3:_The_Courier
>>717746940
>implying you're not getting sodomized like the rest of the tribes the moment your opinion doesn't align with the corrupt bureaucrat
Emily Ortal and Chief Hanlon show how the NCR actually treats tribals that aren't raider scum. Ortal complains about taxes, inflation, and money going towards war instead of other things. Chief Hanlon talks about how he told the NCR citizens to come back to California instead of shooting the tribals in Baja for control over a well.
Anonymous No.717751919
>>717746940
Also the BOS only cares about keeping dangerous military technology out of the wrong hands, not oppressing tribals.
Anonymous No.717752092 >>717752174
>>717748246
But with what wood? Most of the trees are dead.
Anonymous No.717752108 >>717753732 >>717754696
>>717747637
>runs like shit
Huh? The one saving grace of Fallout 4 at launch was that despite the horrible glitchiness and visual problems (vertex explosions are all I remember from launch day), it run amazingly well. I played it on a subpar machine too. Never dropped below 60fps except for the top of that big iconic skyscraper in downtown Boston. Did updates and DLC degrade performance over time?
Anonymous No.717752174
>>717752092
Didn't they clone gorillas and shit? I'm sure they can grow some trees.
Anonymous No.717752207
>>717748730
Fallout games (especially the older ones) often have the option to earn your perfect ending by gatekeeping it behind more difficult content. They also made the options and recorded voice lines and stuff before changing it at the last moment.
Anonymous No.717752234
>>717743065
From NYC and I ahte NY and cali too
Anonymous No.717752304
>>717749595
Canadians have CANDU reactors and decide to burn old forests for electricity instead.
Anonymous No.717752415
>>717749990
>Expensive energy
>Based
Energy investor shills are retarded.
Anonymous No.717752691
>>717749810
Anonymous No.717753436 >>717754132
Any faction that fucks over the Brotherhood is worth joining.
Anonymous No.717753732 >>717754259
>>717752108
downtown boston runs like shit on consoles, i know that much at least
Anonymous No.717754017 >>717755298
>>717736352 (OP)
>villains are always cool
>small unit tacticool strategy
>helicopter insertions
>sick ass gear
>small number of "chosen"
Everyone would want to join
Anonymous No.717754132
>>717753436
So true, xister! You tell those technofascists! We should just let the Fiends and the Van Graffs run rampant!
Anonymous No.717754214
>>717736352 (OP)
truthnuke
Anonymous No.717754259 >>717755564
>>717753732
Downtown Boston still runs like shit on everything, even on a 5090
The engine simply cannot handle the amount of drawcalls present in that region, it doesn't matter how much hardware you throw at it
Anonymous No.717754329 >>717754590
>>717738278
Legion is a project designed by Caesar (an NCR citizen) to revitalize the NCR by force.

Its essentially a collectivist, authoritarian revolutionary force that is descending on NCR. The question is mostly "should NCR be reformed by force?" And the answer i come to while playing the game is a resounding YES
Anonymous No.717754489
House - NCR alliance ending is the best possible outcome for all parties involved. Shame about the Sisterhood of Squeal, but whatever.
Anonymous No.717754590 >>717755007 >>717757458
>>717754329
>collectivist
I know that communist countries are dictatorships, but you're still a retard. Caesar is a luddite that explicitly says that he wants to make a military dictorship that protects its citizens and the power of its emperor. Meanwhile, communist countries tend to focus on rapid industrialisation at all costs.
Anonymous No.717754696
>>717752108
>vertex explosions
That's pretty cool Bateman, but that's nothing. Check out this.
Anonymous No.717754942 >>717755494
>>717744058
In your wildest dreams maybe. Despite his name, Easy Pete ain't anything but.
Anonymous No.717755007 >>717755597
>>717754590
>Caesar is a luddite
So an utter fucking retard.
>that explicitly says that he wants to make a military dictorship that protects its citizens and the power of its emperor
Not a single line of dialog says that anywhere in the game.
Anonymous No.717755289 >>717755371 >>717755715 >>717755990 >>717757697
>>717736352 (OP)
>Tribals larping as pre-war America with crappy gear
vs
>actual pre-war America with top of the line tech and gear
It's Fallout and Fallout is always about the gear no matter what NVtrannies try to tell you.
Anonymous No.717755298 >>717757683
>>717754017
>>villains are always cool

Literal woman psychology.
Anonymous No.717755371 >>717755592
>>717755289
Does Todd at least pay you FO3jeets for your contrarian shitposting?
Anonymous No.717755494
>>717754942
That's Hardcore Pete.
Anonymous No.717755564
>>717754259
Runs fine for me, and BGS games are bottlenecked by CPU, not GPU. Fallout 4 can run on a potato card by the standards of today.
Anonymous No.717755592 >>717755660 >>717755715 >>717756516
>>717755371
>Contrarian
Tell me again why you're running either a Courier Duster or Riot Gear in every fucking playthrough then trooney toon.
Anonymous No.717755597
>>717755007
>Not a single line of dialog says that anywhere in the game.
It's in the dialogue where the Courier asks about Hegel.
Anonymous No.717755660 >>717755835 >>717755960
>>717755592
Why are you so obsessed with trannies, anon? Who hurt you?
Anonymous No.717755715 >>717755835
>>717755289
>>717755592
>look mom, I posted it again
Anonymous No.717755776
>>717736408
Prove it, subhuman freak
Anonymous No.717755835
>>717755660
>>717755715
>Avoiding the question
Anonymous No.717755893
>>717736352 (OP)
Ignoring faction preferences from aesthetics, equipment, and characters.

The NCR's deep state is way less evil than the Enclave.

Yeah the NCR is corrupt and probably will get more corrupt with time. But they still do nation building and attempt bring civility normalcy to an otherwise lawless and anarchic wasteland. While the Enclave basically is just the remnants of the corrupt deep state that ran America in the final days of the resource wars and great war and is arguably partially responsible for the bombs dropping and FEV, on top of that they also have zero problems or hesitation eradicating the humans who descended from vault dwellers and have lived on the surface for a two to three generations, and do literally nothing to make the wasteland a better place other than killing monsters like super mutants and death claws, which they are kind of responsible for existing anyway.
Anonymous No.717755960
>>717755660
I'm getting so tired of Fallout threads
>3jeet sees NV thread
>goes in to rant about how annoying NVchads are
>everyone tells him to fuck off
>he starts spamming "tranny tranny tranny"
And they wonder why 4chan is dying. Trannies completely buckbroke these people.
Anonymous No.717755971 >>717758621
>>717736352 (OP)
It really do be like this
Anonymous No.717755975
>>717737680
I looked like this
Anonymous No.717755990 >>717756274 >>717756929
>>717755289
>Tribals
The NCR are the descendants of Californian vault dwellers.
>muh gear
The Enclave get killed in every game that they appear in. The BOS were pushed out of Helios One because the NCR zerg-rushed them at a hard to defend solar thermal power station.
Anonymous No.717756047
Though
Anonymous No.717756235
>>717736352 (OP)
The NCR is a stand-in for modern day liberal democracies, which chuds tend to think are not only evil but also LAME, while a fascist paramilitary like the Enclave is "cool", both aesthetically and in the cartoonish, sincere nature of their evil
Anonymous No.717756274 >>717756791
>>717755990
>The NCR are the descendants of Californian vault dwellers.
So were Great Khans. That doesn't make them any less akin to tribal savages.
>The Enclave get killed in every game that they appear in.
>muh designated bad guy
Okay, and?
Anonymous No.717756516
>>717755592
I once killed Lanius with NCR trooper gear and a service rifle. I usually run a vault suit and an anti materiel rifle.
Anonymous No.717756791 >>717757035
>>717756274
>So were Great Khans. That doesn't make them any less akin to tribal savages.
The Khans aren't tribals. They are Californians that are LARPing as the Mongol empire, which was long-dead even before WW3. The NCR aren't LARPing as anything other than Californians, which they are.
>muh designated bad guy
>Okay, and?
Funny how "might makes right" fags fall back on this cope when they lose.
Anonymous No.717756929 >>717757512
>>717755990
>The NCR are the descendants of Californian vault dwellers.
At this point it is descendant from a lot of places and peoples.
Anonymous No.717756941
>>717739069
loading screen hint says insufficient strength/skill makes melee slower and guns shakier
Anonymous No.717757035 >>717757697
>>717756791
>Funny how "might makes right" fags fall back on this cope when they lose.
The fuck are you even talking about, retard? Do you not even understand the context of the conversation?
>The Khans aren't tribals. They are Californians that are LARPing as the Mongol empire
Wow, just like every other tribe in Fallout.
Anonymous No.717757048 >>717758464
>>717736637
>Enclave looks cooler.
This.
It's the same reason the Empire in Star Wars appeals to people, or Helghast in Killzone, or WW2 Germany. They look awesome.
Sometimes it is that simple.
Anonymous No.717757221 >>717757645 >>717758285
>>717749928
>NCR
>no cool power armor
Their power armor looks pretty neat to me.
Anonymous No.717757327
Enclave are the good guys.
Anonymous No.717757436 >>717757605
>dressing up as a literal bugman is cooler looking than this
Anonymous No.717757458
>>717754590
>legion is not collectivist
Individual legionaries own nothing. Everyone is a slave to the state. If you cannot perform your function you are useless and disposed of.

It's essentially a collective struggle for one goal: invading NCR and settling millions of barbarians within their borders.
Anonymous No.717757512 >>717757605
>>717756929
No they aren't. Even Arroyo was just the descendants of people from Vault 13 and a few other Californians that joined along the way.
Anonymous No.717757526
>>717736352 (OP)
FUAAAARK! HERE COME OUR HEROES!
Anonymous No.717757548
>>717745854
no you can just tell that every retard is tranny
Anonymous No.717757605 >>717758046
>>717757436
True, power armors look ugly, even Enclave one's are just so so. Riot armor looks better.

>>717757512
Yes they fucking are, places like Hub are part of NCR, which means other towns and villages we didn't visit in 1 and 2 would also be a part of it, around core NCR regions, which means it's not only vault dwellers that are part of NCR.
Anonymous No.717757645 >>717757742
>>717757221
>gut the power armors internal mechanisms and hydraulics because they were too retarded to figure out how they work
>essentially turns the suit into plate armor that likely weighs hundreds of pounds
Anonymous No.717757683
>>717755298
Lazy non sequitur.
I always think villains are cool. They are generally the driving force and take charge of the narrative. They have nicer aesthetics and will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

See: Sauron, The Empire (SW), Enclave, Helghan etc etc
Anonymous No.717757697 >>717757752 >>717757941
>>717757035
>The fuck are you even talking about, retard? Do you not even understand the context of the conversation?
I was responding to this, retard: >>717755289
>Wow, just like every other tribe in Fallout.
Cope. The Great Khans pretend to be native Americans that dindu nuffin, even though they are the descendants of Californian vault dwellers. Meanwhile, the tribals in the Honest Hearts DLC are the descendants of people that got stuck there during WW3.
Anonymous No.717757742
>>717757645
But it still looks cool though.
Anonymous No.717757752 >>717758171
>>717757697
>Games literally refer to them as tribals
>retard denies it anyway
Looney troon moment.
Anonymous No.717757882
>>717742557
They hunted bears to extinction in Cali s9 its fucking stupid they have an animal that no longer roams the state
Anonymous No.717757894 >>717758052 >>717758143
>>717736869
>>717736637
NCR veteran rangers are the coolest looking thing in the series though
Anonymous No.717757941
>>717757697
Great Khans seems to be wannabe tribals, or rather they are post apocalypse biker/bunk/criminal thug gang. Fallout writers seems to have different takes on what is a raider/tribal. You have more sensible tribals who just try to survive of the land, and then you have drug addicts without any major organizations.
Best not overthink it tho, because Fallout, even 1 and NV, is still kind of a silly setting.
Anonymous No.717758046 >>717758231
>>717757605
The Hub was founded 16 years after WW3 in a place that was mostly untouched by WW3, and it's in California. Vault City's vault doors opened only two years after WW3.
Anonymous No.717758052 >>717758160 >>717758180 >>717758318
>>717757894
Nah, Legion looks way better, even their infantry
Anonymous No.717758121
>>717736352 (OP)
Honesty is important
Anonymous No.717758143
>>717757894
>rangers are a new addition to the NCR
Anonymous No.717758160
>>717758052
>Football jerseys and cheerleader skirts
>Pre-WW3 riot equipment, handmade kevlar, and a duster
Anonymous No.717758171
>>717757752
They're referred to as a "gang" random mean street kids can join about as often
Anonymous No.717758180
>>717758052
>retards in football pads and dresses
>better than anyone
Anonymous No.717758231 >>717758514
>>717758046
Ok, but not my point. My point is that by the time of NV, NCR is no longer a nation of just descendants of vaults.
Shady Sands was (although it could have attracted others early on as well), initially.
Anonymous No.717758285
>>717757221
>literally "we got power armor at home"
>good
Anonymous No.717758318
>>717758052
Best looking force is Fiends (I wish I could repost Fiend Grindset video, but it seems to be gone).

Fiend punk drugged up raiders bitches wearing scantly torn clothes and other shit make me act up.
Anonymous No.717758364 >>717758690
>>717736352 (OP)
I just think their power armor is Rad, same for the NCR.
Also atleast they are honest on their intentions, the brotherhood were a bunch of shady assholes too high on their own farts.
Anonymous No.717758464 >>717758520
>>717757048
Germany had the Good Jews
USA and the USSR had the Rat Jews
Anonymous No.717758514 >>717758760
>>717758231
California was quite heavily bombarded with nuclear weapons (to the extent that a town that was largely untouched by WW3 becomes a major trade hub), so it's much more likely that (with the exception of the BOS) they are the descendants of vault dwellers, and they are all Californians.
Anonymous No.717758520
>>717758464
Anonymous No.717758621 >>717758695 >>717758850 >>717759039
>>717755971
Toss did it first
Sad display
Anonymous No.717758690 >>717758919
>>717758364
>Keeping dangerous military technology out of the wrong hands is literally genocide
OK Gloria Van Graff.
Anonymous No.717758695
>>717758621
Sussy christus.
Anonymous No.717758760 >>717758997
>>717758514
Speculative. Maybe it leans more into vaults, but presence of Hub (and some others? Junktown, Klamath and so on) shows that it was not only them.
Anonymous No.717758847
>Honesty is important
Anonymous No.717758850
>>717758621
He is right on this.
Anonymous No.717758919 >>717759240 >>717759521
>>717758690
They had other shit hidden from the public, i don't remember if it was on NV or 2 but you could find a lot of secret dirt on them in one of their remaining bunkers.
Anonymous No.717758997 >>717759148
>>717758760
Klamath is in Oregon, yes, but Junktown is in California. I concede that they are mostly (not entirely) Californians and descendants of vault dwellers by NV. They still aren't tribals.
Anonymous No.717759039
>>717758621
Toss is a faggot liberal who pretended to be based then showed his NCR colors
Anonymous No.717759148
>>717758997
>They still aren't tribals.
Well that I didn't claim, that was another anon.
Tribalism is weird in Fallout anyway, especially when there a lot of non tribal groups around.
Anonymous No.717759240
>>717758919
The BOS bunker in 2 just has the recording of Frank Horrigan, while the bunker in NV has the history of the bunker and the fact that McNamara broke the BOS' rules about the chain of command.
Anonymous No.717759396
>>717739529
He's banking on the NCR not having the balls to embargo him and keep their citizens out of the Strip. And to his credit, I can't imagine that they would.

House is playing a really delicate game of trying to keep his influence without overplaying his hand until his robots are juiced enough to actually hold his territory; you can accuse him of a few bits of dumbassery but his political maneuvering seems pretty sound. It's his reading of individuals that fucks him over.
Anonymous No.717759521
>>717758919
You sure you aren't thinking about that cut tape of the founder's son? Even in that I think it just explains how the BoS becomes so insular.
Anonymous No.717760439 >>717760836
Enclave + Vault tec, seems like something of Herman Kahn from RAND corporation.
Anonymous No.717760836
>>717760439
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Kahn#Cold_War_theories
Read up, anons.
Anonymous No.717761485
>>717742009

It's no so bad here
Anonymous No.717761601
>>717736352 (OP)
The NCR pretends to not be evil, the Enclave doesn't.
Anonymous No.717761837 >>717762213
>>717737183
>Small minority of true Americans before Great War
>Doesn't have enough manpower to handle NCR, BoS and muties.
>Create a virus to take back the American soil
>Have test subjects from Arroyo and pure humans from Vault 13 to create a vaccine
>President doesn't take any pride committing mass genocide

Enclave is pretty reasonable in Fallout 2.
Anonymous No.717762213 >>717765690
>>717761837
The premise of them being anal over wastelanders because some of them have mutation or because they just simply got irradiated is just silly, it's just fake racism, one that writers wanted to make different in their own setting. So they create "mutties" when it's mostly just same ol' humans (ghouls and some actual mutants not withstanding).

Them wanting to take back control of former US, I suppose, makes sense, but not way they go about it.
Them infiltrating NCR and other post war larger societies and taking control would make more sense and would be more "glowie" like to begin with.
Anonymous No.717762482 >>717762804
Is /v/ going to attend the troon Vegas ball and bukkake the sluts there with your fellow legion goonbros?
https://youtu.be/cm-UxzBbgeY?si=3PPXgnl0pLa9kzdP
Anonymous No.717762804
>>717762482
There was a gathering a few years ago, Mantis was in it no?
I also remember another channel, where a guy drove around the areas in Nevada and California that were related to Fallout or Nuclear weapons among other things.
I think outside of Goodsprings and few other areas you won't get that true Fallout feelings, everything will be too modernized, the Strip is way different, for example.
Anonymous No.717764140
The Legion is literally the only good faction in the Fallout universe
Anonymous No.717765556
>>717736352 (OP)
I like both.

NCR has cool 1950's aesthetic and infrastructure. Enclave has based power armor and bunkers, and is one of the only factions making brand-new tech. They're both appealing to me, in different ways. I like them more than The Legion or BoS.

>>717736637
Institute laser rifles look cool, at least.

For me, it's The Minutemen.
Anonymous No.717765690
>>717762213
>it's just fake racism
It would have been pretty silly if the president dropped in from a vertibird and said "we're the real America and we hate niggers"
Anonymous No.717765898
>>717744032
Your courier is.
Anonymous No.717766116 >>717766421
>>717736352 (OP)
NCR is objectively the best faction in Fallout because it's the one that most immediately and apparently transforms the lives of average citizens for the better. Nobody would care about corrupt politicians and lack of long-term goals when they get immediate access to food, clean water, safety, and education (see: real life)
Anonymous No.717766421
>>717766116
>Western Hegemony at its bloated, corrupt and the most imperialistic phase
>best faction
Anonymous No.717766792
>>717737234
>arrogant venture capitalist with a ruthless robot army that requires all your money and compliance
House isn't that ruthless. He forgives you if bug his network and doesn't shed blood without reason
>but muh BoS
it's impossible to have a robot army near BoS
Anonymous No.717767153 >>717767326 >>717767634 >>717768226 >>717769280
the only noble faction in Fallout was The Master who wanted to get rid of normalfags
Anonymous No.717767215
>>717736637
God
Literal toilet paper tier
Anonymous No.717767307
>>717736852
Retard
Anonymous No.717767326
>>717767153
t.Markus
Anonymous No.717767491
>>717736852
>t.sharthesda employee
Anonymous No.717767634
>>717767153
Followers of the Apocalypse are definitely good, since they only want to help others
they will never be relevant however so it doesn't matter
Anonymous No.717767657
>>717736637
>the Enclave looks cooler
>just look at this Fallout 4 faction
Yeah, no-one likes Fallout 4's factions.
Everyone will argue to the death over the other games.
Wonder what happened.
Anonymous No.717767727
>>717736637
it's amazing how uncool F4 as a whole is, the only good thing about this game is quickloot
Anonymous No.717767815
>>717737234
Courier doesn't become the leader in Yes Man ending did you even play the game or do you know NV mostly from youtube?
Anonymous No.717768226
>>717767153
TrvthNvke
Anonymous No.717768679 >>717771094
>>717743065
This is the correct answer. Red states and the people in them are vermin leeches.
Anonymous No.717769280
>>717767153
Master is sci fi Kalergi.
Anonymous No.717771094 >>717771503
>>717768679
retard
Anonymous No.717771503
>>717771094
subhuman