Thread 717758705

can anyone actually explain why this happens?

because games weren't meant to be taken seriously

>>717758705 (OP)
because its true

Modern games tie victory to either in-game progress or rank system.
World of Tanks is 15v15 and it is just as infuriating to play as any other "competitive" game, but at the very least you do feel more free in where you can go and do not have a definitive designated role that you MUST fulfil like in 5v5 games.
Best games from a mental perspective are the ones you jump in, play for how much you want and drop out.
Valve games with their 24-32 player servers, old Battlefields, Warband, and so on.

VERSUS
FIGHTING POLYGON TEAM

>>717758705 (OP)
Bigger team covers all the niches and then some, allowing for relaxed gameplay where you're not stressing about team vulnerabilities or everybody directly working together

More room to dick around

>>717758705 (OP)
Small team means that the impact of the weakest link is greater than if you had a bigger team. In Team Fortress 2 if you die it's not a big deal because you still have 11 guys fighting in your place. In Overwatch if you die then your team has lost 20% of its fighting power and is about to get steamrolled.

Top tries to be an E-sport
Bottom doesn’t (usually)

>>717759831
this
>overwatch
>NO YOU MUST HAVE A TANK AND A HEALER OR ELSE YOU WILL LOSE
>tf2
>can play whatever the fuck I want and still contribute towards winning

>>717759303
I stopped playing WoT because how no fun it is on higher tiers and players being obsessed with stats than game itself
I had most time when I played on tier 3 tanks

small teams == small maps
small maps mean every target is funneled into the same corridors and easily seen and addressed, primarily to account for how gamepad control is garbage, so targets need to always be near where the stick can quickly move

with large maps/teams, (you) can jump in, come from an unexpected angle, gib a bunch of other players, change the course of the match, and with kb+m controls actually keep track of where you are and where everyone else is.

>>717758705 (OP)
>Less players means the game is tighter, responsibility is all you. More players means you are allowed to have fun doing stupid shit.
Imagine that you have "fun" when you optimize the game to the frame and just freak-control the others frames.

>>717758705 (OP)
It’s harder to attribute blame to any one player in the second game, which means they become relaxed affairs where people can buddy up and have fun.

>>717760210
I usually stuck it out to tier 7/8.
Losing makes you feel like shit and snowballing happens way too often.

In that sense WT arcade feels less stressful, but there I only play up to tier 3 planes.

smaller teams also mean (you) will be targeted by both your team and the opposing team, meaning you're under pressure from both sides to perform. mistakes are quickly noticed and punished.

>>717758705 (OP)
5v5
>bigger spotlight on your failures and overall kda
>smaller circle of players so you will feel more humiliated being wrecked by the same player (and there's a vastly higher chance of this humiliation happening because of it)
>less opponents means less enemy variety and lower quality objective contesting

10+ v 10+
>constantly see new names, new builds and new strategies
>usually has vehicles and other fun group co-op support methods
>players die fast and often, so there's less shame in being stomped
>so many players that nobody is going to try put a spotlight on you, whether you're the best or worst in your team

>>717761841
>2v2
>greatest game ever made
name two examples

>>717758705 (OP)
I counted to make sure it was actually 12 vs 12.

>>717761927
Halo 1
Melee

>>717758705 (OP)
Games designed for 4-6 vs 4-6 are designed for esports becaue esports teams don't want to make big teams and therefore misery by default.
A 12v12 game, like TF2 for example, is going to have so much going on and is specifically designed to be a fun game. Look at how much they specifically left in TFC like grenades and shit because all the spam wasn't fun or adding depth.

>>717758705 (OP)
6v6 slayer is a game where you need to lock in and not fuck up.
BTB is a game to have fun

>>717761841
This is only true if we're talking irl matches

>>717758705 (OP)
devs have a harder time cranking up the SBMM when a match has more players

>>717760210
>being obsessed with stats than game itself
>Damage is random
>Accuracy is random
>Team mates are random
I honestly think these people are a joke

Diffusion of responsibility.

>>717758705 (OP)
less pressure
more opportunities for chaos

>>717758705 (OP)
job disguised as game
vs
game

>>717760151
It's crazy to think that the game that has a dedicated taunting system and rubs salt in the wound when you lose by making you defenseless and giving the enemy team crits is far far less toxic than the one that tries their fucking hardest to root out toxicity

>>717758705 (OP)
I miss Tribes 2 so god damn much

tangentially related, played one of the wow single-player things recently and was shocked at how the bots absolutely fucking melted literally every raid mob/boss. which conclusively tells me half my guild was just auto-attacking, or worse, on every encounter.

>>717764361
>At least tf2 is better
Yeah let's fucking ignore the
Trade scams, steam profile doxxing, cyber bullying, cp sprays, griefing, bots, bots spamming cp links, furry groom servers, cheaters, admin abuse, literal children,
Holy fuck. Fuck your game and your little community.

>>717764704
Some of the wow single player projects boost player/bot damage and health in raids to compensate for lack of coordination. Or may be outright missing boss mechanics.

>>717764813
i had all of that disabled. they couldn't move out of aoe of course so those fights were a wash.

>>717758705 (OP)
>3v3
Each person matters shitton, maps are small and smallest things can swing the victory
>15v15
Each person barely matters, maps are big and if someone actually swings the situation by themselves they are actually doing something really cool, also you can employ actual tactics on this scale even if ones based mostly on instincts

>>717764774
>implying OW doesn't have that but a million times worse
also I have never encountered anything you've said in my 3000 hours of TF2, why do you play on pedo servers?

>>717764774
>cp sprays
>bots spamming cp links
What the fuck I will play your game now.

>>717765002
Even in 15v15 usually you only need one guy who knows how to go fast and take the flag.
Unless it's like a team deathmatch then it doesn't matter.

>>717758705 (OP)
No sweaty compfags screaming in your ears to play x role for y counter.

>>717764774
>cp sprays, bots spamming cp links
oh man that's terrible tell me how to avoid this so i never see it i need specifics i'm truly terrified of playing tf2 now

>>717764774
reminder that the "CP sprays" was literally some journo with an axe to grind with Valve using a CP spray and looking for children to show porn to

>>717761927
Spies vs Mercs

>>717758705 (OP)
The more player there is, the less matchmaking they need, the less you care about scores.
It also leads to more randomness, diversifying how each game unfold.

Competition & wanting every game to be "e-sport ready" is what kill gaming.
You ain't playing to have fun anymore, you are playing to see who have the biggest dick and to perform in front of a public.

ITT casuals

No one here has a medal or trophy on their shelf

>>717764524
I miss Starsiege tribes so god damn much

It was THE game that truly brought 64 vs 64 players battles.

>>717764774
It's amazing how you can avoid 100% of this by just switching to a different server.

>>717768052
Being a casual is fun

>>717764524
I can still hear the background music

I still remember my reaction when I found out you could deploy cameras that you could view through a command interface that listed all the equipment your team would own

In that moment I had so much hope for how intricate and complex gaming could become, and now almost all all fps games are 10 players max

>>717768052
What do you want me to do, print my videogame rank jpeg and tape it to the wall?

>>717760151
t.he third fucking sniper on the 2fort battlements

>>717770340
>In that moment I had so much hope for how intricate and complex gaming could become, and now almost all all fps games are 10 players max
And you didn't kill yourself seeing what we got instead?
Impressive.

Tribes 2 was actually a downgrade compared to the first game which actually had deployable radar.
That said, the game was originally not built with skiing in mind, skiing was a bug that ascended to the main defining mechanic.

A big difference is that todays everyone play rigid classes that have their unique gimmick.
In Tribes, up to Ascend (and even then they eventually walked back), you could equip pretty much anything on the 3 size of armor, so if you want an invisible heavy, you can, but good luck moving fast enough to not be predictable.

>>717771665
Actually I'll take it back.
There's stuff Tribes 2 could do that Tribes 1 couldn't because of engine limitation.

fucking spider clamp turret

>>717758705 (OP)
Planetside 2 is for REAL NIGGAS

>>717764774
You're such a fucking faggot holy shit

>>717763735
They have an easier time with larger teams since SBMM for all its calculus is basically just trying to make teams as even as possible with a broad sum of perceived player skill. You don't need to put in as much work to get a similar level in teams if the teams are built out of 12 people vs 6 people.

It feels more violent in something like Call of Duty specifically because it has to make those "equal" teams with only 6 people each. So it might just jam one super competent person with a bunch of retards against a bunch of average players.
It's why back during the MWII/III days a lot of people just suggested the only fun game mode was 10vs10, partially because of that but also because IW-designed maps were so fucking huge and had so much dead space that increasing the player count per match was the only way matches would actually end through objective rather than ending because the timer ran out.

>>717772247
still better than everything else on the market

>>717758705 (OP)
>Top one
Can't hide you are dead weight
>Bottom one
Can hide the fact you are dead weight and a failure at everything (you) do.

It was a glorious fucking mess

>>717764774
All of this didn't exist during the golden age of TF2 btw. At worst you had gay porn sprayed in your face.
Sorry you missed out on kino because you couldn't buy the best bang for your buck game compilation ever made before the game's enshittification.