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Anonymous No.717738947 >>717739892 >>717740271 >>717740551 >>717740990 >>717741646 >>717743251 >>717744528 >>717745028 >>717751805 >>717755471 >>717755652 >>717756721 >>717756873
>DUDE LET ME HIDE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AND LET SOME RANDOM MEDIC DO ALL THE HARD WORK LMAO
Why did Kojima ruin Big Boss' character so hard in MGSV?
Anonymous No.717739892 >>717741560 >>717746413 >>717748294 >>717756081 >>717756094 >>717763089
>>717738947 (OP)
>Dude, Venom and BiBo are totally different people!
>Kaz just pretended not to notice the shrapnel in the exact same place the medic had it
>and the shrapnel really did turn into a magical horn that was growing when he did evil shit!
>Ishmael really just appeared and disappeared like that, he wasn't a hallucination or anything! It was BiBo, who shaved his beard and regrew his eye for that one night, and the grew the beard out plus lost the eye again by the time he got on the motorcycle in the morning!
>and Ocelot may have arrived on a horse but he somehow had that motorcycle in his back pocket!
Imagine being this fucking stupid, even for just a day. Terrifying.
Anonymous No.717740056 >>717758613
I liked it way more than turning out to be Grey Fox, Decoy Octopus or Solidus. I just wish the endgame was a bot more substantial, PW did the "running your own PMC" thing way better.
Anonymous No.717740271 >>717740960 >>717741069 >>717741170 >>717756305
>>717738947 (OP)
listened to nuclear yesterday and looked at the album cover. do you notice something?
Anonymous No.717740551
>>717738947 (OP)
Big Boss was always a pussy
>Used child soldiers
>Tried to kill a disarmed Solid Snake
Anonymous No.717740960
>>717740271
No
Anonymous No.717740990
>>717738947 (OP)
Big Boss was busy building Zanzibarland.
Anonymous No.717741069
>>717740271
I noticed that it's a pale imitation of the Epitaph by King Crimson from In The Court Of The Crimson King (An Observation By King Crimson)
Anonymous No.717741170 >>717742942
>>717740271
The death stranding hands on the walls
Anonymous No.717741560
>>717739892
The first thing they tell you is you are likely to see illusions
Kojimbo thought of everything, truely the genius of our generation
Anonymous No.717741646 >>717743301
>>717738947 (OP)
>DUDE LET ME HIDE LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AND LET SOME RANDOMS DO ALL THE HARD WORK LMAO
isn't that how it actually is in the first two metal gear games
Anonymous No.717741658
Woah plot woah good writing

>in any mgs game
Anonymous No.717741753
>some random medic
he was the best overall soldier
Anonymous No.717742942
>>717741170
this
Anonymous No.717743251
>>717738947 (OP)
I'm a simple man, I see a MGSV humiliation thread I smile
Anonymous No.717743301 >>717743480
>>717741646
Nah Big Boss actually fought himself during those encounters before the retarded retcons, he was just so tough he kept coming back
Anonymous No.717743480 >>717744463 >>717745063
>>717743301
In MG1 Big Boss manages to escape before Solid Snake could do any real harm to him, in MG2 he was fatally injured but he was healed and his body rebuilt from donor parts from Solidus and he was kept there as a prisoner or in stasis somewhere in a facility by the AI until he was free again in 2014
Anonymous No.717744463 >>717744549
>>717743480
He was a cyborg in MG2
Anonymous No.717744528 >>717744938 >>717750275
>>717738947 (OP)
>ruin Big Boss' character
Sorry man, Metal Gear isn't really a powerscaling oriented series, you should find some other series to whine about, preferably something rated PG
Anonymous No.717744549
>>717744463
He was also a cyborg in MG1 so yeah
Anonymous No.717744938
>>717744528
Am I supposed to believe this makes up for shitty writing?
Anonymous No.717745028
>>717738947 (OP)
Legends are overblown, the real heroes are forgotten by history.
Anonymous No.717745063 >>717745338
>>717743480
Huh? The big boss you fight in MGS 1&2 is Venom Snake (that you play as in MGS5) who for some reason is now evil and dies, real big boss takes back his place
They literally made MGS5 for the purpose of closing that loop
Anonymous No.717745338 >>717745950 >>717756306
>>717745063
MGSV only retcons MG1 Big Boss into Venom who dies as a nobody and barely putting up a fight (making the entire plot twist quite redundant honestly), and Big Boss is only evil in the sense he's serving his own interests and Solid Snake was sent to deal with him
Anonymous No.717745950 >>717746269
>>717745338
>(making the entire plot twist quite redundant honestly)
lol retard gb2starwars
Anonymous No.717746269 >>717746658 >>717748965 >>717754848 >>717754994
>>717745950
I'm sorry but someone who has no personality or lore to speak of other than being a random medic who saved big boss once and then jobbed to Solid Snake isn't main character material
Anonymous No.717746413
>>717739892
Could be an glass eye
Anonymous No.717746658 >>717746721
>>717746269
I'm glad this game doesn't appeal to you
Anonymous No.717746721
>>717746658
I don't like the game that killed off the series for a decade? I'll take it as a compliment
Anonymous No.717747160 >>717748248 >>717754914
Expectation:
>Fight against Zero and his Patriots who basically control the entire world
>Build Outer Heaven
>Final boss is Solid Snake
Reality:
>You just go around saving starving African children and that's it

What is this shit?
Anonymous No.717748248 >>717749013 >>717749770 >>717752102
>>717747160
>Final boss is Solid Snake
That would've been awesome and honestly necessary.
Anonymous No.717748294
>>717739892
kaz knew the entire time though
Anonymous No.717748965 >>717749103 >>717749227
>>717746269
He's a better man than BB but the history will remember him as a monster, that's the whole point.
Anonymous No.717749013 >>717750867 >>717752102
>>717748248
Too bad Kojima blew through half the budget to have Sutherland say 40 voicelines
Anonymous No.717749103
>>717748965
>The Boss already did that but better
>Solid Snake already did that but better
bruh
Anonymous No.717749227
>>717748965
>the history
>the
Anonymous No.717749770 >>717751972 >>717758027
>>717748248
That needs to be in the MG1 Remake with a proper build-up not just slapped at the end of a game set in 1984 for cheap fanservice

Kojima was right to restrain himself
Anonymous No.717750275
>>717744528
>Metal Gear isn't really a powerscaling oriented series
wtf are you talking about?
this has nothing with powerscaling shit. mgsv ending turned Big Boss from a powerful charismatic bad ass soldier to a manipulative coward.
Anonymous No.717750867 >>717751672 >>717752102
>>717749013
He could have had Sutherland say 39 lines and have enough budget freed up for pay for Hayter to show up and do 40 lines as Solid Snake.
Anonymous No.717751672
>>717750867
Anonymous No.717751805 >>717751947
>>717738947 (OP)
Big Boss was ruined the moment you could play as him in 3
Anonymous No.717751947
>>717751805
This is why MGS3 is overrated slop
Anonymous No.717751972
>>717749770
>remake
Fuck off nigger
Anonymous No.717752102 >>717752261
>>717750867
>>717749013
>>717748248
Hayter was the more expensive choice given his union.
Anonymous No.717752261 >>717753097
>>717752102
doubt.jpg
Anonymous No.717753097 >>717753573 >>717754081
>>717752261
I mean, yeah, he was. Sutherland is a professional actor, sure, but unionized actors receive an increased payment for every reprisal.
For David Hayter, depending on how they view it, that would either by his fourth & fifth times playing the same character (Big Boss) or his 12th and 13th (that is likely also why he never reprised his role for the Snake Sword DLC for Revengeance, which is just a sword that talks like Snake).

There was also the whole thing of the role necessitating mocap that was more similar to professional acting, which necessitated actors more familiar with that.
A final thing to keep in mind is that for Metal Gear, English actors are not Kojima's focus. His voice cast is the Japanese cast, and his Snake is Akio Ootsuka, who voices him in every game. Kojima's involvement with the English dub was, in fact, very limited beyond wanting further script checking after MGS1 and 2 up until MGSV where mocap became an integral part of the process.
Anonymous No.717753573
>>717753097
So Japanese got the same VA for Venom Snake (and I presume Ishmael) that they had all along?
Anonymous No.717754081 >>717754172 >>717756051
>>717753097
crazy how people sperg out about Hayter but for some this guy has always been the one and only Snake
Anonymous No.717754172 >>717756251 >>717757502
>>717754081
Dubfags are mentally ill
Anonymous No.717754848 >>717754994 >>717755020
>>717746269
I really dont think venom got killed that easy by snake, the franchise really needs a remake of the first game because i refuse to believe that a mecha killing guy got defeated by a literal rookie, also fob missions are canon so they borderline imposible to sneak in fobs were also perfectly infiltrated by venom.
Anonymous No.717754914
>>717747160
I hate fanservicefags like you so much.
Anonymous No.717754994 >>717755142 >>717756081
>>717746269
>jobbed to Solid Snake
>takes like 10 rockets to the chest
>actual Big Boss is burned to death with hairspray
retarded BiBo fanboy shit
>>717754848
>remake
No thanks
Anonymous No.717755020 >>717755332
>>717754848
Venom actually puts up a fight compared to BB who gets burned into a coma by a lighter and spray can. It took like 6 rockets to kill Venom.
Anonymous No.717755142 >>717762163
>>717754994
>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Anonymous No.717755332 >>717755395 >>717755530
>>717755020
It still makes no sense with venom experience either the fight ended in seconds or solid snake was blessed by fucking god to win, i think venom survived and let snake win as part of plan or something.
Anonymous No.717755395 >>717757394
>>717755332
>how is the test tube baby bred to be a perfect soldier so damn good!?
Anonymous No.717755471
>>717738947 (OP)
proving that there is no magic genes
if a big boss becomes a communist then he is a communist and if a random medic becomes a big boss then he is a big boss
you arent born inferior you just need to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and have sex to save japan
Anonymous No.717755530
>>717755332
This sounds exactly like Big Boss fanboy copes from pre-V, so Im begging you to stop
Anonymous No.717755652
>>717738947 (OP)
3 is the only good MGS
Anonymous No.717755917 >>717756012 >>717756715
>"I have to go now. My planet needs me."
>Note: Sahelanthropus died on the way back to its home planet.
Anonymous No.717756012 >>717756715
>>717755917
canonically got destroyed in KOTF and the scraps were taken back to motherbase
Anonymous No.717756051
>>717754081
Nah, Banjo Ginga voiced Liquid
Anonymous No.717756081 >>717756159
>>717739892
>>717754994
>BiBo
autism
Anonymous No.717756094
>>717739892
Don't forget
>Big Boss somehow biked out of Cyprus
Anonymous No.717756159
>>717756081
You fags were the ones who came up with that shit, I like using it now as a slur for that faggot
Anonymous No.717756251 >>717756414 >>717757854
>>717754172
Anonymous No.717756305
>>717740271
There's big boss/ some other guy with a gun in the reflection of the water
Anonymous No.717756306 >>717756478
>>717745338
>retcons MG1 Big Boss into Venom who dies as a nobody and barely putting up a fight (making the entire plot twist quite redundant honestly)
from the moment venom was created he is destined to die as a nobody and be the fall guy. anything else would've actually made the plot twist meaningless.
Anonymous No.717756414
>>717756251
Take your meds, cletus
Anonymous No.717756478 >>717757280
>>717756306
Venom's existence makes everything Big Boss is said to do up for debate, so cope
Anonymous No.717756686 >>717757373
>um akshually Kojima had little part in writing MGSV and shouldn’t be credited with its success
>um akshually Kojima had a big part in writing MGSV and should be blamed for its dogshit story
Kojima Derangement Syndrome hard at work
Anonymous No.717756715
>>717755917
>>717756012
Canonically it got isekai'd into MG Survive. Which doesn't make much sense when you consider Survive takes place 9 years before Sahelantropus was finished being built.
Anonymous No.717756721 >>717764428
>>717738947 (OP)
Doppelgangers have already been used before in MGS and kojihack loves recycling shit from previous games. You rike?
Anonymous No.717756873
>>717738947 (OP)
>Why did Kojima ruin Big Boss' character so hard in MGS3?
Fixed it for you.
Kojima doesn't know how to write an ending.
NO, CHAPTER 3 DOESN'T COUNT. RELEASING IT WON'T FIX SHIT.
HE DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO QUIT AND WRAP UP A STORY.
Anonymous No.717757280 >>717757405
>>717756478
Outer Heaven was created by BB, Venom acted as leadership when BB fucked around with FoxHound.
Zanzibar land was created entirely by BB.
at best, 25-30% of BB's accomplishments post V are attributed to venom and, that's a generous number
Anonymous No.717757373
>>717756686
>Everything GODjima touches is pure kino and every metal gear under his blessed name is peak gaming
What do you call this phenomenon?
Anonymous No.717757394
>>717755395
Yeah, even Kojima mentions solid is boring, even compares him to a monster
Anonymous No.717757405 >>717759103
>>717757280
>25-30% of BB's accomplishments post V are attributed to venom
And which are those in your personal headcanon?
Anonymous No.717757435 >>717757819 >>717758290
>"What about him?" pre-release trailer with Kaz looking straight at the camera
>game proper starts with a literal character creation screen
>"We changed your face."
>Ishmael is obviously voiced by Keifer Sutherland, does Big Boss stuff and you get a time paradox game over if you kill him
>Venom doesn't know Russian
>DNA test reveals Liquid isn't Venom's clone
>*DUN DUN DUUN!* "Facts do not exist, there are only interpretations." t. Nietzsche
Did Kojimer actually think the finale was going to be a big twist or was this whole shitshow ending just a result of development hell and cut content? I'm wondering if the devs were originally planning you to play as Big Boss' subordinate for the whole run, technically the same thing we got but instead revealing the switcheroo at the very beginning of the game, like MGS2 did with Solid and Raiden between Tanker and Plant chapters. The foreshadowing is just way too obvious.
Anonymous No.717757502
>>717754172
No one on this gay earth has ever played with Japanese audio for this series.
Anonymous No.717757819 >>717758005
>>717757435
I didn’t see it coming. Hindsight is 20/20. I assumed the character creator was some online content shit
Anonymous No.717757854
>>717756251
>attempts to refute with an image of the ONE weeaboo on earth who actually fucking made it
Baka-desu...
Anonymous No.717758005
>>717757819
same
Anonymous No.717758027
>>717749770
>Kojima was right to restrain himself
As in...?
Anonymous No.717758290
>>717757435
>whoa, there's been retcons in the most retconned series of all time?
> i wonder if it means something...
whenever something dumb happens everyone just rightly assumes it's because Kojima's a hack, not that it's leading to something meaningful
Anonymous No.717758613
>>717740056
It’s a bad game with a great game loop
Anonymous No.717759103
>>717757405
>the real big boss is working separately from us to create his new nation new nation, a military nation above and apart from all the true outer heaven something created to maintain world balance independent of the struggles for supremacy for personal profit the cycles of revenge between countries.
Ocelot to Kaz, in the ending of MGSV
Anonymous No.717759916
Twin Snakes is underrated and actually fits the series more than the original game, seeing as how Kojima made every game after 1 super over the top and dramatic like Twin Snakes is.
Anonymous No.717760012 >>717760491 >>717760598
My takeaway from MGSV is that Liquid got killed off way too fast
Anonymous No.717760491
>>717760012
He never made a villain better than Liquid
Anonymous No.717760598
>>717760012
A Platinum FOXHOUND game could have been so cool.
Anonymous No.717762163
>>717755142
Is that mg2? Did snake loose his weapons?
Anonymous No.717763089
>>717739892
I like the shrapnel growing into a horn
Anonymous No.717764428
>>717756721
Am I the only one wishing for outer heaven? Big boss world president when?