>Causes irreversible harm to your franchise
It didn't need to be this way....

>>717760512 (OP)
true, squaresoft merging into enix really did ruin the whole franchise

>>717761214
I dunno. FFXII was pretty good.

>>717761809
FF12 was good because it was helmed by Matsuno, and even then the exec meddling made the game significantly worse than it should've been by pushing Vaan and Penelo down our throats

>>717760512 (OP)
>>Causes irreversible harm to your franchise
>It didn't need to be this way....
They shouldn't have spent splitting up the party for 20 hours in a game where the battlesystem only works with a full one.

>>717764082
I want to put something else down to Ashe's throat

I played it again recently. I avoided as many encounters as possible and didn't upgrade any gear until I felt forced to when fighting Proudclad near the end if the game. It actually was a lot of fun and I had to actually think about Paradigms instead of mostly staying in Com/Rav/Rav like my first play through on release.
It's not the best game but there's value in it. Especially with that music. Lightning Returns really dropped the ball on music after how great XIII and XIII-2's soundtracks were.

>>717761809
It's a shitty offline muhmorpuhguh. 13 is ATB excellence.

>>717765076
>13 is ATB excellence.
lol, almost got me to respond seriously

>>717760512 (OP)
>irreversible
FF13 being bad did not mean that 14 (on release), 15 and 16 also needed to be bad.
Maybe they should just try releasing a good game.

>>717765203
NTA but what's wrong with the combat system (relative to most other FF titles)? FF13 is complete shit but the combat system is fine.
If anything it's better since it has a ranking system encouraging the player to actually actively paradigm shift to reset atb and set up a good list of paradigms instead of mindlessly mashing the same button as most FFs combat systems devolve into.

I know the situations are different, but the Pokemon manga recently introduced a characters that’s also sort of a ‘female Cloud’, like Lightning. It’s also a case of of a rare female protagonist in a long running series. But she’s been very well received in comparison. Was she there something intrinsically wrong with Lightning, or did the story just not serve her character well?

>>717765269
>14 (on release)
there's no need to specify anymore, it's dogshit again

>>717765398
It's functional, I'll say that much. But it's hardly as refined in the previous games systems were and is weighed down by its own gimmicks, not to mention there reaches a point where most fights are chorse than actually being enjoyable in any way

>>717765398
stagger.
>>717765654
Cloud had charisma and times of levity that made him enjoyable through his grouchiness. Lightning has none of that.

>>717765890
Which of the prior FFs do you think has a better combat system and why?
Don't get me wrong, if we extended outside of FF, I'd agree easily that dozens if not hundreds of better examples exist, but relative to most of the mainline ATB systems (and the regular turn based systems prior to ATB) I think paradigm shifting, combined with stagger and buff/debuffing, is a far more active system than most of the FF.
Sure you can just be
>>717764643
> mostly staying in Com/Rav/Rav
But that's like saying you can play Devil May Cry just jumping around holding down Ebony and Ivory and never weapon or stance shifting. The game even has a ranking system to emphasize that you should be constantly paradigm shifting to maximize atb uptime.

>>717765890
>FF combat
>Refined
What's refined about spamming limit breaks or quick hit over and over?
FF13 was the only time they sorta tried to make a combat system with a clear direction and mechanics behind it rather than a lazy button masher, of course being a final fantasy game they still largely failed because they were too afraid of making people actually think, but it's still more demanding than any of the previous games which were unadulterated dogshit for retards

>>717766014
>Stagger
What's wrong with in the context of the game already encouraging you to be actively switching paradigms, timing your swaps and using debuffs which slow the stagger time.
Without stagger, paradigm shifting and how you organize your paradigms would have far less meaning.
All enemies in FF13 also die fast if you know what you're doing and the game is relatively easy like all FF titles. The meaningful difference here is that you're actively swapping around and paying attention to your atb bar and the stagger gauge unlike similar mainline titles where you're just throwing out your strongest aoe or single target

>>717766121
>>717766145
FFX's alone shits on anything XIII tried to do. XIII was too bogged down various other features to make it anywhere near as enjoyable, it mostly results in clutter at the end of the day, and stagger is just staight up a bad inclusion.

>>717766121
>Com/Rav/Rav
A good amount of people played that way.
I was acknowledging that the combat is enjoyable when you actually do engage with it.
In 13-2, The achievement/trophy for performing a lot of paradigm shifts can be done fairly quickly, and yet it's much less common than the one for beating the game.

>>717766525
>FFX's alone shits on anything XIII tried to do.
You make it sound as if FFX wasn't one of the, if not the best combat system of the mainline FF games.
I explicitly said
>what's wrong with the combat system (relative to most other FF titles)
>relative to most other FF titles
>most FFs combat systems
Specifically to imply that some mainline combat systems (especially FFX) are better.
> XIII was too bogged down various other features to make it anywhere near as enjoyable,
See
>FF13 is complete shit but the combat system is fine.

>stagger is just staight up a bad inclusion.
see
>>717766296
Again, I'm not saying FF13's combat system is some kind of hidden gem, I'm just saying that it's pretty good for a mainline FF combat system and the rest of the game is so shit that the combat system is unfairly considered worse than it actually is. I'd gladly take the paradigm system in an actual good FF game.

Remember that initial trailer? Nothing could live up to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7uwtFpC4iI

>>717766859
And I never said XIII's combat was outright bad. It's just too weighed down by its own features and gimmicks, taken on its own, its functional enough to get through the game, but that's it

>>717760512 (OP)
XI and XII did it first.

Ff13 easily the best looking game of its generation. Also Fang.

>>717767236
Fuck you, XII was good
And I don't think anybody even remembers XI enough for it to have any kind of lasting impact

>>717760512 (OP)
Cute pits btw~!

>>717767403
In the era of brown, grays, and piss yellows. That's not saying much.

You say this about every FF. Every FF is killing SE.

>>717766782
>A good amount of people played that way.
That's my point.
>I was acknowledging that the combat is enjoyable when you actually do engage with it.
I know, I quoted you specifically to make the point that a lot of people play the game in a very simplistic manner to their own detriment.

Vanille

>>717767554
I see. That's my mistake then, sorry.
In the end, most people can and do get through most FFs with just attack spam with occasional heals, and XIII is no different.

>>717760512 (OP)
aight im gonna binge the entire ff13 series on pc soon because im bored as FUCK
any mods I should get first or are these things playable as is?

>>717768417
Oh definitely, which is why I think FF13's combat system shouldn't be singled out (by others)for that reason. Especially where, unlike many of the other mainline FFs, FF13 discourages mashing or only using one paradigm with the ATB reset and by having rankings.
Ironically, it's one of the least encouraging to spamming/mashing yet is treated as one of the worst simply because the game as a whole is trainwreck.

>>717768752
Check pc wiki for fixes, I think you can get higher res prerendered videos too?

>>717768752
XIII-2 is unplayable without fan fixes

i really want to play the XIII games someday.
it looks great and the soundtracks are some of the best i've ever heard in vidya.

>>717771612
How good is PS3/360 emulation these days? I wouldn't recommend actually buying it in any sense, but that's an option.

>>717771612
>>717771731
Just get the pc port when it's on sale. Otherwise it's backwards compatible on the xbox and has a few enhancements there.

>>717769986
>>717770490
you guys mind linkin em for me before the thread dies?

>>717760512 (OP)
Genuinely an abomination of a game. I can't believe they mad three entries, and I can't believe I bought all three of them.

>>717768069
based

>>717772642
I dont know I have it on PS3
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2038838545

>>717772642
Why can't you go on the fucking wiki page yourself?

>>717767441
Analyzing

>>717772906
i know the wiki, im talkin about your higher res prerendered videos

>>717766121
The main problem with 13/13-2 combat is that it doesn't work with only 1 or 2 characters (not a huge indictment if you don't separate the party like they do constantly in 13) and I think that the individual roles aren't really deep enough. I think that it'd benefit from the addition of something like actual specialization within roles. For example COM could have Warrior, Dragoon, and Monk as subclasses that each offer something unique, SEN could have Paladin, Mystic Knight, Beastmaster or something, and so on.

For some reason I decided I would get the platinum trophy in every FF game and I'm dresding this piece of shit.

What makes it worse was I bought the entire series on 360 back in the day so I don't even have any previous progress.

>WHAT IF WE MAKE BEATRIX FROM FF9 BUT AS A MC
>turn out shit
WHO FUCKING KNEW

>>717768069
>Wow she cute-
>"OH NAUR~"
>"IT'S REGNORAURKE"

Muted, dropped from party

>>717773390
but she's the mc

>Final Fantasy is just self insert harem shit for edgy loser incels
Huh. The more you know, I guess. I always thought it just some turn based RPG game.

>>717760512 (OP)

>floods your JRPG with incomprehensible cuckshit and his personal love life woes
>ruins the series forever

He should have been kicked out of the company when Third Birthday shit the bed, not reward with even more games to ruin.

As if Bahamut Lagoon wasn't blatant enough how mentally ill he was.

>>717760512 (OP)
>irreversible harm
Shit story and cast aside, a lot of 13's problems were already there by 10. FF13's sin is as the first Final Fantasy game of the HD age, it basically just phoned it in, not innovating or adapting to a post-silver age of JRPGs market, thinking "fuck you we're Final Fantasy we have pretty cutscenes you're going to buy it anyway." Now we're here in 2025 and fucking Sega is a more prolific JRPG publisher than Square-Enix. Even SQE's hail-mary Final Fantasy 7 remake is basically calendar filler rather than what should be one of the most momentous events in gaming, and the best thing Final Fantasy did in decades came off like a bizarre shitpost at first glance and will never be revisited again.

>>717774329
Correct. Motomu is such a faggot. Hamaguchi too.
Redditors are praising him to no end now for Ubisoftbirth though so I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

>>717773237
Why? FF13 is probably the shortest game to 100%. It only has grinding out the weapons which is one of the shorter 100% grinds of the FF.
If anything, FF13 sucks because it has a lack of side content which additionally meant a lack of any real achievements to go out of your way for.

the combat in ff13 is really great in a vaccum, the main problem is that the average jrpg fan plays these games in the slowest and most boring way possible and doing this makes the game extremely annoying very fast.
stagger sucks dick in every game besides this one but because they designed it around a combo of com/rav working together to build and keep the meter up, it means when you have two characters for the first chunk of the game you need to actually take risks instead of having one guy in medic the exact actosecond you take damage, going "nah I can take a few hits I'll push through it, get the stagger and win", this is why the game full heals you after every fight and why it ranks you on time with better rewards for better rank. but people don't understand paradigm shifts give you ATB back to double your turns, want to play an extremely safe tank/healer/dps comp, and end up watching the game very slowly play itself using autobattle as the game eventually beats itself with a 1 star clear and this is why every modern stagger system makes staggering a hard requirement instead of this more dynamic system

>>717761809
>>717764082
ff12 is so boring I literally started falling asleep while playing it. if I wanted to play as extremely one note characters grinding random battles for hours I can just play the original final fantasy and have the battles end in seconds instead of minutes of watching my characters play the game for me, it's unreal to me they took the gameplay of ff11 and removed what bits of depth it had like skillchains and the Serious Fantasy Atmosphere is completely undone by the characters anime super moves where asche just kind of makes a sad face and then the screen explodes or the street boy is suddenly capable of tossing fireballs from his hands, this shit ain't fucking gothic 2

>>717765654
people have problems with lightning because her english voice sounds like she has autism or something and sounds nonspecifically mad even in scenes where she's clearly supposed to be happy and also she's stuck with one of the worst casts in jrpg history so half her scenes are just bitching at her own party members until she does a 180 and decides they don't suck after all

>>717764082
FFXII was peak high fantasy kino
We need to go back.

>>717773390
Shut your whore mouth, she's perfect and a gift from god

>>717760512 (OP)
It didn't need to be that way, but it was inevitable that it would be that way for anyone who paid attention once FFX released.

>>717778239
>FFXII was peak high fantasy kino
for about 4 minutes, then one of the soldiers in the prologue shoots a negative energy dragon ball z laser beam and nobody ever bothers to explain why all the other soldiers aren't using these instead of fighting with fucking swords

>>717778537
The quickenings are sick though. The Judges use them too btw.

FFXV could have saved it all, if only they had gotten more brand deals with Rolex and Coco Chanel.

>>717778996
yeah but why do only the special anime chosen ones get to use quickenings while you spend the rest of the game fighting bucket heads with 1500's weapons in one shitty desert after another? the two biggest inspirations for final fantasy were naussica and star wars aka stories where despite having lots of swords and fantasy old time visuals had the enemy soldiers packing heat, meanwhile bathier is stuck using a shitty flintlock that most players end up replacing with a melee weapon because they're fucking weak and outside of the odd area destroyed by crystal nukes the whole game is spent in photorealistic (by ps2 standards) areas

high fantasy my fucking ass, it's like going to a renaissance and sometimes a guy from comic con wandered in complete with half the characters in ff12 talking like a pretentious ye olde englishe douchebag while the other half are just normal guys talking

>>717779050
Should have skipped those atrocious XIII sequels and gotten Nomura off his ass much sooner. Could have had an extra 3 years developing the game properly.

>>717779050
Versus XIII would've still been bad, it just would've been a different and more interesting kind of bad

>>717760512 (OP)
Yeah, because the average "I'll save my 99 exlirs for later" "I lost to a boss? time to grind instead of change my strategy" "I play the ATB set to wait mode on the slowest setting because I want time to think *only hits attack/heal/nuke every time*" jrpg enjoyer didn't understand the combat in this game despite it fixing every shitty thing about turn based combat if you engage with the mechanics a bit (but dark souls wasn't out yet so normgroids weren't being socially shamed to do this yet) so it made square completely give up on turn based games entirely and make shitty floaty slow action games the final fantasy brand going forward except for that one time they got team ninja to make a funny spinoff game

>>717779537
Nah, Versus XIII would have been a KH game with gothic fantasy vibes instead of Disney vibes.

Are there really people who rate XII high? I mean it's better than XIII, but that doesn't say much. I found XII pretty boring, especially the story didn't grab my interest at all. Boring plot, boring villain. And the desert was a horrible drag. Also, all the characters feel plain, with the exception of Balthier, who I think was decent. Music was also good, Rabanastre theme is on my playlist occasionally.

At least it was just dull, and not offensively bad like XIII.

>>717779712
The real solution to fixing the problem of many turn based JRPGs being braindead is to prevent people from grinding or at the very least nerf grinding and instead place a bigger focus on party set-ups. FFVIII was going along the right lines with its level scaling and Junction system, but it needed refinement.

>>717760512 (OP)
>tries a different approach
>boomers lose their shit
>absolute 0 derivation ever allowed
you old faggots are the reason why every company ever these days plays it safe. fuck i fucking hate how hard you ruined vidya.

>>717780059
If you'd played a KH game past 2, you'd know that would've been a very bad thing.
To say nothing of SE's fucked up development even without alll the fuckery the suits forced on it.

>>717780262
>The real solution to fixing the problem of many turn based JRPGs being braindead is to prevent people from grinding
ff13 did this with the caps on how high you can level your classes based on story and people lost their minds even though the caps were only possible to met if you do dedicated grinding because a lot of people enjoy shit like playing cards to become god in disc 1 of ff8

>>717780442
The entire reason the Osaka team made the post-2 games was because the KH1 and 2 team were stuck making Versus.

>>717780059
by the time versus got canceled we already had multiple kingdom hearts games under nomura that were floaty dogshit where enemies don't react to your attacks
>b-but that was the other studio, the MAIN studio would've made a game that doesn't feel like shit
then he made kh3 and it had all the same problems again lol

>>717780347
They were willing to deviate for 7 remake, that also has the old 7fags seething for well over 5 years already.

>>717780531
And they were all picked off one by one because knew what the fuck they were doing or wanted from it Verus XIII was doomed from the second they chose that stupid name and tie it into their Faubla Crystalis thing or whatever.

>>717780179
Playing them for the gameplay first and foremost, I enjoyed spawning rare mobs and doing license quests. Setting up and using the Gambit System also felt satisfying.

>>717780659
square is the only company that does that these days. well... used to before they announced their huge paradigm shift. but look at every other company ever. do the big players even make AA's anymore?

>>717780632
But the fights in Re:Mind are better than the fights in KH2:FM

>>717780826
the fights are more complex, the game feels like shit still so I don't care. man can't live on raw challenge and complexity alone, you need that chunni satisfying buttonfeel in order to motivate you to grit those teeth. this is why stranger of paradise makes every kingdom hearts game and 15/16 look like a piece of shit because not only do all your attacks feel like a truck being driven by a pitbull but then the game has tough boss and enemy design thats very aggressive and a million different mechanics and subsystems to minmax while you drown in loot drops

>>717780806
AAs nowadays are usually made by smaller, medium sized studios. That’s what category most Souls clones over the past 10 years have fallen into, and in the west, there’s also be some really big AA successes like Hitman WoA and Expedition 33.

>>717780659
7remake appeals to nobody though, its too much like the old game and feels like a very targeted watering down of ff13 mechanics to fix the boomer complaints
>ATB is just the cooldown on your moves that actually do damage and theres no paradigm shifts to refill it or make you change up what you're doing, every character does the same shit over and over
>stagger is such a non mechanic you can often kill enemies before staggering even when you're trying to stagger them with dedicated stagger moves

>>717781002
and? still no reason to leave that segment to the small fishes. and the AA/indie scene is not even nearly as rich and diverse as people make it to be. most of them are copycats of past games in much worse. but Capcom used to make stuff like Gem Fighters which is really a one-of-a-kind fightan you will never see in that form again. has there ever been a racing RPG ever after Racing Lagoon?

>>717781110
>7remake appeals to nobody though, its too much like the old game and feels like a very targeted watering down of ff13 mechanics to fix the boomer complaints
The characters play distinctly enough from each other that I don't follow. Playing a team of Cloud/Tifa/Yuffie, Tifa's combo system and ATB charging plays completely differently from Cloud's block counter style and Yuffie's ADD ranged spam.
The aggro system also encourages switching your active party member often besides just the fact that you're actively inputting each of their atb moves.
7Remake has plenty of problems, but their combat system is very good and very different from 13 (which I also think is good for its own reasons).

Do people still care about FFXVI?

luv FF13
luv Fang
simple as

>>717760512 (OP)
It really did. Zoomers won't remember this but the expectations for FF13 were off the charts, and this game failed to deliver (and then some). What a turd, and they made TWO sequels!!

>>717781997
Not much. Game relied too much on its epic set pieces, ultimately too little substance.

>>717760512 (OP)
But enough about XII

>>717768069
Made for taking Shalon Gui cock

>>717782843
everyone's giving it a swing now since it's available on XBox. i even saw some people saying they gave it another chance after 2 years and started liking it more. it's slowing catching up now with it's fame.
also absolute brainlet take with too little substance. a watered down DMC is still a DMC and people have being doing incredible things with it's gameplay. it's just turnfags that feel left out because they don't have necessary execution down to keep up

>>717783676
stranger of paradise has combat with more depth, more funny things to play around with for combo videos, a more compelling protagonist, and a story more in line with OG final fantasy games. fuck 16

>>717783676
Substance more in relation to its story and characters.

>>717765654
It's been a while so people can correct me. But the story had no real reason for her to be there. Other characters could've achieved what she did in the story without her and makes her come off as a Mary Sue. She also had no actual character, maybe because Nomura didn't want her to have flaws but that makes them really boring.

>>717760512 (OP)
>playing FF after 9

>>717777702
Didn't it have the end game super bosses? It seemed like they had to scrounge up content for people with all the "side quests" that just reused the same areas.

>>717785439
long gui is pretty easy as far as superbosses go

>>717760512 (OP)
The main issue is that SE refuses to hire actual writers. Every single writer for these games is always somebody on the dev team, either for better or worse. It's the most stupidest decision ever and they still don't take the hint.

>>717785246
Kind of. She's there because she wants to save her sister, but the overarching plot really doesn't revolve around her. She's not unlike Vaan in that sense.
Lightning is Toriyama's girl, not sure if Nomura did much there aside from the character design.

>>717766014
>stagger

>>717784752
i LOVE SoP but you don't even have air time in that game which on it's own knocks it's complexity down a notch. the rest is just numbers fuckery to make things work. and you don't have access to your weapon abilities on demand. it's stuck behind stupid strings.
agree though that FF16's story sucks. Jack best boy

>>717785626
Whenever SE hires writers from outside their company, you get garbage like Forespoken. And a chunk of the golden age of SE is still there, the issue isn't the writers, it's them not having a clear vision of what they fucking want or know how play hands correctly

>>717786012
these are some fair points, but I feel like part of the reason why the enemies can be so threatening is because you can't just fly over them (you can jump over attacks with a bunch of special moves though, not just dragoon iframes but stuff like the basic greatsword slam)
>you don't have access to your weapon abilities on demand
and this is also true in 16 lol

>>717760512 (OP)
XIII is actually kind of fun once you can skip all of the tutorials, which improves the pacing of the game. The problem is that you've already slogged through the game once so you'll probably never play it again.

>>717785679
>She's there because she wants to save her sister
Snow basically had the same goal but it actually made more sense since he felt central to the conflict as well as influence to the side characters.
>but the overarching plot really doesn't revolve around her
Yeah, I'm starting to remember now. Kind of hilarious how she's just in the background for much of the cutscenes at some point.

>>717766525
>FFX's alone shits on anything XIII tried to do.
Oh yeah, Limit Break+Quick Hit: the moviegame sure is noteworthy, lmao
At least XIII forces you to somewhat pay attention once in a while

>>717786807
Japan has so many writers, I'm not even talking about otaku shit like LN or anime writers but actual authors. I feel like SE could easily hire one of these people but insist on not doing it.
>not having a clear vision
This will keep happening regardless so why not have some good writing at the very least?

>>717785626
They hired Nojima pretty frequently over the years

>>717788170
They literally do though.
Ocotpath Traveler 2 and Visions of Mana were co-written by established mangaka, and even as far back as Parasite Eve, the head writer was the writer of the original novel.

Writers aren't magic, they're only as good as the captain leading the ship. And if they don't know what the fuck is going on with development, they can only work with so much with what the suits wants of them to give everyone something to work with.

>>717787681
>It's good if you skip literally the first quarter of the game

>>717761809
12 was shit and they did Matsuno dirty. I wonder what god-tier kino we would've gotten if he had been left alone

>>717789664
the bits where you have two party members are still fun unless you swap to medic the second you take damage and keep letting stagger fall off, especially if you know about paradism shift ATB refill

the first few chapters being literally regular attack and items only is absolutely insane though, for an intro trying to remind you of ff7 so hard they sure forgot cloud at least had some fucking spells before the game teaches you about materia

>>717760512 (OP)
Tolberone.

>>717788924
sena is just credited with writing the original novel, sakaguchi did the rough outline and takashi tokita is credited with the story. (though in sakaguchi's interview in the artbook he implies nomura helped influence the characterization too, but that could just be through design experimentation rather than direct input)

>>717760512 (OP)
it's litteraly the last good final fantasy game lol.
Type 0 was pure cinema too

>>717785439
Yeah but FF """Superbosses""" are always killed long before you get the usual
>hit 99 on all jobs
>max all summons
>max all (...)

>>717790565
Sena helped after the initial draft for was completed, which was when he first learned of it, but I digress.

Point is. SE DOES get outside writers to help with their games. And it's not a matter of the in-house writers not being good enough to make something worth a shit

>>717789664
>i play RPG but hate following the story
i was actualy shocked when i learned 4 nigga in a row fan think like this

>>717771612
>it looks great and the soundtracks
That's all it had going for it, is looks. Playing the game is a different story.

What do people see in the soundtrack of this game? So many people mention how good it is but I remember finding it oddly repulsive.
I listen to other FF soundtracks regularly but most music in XIII doesn't feel right

>>717781997
I'm replaying it and having a good time. Falls off a bit after you fight Bahamut and Ultima becomes the main antagonist but it's still enjoyable

>>717791219
I think XII and XIII both have completely forgettable soundtracks

>>717791018
What about my post gave you that impression.
I mean the story IS dogshit, but that's only part of the problem XIII has

>>717791219
the 13 one is pretty meh outside of the battle theme but 13-2 has an absolutely incredible soundtrack

>>717760512 (OP)
>She killed millions

>>717760512 (OP)
13 and 15 are the only mainlines I haven't played. Are the steam versions good?

>>717791458
I never played XIII-2 after the disappointment that was XIII so I never got to listen that one

>>717767441
Cute cloud.

>>717791553
I played XV on Steam and it's playable. I just had to disable physx because the grass was glitching. Can't say much without knowing your computer

Speaking of the story, why did SE think it was a good idea to make the setting science fantasy cyberpunk adjacent and to make THAT the starting point of their shared lore thing?
All that does is remind people of FFVII which is a better game in every regard

Hell, the entire party is just a dollar store version of VII's party with the roles somewhat switched around.

>>717791219
>>717791375
Looks 13 is shit but
https://youtu.be/qvqfPlNozDo?si=6JfrndSq2sm_8Mri
https://youtu.be/LOtBuZEhAH0?si=PLA_rqyu7_0xV5f6
https://youtu.be/FFQRJHh3VNc?si=yeGCgAIUU-jQ2iBC

>>717791553
Yeah
https://github.com/rebtd7/FF13Fix

>>717760512 (OP)
I remember the insane fallout on gameFAQs when this shit happened. It was truly a perfect storm of dev laziness and arrogance that truly fractured the fan base

>>717791219
i liked yaschas mountain but the rest i can barely remember

>>717767468
In the current era of anti soul gas, it says a lot. I didn't like XIII much but can at least admit that game looks beautiful on PC. Played XIII and XIII-2 for the first time last year and was surprised at how good they look.


>>717791553
>13 and 15 are the only mainlines I haven't played. Are the steam versions good?
13 and 13-2 needs fixes
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2
Other than that they run fine minus some crashing with 13-2 even with the fixes.


FF15 you need to fix the stutters and other Nivdia shit.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XV

>>717767403
Sonic Unleashed looks better

>>717792454
Only for half of it, ironically the night stages look like dogshit.

>>717791924
Not as good as the soundtracks from VI, VII, VIII, IX, and X

>>717793196
I don't think missing such a high bar makes it bad.

>>717765076
>ATB
>excellence
pick 1

>>717791458
That's because the GOAT Naoshi Mizuta created it. He's also responsible for XI's phenomenal OST.

>>717760512 (OP)
The damage was already done with the shitshow that was FF12.

>>717798912
XII was peak you retard

>>717799946
why did nobody play it back then?

>>717798912
12 was just mid. It was a stumble after 10 but it didn't ruin the franchise like 13.

>>717800254

>>717800339
Not the other anon but the more I think about, the more I actually agree. At least we got multiple FF games from 6th gen, good or bad. 7th gen was nothing but them trying to fix the same game 3 times with the same battle system but with small twists. I'd rather then keep shooting blanks than to fixate on the same game for 5+ years.

>>717760512 (OP)
13-2 is unironically a good game

>>717800254
I had a chance to borrow it from my friend but I was turned off by the gambit system before I even played it.

From what I remember there was a LOT of drama and hate surrounding the gambit system but actually giving it a chance I loved it. I don't think I would've given it a chance if I played it back then.

>>717767403
killzone looked much better

>>717775080
>a lot of 13's problems were already there by 10
someone that just doesn't get it

>>717767405
I think the only thing anyone remembers about XI was that nigh impossible boss fight and even then it's only because Absolute Virtue got an MTG card.

Are people on /v/ still trying to pretend that the XIII games are suddenly good now? I saw that happening a bit ago

>>717800631
Final Fantasy X (FFX) sold approximately 8.5 million copies on the PlayStation 2. This figure represents the game's sales as a standalone title on the PS2, prior to the release of the remastered versions. The broader Final Fantasy X series, including the remaster, has sold over 20.8 million units worldwide
this was the peak and always will be the fucking peak of FF after those shitty ff7 games are done they are going after this money

>>717802528
its creeped up from someones shit fanbase

>>717777810
XIII has plenty of functionally mandatory staggering to interrupt enemy phases

>>717760512 (OP)

>>717760512 (OP)
its genuinely impressive how every character in this game is borderline retarded except for the token black guy. Like he got isekaied into this world and kinda forgot about it.

>>717768069
i'd let her have sex with me

>>717760512 (OP)
>reddit opinion still forced by redditor troons infesting /v/ to this day
>still can't get over this kino forcing them to git gud

Now FF15 however, that game was trash and only has one mentally ill autist defending it like his existence depends on it.

>>717761214
The franchise was doomed the minute the released that movie. Enix merged with a sinking ship.

>>717764082
Qrd,what'd the devs mess up this time?

Was Reks going to be the main character?

>>717808048
Not the other anon but originally there was going to be a lot more to the game like Airships being more important and playable. At some point the main dev was kicked off midway into development so stuff was probably changed or didn't make it into the game. Its up for grabs what the game was going to be like but the end results was still shit.

If stagger was so bad, why did every single mainline game in the series except the MMO add a stagger mechanic to their game afterwards. Even the 7 remake got stagger.

>>717761809
It's the best game in the series, but plebs are too dumb to realize.

>>717808429
For developers it's an easy thing to structure fights around and most people playing games won't understand it as the utter dogshit mechanic it truly is. I think it's a true mechanical dead end that can only be less bad and not ever good.

>>717766145
>FF13 was the only time they sorta tried to make a combat system with a clear direction and mechanics behind it rather than a lazy button masher
lolwat, FF13 not being a lazy autobattle button masher? look at this early trailer with its fake mockup combat, if anything they didn't know what to do with the combat system until very late into development then gave up and just added an autobattle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDjT2TkHSyQ

>>717774315
>forgetting FF VI

Come on anon

>>717760512 (OP)
Whatever happened to this guy? He sunk the entire franchise for his waifu.

>>717764082
FF12 is too fucking short and everything is bad monster hunting side quests in reused areas.

>>717809324
despite having a button literally called "auto battle" being the thing at the top of the list ironically ff13 is very far from an autobattler because the paradigm shift/stagger mechanics encourage you to be constantly adjusting your strategy instead of falling into a safe tank/heal/nuke pattern you can beat most jrpgs with. even pressing the auto battle button is often not the best move because you need a less then full atb in order to do something ~now~ instead of more moves later

>>717810868
>everything is bad monster hunting side quests in reused areas.
This also describes the last 1/3 of FF13.

>>717760512 (OP)
I have never been so bored by a videogame.
Not even Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom on the NES bored me as much as this game did.

>>717808364
Matsuno apparently had a nervous breakdown and wouldn't come to office for months. Probably caused by higher ups refusing his ideas or Square Enix staff leaving en masse to join Sakaguchi at Mistwalker, or both. He was eventually sacked and replaced, which lead to what we got.

>>717760512 (OP)
FFXIII > FFVII

>>717780179
XII should have had Balthier and Fran as the main characters and focused on their wacky adventures with a worlds-collide theme juxtaposing them with Ashe and Basch. Vaan and Penelo should have been deleted. It also should have used X-2's battle system.