Thread 717743384

Is /v/ a Gondor board or a Rohan board?

>>717743384 (OP)
Rohan, imagine not even having a king and having to settle for some shitty steward.

>>717743384 (OP)
>all lotr mods for total war make Gondor (and other factions) wear plate armor
Goddamit, setting should look early medieval.

Neither. Both Gondor and Rohan represent strands of English culture and cannot be accurately mapped onto the non-English. It's the equivalent of blacks thinking tanned anime characters are representative of them.

>>717743556
Agreed.
They're just copying da movies.

>>717743556
Plate armour is cooler.

>>717743384 (OP)
/v/ is a GOONdor thread

>>717743708
>Gondor
>English
Wut
They represent Byzantine
Even Rohan is barely English, its a mix of Norse, Celt and Mongol horse culture

>>717743384 (OP)
Rohan because the movies made gondor look like total jobbers

>>717743556
How come it's been like 7000 years since creation and the best armor anyone thought of was chainmail? Not even the numenorians thought of plate armor? Kinda whack Tolkien idk

The payments have been declined
4chan calls for aid

>>717744010
It's because middle-earth follows the traditional degradation cycle of history as found in Hindu culture. Meaning each age is shittier than the previous age.

Gondor because I like infantry more than cavalry normally. Too bad they're always modeled after the movies. I know why Jackson did it the way he did, and they look fine for a movie, but the chainmail/nasal helm/long shield aesthetic like in OP is absolute peak and I want to see more of it.

>>717744240
It's from Greece you philistine. Men of gold, men of silver, men of bronze.

>>717744240
It's literally Christianity. There was a period of eden, then an original sin, and then the fall which is ongoing.

>>717744398
it's global
It's how traditional cultures perceived the world

>>717744010
Its an underappreciated aesthetic. Also dwarven mithril chainmail shits all over plate from our world anyways.

>>717744321
Stylish for centuries god damn

>>717743843
That's just your opinion.
>>717744010
It's an aesthetic joice. Tolkien also cared more about other things, than worldbuilding about technology.

>>717744036
We cannot pay...
We cannot pay...

>>717745119
>>717743556
>Gondor should aesthetically be carbon copy of the Byzantines because Mordor = Islamic Anatolia/Turks
that's boring thougheverbeit.

Why is the entirety of Middle-Earth varying states of medieval but the Shire is closer to 16th- early 19th century with their own post office and fairly early modern contrivances?

>>717747248
Gondor is Franks, orcs are their own thing.

>>717747645
It's not. Every other city has post offices and such. i think Minas Tirith has a postmaster who has to go up and down the entire series of gates every single day.

>>717743890
Rohan is massively Anglo-Saxon you retard.

/v/ is a Moria board
>Once a fun place with lots of angry but honest retards, normalfags wouldn't dare to enter
>Now long desecrated by subhuman tourists and the dark forces of corporate evil, abandoned by its original denizens

>>717744321
What flag is the one with the snakes and the birds?

>>717748370
Who's the Balrog?

>>717743384 (OP)
>The most stale, generic fantasy setting imaginable
None, LotR fucking blows.

>>717748449
Abib

>>717748449
Troons.

>>717748468
>>The most stale, generic fantasy setting imaginable
That would be your beloved isekai setting though

>>717748468
Go to bed GRRM you fat fuck

>>717743384 (OP)
False dichotomy propagated by Mordor divide and conquer agents.

>>717748468
That doesn't really apply to Lord of the Rings as it's pretty much the forefather of modern fantasy. It's the original. How is the original, "stale" and "generic"?

>>717743384 (OP)
/v/ is an Isengard board

>>717743384 (OP)
Easterling

>>717748656
Martin loves LOTR, with that one quote he just explained his own different approach to fantasy.

>>717744518
it's a simple biological fact that old men (who usually are in charge and write down history and religion) hate modernity and new generations and love the times when they were young because they are old now and don't understand new trends

>>717748449
jannies

>>717748402
Duchy of Milan

>>717748727
Based blacked fanatic

>>717745119
>Also dwarven mithril chainmail shits all over plate from our world anyways
Chainmail doesn't stop the blunt impact of a mace (or any weapon) no matter what material it is made from. I would favor a steel plate armor over a mithril chainmail any day because of that.
Oh, and about that scene where frodo's mithril chainmail saved him from being impaled by that troll's spear: realistically that impact should still have turned his insides into mush.
Which begs the question: Why not wear plate made from mithril?

>>717751468
In the book it's not a Troll but an Orc Chieftan

>>717743556
the LotR mod for Warband follows the designs from the book

For me, it's Arnor

>>717743384 (OP)
The Lord of the Rings edition of Risk is really good

>>717751943
It does not. Why lie?

>>717751995
What happened to them? Is Bree all that's left? Where did the people go

>>717752141
They got Witch King'd after the Kingdom was split in three and the population collapsed without the unity of resources it had during it's golden age.

>>717752141
>What happened to them?
fucked by pic related and his Kingdom of Angmar there in the north
>Where did the people go
Dead, scattered, fled or went gorilla warfare like Aragorn and his ranger lads

>>717751995
Reminds me of that DOGSHIT mmo.

>>717752141
initially a civil war that split the realm into three, rhudaur was little more than a puppet state for angmar and eventually all three either were annexed or overrun by angmar, right after though gondor did show up to help, too little too late though and did annihilate the forces of angmar but the last king of arnor figured that it wasn't a good idea to refound the realm what with the entire area war ravaged and depopulated so he started being the first chieftain of the dunedain

>>717752278
It did take six hundred years, and was made worse because the king drowned when the Elves came to pick him up from his hideout with the eskimo.

>>717743384 (OP)
I stand with Orthanc

Nargothrond or Gondolin?

>>717743384 (OP)
>Rohan royal guard look cool as fuck, lore is neat too. This is their best warriors
>in the movie they are on screen for about 10 second scenes, one is showing them failing to guard the king, another is them getting killed by wargs, and the other is running away when the witch king shows up, abandoning the king
Gondor. Book version of Gondor is cooler too.

>>717752626
Tolkien is such a hack, this shit is Isekai-tier.

WHERE WAS ROHAN WHEN ARNOR FELL

>>717743384 (OP)
I don't care for Tolkientrash
GRRM won

>>717752124
bro I just got done playing it
it's mostly tabards over chainmail outside of the occasional pauldrons and vambraces

>>717753401
Trying too hard, lad.

>>717753686
No, I'm simply stating it how it is
Tolkien (the actual books especially) suck and are full of gay artificial plot devices and terrible, fucking terrible plot armor

>>717753906
lol

>>717753906
okay

>>717752141
Complicated, but many died from plagues or wars. And region still remains sparsely populated anyway.

>>717752626
>>717743384 (OP)
>Nargothrond or Gondolin?

Menegroth

only tallchads in interracial relationships (the TRVE aryan way) will understand

the sindar were the best elves ruled by the best leader and the only "great" elves that had an actual elvish culture instead of a weird artificial pet-valar one

>>717752814
childhood is thinking gondor is the the best. adulthood is realizing rohan was the chad all along

the book had the tiny side story with elfwine or whatever going around saving people and beating back orcs. those middlemen really put gondor to shame

Théoden and his dilemma with riding to gondors aide is one of my favorite parts of the book. leaving too early with too few riders vs leaving too late to save minas tirith. and then he finds the messenger from minas tirith dead on the road and realizes that they never received word that rohan would honor their alliance and ride to their aide... ;_:

i imagine that first gondor soldier waiting for the city to fall and get gang raped to death, hearing orc and evil men blow their horns all through the day but then one morning he realizes one horn blast sounds a little different and stands up to look over the wall and sees the assembled rohirim with their flags blowing and swords raised to the air charging to death and ruin...

Arise now, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Dire deeds awake: dark is it eastward.
Let horse be bridled, horn be sounded!
Forth Eorlingas!

Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor

>>717748449
ecelebs

>>717752141
After the sack of Fornost, even with the following victory by the gondorian king, Arnor collapsed. Split into 3 successor states, Cardolan Arthedain and Rhudaur iirc
Cardolan got plagued
Arthedain got plagued and war'd
Rhudaur ended up getting corrupted
Bree is the northern city of what used to be Cardolan

>>717758078
>>717751995
>>717752403
how the hell is the shire so close to all of this and never encountered any of it? i mean it looks like its literally the largest population area next to the capital and has a direct road to it

>>717758235
>The Shire-folk survived, though war swept over them and most of them fled into hiding. To the help of the king they sent some archers who never returned; and others went also to the battle in which Angmar was overthrown (of which more is said in the annals of the South). Afterwards in the peace that followed the Shire-folk ruled themselves and prospered. They chose a Thain to take the place of the King, and were content; though for a long time many still looked for the return of the King. But at last that hope was forgotten, and remained only in the saying When the King comes back, used of some good that could not be achieved, or of some evil that could not be amended. The first Shire-thain was one Bucca of the Marish, from whom the Oldbucks claimed descent. He became Thain in 379 of our reckoning (1979).

>>717758341
>sending a few archers

thats what you would expect from some distance fringe area, not the core area of your realm and the suburb of your capital

>>717758481
they pretty much were a fringe area
nobody paid the hobbits mind
not even Sauron knew of the existence of the hobbits until he tortured it out of Smeagol
they minded their own business and were left alone in turn

>>717743384 (OP)
I think nobody would ever think of LoTR as "generic fantasy" if any of the big adaptations actually followed the migration era, early medieval chainmail-fest aesthetic it's supposed to have

>>717756910
Thingol really should have put it in the terms and conditions that the Dwarves couldn't take the silmaril as payment.

>>717759375
It would look cool, at least. Not a kitchen sing of different periods like the movies did it.

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