You can post ITT only if you 1cc'd at least one arcade shmup. Otherwise, how can you even say you enjoy challenge and gameplay?

>>717751046 (OP)
What's with the bee? Why bee?

>>717751176
Dodonpachi. The True Last Boss is a mecha-bee.
I will let you figure out the rest of the joke.

Apparently no one qualified

The thread would die to quickly if that's the case
>implying that /v/ plays videogames

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1cc'd Time Crisis 2 does that count

>>717752251
Very different genre but ok sure

I hate it when the game is easy but the last boss is super hard. This is particularly frustrating when there are no save states or training mode. You have to play the entire game that you have no problem with, just to get raped by the last boss multiple times.

>>717752847
What gaem?

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1cc'd Binding of Issac

>>717752950
Not a shmup, not an arcade game. GTFO

>>717752934
nta but zeroranger is like this, although the last boss isn't super hard it is noticeably harder than the rest of the game which is pretty easy

>>717752982
says who

>>717753013
Me

>>717753013
Also me

>>717752950
Have you finally been kicked out of the roguelike threads?

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1 CCed Zero Ranger
took me around 40 hours

>>717751046 (OP)
My first arcade 1cc was 2-2 Ketsui (omote). Anyway, I'm kind of done with level design as the core of gameplay nowadays, I prefer thing like CoD, Fifa, old pes, etc

>>717753471
Grats, but try actual arcade shmups.

>>717753510
Interesting swing but alright.

>>717753471
Ayy, congratz. Not an actual arcade shmup, but tries to be one; take it as you will, but I still congratulate you
Have you played any game from the Donpachi series?

>>717751046 (OP)
what is density of gameplay?

>>717753704
I tried the original Donpachi a bit, but wasn't motivated to continue.

>>717753736
When you are actually playing the game instead of watching cutscenes or just moving ahead while the characters talk in an unskippable cutscene that pretends to be gameplay

>>717753953
Ok, but what is gameplay? are VNs games? what defines "playing" the game?

is a loaded concept and is very subjective.

>>717751046 (OP)
If you actually care about gameplay density you should be looking at clicker games. Arcade games still have too much downtime.

>>717754023
>are VNs games?
No, they are novels

>>717753736

Honestly? It's a term borrowed from a youtuber who talks about gameplay design in arcade games, and this board has used it as a buzzword, but it's not entirely far-fetched; it refers to the amount of meaningful decisions you can make and that the game prompts you to make during a certain amount of time. Shmups, at least the well-designed ones, force you at all times to press buttons at the risk of the game itself snowballing on you.

>>717754148
Does it really have any depth if there is not even a penalty for not clicking, or a risk for doing so?

I've no-miss cleared over 50 arcade games. They are largely shallow, memo trash and there are only a couple dozen that are even worth your time at all.

>>717755985
Proof?

>>717755985
>I've no-miss cleared over 50 arcade games.
I remember that pasta.

I have 1CC’d several arcade shmups and can say with confidence morks gay ass game design theories are all stupid as fuck

>>717755782
Density has nothing to do with depth or risk.

>>717756018
https://youtube.com/@formlessx/videos

>>717756163
"Gameplay" does though. You can't have games with no lose states.

>>717751046 (OP)
Fixed

>>717756296
More empty space is bad, that's the point.
Also arcade is pay to play, not free to play.

>>717756397
>More empty space is bad, that's the point.
Yeah, he expressed that. The AAA game is bigger but has a lot more empty space.

>>717756273
Puzzles games are not games?

My favourite genre > your favourite genre.

>>717756451
That's not the point of the pic and you know it.

>>717756480
If it's VN-style with puzzles, barely.
If it's like puzzle bobble, you can lose there.

>>717756214
Proves nothing.

>>717756273
>You can't have games with no lose states.
You literally can.
Define "game" for us, use an english dictionary as a source.

>>717756560
>That's not the point of the pic and you know it.
I literally don't know how you're interpreting it in any other way. There's more empty space because those games take more time, but it's also way less dense.

>>717756661
>Define "game" for us, use an english dictionary as a source.
Why are you asking me for a definition only to say that I should copypaste a dictionary in the same sentence? You can do that yourself.

>>717756739
I'd like to know why you know more than the dictionary about the use/definitions of words.
If your source is "I made it up" your "definition" is factually untrue.
Go ahead.

>>717756560
>barely.
So they are? For example, is Return of the Obra Dinn a game?

>>717756273
You can make games with degrees of failure/success, but no discrete lose or end states, as long as taking any action advances the game state.
Games are just "following rules + motivation".

>>717756985
Look at sports, there is a definite win and lose state, generally involving scoring more than the opponent(s), claiming an objective before they do, and so on.
Look at tabletop, aside from pure RP-focused stuff you can lose, and to an extent it applies even in those because your characters can get killed, but you are allowed to retry with another character.
Even solitaire, a singleplayer card game has a lose state.

Of course it goes without saying that vidya started out exactly the same way, only latter they made shit like moviegames or VNs.
You don't need a dictionary to observe reality.

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1cc'd Dodonpachi daifukkatsu. Dunno if it counts since it has auto bomb. I also made it to the second loop and it cost me 4 or 5 credits to clear.

>>717756296
>Free to play if you pay

>>717757285
>Posted no definition
>Posted no sources
Thanks for confirming your made-up definition isn't factual.

>>717757289
>I 1cc'd Dodonpachi daifukkatsu. Dunno if it counts since it has auto bomb.
Sure it counts. Not exactly your fault if the devs decided to put auto bomb as a mechanic and don't even allow you to disable it outside of black label.

>>717751046 (OP)
I only ever 1cc'd an indie PC shmup pretending to be a PCE game, does that count?

>>717757389
>muh sources override actual facts
Go back

>>717757402
One of the 3 styles disable it. The one that let you switch between big lazor and smoll lazor.

>>717757389
>>717757469
You two should kiss

>>717757469
>actual facts
You haven't posted any. That's what I was asking you do to, and you refused.

>>717757285
>solitaire, a singleplayer card game
You can't have games with just one player.

>>717757452
Which one

>>717757508
Actually not, Power style still has auto bomb except you need to get the bomb from enemy carriers first. The fun fact is that it doesn't let you bomb manually instead.

>>717757534
These are actual factual realities that exist.

>>717757569
What did he mean by this.

>>717751230
Qrd on the rest of the joke?

>>717757640
>He still can't post 1 piece of evidence to support his claim
Why not? What are you scared of?

>>717757646
... just look at the game anon.

>>717757708
The existence of these kind of games, and the fact they all include lose states is the proof. I think you are just fucking retarded.

>>717757569

>>717757780
>He still can't post 1 (one) source that agrees with his definition
Lol

>>717757898
>muh sources
Go the fuck back to R*ddit.

>>717757939
>He's still crying
lol

So how is Earthion? I don't trust youtuber to be impartial when it comes to a new MD games made by famous people.

>>717756991
>is Return of the Obra Dinn a game?
Looks like one of these point & click interactive mysteries but idk.
I would say those get close if you are allowed to give wrong answers and get a fail state for doing so.

>>717753736
It comes from viewing the basic unit of a game as kind of a story of
>obstacle
>choice
>outcome
When you start viewing games through this lens, you notice that this very rarely repeats in open world games. You can go minutes before your next obstacle, and much longer before any real obstacle. But in an arcade game, that basic unit is almost constantly repeating.
As far as I know, a youtuber named Electric Underground popularised the concept, and I have definitely found it helpful for explaining why I always felt a certain way about some games.

>>717758218
Pushing a hoop with a stick is a game.
There is no win or lose condition, you just stop when you're done.

>>717757217
To "game" is to risk something hoping to achieve something else, if the former is missing then you aren't gaming.

>>717758325
Add a scoring system and you have an actual arcade game.

>>717758463
It's still a game regardless.

>>717751046 (OP)
Uhhhhh I 1cc'd gradius on the nes does that count?

>>717758549
Good enough!
Try the NES Gradius II as well

>>717757886
>>717757640
>What did he mean by this.
Same logic really. I don't wanna try to actually define stuff so I just "observe reality". Sports require other people to compete with. Tabletop RPGs are played with at least two people. Even proper card games like poker require more than one person. The first real video games were recreations of tic tac toe, nim and tennis. Solitaire meanwhile? Get real. Might as well get your Tarot cards and do a reading. Same thing ultimately.

>>717758463
How many arcade games let you just throw a coin and score indefinitely without ever threatening your "lives"?

Posting.

>>717757640
>Which one
RagingBlasters

>>717758017
The soundtrack is fucking sick as expected of Koshiro and I don't care about the rest.

>>717758752
You can claim you are competing with the devs to a certain extent, since they designed the challenge you have to overcome, and gave you definite winning or lose states.

All this and still, Cookie Clicker has no depth

This shit is trippy as fuck
10/10
Which character is easier for beginner? I tried the 17yo and the green one and couldn't really control their familiars properly

>>717759275
Not sure myself but I see people using Rosa like you do.

>>717759275
>Which character is easier for beginner?
Rosa

>>717759134
That's nonsense. I'm not competing against the desingers of a LEGO set when I build it.

>>717759656
Possibly because building lego isn't a game

>>717759691
Exactly. Just like """single player games""" aren't games.

>>717758691
I will! It was tough the few times I tried (kept jobbing to crystals) but I'll come back and try again. I just remembered I also did 1cc nes salamander a while ago. I like the looks and sounds of konami's nes library so that's why I even bothered playing those shmups.

>>717759734
GTFO of this thread then, shmups are single player.

>>717759905
I'm just confused why someone would post about toys on a video GAME board.

>>717757569

>>717756214
proves everything, thanks anon

>>717761424
If it's really him, it proves he's salty as shit about getting 30 views at most. No one does all these no miss runs only to say how much they hate arcade games, unless they are cheated or something.

>>717761553
People can learn to be objective about what they like, I spent a lot of hours on gacha trash but will openly admit it's garbage

>>717756214
If you are really him, have you considered playing for score?

>>717761631
If you can spend all that time playing them, and even going as far as doing a self-imposed challenge other than 1cc and high score, you sure as fuck don't dislike the activity.

>>717761706
Of course not I just said
>about what they like
He obviously likes the games but recognizes they're memoslop

>>717761764
>but recognizes they're memoslop
Specifically because he claims to have done that, he would know there is more than memo. That's shit you can debunk even by doing 5cc or some shit.

>>717761857
To be fair he didn't say it was 100% memo. He said most arcade games were largely memo which is true

>>717757289
>>717757402
I always thought auto-bomb was the beginner's trap of the game since they have fewer iframes and if you don't use your bombs manually the rank won't go down unless you die.

>>717761945
Some have more memo than others for sure. Like no one in their right mind would claim Psikyo shmups aren't very explicitly designed to be that, but you also wouldn't ever say it about something like TSS.

>>717761956
1.5 or black label? But yeah, either way in actual difficult sections you should be bombing manually instead of waiting to get hit.

>>717756296
Inaccurate. phone games are too dense

>>717762205
>you should be bombing manually instead of waiting to get hit
but if i DON'T get hit by just dodging i'll get to save a bomb i can use later when i REALLY need it

>>717762354
You cut down the amount of bombs required in sections like the laser wheels tho, because you have a lot more time to reposition if you fuck it up.

>>717756397
>>717756451
>>717756560
I made that pic and I'm not pretending the Open-world is better
But OW isn't really bad in itself.

I should've just wrote "AAA slop" to suggest they artificially increase the duration of the game and make it look grander than it actually is.

>>717757363
>F2P wants you to waste hours grinding for basic shit or cosmetics
>F2P if you pay you get most of the content easy or faster

What clears are (You) working on?

>>717755397
The problem is that already exists as a term
It's called pace

>>717756397
>Also arcade is pay to play, not free to play.
Meant them as separate line btw, I'll accept any other word to describe games designed to be extra short, sacrificing gameplay if it must, and the shit that waste our time without having gameplay

>>717757363
"F2P" is a lie, it's always "Pay to not grind"

>>717762228
>Inaccurate. phone games are too dense
Devil advocate here, I've seen phone game still more sophisticated than what pass of as console/PC game. They know people play on their phone while commuting.

>they always mention shmups
>never Tetris or PuyoPuyo
How come?

>>717764434
Can do everything except final boss, waiting for good RNG.
Haven't played today though, don't feel like running every day and don't have much to practice at this point.

>>717761945
I've been playing shmups for a while now and aside from the hardest 1ccs like Futari Ultra or DOJWL, the difficulty is mostly overhyped. There's very little interest in them from the general public. A lot of the attention comes from boomers watching early Youtube videos titled HARDEST VIDEO GAME BOSS EVER for a Touhou boss and claiming they beat that too with no evidence. Most shmups are like 80% memo and routing, even more so if you actually use your resources.

The biggest barrier is how to practice efficiently for hard parts in the run and knowing what parts to bomb through. Restarting at stage 1 to practice stage 5 is the real "difficulty" not because it's hard, but tedious as fuck. MAME savestates and Touhou's universal practice tool for example make the process so much easier.

>>717764792
>HARDEST VIDEO GAME BOSS EVER for a Touhou boss
The original was actually Futari final boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaDoc3-Myo8

>>717762354
If you don't use bombs you're just making your hyper shittier so what's the point?

>>717764792
>the difficulty is mostly overhyped
Also wanted to say, it's not like the difficulty is overhyped, you just got gud at it since you play a lot. Keep in mind most people aren't that good at understanding even basic techniques, let alone deal with situations that require good positioning, and certainly not overlapping patterns in danmaku games. They don't even know where you look at the screen.
Shmups are inherently overwhelming, but once you get past all that noise then yeah, it will feel like only few games don't bend to simple strategy, some minor routing and actually playing the stages more than once.

>>717751046 (OP)
I recently 1CC'd Radiant Silvergun and it was a ton of fun. Fucking hate bullet hells personally, give me some shit with actual level design and not this bullet vomit crap. Shit like R-Type and Gradius are my jam.

>>717766636
>give me some shit with actual level design and not this bullet vomit crap.
The bullets are the level. Also, Dodonpachi

>>717752934
ESP Ra De is like this but if you can get there with all your resources you can probably force your way through.

>>717761672
I already did for a few games, including a WR, but not really something I care about in most games.

>>717761553
I'd rather have one real interest view than 10,000 fake interest views. I would still be going for these clears regardless, so it's not like it's some huge effort to upload these. I just press record before the run and upscale with ffmpeg.

>>717767497
>I'd rather have one real interest view than 10,000 fake interest views
Yep, butthurt. And a /vg/ schizo too.

>>717766696
>The bullets are the level.
Yes and no. Imagine if the "level design" in a platformer was created by enemies who spawn platforms and spikes at you, and you kill enemies ahead of time to control what platforms and spikes you want them to spawn. In terms of "level design" it would be a amorphous mess, and in the case of bullet hells, it is.
>Also, Dodonpachi
I tried it but it didn't hold my interest. I'm guessing the level design part comes in later?

>>717767664
Apples to oranges comparison. It's really unfair to compare a platformer with a scrolling shooter

>>717767664
>I'm guessing the level design part comes in later?
Depends on how far you got in. DDP specifically gets better each stage, although the first 3 aren't too interesting. DOJ already shows some cool stage design at the second, but goes overdrive in stage 4. DFK has very cool stages all around except the very first, SDOJ too.

>>717765021
>Futari final boss
pretty sure it was just BL

>>717768704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZuidKexBQ
It's her, the cunt. Without the TLB form tho.

>>717768790
oh kek that one
the turbo ass video quality doesnt help either

>>717768790
>video is Futari Ultra
>description links Black Label
What did westoids mean by this

I 1ccd Jamestown on the highest difficulty, also fuck John Smith

>>717769065
weebs in the 2000s were cringe and retarded

Auto bomb

*siiiiip*

>>717751046 (OP)
>open world
>large stages
>compact levels

>>717751046 (OP)
>NEW BAD
>OLD GOOD

>>717772849
This was never proven incorrect though

>>717772849
Correct.

Bomb harder

>>717751046 (OP)
I quit arcade SHMUPs for rhythm games.
I never looked back.

>>717775695
whats a good place to start for rhythm games?

>>717772849
This but unironically

>>717776389
Taiko is good

>>717775695
>quit shitty, autistic memo arcade games
>for even more shitty, more autistic, more memo rhythm games
Holy cringe

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1cc'd EoSD on normal

>>717778721
Not a real shmup

>>717778764
>it's popular so it doesn't count
It's a real shmup

Rhythm games are peak densities gameplay. Biggest inputs per second = biggest density. You can't refute this

>>717778764
It is, by definition, a shmup, but not an arcade one

>>717779095
Good thing OP specified arcade shmup then

>>717779049
ADOFAI is peak gameplay then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPGfTA2880

Thoughts on the upcoming Platypus remake?
https://x.com/ClaymaticGames/status/1954290649206816890

>>717779209
Koreans have autism

>>717778625
Rhythm games are more fun and have better music.

>>717776389
Konami has an entire games division called Bemani that's all about making rhythm games. You could start with any of those. Dance Dance Revolution is their best known work.

>>717765318
>recoil particles that blend in with the bullets
thanks i hate it

>>717753013
my 2 boyfriends that already replied to you so yeah, you're done.

>>717751046 (OP)
I have, Touhou 8 easy moddo. Fight me.

>>717779873
Congratz

>>717779774
iidx is their best known and is considered the highest skill cap rhythm game. Ddr is a western meme
>>717776389
Start with what you have access to. The most accessible good rhythm game is arcaea. Djmax only requires a keyboard but i personally dont like it. If you have an arcade near you start with what people are playing there, near me it's maimai

Next get into what you want. Listen to some osts, look at some controllers. Prepare to buy or build your own controller thats close to original arcade hardware. Me personally I play arcaea on mobile and iidx on arcade stick. Going to build a taiko controller later because its cheap and i like the gameplay. Used to play miku when i had a switch

There is no such thing as gameplay density, you can't quantify gameplay like that.
Arcade design is just padding microgames with knowledge checks and to analyse the patterns, hitboxes and iframes, pay up piggie. Actually, most people in arcades would credit feed to victory, nobody gave a fuck about 1cc.

>>717780430
DDR is universal enough so much so that it replaced the previous common acronym understanding of DDR (Deutsche Demokratische Republik - aka East Germany).
Nobody outside of Japan and maybe Korea has heard of the Beatmania series. DDR meanwhile was so big you saw it in (nicer) schools.

I know this becauze I got drunk and played frogger once at the barcade. Trans btw :3

>>717780982
Fnf is universal. Normies gravitate towards 4k because its less intimidating. If you like it good for you but i dont see the value in ddr over a conventional rhythm game like iidx popn voltex etc

>>717781214
Ddr helps you stop being fat

>>717780708
>nobody gave a fuck about 1cc
Let's see how you credit feed through games like giga wing or gradius 3.

>>717781340
Go to the gym and then when you finish play a real rhythm game

>>717780708
>nobody gave a fuck about 1cc.
Bro? Your score?

Like I said before anons
Ignore 99% of /v/ threads
Ignore 995 of /vr/ threads
Stop watching any gaming youtuber outside maybe two exceptions
Stop watching and reading reviews
Stop caring about discussion and le discourse
Things are now enjoyable again ever since I stopped entering threads that will make me mad and argue with anons

>>717781449
DDR is a real rhythm game. It's even better than real sex.

>>717754023
>>717753736
It's a retarded concept a fraud youtuber invented that literally means if you aren't smashing the controller a million times a second then there's no gameplay
It ignores every single other aspect of the art form and is just a horrible way to look at games in general
Of course /v/ thinks he's LE BASED HE'S TELLING IT LIKE IT IS but /v/ doesn't play games

>>717759275
>watch a review of the game
>whole 3 minute rant about how heckin problematic the fictional pixels were
Americans are weird

>>717782153
but what about your score bro

>>717764725
Because shmupfags get filtered by anything outside shmups, genuinely
Morks favourite game should be Tetris, or at least a TGM entry, due to its "density", but he's never done a Tetris video because he hasn't played it seriously
Similarly, he gets hard filtered by so-called easy modern games like Vanquish and Bayonetta, when according to him, he should easily crush them

>le ´"1 c c "´ cope
Arcade slop was the mobile of its day: predatory p2w rubbish designed to extract money from marks.

>>717782269
>there's no gameplay
Actually it's that there's less gameplay

>>717782750
>>717782580
Noclearz cope

>>717782874
>cope
Mork hasn't beaten Vanquish on god hard, hasn't played TGM, hasn't played rhythm games, hasn't played Bayonetta, hasn't played Wonderful 101, hasn't played all kinds of games that are harder to clear and more difficult than shmups

As someone who has 1cc'd a handful of arcade games, most of it comes down to dedication. I wouldn't really brag about it since I believe anyone can do it with enough time

>>717782959
Post your clears of doj mushi silvergun garegga etc

>>717783110
What? Mork literally advocates for beating games on the highest difficulty, yet he made a Vanquish video without doing so and his God Hand video was utterly pathetic
If he wants to be a shmup autist, fine, I even liked him when he was niche and just a shmup guy, but this retarded shit he's trying of being a hyper expert in all games and "proving" how bad all modern games are is just idiotic

>>717783110
is he supposed to post a replay or a screenshot or what?

>>717783110
>post your clears
If the Japanese can rely on "dude trust me I did it at Arcadia bro :^)" then so can I

>>717751046 (OP)
>shmup
there's that jewish niggery word again, maybe try going back to reďdit, you fucking retarded zoomer faggot

>>717783054
Larper

>>717751176
its a reference to exed exes, aka "savage bees" in the west

>>717783334
>jewish niggery word
what did he mean by this

>>717783432
i meant go the fuck back you triple retarded nigger

>>717783184
You sound like you play jarpigs

Heya /v/

>>717783517
Gibberish post
Not sure why you're so adamant about defending this fraud

>>717783568
>one liner vs wall of text
>ur le adamant and not me >:(

>>717783636
>discussing things on a discussion forum is bad
I can see why you'd think Mork was intelligent if this is the level we're at

>>717783723
>Mork
You're like a kindergarten girl with a crush. You cant even write the man's name without getting all flustered

See what happens with arcadefags? You literally cannot have a discussion at all

>>717783406
it's not that big of an achievement mate, no need to rp about it

>>717783956
my favourite poster

>>717783054
You could say this about any game. But what ultimately separates men IS the humility and dedication.

>>717782870
that's the fallacy, from what I've gathered for that person Gameplay=pushing buttons when reality couldn't be further from the truth.

>plays silent hill like this
>ignores the story
>ignores the atmosphere
>ignores everything outside combat
I can't tell if he's just a genuine autist that doesn't understand holistic design or if he's being deliberately dishonest

>>717784712
I think it's more so a combination of reflex, decision making and timing/precision. So if you're playing a game where you have to spend a minute traveling to your destination without many obstacles before engaging in some meaningful gameplay, that would be considered less dense than if you hadn't had to travel there in the first place

>>717784851
hope he reviews the new silent hill as an action game as well

>>717784982
He said it's about how many "meaningful decisions" you are doing every instant, and shmups have pretty high density because you have to commit both to a long term strategy (resources and routing), make short term tactical movements(positioning to control and stay within the flow of enemies/bullets), and finally reactions(quick spot dodging and "panic bombing"). All of this happens with very few breaks in-between, and the autoscrolling is relentless, as more enemies will spawn on screen whether you are done or not, and the surviving ones will move closer to the bottom where they are more dangerous to the player.

>>717785745
That thinking only applies to arcade games and hell even only shmups, it's beyond retarded to apply that to all games all the time

>>717785832
Shmups are particularly high on the scale, but density is supposedly quantifiable depending on the game.

>>717784851
>click thread about shmups
>scroll down
>see this post
>i'm expected to know who the hell it's about

>>717786061
Sure anon sure

>>717786061
/shmupg/ fuckers don't actually care about games, they just like to shitpost about them and gossip about ecelebs.

>>717753736
they just mean pacing/tempo

>>717786849
That's wrong because pacing says nothing about how many interactions are actually meaningful.

I 1cc'd cyber owls

>>717756480
Puzzles are not games inherently.

Favorite Toaplan shmup?

>>717787357

>>717786929
meaningless interactions dont contribute to pacing/tempo

>>717786929
Games that forces its own pace on players, forcing them to be on high alert constantly are intense but the fuck is meaningful. DUDE LETS DROP SPIKES EVERYWHERE DUDE SO DENSE EVERY PIXEL IS DEATH SO MEANINGFUL

>>717786061
a shitty youtuber that is trying to do it full time is shilling every single day.

>>717784982
>I think it's more so a combination of reflex, decision making and timing/precision.
then we're not talking about gameplay here becau7se gameplay isn't just "quantifiable" by reaction, gameplay is also a combination of the system within the game that can enhance the experience, (eg. a game with shit navigation menus vs one with slick transitions, doesn't involve reaction but it is gameplay) and that doesn't take in account underlying factors that might or might not be under the control of the player.

The term is loaded in the instance he's unsing it, at the end of the day he should have said "I like this gameplay more" instead of trying to create a quantifiable concept with VERY subjective arguments.

>>717787357
post your baba clear

>>717787795
They do though. A game where your character always moves forward at high speed would be fast paced for sure, for the sake of argument let's argue there are obstacles close to each other... but if your HP just allows you to tank most of them then the actual gameplay density is very low. Very few interactions will be meaningful.

>>717787876
Wdym? It's meaningful because if you aren't keeping up it's game over.

>>717786562
shmups are the ultimate poser genre, arena shooters right behind them. It's never about playing, enjoying these titles it always was about feeling cool for "liking" something that somebody else had to beat by doing numerous pixel perfect movements, but not them.
Same thing with arena shooters, none of these cunts ever play Quake 3, trying to master the maps, movement and aiming. It's about bragging to "normies" about their second hand accomplishment. Niche genres mostly populated with secondaries.

It's truly telling that whenever I make a shmup thread that isn't some obvious ragebait shit it dies instantly
Shmupfags literally do not play

https://streamable.com/8tvfqa

>>717788543
Type A truly showing why it's best.
I wouldn't dare using hyper on this boss especially not on the final pattern on type B.

>>717782374
He really went there.

nohit lvl1 malenia is more impressive than any shmup clear sorry

>>717789286
What if the shmup clear is also nohit

ShumpGODS

>>717789380
maybe if they can clear it on a dancepad

>>717783184
>Mork literally advocates for beating games on the highest difficulty
False. He actually advocates for not beating games at all before reviewing them. Watch his game critique is dead video two hours in for the humiliation ritual. Hacked saves or bust.

>>717789443
If you have to do that shit to make souls hard, that makes shmups more impressive

>>717789485
>2 and a half hours of rambling about nonsense
Do you have a timestamp?

>>717789542
No, it just makes it harder, and people like to do wacky things for the challenge
Then again it's weird how according to you shmupfags, all modern games are easy, yet your premier shmup youtuber cannot clear modern games on the hardest difficulty like Vanquish and DMC 3
Curious indeed

>>717789802
You think Mork is the best shmup player ever lived or what?
Not even the best western player.
>makes it harder
If you have to gimp yourself until you are playing with your GODDAMN FOOT then no, it's not difficult. No one does this shit in shmups.

>>717789734
Check the chapters or some shit. It's near end.

>>717790027
Mork is not only the greatest shmup player who ever lived, but the greatest fighting game player, greatest arcade gamer in general, and the greatest human being to ever live
When Mork speaks, I listen
When Mork does something seemingly retarded or hypocritical, I used to think he was a know nothing fraud retard, but now I understand that this is part of his 750 IQ master plan to btfo games journalists

>>717790145

holy SHIT lol
https://youtu.be/o7Q8GAMdFwA?t=7861
This is pathetic

>>717788626
Yeah
https://streamable.com/r7jc8t

>>717790274
Yet another group of shallow IGN progressionwhores who don't understand The Gospel of Mork
All those words, all that bullshit, when they could've just watched the video and realise that if it ain't presented by Cave it ain't worth presenting
Mork-sama used that Rabi Ribi footage as a way to btfo loser incels and prove how un-dense modern games are

boghog helppp

>>717788108
>meaningful because if you aren't keeping up it's game over.
So we are talking about the game's imposed pacing. Cause arcades don't want people to spend too much time on a single quarter. The meaning of arcades is to mash buttons for a minute and get the fuck out of here if you don't have money.
Cause of this "density" arcade games suck dick, they are 10 minute one trick ponies that stagnated to cookie cutter beat em ups, shmups and fighting games whereas consoles inovated and tried to do more. Non arcade design isn't stingy with time, it can offer all sorts of mechanics and people are allowed to slowly get accustomed to them. Arcade design inherently is braindead, you can't drown the player with long tutorials so the only way to spice it up is to add more death traps, keep minmaxing. With Danmakus arcade design reached its peak, braindead 2 button games but minmaxed to 11 where a single pixel can fuck you over.

Meaningful is totally subjective, some people enjoy open games that lets them explore, games that let them choose their pace. You can beat morrowind in 10 minutes but there are enough quests to play it for dozens of hours. Some people enjoy seeing that mountain and trying to reach the top. Some people enjoy 200 apm bpm memoshit, some find it worthless. Density is a shit term.

>>717788108
you're conflating pace with everything that can have pace, a fast paced story doesn't necessarily mean a fast pace of gameplay, a game where you traverse the entire solar system quickly doesn't necessarily mean a fast pace
take elite dangerous for instance, your character, when they are in their ship, moves forward at an incredibly fast speed, it's hardly a fast paced game, but according to you it must be

>>717790381
He is no different.

>>717790447
See those slight pauses? That is not dense gameplay and you might as well be watching a movie
Btw I haven't made a video on Kaizo hacks or super difficult Mario Maker levels because uhhhhhhhh.... well they're TOO EASY for a shmupgod like me

There's always schizos, even on fucking shmups

>>717790550
Psh just more proof of IGNorance from the retards that gave God Hand a bad review
Now why does Mork not know anything about games and doesn't clear games before making a video about them? Again this is part of his immense genius
You see, first off, he can just intuit if a game is good, as seen in his "game critique is dead" video, and second, the games he play are so dense, so mechanically rich (despite mechanics being a crutch), that it's simply impossible to understand them

>>717783956

>>717790463
Your post is very low density because despite the high amount of letters, there's barely any real argument about the actual gameplay, and straight up wrong about danmaku style shmups which are more forgiving than average. Slow precise micrododging is better than one single fuck you bullet coming out at max speed and hitting your fat hitbox because you weren't close enough to seal the tank.
Also the word "meaningful" is used very specifically in the context of how much your actions are influencing your odds to win, not on a personal enjoyment level.

>>717790689
Holy fucking kek

>>717790463
Yeah, many people don't want to play games at all. They would rather immerse themselves in digital interactive experiences.

Reading these threads make me want to glass all of you retards that don't understand games as an art form
Imagine if you were seething that there were films that were slow paced and immersive and not 2 hours of nonstop action, you'd rightfully be called a philistine

>vidyagaems
>art

I wonder when Mork has to wait at a traffic light if he gets upset at the lack of density in the road system

>>717751046 (OP)
i recently 1ccd blue revolver on easy mode does that count? its my only clear in the genre

>>717752934
FF1 and FF4 in the Pixel Remasters (I didn't play the others)

>>717751046 (OP)
I've finished Lilo & Stitch on GBA, which is a Metal Slug clone... does that count?

>start outzone
>having fun time
>die
>get sent back to a checkpoint instead of being able to just continue where i left off
>now have to regain all power I lost
aaaand dropped

>>717792129
Run n' gun, not a shmup

>its a juju episode
so bazically

>>717751046 (OP)
Play disfigure on steam you'll like it

>>717792404
Learn 2 recover, anon

>>717792841
Truth is revealed

>>717751046 (OP)
I did a full loop of Galaga on a few different machines with 1 credit each (I only ever get to use 1 credit because I play too long otherwise).

>>717791397
imagine a music track that's 5 minutes long, but is 4 minutes and 55 seconds of silence and 5 seconds of melody
and every time you want to listen to the melody again you have to sit through waiting through the silence
a lot of albums end on hidden tracks like that
maybe you can jerk off and call it toodeepforyou art but I'm just gonna cut the song and only keep the melody portion, feel free to call me a philistine for it

I've been through Ninja Gaiden twice without taking a hit

>>717793285
ENTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTEFKFiXSx4
Also your comparison is fucking retarded

>>717790937
Not much to talk about, arcade gameplay is mashing a single attack button for 6 empty short levels, if you have played the Punisher and TMNT you have experienced half of what arcades offered during its last decade of relevancy, you can select a dozen titles and never bother with the rest, all the same shit. But the true experience, the arcade meta, its about using 3948765 save states on mame while spending 100 hours grinding individual sections, exploiting the rank systems, rant about scoring even though you play for survival, copying routing from other playthroughs on youtube and never getting the 1cc but still acting pompous. Or just watch jaimers doing a clear and pretend to be an expert, the mork strat.

>>717791325
Now you are intentionally going to the other extreme. There is a huge space between arcade memoshit and walking sims.

>>717793729
what do you play anon?

>>717751046 (OP)
So did some retard just discover shmups for the first time

>>717793285
Couldn't he just have used the horse?

>>717793469
Post it

>>717793872
gradius

>>717793729
Do u like AVP?

>>717788032
Baba has fail states in levels.

>>717751046 (OP)
Roguelites are modern day arcade density, but still people complain.

This is how this kind of gameplay is allowed to live on.

>>717794526
You mean states that require you to press undo.

Wait a minute, hold on a second, something's occurring to me...wait....maybe, different genres exist...and arcade games are just one design philosophy? Holy shit...
I feel enlightened

>>717794895
yes, that is failure
did you know that you're not failing if you reload your save?

>>717795014
It's as much of a fail state as moving a block in the wrong direction.

>>717794974
The thing is, arcade games are also not designed to be 1cc'd. They are not meant to be 1cc'd. Otherwise they'd make no money.

>>717791936
Well at least you're proof against all the anti-JRPG discordians. JRPGs are actual IQ filters.

>>717792404
1CC or perish.

>>717795205
So now you get to be pedantic?
>Uh defeat doesn't mean defeat because I can reload my last move.
I bet you're going to redefine all games as puzzles.

There's also the issue of thinking "only combat constitutes as gameplay"

>>717795214
Most arcade games yeah, but in the case of shmups, at least those from the 90s onwards (and some from the late 80s), they were designed to be cleared with one credit, using methods such as taking away all your score, or blocking content such as loops if you used continues.

>>717795441
It's not reloading, it's undoing. Different mechanics.

>>717751046 (OP)
I don't really understand, shmups are just memorization games where eventually you will 1cc everything because you essentially have to memorize everything to play them in the first place.

>>717795990
It's the same type of person who has to prove himself to his fellow normalfags for headpats. It's like that fag who learns magic tricks.

Mork won.

>>717796943
Won the worlds biggest fraud award

I THINK HARD CORPS UPRISING SUCKS

>>717797395
I THINK YOU SUCK

>>717751176
It's a subtle insult.
>Just bee yourself
while saying the bee is incredibly dense.

>>717796943
Incoherent yapping award
Dunning-Kruger award
Failed clone of Matthewmatosis and Turbo Button award

>>717797971
Matthewmatosis at least has actual clears, unlike Mork who just has memoslop clears
It's hilarious that Mork can't clear DMC 1 no hit S rank or VJ V rank but Matt can

>>717797971
>yapping
Brown skin detected.

>>717798072
unc mad

>>717798124
You still have brown skin doe.

>>717798163
I may be brown, but so are you

>>717755985
>I've no-miss cleared over 50 arcade games. They are largely shallow, memo trash and there are only a couple dozen that are even worth your time at all.
Why do you play them so intensely if you despise them?
And which ones do you consider worthwhile then?

>>717798208
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Pablo. Not going to dox myself for your Eglin base gooners.

>>717798263
Okay Sanjay.

>>717798281
Ok Sargeant Rodriguez.

>>717798039
Matt got humiliated by DS2. It proved he's like IQ

>you're brown
>nu-uh you're brown
>yeah well you're browner
quality discussion as usual

>>717798461
Post hand. Brownoid.

>>717798461
>one of them outright admits it
>one of them says "I don't care if you think that, you're brown"
HMMMMMMMMM

I would like to say that I just beat the enlightenment challenge in ZR

>>717787391
Anyone?

>>717755985
There's something kind of disappointing about arcade games. Really fun gameplay, but it's often missing something that console games of the time had.

Today I discovered page down button

>>717800313
Today I discovered the hispanic question.

>>717800313
it's a good button

>>717751046 (OP)
Fantasy Zone
Super Fantasy Zone
OutRun
Gradius
Gley Lancer
Axelay (used continues)

>>717751176
shmup bullet hell joke. There's a tiny ship at the bottom

>>717751046 (OP)
i went through contra with the konami code and i still almost failed

>mork doesn't have a rez direct assault 1cc
kwab

>>717800396
You should check out M2's remake of Fantasy Zone II, it basically re-imagines it for the hardware the first game was on.

>>717800341

>>717794485
I'm not super familiar with that one but it was fun when I gave it a test run, not something I was thinking of clearing now. Listen, I like and play almost every genre, game snobs can suck my ass. No such thing as the definitive game or game design. Getting into shmups you learn that the entire community is filled with midwit mork types.
>>717797395
I bet it's not as bad as Garegga, fuck raizing
>>717798930
They all tell a different story. Like, I'm fond of slap fight and vimana cause they are nice introductions into the genre. Hard to pick.
>>717799939
Yeah man, I'd rather live in a world that has megaman x and castlevania but no final fight than the reverse

I 1cc’d blazing lazers like Kanye West.

>>717800823
The nigger you worship has never played video games.

>>717800812
>filled with midwit mork types
Where did he go wrong? What happened for him to be this laughing stock?

>>717800945
He played Blazing Lazers on the Turbo Grafx, Kanye’s favorite system ever and he’s a true gamer because a fake gamer would not know about the Turbo Grafx 16.

>>717801170
Good goy.

>>717751046 (OP)
whats the best arecade shmup to 1cc?

>>717801206
Crazy Taxi

>>717801204
*Goy.

>>717801152
A few years ago he pivoted from being a shmup autist to thinking he somehow knows about deep game design in all sorts of differing games and genres, and it's clear he doesn't

>>717801280
You want the word to be capitalized? Yeah, you're a good Goy.
>rubs your head

>>717751046 (OP)
>more button press mean more gooder

>>717801494
what are they gonna do with all the cash they win?

>>717798461
>t. brownoid

>>717801313
Hehe, thanks.

>>717801596
You're my best goy.

>>717801553
More gambling, duh.

1 cc? what does this mean

>>717801553
Give the money to their sons and daughters. Kikes btfo.

>>717801295
>and it's clear he doesn't
People are calling out his bullshit then? Figures. Seems many flipped on him whenever he talks about a game you know basic shit about.

>>717801790
Trannies think that extreme bullet hells are actual games.

>>717801494
Why do burger boomers do this shit why don't they form social clubs and hang out or do Charity work or some shit most non burger nigger pensioners do?

>>717801939
Why did you Randomly Capitalize Charity? Are you a bot? Did the jews murder JFK, bomb the USS Liberty, and bomb the Twin Towers?

Do Deathsmiles and Futari BL count?

>>717801993
I didn't my phone auto correct for some reason I blame niggers capitalizing evrything making the ai thinking that is normal

>>717801152
pretending to know about games he never played, how about that. i doubt he even beat 50 games, he is hyperfocused on few titles and yet he wants to be a fulltime youtuber that blabbers about game design. Nobody has a gun pointed at him, he doesn't have to pretend to be an expert superplayer familiar with every single game. He is a very a dumb person that desperatly wants to be perceived as smart, he clearly has ego issues. Incoherent rambling. Contradicting himself all the time, he wants to be a deep thinker but he didn't think enough if he keeps contradicting himself, he is clueless about his own ideas. His grand ideas are arbitrary as fuck. Wanting to have easy internet money without even doing basic research for his videos, not even playing some of the games he reviewed.

I liked Mark more when he was just a golly gee whiz Idaho hick desperately trying to fit in to the shmup community. I don't know who gave him the idea that YouTube hot takes were "art" but his ego is inflated beyond measure now. When he live streams and holds court for his sycophants it makes me sick.

>>717802507
>(((Mark)))

>>717800749
This is why I love /v/, because no matter how much bullshit is out there in the site and in the World, sometimes I'll simply get honest to goodness good fucking games sent my way. I will be playing FSIIDX, and I am amazed at the fact they remade it in original arcade style. I love the original so much.

>>717802587

boghog sucks just as much. I played gunvein and there's a mandatory like 2 minute loading screen everytime you start the fucking game. these faggots should not be talking about game design in any sort of authoritative way. should be asked to reveal what type of coding credentials he even has after being so vague about it but pretending it gives him more validity... just like mutahar

>>717802780

>>717801623
Yaaay

>>717802587
Awesome! I hope you enjoy it, FSIIDX is my favorite game in the series, it's basically like the first game but with various QoL improvements.
>>717802652
>>717802816
Selfies belong on /soc/

>>717802841
>selfies belong on /soc/
Tell it to your fellow shabbos goyim.

I beat Dead Cells 5BC on a Cursed Sword only run three times. Can I post ITT?

>>717803095
No.

What drives those faggots to save those pics?

>>717751046 (OP)
I don't know what cc or schmup means
I played a shitload of pinball and ddr, does that count

>What drives those faggots to save those pics?

>>717803095
5BC is artificial slop with a disease meter.

>>717803197
He's a third worlder lashing out thoughtlessly.

>He's a third worlder lashing out thoughtlessly.

>>717802070
Yes

>>717800812
>no final fight than the reverse

I can't really say that for sure. 2 and 3 suck dick, but 1's great and it's obviously the template for tons and tons of amazing games.

>>717803647
You're jewish and you haven't played shit.

>>717782269
>It ignores every single other aspect of the art form and is just a horrible way to look at games in general
games are supposed to be fun, not a fucking movie

I think arcade games and open world slop suffer problems at entirely opposite ends of the spectrum. Arcade games refuse to give you any sort of overarching structure or meaning, immediate fun and gratification but nothing really sticks, often not elaborated upon as well as it could be.
Open world slop holds the fun hostage, it's rationed out to you one skill point at a time, mechanics that could very well just be core mechanics in a game a few years ago are now locked away in some tree. And you keep telling yourself it's all for the eventual big fun that never actually comes.

>>717782269
Video games aren't art.

>>717751176
>he never played Mushihime-sama

>>717803647
Eh, I prefer console game design of the NES and SNES gens more than what was available at arcade at the time. Shit like Zelda or Megaman can only exist on a home system.

>>717804791
>Shit like Zelda or Megaman can only exist on a home system.

That's true. It's hard to explain, but it seems like arcade games just refuse to give you something like Megaman. Even though Megaman games are still short games.

>>717805045

>>717804186
>>717804401
>these are the kinds of retards now on /v/

>>717805209
Cool it with the antisemitsm.

>>717805209
Welcome to the modern internet.

bump

good morning sirs

>>717807459
You need to ragebait with Mork.

coin feeding this dead thread
fuck mork

>>717810048
What converted you against Mork?

>>717810160
Him being a massive fucking retarded fraud?
I don't know why he thinks he's an expert on design because he can clear a few arcade games, his videos on non-arcade games are fucking woeful

>>717810160
playing silent hill in xray vision

I swear it's not a dsp vid with mork overlaid

>>717810509
Did he think the shield was decorative or something? Or maybe the shield mechanic was too much of a crutch for him

>>717810509

I should've known he was a fraud when his God Hand gameplay was just him abusing high kick wall splat in the first 3 levels of the game over and over. How did he 2-all DDP lol

I told you before, it's because shmupfags only play shmups and get filtered by actual games
As to why this is, I'm not too sure, but it's a common pattern

>>717810750
>in the first 3 levels of the game
He never clears these games. Why do you think we only see first mission gameplay for DMC3?

>>717784851
Did he review the story? No. So who cares?

>>717811778
>make a review
>cut out huge aspects of the work
>this is somehow a legitimate way to review
Guess I don't understand retards like you

>>717811947
Every review has to be the same?

>>717804186
movies can be fun though?

Hate how all my favorite threads are infested with schizos currently.
And it's not even just on /v/ or other vidya boards. When did 4chan turn like this? It wasn't always this bad.

>>717812094
TRUMP
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TRUMP

>>717811981
This has to be bait, no one is this fucking stupid right

>>717812147
Election tourists you mean? I suppose that caused an influx of the worst the site has to offer, but it's been nearly 10 years now.

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1 ccd the die hard arcade game if that counts

shmups are kinda mid doe

>>717812094
>>717812235
A lot of it is sharty I would assume. You know, the ones so schizo they literally took down the whole site

>>717812386
They don't even get to claim that, it was one guy who found a file upload vulnerability on his own and apparently wasn't a regular on the sharty, so he committed the very serious crime of genuinely appreciating an anime franchise there and got shat on.

>/v/ has turned on Mork

>>717812912
He was good when he was just a shmup autist, but like I said, this shift into "im totally an expert on every game ever" bullshit exposed him as a fraud that literally doesn't understand or clear games

>>717812980
This. Scope creep is a bitch.

>>717812912
I never gave a shit about ecelebs, I just like shmups.

Time Pilot chads, how was your last flight?

>ctrl + f mork
>27 results
Is he the new /v/ boogieman? Why does he trigger /v/irgins so much?

>>717814067
>trigger
no one is LE TRIGGERED by him, we just think it's hilarious he pretends to be some amazing expert on all game design yet can't even clear modern games and doesn't know shit

>>717814067
He likes gameplay. The one thing you can properly experience just by watching YouTube, so of course /v/ hates him, nobody plays anything here.

>>717814164
This is cope beyond cope
He's a fucking idiot that doesn't understand the art form let alone the games he pretends to love

>>717814164
can't properly*

>>717814212
See? Immediate seethe. That's what's so triggering about Mork.
His takes aren't always good even about the shmups he likes so much, but his heart is set in the right place.

>>717814067
it's just one triggered DMC baby who's still salty he got bullied by team ninja gods once

>>717814390
OK faggot, if he's such a god gamer why hasn't he cleared Vanquish, why hasn't he cleared tons of difficult modern games yet seethes at them? Why does he need to download save files for DMC? Why does he get filtered by anything outside shmups?

>>717814067
you forgot to add haha to your post...

>>717814489
>if he's such a god gamer
No one believes that, not even Mork himself. He is just the guy telling you that gameplay matters, or that high difficulty helps creating depth as opposed to random "+0.5% to enemies with 3 legs during hail" bullshit, you are the one who doesn't appreciate the medium if you want to dismiss what makes it unique compared to reading books or watching movies.

>>717814642
OK retard if gameplay matters so much why does he make videos on games he hasn't cleared?
Why doesn't he understand games on a fundamental level?
Why does he posture himself as a game design expert when he has never been a dev, never made a game and doesn't understand anything outside shmups and even then that's pretty iffy?

I tried but I got tired of trying the same thing over and over. It felt like what speedtrannies do, a completely autistic pursuit.

>>717814715
>why does he make videos on games he hasn't cleared?
Because that's not a requirement to make a statement about gameplay as a whole. At worst you can contest specific opinions on one game.
>Why doesn't he understand games on a fundamental level?
That means what exactly?
>Why does he posture himself as a game design expert when he has never been a dev
Unironically, players tend to know better than devs since they are the ones actually experiencing game design firsthand, outside of programming stuff.

>>717814786
fucking lmfao
Mork himself advocates clearing games on the hardest difficulty yet it's OK for him not to do it before reviewing a game, but IGN are evil for also being casuals?
Hypocrite

>>717814740
Gitting gud at vidya is really just that when it comes down to it. If you can win without having to improve at a task, then the game is easy or mostly determined by factors that aren't skill(i.e. bigger numbers or luck).

>>717814821
>Mork himself advocates clearing games on the hardest difficulty yet it's OK for him not to do it before reviewing a game
With that I can't agree, although it depends on what he's talking about. Like if he is just telling you about a shmup port, features and technical info such as input lag, yeah you don't really need to clear anything to speak of these things to potential buyers.

>>717814489
why do you seethe so hard little DMC baby lol

>>717814957
>>717814965
>makes a vanquish review
>doesn't clear god hard
>no bayonetta video
>no wonderful 101 video
>no doom eternal video
>video about how max difficulty is great
>constantly seethes and just literally makes shit up about modern action games
>boghog ghostwrites his videos anyway and he's just as retarded

>>717766636
How long did it take you to 1cc radiant silvergun? I feel like I'm busting my ass trying to optimize my levelling as much as possible and I still haven't learnt a majority of the bosses because I want to be able to actually do damage

>>717815059
Are you bitching about him NOT making videos now? Also you will have to be more specific about what he's making up.

Wish I could say "don't make shmup threads with the Mork pic" but faggots are going to talk about him anyway so w/e.
Have some Junis instead and play Sengoku Blade.

>>717751046 (OP)
>if you 1cc'd at least one arcade shmup
Why would I do this? Antique primitive genre with primitive gameplay, not worth my time.
To prove something to someone? Maybe if my penis was small I would be bothered to, but thankfully it's not small.

>>717815685
>play Sengoku Blade.
Stick around even through this shit, Junis poster. We need more Sengoku Blade fans.

why are shmup threads invariably derailed by whining about discord trannies or something instead of talking about video games? who fucking cares about eceleb faggot shit?
anyways i want to have rough handholding sex with windia from deathsmiles. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

>>717815059
ok but whats your ddp score

>>717815831
I'm a relatively new one to Sengoku Blade specifically but it was a cool game. Have the stage 4 boss rush
https://streamable.com/2re5nd
Although in reality I unironically prefer dying once here because otherwise stage 5 turns insane due to high rank.

>>717815484
>>717815484
No you stupid fucking faggot, WHY DID HE MAKE A VANQUISH VIDEO WITHOUT CLEARING GOD HARD?

>>717815981

he's too busy writing his dmc3 book

What is the easiest shoot them up to start with?

>>717815059
>>boghog ghostwrites his videos anyway and he's just as retarded
is this real? kek.

>>717804205
>Arcade games refuse to give you any sort of overarching structure or meaning, immediate fun and gratification but nothing really sticks, often not elaborated upon as well as it could be.
Score. Learn by experience
>>717804791
Zelda is based on an arcade game and megaman is a certain way because of design limitations. In the 80s there was more variety in what arcade games were. It wasn't like today where eveeything is 2 or 3 styles and that's it.

>>717816196
Blue Revolver

>>717815980
>I'm a relatively new one to Sengoku Blade
I remember reading your update posts trying to get your clear. Tough one so good shit getting it done.
>Have the stage 4 boss rush
I don't mind the boss rush being memo. Consistent strats are fun.
>otherwise stage 5 turns insane due to high rank.
Tell me about it lol

>>717816196
The one you like.
If you are going to 1cc, it needs to be a game you really want to play a lot, because it's what you will be doing before a successful run happens.

>>717816217
Not sure. However he does mention many times Hog said this or Bog said that. He refers to him for many discussion points quite often.

>>717815802
It's still fun and offers a challenge not found in modern gaming. It took over a decade to beat inbachi. There's few feats left like that in console style games. Maybe un-segmented deathless/hitless runs of certain games but part of that is a single slip up ruining hours and hours of otherwise flawless gameplay as opposed to minutes of seemingly insurmountable challenge.

>>717816469
hm I see, gay lovers and all haha

>>717816196
The earlier ones from the 80s are often quite easier. As time progressed they got harder and harder

>>717816374
>Consistent strats are fun.
Psikyo is certainly satisfying in that sense. You don't achieve as much consistency in other shmups usually.

>>717816196
DEVIL BLADE REBOOT

>>717817605
Jaimers is cool though. You will always find him with a video of a shmup you never played and he will make it look cool too, without doing anything but playing it well.

>>717816965
Psikyo supremacy

where do rapesims fit in this list

AHHH MORK

>>717752934
Tales of zestiria

>boghog
>DJ420PRAISEIT
>HughMungus
>Panzerdragoonshouldhavebeenarcade
>Retroshmupper
>ShmupJunkie
>Tanzarian
>Zav
>Zenryoku
>Zingus
Imagine being Aндpeй Лыкoв and Mork doesn't read your name

Memorize THIS
*unzips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svn01KiWJKk *

>>717821375
This entire boss fight is a big fat middle finger from CAVE.

>>717751046 (OP)
I 1 Carate Chopped your mom in half, loser. Now step aside and let a REAL man post ITT in this thread

Puzzle, rhythm and some platformer games are dense

>>717756397
>More empty space is bad,
Source?

>pay to play, not free to play
They're clearly different categories sharing the same "density" horoscope sign.

>>717823152
>Source?
Literally anyone who plays videogames.
Complaining about empty open worlds is especially common because yeah you aren't really doing shit with more space, but nothing to fill it.

>>717752934
Astral Chain

It seems shmups are the new FOtM genre with hipster faggots. What genre will be next?

>>717823004
jumping is a crutch sorry

>>717824870
Why the sudden surge in interest?

>>717824870
Racing games

>>717824870
That month felt like 30 whole years for me.
I'd wager most people who actually play in these threads also old fucks.

>>717801494
Look at that, not a phone in sight, everyone's just enjoying the moment, wholesome.

>>717824870
Rhythm

>>717824870
Don't tell this anon we had semi-regular /v/ threads for almost an entire year

>>717751176
It's a subtle insult.
>Busy work

Has anyone here ever got a 2-ALL? How much time did you put into It?

>>717810750
>How did he 2-all DDP lol
DSP used to win tournaments in fighting games, that doesn't equate to other games

>>717812094
it's unfortunate that there is a hate train against Mark. His video on radiant silvergun headstarted me on shmups

>>717823276
That's not a source, you silly goose. There is no such principle. Otherwise the best game out there would have literally no space to move. Empty space can be detrimental, but claiming it's just categorically bad is pretty dumb. It's all how it relates to pacing, aesthethics and such.

>>717817684
He’s like your friendly neighbor who blends well into society, but you might run into him at a racist bar, and he still gets along with people there mostly because they all share a common hobby

>>717751046 (OP)
I think shmups suck ass but I like super mario. that has a lot of gameplay. Desu.

>>717812094
Dead internet and deliberately making "unpalatable" internet places miserable for real users.

>>717816373
shill it as many times as you want Mork, I'm not gonna play euroshit

>>717751046 (OP)
>challenge
>learning to play the game like a robot to succeed
Every game where you die in 1 hit is a turd and always was

>>717829965
Have you tried not wasting all your extra lives and bombs?

>>717830282
I can understand wasting bombs by dying with them in stock, but how do you waste extra lives?

>>717830448
Opposite way around, I meant that you have a lot more than 1 mistake allowed actually because extra lives and bombs exist.

A turd. Rare should go out of business

>>717830282
Bombs are also a shitty mechanic
>establish 1 hit = death
>establish avoiding bullets & crashing into enemies is the gameplay
>give you bombs occasionally to not die when surrounded
>so now the game can just surround you so you can't really dodge except these tiny few pixel gaps which are not apparent
>and sometimes bombs are required to not die as there is nowhere to evade so you can't really use them
Shit game design

Games shouldn't really contradict themselves on major game mechanics

>>717830732
Usually bombs are your get out of jail card if you fail to manage enemies in a specific section and let bullets go out of hand.
I wouldn't play any game that does a resource check by forcing bombs, to be honest.

>>717830732
Have you tried not getting surrounded, it's almost like it's a genre where positioning matters.
Actual impossible dodges are extremely rare.

Every shmup is identical.

explain how i'm supposed to go down to the rocket in this pic >>717830901 when you can only shoot straight

>>717829562
NTA but the hate against Mork feels extremely forced by some schizos who act like jilted lovers or kiwitroons.

>>717830901
>>717830674

>>717831221
Isn't that a platformer?
In shmups you can freely move across the screen.

>>717831295
you can fly, but the only way to clear the mob below is to use a bomb. Pure dogshit

>>717831139
It's a gradual process of innovation. Some do it a bit better than others.

>>717831396
That's why you don't do weird genre mixing. It wouldn't be an issue in a shmup where you can just weave through the enemies, not to mention that you are not usually forced to grab stuff when the screen is crowded.

>>717756296
That f2p one should be like 10x longer and the guy pushing the box darker, or lighten the other ones

>>717752934
Definitely ZeroRanger. Fake difficulty.

>>717820282
for me it's COOK SOME SOUP

>>717824870
>the new FOtM genre with hipster faggots
how did you come to this conclusion?

>>717751046 (OP)
I've 1cc'd Devil Blade Reboot on easy and normal.
>No! I'm not good at SHMUPs even though ship designs and pixel art are like crack.
>R-Type Final 2 is impossible to me, let alone getting the right route for ship unlocks.
Success bias: DBR is fucking awesome. Right there with Daimahoo and Batrider.

>>717816196
>danmakushit
Like Dreamer
Batsugun Special Version
Mushihimesama (Steam version)
Giga Wing 1
Blue Revolver

>dadshit
Salamander/Life Force (US)
Vimana
Gunbird 1
Gradius II
1943 kai

>>717833359
>Devil Blade Reboot
I'm not sure if it's easy or simply good and fair design
>Encourage hyper aggressive play (the fun style)
>Attacks are telegraphed insanely well
>Replenishes bombs to 3 after each stage
>Gets a shield after each bomb - bombs are no longer reactive "oh shit" button, but you can proactively use one to anticipate hard sections
The only thing that rubs me the wrong way is the streamer mode, but it's a non-issue.

>>717829357
Yes on CHO REN SHA
>How much time did you put into It?
Not too much, around 10+ hours

>>717829357
I got burned out of looping after going for 4 of them in jikkyou oshaberi parodius. idk, repeating the same stages but harder and playing for all that time isn't really my thing, can't I just pick a higher difficulty instead?

>>717831139
They look identical to people who never played them.

Mark over here making /v/ trannies seethe again. Based.

>>717829357
Sonic Wings 3, 92 hours =3

i hate you
>>717810791
>I told you before, it's because shmupfags only play shmups and get filtered by actual games
iconoclast can beat any game including ninja gayden 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZdno-EIYFY
but shmups players cannot play multiplayer games just like most 4chan users

>>717842749
Yeah, that faggot leaning on the stick, it's me.

>>717779212
played the demo and really liked it. gonna buy it when it releases

bump limit, but at what cost