What killed Fire Emblem?

it was never good and then they got lucky with the mobile game and three houses
its just returning to its zombie state

>>717762362 (OP)
How much are you getting paid for spamming and samefagging these threads?

>>717762425
honestly true

>>717762362 (OP)
Lack of cute and canon pairings

>>717762362 (OP)
Unironically Three Houses
The series is now irreparably stuck with a story-shitter fanbase who find the battles too stressful.

>>717762362 (OP)
Awakening both saved and killed the series, mostly due to the rampant waifuism.

Lack of eugenics.

>>717763189
More eugenics would help.

>>717763189
How many times did Corrin drop Kana on her head as a baby?

>>717763461
Corrin would never do that. Kana was unsupervised though, so she fell a lot.

>>717763189

>>717763631
Skinship with daughter!

despite what toothpaste niggers claim, those shit character designs had a horrific impact on the game's sales

>>717762362 (OP)
Paper/rock/scissors combined with permadeath and being hugely outnumbered.

>>717763716
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=11285169

https://youtu.be/LY-8YOVRJ7w?si=oMxoHckn3GvueU-x

Marriage with Marianne

>>717762362 (OP)
First, explain to me how it's dead.

>>717762362 (OP)
>Waifu shittery
>OCs that actually have a bearing on the game
>Wacky anime comedy hijinks
>Some of the dumbest gorilla nigger plots that somehow outdo the original Black Knight and Blood Pact
Awakening "saved" the franchise in the same way Alcoholics Anonymous "saves" midwestern fathers

>>717765237
Most recent game had too much gameplay which the nu-audience hates.

no idea how anyone has beaten Thracia 776 without save abuse. that game is so fucking hard and one mistake fucks your whole run up

The "Fire Emblem 4 remake" rumor was someone on Twitter saying sources in their head told them about it. It came to them in a dream in 2018. Now 7 years after the fact, this """rumor""" persists.

What really happened was some localizer from China or Europe got their hands on a finished build, posted about 2 screenshots (the bearded guy and the MC toothpaste), and somehow this validated the rumor. We've had Fire Emblem Warriors, Three Houses, a pseudo sequel to Three Houses, Engage, DLC for both Engage and Three Houses. Each time the next game was "FE4 remake around the corner". God you people spend too much time believing social media schizophrenics attention seekers.

FEMALE ALEAR'S PUSSY!

>>717765728
FEMALE FEMANON'S PUSSY

>>717765709
Fire Emblem games that have been released during the Fire Emblem 4 remake """rumor""
>Shadows of Valentia
>Three Houses
>DLC for Three Houses
>Warriors
>Three Hopes what if pseudo sequel
>Engage
>DLC for Engage
Oh yes, just around the corner. All it took was someone looking at Fire Emblem Engage's pre-release build screenshots of Vander and Alear summoning FE spirits of Sigurd and that was enough to validate the ""rumor"" that started inside their heads. Can we go for a full decade of ""FE4 remake rumor"".

>>717765581
it gets a good bit easier after chapter 7

>>717765709
At this point, leakers are just continuing to perpetuate it so they can go "SEE I TOLD YOU SO" if they ever actually make it, even if it's 10 years after they first "leaked" it. Just so they can take the credit.

>>717763843
Truth Valflame!

>>717765728
IS CANON!

Playing through the Fates faithful translation patch makes it really obvious that we essentially got a 4kids dub from Treehouse.
>Garon isn't obviously evil enough, this is a dub for literal toddlers after all.

>>717765709
Wow Cherche more popular thanbI thought.
She seems like one of the most forgotten wyvern riders.

>>717766342
I'm pretty sure that's from back when Awakening was new. Gaius was super popular back then too and now I haven't seen him mentioned in literal years.

FE has always been good and is still good to this day.

Give me 1 (one) good reason we can't S-Support Morgan and make a Morgan!Morgan

>>717766435
gaius is neat.

>>717766690
This is correct.

>>717762362 (OP)
3HRT did by pandering to trannies.

>>717766737
Incest is against ToS of life

>>717766737
Fire Emblem does not support divorce or polygamy

Ivy
>>717766690
True

>>717766342
Cherche is the girl who made me reset after marrying Nowi

>>717766690
...until SHARTgage that is

Why are Cordelia, Adult Tiki, Lucina, and Tharja the most memorable Awakening girls

>>717767184
*Three houses

>>717762362 (OP)
stopped doing in map cutscenes

>>717767184
>can't even come up with a good insult name like Conqueer, Cuckquest, or 3HRT
Pathetic

>>717767184
Path of Gaydiance

>>717767291
>Cordelia
Suffering plus cute plus good unit
>Tiki
Legacy character plus big boobies plus kino pairing with Robin
>Lucina
Cute, posterchild for one of the secret but main draws of the game, tritagonist
>Tharja
Big boobies and is for (You).

>>717767489
I believe Engayge is the shitposter's choice

>>717767710
Awakening Tiki would be super more popualr if she had more supports. She only got 3 which is a big shame. I really liked her and Cordelia.

>>717767683
So how much did this mental illness cost? I tried to find out but it asked for email.

>>717767683
holy BASED

>>717767808
I could have sworn I read once that Tiki was a late addition to the game because they felt like Awakening didn't have enough concrete links to Archanea so they decided to add someone who would be that link.

Why did Ylisse regress and lose ballista technology?

>>717768057
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis

theres gonna be a new fe game sooner or later with the switch 2.

>>717768057
Same reason we don't know how Romans made royal purple or concrete. Shit just gets forgotten with time.

>>717767449
God that scene is a classic. So good the otherwise good ending manga kept it in.

>>717767948
FE Awakening was fantastic. I think people who hate Awakening are going to be in for a rude awakening heh when they play the GameCube Fire Emblem on the Switch 2 online subscription program. Sure you can save state cheat, but the animations and map turns are so fucking slow my man. The GBA Fire Emblem are lightning fast as the 3DS era. Some of the later Path of Radiance maps have like 20 your units, 30 enemy units, 10 other faction units, beast units transforming in and out, those animations stack and turns get long. I don't know how I tolerated that back in the day. Fast forward is essential for Tellius FE games.

>>717768694
I never got bored of tellius animations desu. yeah enemy phase can take a while if you have all animations on but you can turn it off if you want. its not anything worse than Fe4.

God this series is shit now...

>now

Next FE will have a beach episode and there will be canon pubes

>>717762362 (OP)
Engage pandering to a aesthetic that clashes with the characters the franchise is known for while being a celebration of the series and those characters. what's worse is the new characters in engage are some of the most one dimensional characters in the franchise and are introduced so poorly that you know barely anything about them unless you do the supports and given how bad most of those are means most people will avoid doing them unless its for support bonuses. sure the gameplay is the best its been in a while but everything else drags it down.

>>717769456
only on the men

>>717769464
All mostly true but it still doesn't mean the series is dead.

Fire Emblem?

Kino.

engayge gameplay is overrated

>>717768151
i will be buying a switch 2 + new FE on Amazon and returning them both within 30 days

>>717768057
Didn't the fruit they used to lubricate the ballista go extinct according to New Mystery? That's the justification for Beck not having it when he shows up, right?

>>717769660
of coure a 3HRTranny doesn't like gameplay. go back to your persona-lite shitfest

>>717769519
Good.

>>717769703
and you spam canter and warriors with long bows and some sages, meanwhile you pick up dog poop retard >>717767683

>>717769945
kek, I knew it was the schizo.

Engage sucks

>>717769464
>and are introduced so poorly that you know barely anything about them unless you do the supports
That's most games in the series though. Characters that are basically non-existent after their join chapter unless you do their supports. It's why the support system should be retooled entirely and they should instead do what Kaga did in his games where the side characters have scenes spread out throughout the story instead.

>>717767117
Based.

>>717770327
She should fuck my face

>>717769945
>implying that you don't pick up horse shit in 3HRT

>>717762362 (OP)
The retarded-looking characters in Engage's box art

>>717766606
More like whoretensia

>>717769660
So how much did you pay for >>717767683?
Are you the Itsuki CYL shill too?

>>717769660
It probably would be if modern FE even got the memo to show up for the competition. It's like everything except Conquest is just not trying. I don't think it's the best in the series, though.

>>717768057
They're honestly pretty shitty tech, it's probably more costly to maintain for what it provides, so it gets phased out and later forgotten

>>717770327
also Morgan looks really cute with her hair color

I hate remake culture so much

>>717767849
I believe it's $50, so more expensive than a copy of Engage.

>>717762362 (OP)
nothing, make a more interesting thread next time

>>717768694
I started with Awakening but I could never in good conscience put it above PoR, even if I love MUs, shipping and deep unit customization. People point to Awakening's map design as being the issue but it's not even that, the AI and enemy placement is just ass. So many maps are just "you start here and a bunch of enemies rush your position", it's just way too enemy phase oriented for a game with such mindless enemy phasing.

>>717771068
I just don't get why you would want to wait on a remake that probably doesn't exist before experiencing the game. Just play Genealogy. It exists right now. You can play it on your phone! There is nothing wrong with the version that currently exists.

>>717769982
It's really obvious with his writing style

>>717765709
Given the trackrecord of already existing reruns they've made and how every game is in someway referencing and pulling from previous games suspecting a FE4 is reasonable and not some insidious conspiracy.

>>717771287
But if I played Genealogy it would no longer be my favorite FE.

>>717770327
Cherche annoys me because she's super cute, gets points for wearing plate armor from the front, has the maid bodyguard knight theme, and has a charming baseline personality, but the majority of her supports get fucked by that stupid lizard

>>717771347
and you reek of cope

>>717771245
I like games that respect my time. I would like to say por is better than awakening but I cant in good conscience with how fucking slow it is

>>717771380
It would be one of your favorites.

Fates remake but Femui is now a standard lord and you get a new MU to customize but you still pick Corrin's secondary class.
Seriously though we probably need a Fates remake/remaster with Revelation literally being inaccessible legally.

>>717771287
>There is nothing wrong with the version that currently exists.
geneology is unironicaly the worst fe I dont know why people even want a remake

>>717771498
How about
MAKE A NEW FUCKING GAME

>>717763843
Getting a vtuber artist to make all the character designs was truly baffling. Of course everyone would end up looking like a fucking clown.

>>717771394
>>717770327
Is Cherche a redhead like Cordelia, whats her name glasses, and Anna? Or is she more pink haired? t. I might be color blind

>>717771498
Never ever tranny, troonhouse would have a field day with that game again.

>>717770284
Honestly I think the introductions normally do a ok job of telling something about the character and I feel engage fails at even doing the bare minimum sometimes but I do agree do that some story for side characters through out the story is a good idea though.

>>717771650
>cordelia fucking anything but her chrom body pillow

>>717771460
You can speed up PoR enough, combat is still a little slow with scenes disabled but like 5 seconds per combat is nothing. If that's too much for you I'd hate to see your reaction to a game that actually has speed issues cough cough Stella Glow cough cough

>>717771540
It's got the best story (not much of a prize in hindsight) but it does feature the usage of the support mechanics actually forcing you to use the child units, even if the game essentially is just a Sigurd/Selpih solo with cheerleader gang.

>>717771650
Still red, but closer to pink than Cordy, Miriel, and Anna

>>717771650
I'd call it more salmon than anything, but it depends on your monitor I guess.

There is no FE4 remake. 7 years of cope believing insider rumors.

>>717771540
muh BBQ muh mature tone

>>717771650
Cherche's hair is a lighter red than the other redheads in the army (I think they call their group the Shepherds in Awakening?) but it's definitely red and not pink

>>717769464
I feel like people who genuinely hold this opinion never actually liked fire emblem.
> what's worse is the new characters in engage are some of the most one dimensional characters in the franchise
like that really isnt true at all like 99% of fe characters either have no character or are one dimensional the ones that aren't are outliers. the series has always been a bunch of colorful haired anime dudes fighting evil. like I dont get this idea that fe used to be some grounded morally gray thriller

Cutesythea

>>717771798
>It's got the most overhyped strory
the story isnt even good people just jerk off to your army dying and the "ntr" the story basically stops halfway through anyways

>>717771993
CLAUDED

>>717771942
muh 3 Houses
muh Jugdral (I never played a Jugdral game btw)

>>717771942
they have only ever played Three Houses, so you are right.

>this is not pink according to /vfeg/
lot of colorblind anons huh

>>717772104
Hey, I said it was salmon.

>>717772104
salmon at best

>>717771347
japan already got fe4 on nso, get over it

>>717772104
that is a light red
Olivia's hair is pink
Felicia from Fates has pink hair

>>717772104
who cares retard

Do you prefer a character being a static dancer from the start, or do you like being able to reclass into dancer like in Thracia or Houses?

>>717772169
>light red
So pink.

>>717772169
You're colorblind, anon

>>717772186
Dancers have a very specific purpose within your army, and should be designed around that function to keep them balanced. 3H dancers just lends itself to silly things like Dancer Dimitri both refreshing shit and also just enemy phasing everything so you don't have to think about positioning at all.

>>717772104
I had to deal with a quarter wit yesterday in the xenoblade thread who said this was a blonde

Husbands.....

>>717772186
static

>>717772323
Maybe he's seeing the yellow tinted highlights and getting confused? Like he dress photo. That's weird though.

>>717771287
But it's not enough that I played Genealogy. Everyone ELSE has to play Genealogy and talk about it (making the same two jokes for twenty years)

>>717772338
marrying the bro and giving him divine dragon dick to counteract his cancer is NOT GAY

>>717772338
why did marth dye his hair red and why is dimitri there

>>717772323
She is blonde.
Her feathers are, at least.

Are people on /feg/ actually insane or just pretending?

>>717772104
>>717772323
>>717772169
>>717772145
>>717772132
When you quote someone on 4chan, what's their post color look like, red or pink? Exactly. Pink. Like Cherche's hair color.

>>717772586
I'M BATSHIT INSANE

>>717772618
>When you quote someone on 4chan, what's their post color look like, red or pink?
I mean I think most people would call it black but it's a pretty warm black, a very slight tinge of blue.

>>717772338

>>717772586
A combo. It's a variety of factors and individuals at once.
>multiple avatarfags pretending shitters like Nowi or Shamir are popular
>tripfag abusing mod privileges to spam scat
>no new game, so everyone is going stir-crazy
>the "current" game, Heroes, is being fucked sideways with powercreep because the devs refuse to release characters people like

>>717771942
The whole grounded argument gets even weirder when the games that are lauded for being geounded are full of anime tropes themselves. 3H for example opens with a 1000 year old loli giving you time powers and you going to war with teens that go to the school you teach at.

>FE
>grounded
you have magic and pegasus, fuck off

>>717772798
>you going to war with teens that go to the school you teach at.
Whoever wrote 3H must have really loved Cold Steel

I need to racemix with Fogado

what really bothers me is people just dont like the engage character designs but instead of just saying that they will try and contort and come up with reasons for why its bad that applies to the whole series or at least most of the games

Playing devil's advocate for a second, FE has always been very anime in its presentation but Engage's cutscenes are absurdly Japanese in how they handle both drama and humor.
>Character leaps several feet landing into a proper Japanese prostrating pose
It'd be like if they released an FE where the characters just go super saiyan oh wait

>>717762362 (OP)
Awakening. It brought an anime-styled Waifu Emblem that never left

People don't have a problem with colorful, hot anime teens defeating [Dark Dragon and Evil Sorceror] to save the world. Or with short skirts. Or cute lolis. Or magical powers and anime tropes.
But when you make one of hot anime teens a girl in a modern plaid cap who shouts KYAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa the Divine LOOKED AT ME, some people start to have a problem with that. Surely you see the difference, anons? You're not just playing dumb, are ya?

>>717773113
to me it just seems like people have a stick up there ass, like yeah its silly but like, so what?

>>717773043
>It'd be like if they released an FE where the characters just go super saiyan oh wait
Yeah I remember that scene too.

>>717773113
I would have liked Houses more if it had the color palette of Engage, and would have disliked Engage more if it had Houses' color palette.
But man, I would fucking hate Houses if it had Engage's character writing.

>>717773102
>NO AWAKENING BROUGHT WAIFU SIMPS INTO THE FANBASE AND OLD FE WOULD NEV-AACKKKKK

>>717773236
>>717773043
Fire Emblem ""Three Houses fans"" are the people who make shitflinging warring threads like Expedition 33. They all moved on to that one. Reddit crowd. No my post isn't ironic, pointing out there's a bandwagoner fanbase that goes from fandom to fandom isn't repeating their behavior. Flavor of the month people are obnoxious regardless of where they're from.

>>717773279
engages character writing is fine the bigger issue is that there's no world building for them to interact with

>>717773263
I never said 3H was a good game.

>>717773113
>when you make one of hot anime teens a girl in a modern plaid cap
Dorothea
>KYAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa the Divine LOOKED AT ME
Characters being one dimentional isn't exclusive to Engage, sure 3H had actually good character writting (for the most part) but let's not pretend like it wasn't the exception and not the rule for this franchise.

>>717771942
Look I don't care about the series being some morally gray thriller I just feel engage is badly written by the standards of the franchise as a whole and the characters are mostly insufferable and badly designed epically given your expected to interact with them a lot more then the average fire emblem game. my favorite games are 7-8 so I don't have that high a bar for story.

>>717773113
you liked it when bernadetta did it

Elder Scrolls 6 is Fire Emblem 18

>>717773386
>engages character writing is fine
No, because characters in Engage usually just come down to one or maybe two traits. A big reason why Ivy is so much popular than Chloe is that Ivy actually has moral dilemmas to consider and actions to take, while Chloe is just "eat the food."

>>717762362 (OP)
the fans base the in influx of terible programmers and designers that entered the gaming industry starting 2016/17

Engage+ is probably my favorite lategame powerup in the series just for how drastic a powerboost it is as a purely combat enhancing Engage, and how it feels earned after one of the hardest chapters in the game
Turning Alear, who's probably a middling combat unit at this point in the game even if you made him a Wyvern, and his A Supports into demigods devastating the battlefield for 4 turns, and your partner still being able to use their own Ring immediately after, feels incredibly fun

>>717773583
>No, because characters in Engage usually just come down to one or maybe two traits
oh you mean like in FIRE EMBLEM

>>717773471
>standards of the franchise
Lmao what standards? The franchise has at best 2 well written stories and the rest is either mediocre or straight bad.

>>717773113
>KYAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa the Divine LOOKED AT ME,
all the unrequited loves in fe fill that same kinda vibe imo, so again nothing new

>>717773468
>Characters being one dimentional isn't exclusive to Engage
I think his point is more the juxtaposition of IS's in-house writing staff vs some random musou fucks. People had a taste of non-IS writing, and they liked it more.
If Genealogy DID get a remake, who would you rather write it? Engage's staff or Koei's?

>>717772104
I agree its pink adjacent.

>>717766435
Guess I should have used was.
Anyways yeah didn't expect her to be that high. Like top 5 is high.
Reminds me of how I was surprised my boy Brady was like top 10 men when he seemed bottom material.

>>717773010
why did alear say this...

>>717773686
>nothing new
>posts remake fanfic character
you just proved his point

It's so amusing how people who started with Three Houses think they have a grasp of the series.

>>717773113
Yeah, it'd be weird if characters wearing something modern like a hoodie, was a hikkineet, and said shit like "Bernie's just no good :(". That'd be terrible.

3H characters are boring and have no personality.

>>717773583
>No, because characters in Engage usually just come down to one or maybe two traits.
once again thats most fe like whats really there to colm uhhh he like neimi and like he doesnt like to show his feelings I guess thats about it
>A big reason why Ivy is so much popular than Chloe is that Ivy actually has moral dilemmas to consider and actions to take, while Chloe is just "eat the food."
no its because she's more of a "main" character and has a unique class

>>717772754
I think alot of it is people going stir crazy. We’re starting to look at the longest period without a new game. Even something like a Warriors game is at least a release valve.

>>717773468
>>717773510
>but what about 3h?!?!

>>717773847
Who would have a good grasp on the series? The only constant of Fire Emblem's style and presentation is that it's constantly going through radical changes. Kaga FE is dramatically different from GBA FE which is dramatically different from Tellius which is dramatically different from 3DS FE which is dramatically different from Switch FE.

>>717773903
>once again thats most fe like whats really there to colm uhhh he like neimi and like he doesnt like to show his feelings I guess thats about it
I think there's a big difference between a 20 chapter GBA game and a 50+ chapter Switch game. IS should have evolved past Sacred Stones' writing, but they've actually gotten worse. The one-note characters went from being forgettable to insultingly bad.
>no its because she's more of a "main" character and has a unique class
Then Celine would be popular, but she isn't.

>>717762362 (OP)
Me

Do we hate Path of Radiance now?

>>717773939
>We’re starting to look at the longest period without a new game
that's just not true

>>717773772
>posts remake fanfic character
irrelevant, no one played gaiden but since you wanna be purposefully obtuse

Vika is literally wearing teen jeans you would see in the current day.

>>717774031
Its woke.

>>717773984
>WOW YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO PROVE ME WRONG
Kek

>>717774031
no. I love all fire emblem games. even the retarded ones.

>>717773583
>No, because characters in Engage usually just come down to one or maybe two traits
That's literally Awakening.

>>717774060
Wdym woke

>>717773939
>Shez will never be added to Houses
Hell, I'd take a Heroes Musou.

>>717774067
3H is the lowest hanging normalfag fruit. If you can only manage to be better than 3H, you're doing something wrong.

>>717774013
people that actually played more than a couple of games in the series..

>>717774052
>um it doesn't count because I say so
>posts another nu-fe character
still failing to prove anything

>>717774060
marth is woke.
>>717774119
he's a troll. he's the same dude that constantly tries to start 3houses/engage flame wars

>>717774079
Yes, and that was given leeway at the time because of the focus on romance. But Awakening's cast is NOT popular anymore, and most had fallen off by the time Fates came out (three years after its own release).
Compare that to Houses, which is 6 years later and the cast is still popular.

>>717773896
Hoods have existed for millennia. Just ones with drawstrings are pretty recent

kill yourself musou tranny

>>717773323
regretfully, fucking and breeding Lyn to make an army of super soldiers wasn't a core feature of the game.

>>717774208
>But Awakening's cast is NOT popular anymore
bruh even Kjelle is more popular than Ivy and Yunaka

>>717774157
>f you can only manage to be better than 3H
Brother who the fuck is even talking about the game being better or worse? Read the fucking thread before spouting dumb shit.

genealogy was the first woke FE

>>717774052
Cordelia is fine.

>>717774273
Okay come on, be serious now.
I wish Kjelle was more popular, my Kjelle folder would be bigger.

What was your first Fire Emblem game? Mine was Blazing Blade for GBA and I've liked the series since.

>>717774159
My point is that everyone has a different idea of what Fire Emblem "should be" because what Fire Emblem actually is keeps changing.

>>717774170
>>717774119
Its woke.
The most xenophobic race in the world telling you that racism and borders are bad is like a racist liberal lecturing you on cultural appropriation.
Doubly funny now that they are basically full fuck off foreigners mode.

>>717774339
oh no no nooo

>>717774392
Mine was Heroes because I didn't grew up with Nintendo consoles.

>Kjelle turds in 2025
there is truly anything for anyone in this dogshit franchise lol

>>717774290
You're comparing Engage's retarded power rangers shit to Tiki from FE1. I am well aware 3Hfags are brain rotted failed normals who think their shit doesn't stink. But there's a pretty clear tonal break between Jugdral and Engage, and it's a bit dishonest to conflate the two just because you can find an occasional Tina or Sylvia in Jugdral, or a Maria or Tiki in Archanea.

>>717774050
Fates was at least announced well in advance. Meanwhile we’re roughly 6 months from having 3 years without an announcement.

>>717774402
The only flaw in your argument is that the races portrayed in the game weren't subversive and nation destroying.

>>717774017
> The one-note characters went from being forgettable to insultingly bad.
and there it is, fire emblem has always been full of forgettable characters (you said it not me, I love colm) so why are we acting like this is some huge shift
>Then Celine would be popular, but she isn't.
shes the sibling, alfred is the "important" one, plus she doesnt have big tits
>>717774164
awakneing is 13 years old and is also one of the games people say has good characters

>>717773673
I agree with you that the standards are basicly non existent but I feel engage failed to meet even that low bar. seriously the only thing engage has is gameplay and their are other games in the franchise that are more fun to play that I actually like the design of the characters at the bare minimum.

>>717762362 (OP)
Smash bros doesn't get content anymore so Fire Emblem can't be shilled anymore.

>>717774397
I disagree. FE is possibly the most stagnant series ever. Compare Legend of Zelda 1 to BOTW and beyond. Completely different.
Meanwhile Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light has virtually the same gameplay as Engage.

>>717774490
>Tiki
>Jugdral
Are you replying to the wrong person or are you having a stroke? When in any of my posts did I even mention any one of those two?

>>717774563
What the fuck do you want? For them to turn Fire Emblem into an RTS or something?

>>717774604
>a Maria or Tiki in Archanea
reread that, blud
I'm criticizing the general argument being made and agreed upon by Engagefags atm, not you particularly

>>717774541
>so why are we acting like this is some huge shift
I answered why, you didn't read my posts. You're being very disingenuous.
The adjacent games, FE16 and FE17, have polar-opposite writing, and it's very clear that 17's is bad and does not cut it anymore. Hell, 17 has worse writing than 8 does, because it has so much more.
>shes the sibling, alfred is the "important" one, plus she doesnt have big tits
Congrats, you trapped yourself: You now have to argue that Timerra is popular, and you won't succeed.

>>717774664
He wants FE to be like persona and minecraft

>>717774664
Did I imply anywhere that I want the gameplay formula to change? I just pointed out some facts.

>>717774563
>both games have units moving around a grid = ITS LITERALLY LE SAME
thank you god you're not in charge of making any games

>>717774681
What the fuck are you even arguing about at this point and how do any of my posts have anything to do with it lmao

>>717774664
if 3Hopes dialogue is anything to go by, then people just want FE to be a dating sim.

>>717774563
>Meanwhile Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light has virtually the same gameplay as Engage.
Oh god, some retard is going to make THIS argument again?

>>717774746
>Did I imply anywhere that I want the gameplay formula to change?
When you called it stagnant?

>>717774783
It is
Name another franchise that remained virtually unchanged for 35 years

>>717774563
>It's one of these niggers
Yeah I agree Fire Emblem should transition to parry slop like my favorite modern games.

>>717774879
>it just is dont question it ok
good rebuttal

>>717774879
Monopoly.

>>717774792
You accused me of being some kinda 3Hfag first. I explained that just because 3H did it, doesn't mean Engage has license to do it even worse. You've been hitting yourself in your own confusion since then.

>>717774851
I would unironically love an FE with real dating sim elements.

Why do Engagefags feel the need to hold so strongly to the game? If you enjoyed it, fine, but why this persistent need to have others see it as good?

>>717775023
Bizarre post considering people do this with every game on this board.

>>717775005
persona already exists for 80IQ sperms like you

>>717775023
this but with fatesfags

>>717775005
Faggots like him are the reason of why you will never return to your so called days of ""glory""

>>717775023
Is that actually difficult for you to understand? I hope not.

>>717775023
They can't handle that what they like is broadly looked down upon for various reasons. They want to be the ones with the "best" game.

>>717774694
the problem is 3h fags or I guess people that just never really understood the series are trying to act like the series is something that it isn't its fine to say engage doesnt have good writing but trying to say the game isnt fire emblem like is insane
>You now have to argue that Timerra is popular, and you won't succeed.
she comes in with two characters that are objectively better than her and take no effort to use, it really isnt hard to understand why some characters are more popular than others.

>>717775023
>>717775081
They’re the same thing really.

>>717774872
Stagnation isn't a derogatory term. I'm simply pointing out facts.
>>717774938
Question what? I'm not questioning anything. I am simply displaying a truth.
Does Doom Dark Ages play like Doom 1993? No
Does Mario Odyssey play like Super Mario Bros 1? No
Does Resident Evil 8 play like Resident Evil 1? No
Does Engage play the same as FE1? Yes

>>717774968
Not a video game.

>>717774985
>3H is the lowest hanging normalfag fruit. If you can only manage to be better than 3H, you're doing something wrong.
>Brother who the fuck is even talking about the game being better or worse? Read the fucking thread before spouting dumb shit.
>Then you proceed Tiki and FE1
Seems like you have some persecution complex, maybe try not arguing with ghosts and take a small break

>>717774879
Kirby?

>>717762362 (OP)
Lack of ntr

>>717775023
I dont care if you dont like it just dont make shit up or say contradictory shit to why its bad, if you say the game is bad because it has forgettable characters for example than I guess you hate the whole franchise

Engage bad

>>717775231
Forgotten Land doesn't play the same as Dream Land

>>717775143
>the problem is 3h fags
Buddy, I'd wager half the people that even gave Engage a chance were 3Hfags that simply "just bought the next game in the series." This means that even the Fatesfags didn't buy Engage. Engage itself was the problem. If 3H didn't exist, Engage would have done even worse.
>she comes in with two characters that are objectively better than her and take no effort to use
Your earlier argument was that Ivy was popular because "she's the important one" and that she has big tits.
Why isn't Timerra popular? Or did you lie in your talk about Ivy?
Who am I kidding? It's the latter. We're fucking done here.

>>717775171
you have still failed to provide an argument besides
>if both games have units moving around a grid they're the same game
I can be retardedly reductive too and say that odyssey is the same as SMB1 because both games have run and jump, or doom hasn't changed since 1993 because every game is run and gun

>>717775023
They went all in during the honeymoon phase and attacked anyone who didn't see it as the return of the messiah. There were a lot of shitty narratives that were spewed such as "3H was for newcomers and Engage was for hardcore fans". At this point they'd rather die on the hill then just accept the game has flaws and isn't perfect.

>>717775176
Do you really not see the inciting post in which an anon pointed out Tiki in order to excuse Engage's shitty designs, and multiple Engagefags agreed with his take ("it was always like this!!")? Do I have to point it out for you, or do you have fingers you can use to scroll with?

>>717775079
>Romance is... le bad
Persona girls suck anyway, all the main girls are massive bitches because the beta males that like those games think that's the most realistic way to portray women.

>>717775325
false dichotomy you can enjoy older FE games and think they still had better characters than Engage

I want to thank all the Engage haters for keeping the game alive almost 3 years later when they said it would be forgotten in 3 months.

>>717775345
It does however play like Blowout Blast which ironically does replicate Dream Land with its bosses and areas themes

>>717775171
>not a video game
you said "franchise" not "video game", you filthy goalpost mover.
Hasn't pokemon gameplay remained basically the same, just with new gimmicks every so often? The only one I can think of are the "let's go" games, and "Legends" which have a different capture system, but the latter is supposed to be a spinoff, so that might not count.

>>717775534
Even the Engagefags are here arguing, instead of playing Engage.
It's dead, Jim.

>>717775429
>3H was for newcomers
That's true though.

>>717763843
literally nobody disputes that, everyone agrees the game would've sold twice as much if Alear's design wasn't such a normalfag filter.

>>717775171
>I'm not using stagnation as a derogatory term.
>proceeds to falsely claim that FE1 and Engage play the same despite having dramatically different mechanics in order to make some point that apparently doesn't exist because he's not making a point he's just "pointing out the facts".
You're retarded and disingenuous, and by your criteria Doom Dark Ages plays like Doom because you point at things and shoot them. They're both FPS so literally nothing changed.

>>717775434
>You're comparing Engage's
>You're comparing
>You're
>You
>are
If you wanted to argue with that anon so badly then why didn't you do it? Why did have to quote my post and now try to defend yourself from being fucking retarded? Unless you think I'm the Tiki poster, in which case you really are retarded

>>717775634
incorrect.

>>717775595
>Even the Engagefags are here arguing, instead of playing Engage.
How does that not apply to 3H as well?

>FE plays the same
Spoken like a true newfag.

Megaman classic mostly plays the same

Classic Sonic mostly plays the same

FE was changing shit from Gaiden onward. It wasn't until FE5 that FE settled into what it is now.

>>717775771
3Hfags aren't the ones arguing that their game is fun to play.

About to beat PoR for the first time on emulator. I keep hearing RD is bad, is this true? (I like PoR for the record).

>>717775692
Because...you replied to me first? About fucking 3H? Bernasneeda and Whorethea?? Did you forget that?

>>717775353
holy shit finish reading the sentence, people that just played telius and act like its some holy grail of writing or waifu fags that only like awakening and fates for shipping are the same types. that try and say fire emblem is this one thing that it isnt
>Your earlier argument was that Ivy was popular because "she's the important one" and that she has big tits.
Ivy is also a fairly good unit unlike timerra. are you unaware that multiple things can be true at once? timerra being ass, coming semi late, and not having a stand out personality is going to outweigh her being important

>>717775831
If you like PoR you'll like RD. They both have a ton of the same problems.

>>717775831
it is a pretty divisive game but you should still play it

>>717775534
That’s really not hard when Engagefags (especially Aleartards like you) keep stirring shit up.

>>717775790
>Megaman classic mostly plays the same
megaman is dead
>>717775790
>Classic Sonic mostly plays the same
I fucking wish

>>717775369
The core gameplay is literally the same since the beginning and remained unchanged
>move units on a 2d square grid
>each phase, player phase and enemy phases, are separated by an end of turn
>allies gain experience by attacking enemies
>they level up and gain a random set of stats
>they can promote into new classes
>you can recruit new, unique characters across the game
>chapters progress linearly, outside of certain points where you have the option to do optional maps
>>717775582
Alright. I concede that Pokemon also remained relatively the same across the years. It just hasn't crossed my mind since I haven't played any.
>>717775685
>and by your criteria Doom Dark Ages plays like Doom because you point at things and shoot them. They're both FPS so literally nothing changed.
incorrect, since in Doom 1 you can't even look up or down. Or jump.

You're attention, please.
I want to fuck Azura.
That is all.

>>717775595
But I am.
Interrupted because I dont bring my Switch to the apartment I rent for my job.

>>717776062
>might actually win CYL10 alongside Tsubasa
Next January is going to be really fucking funny.

>>717775981
Has Sonic had a good or stable game in the past 20 years? Last I heard most big sonic games that came out were buggy as hell and unplayable.

>>717775790
Now hold the fucking phone, he's a retard but Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 play very differently thanks to the addition of spin dash. Sonic 1 had to be designed in a very careful and considerate way to account for the fact that the player can't just instantly accelerate, a limitation whose removal resulted in Sonic 2's zones being a little more sloppy in their design.
Also Sonic 1 has a lot of more traditional platforming areas which a lot of fans bitch about but imo I think they're a really nice way of keeping the game from just devolving into 2's "just hold right" mentality. And then 3 massively adds to the complexity of act layouts which gives it an entirely separate feeling but that's another thing entirely.

>>717775809
No, 3Hfags instead spent their 4 years of relevancy arguing over whether the retarded nepo molestation victim fascist was correct or the used goods dragon mommy with severe mommy issues was correct. A vast majority of them beat one route and called it good, which is probably for the best since the game falls apart the moment you try playing it again.

>>717775595
>he can't shitpost while playing vidya
weak

>>717775841
And how the fuck do any of those two relate to the Tiki poster which you were just talking about two minutes ago? Again if you wanted to pointless argue with that guy then do it, if you want to argue about the designs about Bernadetta or Dorothea we can do it, but you're jumping around talking about Tiki, Maria, Engage and whatever the fuck else comes to your mind when at no point did I even bring those out.

>>717775982
>actually every FE game is the same because it has a square grid and recruitable characters but doom is different because now you can look up
lmao youre not even trying at this point go fuck yourself

>>717775978
You should pay attention to the OPs each day if you want to see who is really stirring shit up.

>>717774031
No, it's fun. Hard to hate much in it. If I had to stretch it, I guess I hate Ike? He's more defined by what he isn't rather than who he is (which is a problem when that's all he gets praised and seen as special for), feels like an isekai protag with how little he knows about the world he lives in despite being a regular merc working with a crew, and I can hardly describe his personality beyond "no-nonsense yet nice".
Very nothing MC (whose mediocrity also makes Soren shit by extension; Soren doesn't have a close bond with anyone else yet he and Ike bounce off each other about as well as a flat tire off a crevice in the road), but that's to be expected for this series. Dimitri, Hector and to a degree Leif are somehow the only good Lords. Even those all have a power gap between them.

>>717776162
mania was good imo but the game is pretty derivative level wise

>>717772742
https://x.com/mbyleth/status/1953924026809655343/photo/1
Imagine loving Alfred as much as this woman

>>717776131
>KowaSHITai
Not Fire Emblem

>>717776207
>>actually every FE game is the same because it has a square grid and recruitable characters but doom is different because now you can look up
You are supposed to write a silly strawman when you use green text like this. Instead you wrote something absolutely correct.

>>717776162
Colors the original not the remake was solid, Generations both the original and the remake was solid, Mania is genuinely on par with the classic games. That's about it, Sonic Riders is unironically a pretty good racing game I guess I dunno.

>>717775831
make sure to use the laguz royals :^)

>>717776295
True, but it would have one more CYL winner than Engage.

>>717774392
Blazing Blade and Awakening in 2013. Did Blazing first, Florina got stat screwed so badly no matter how many times I reset the maps that I stopped giving a shit and gave into save stating.

>>717776131
>already dressed as her mom
>already dressed as her cousin/husband
What else is there to give her? Are they just going to give her a class swap and call it a day? I'm not sure Shigure's outfit would look that great on her.

>>717776249
I liked Ike's "commoner speak" to high royalty like towards the apostle, but I kind of get what you mean. He's not amazing, but I prefer him over MCs like Robin and Corrin.

>>717776205
I don't know who you are, nigger. This is an anonymous website. I'm attacking the general argument being made and agreed upon by Engagefriends. Capische?
My contention as of now is that BOTH Engage and 3H are tonal/aesthetic slopfests, but we weren't talking about 3H's missteps, we were talking about Engage's versus the franchise IN GENERAL. Hence the appeals to Tiki etc.
You should have never brought 3H into this, that's the fact of the matter. We dump on that clusterfuck plenty enough as it is.

>>717774392
sacred stones

>>717774392
Awakening. I tried to get Blazing Blade for the GBA, but couldn't find it in stores, and eventually forgot about the series until years later.

>>717775982
>incorrect, since in Fire Emblem 1 you can't even toggle enemy range or trade inventory items. Or take advantage of weapon triangle.

>>717776358
>Engage is so based reddit is actively trying to sabotage it
Zamn feels good

>>717776391
>>already dressed as her mom
>>already dressed as her cousin/husband
Yeah, it was pretty funny. It's like they expected her to win multiple times, but gave up and released the unit anyways.
>What else is there to give her?
Any of her female siblings like Camilla or Hinoka, or just go with Mikoto.
Or make a Vallan Queen version like Brave Corrin. They already had a "Queen of Nohr" Camilla, which can't happen. Azura is rightfully the queen of Valla, so just do it again.

>>717776519
Nobody is "sabotaging" it. They're just not voting for it.
Sabotage is like what they did with Camilla, where they all loudly chose Micaiah to stop Camilla. Ended up cucking Camilla out of a prf skill for like 5 years.

>Yuncaca tranny coping

>>717776504
You know you'd have a point if every modern FE game had these features.
Unfortunately for you, RD doesn't have toggleable enemy ranges on the highest difficulty and Valentia doesn't have weapon triagle. So no, I am still correct in my assertion.

>>717776358
>CYL
>Mattering
The first and only truly organic CYL was 1 and the last time a character won based on merit rather than Reddit lobbying and rigging was Camilla.

who fell off the most?

>>717776662
>and the last time a character won based on merit rather than Reddit lobbying and rigging was Camilla.
Gullveig, and arguably CYL4's lords.

>>717776626
>where they all loudly chose Micaiah to stop Camilla
so just not voting for it? same thing

>>717776626
They are actively switching their votes for Tsubasa next year to cockblock Ivy. How is this not a sabotage attempt? 99% never played TMS and they admit to it .

>>717776665
aversa being so low is how I know fe "fans" opinions should never be trusted

>>717776702
>so just not voting for it?
No, they all chose to vote for Micaiah to overpower Camilla's votes.
Ivy doesn't have votes like Camilla did. Nobody is going "GUYS WE NEED TO PICK AZURA TO STOP IVY," they're just voting for who they want.

>>717776642
>RD
>modern
>Valentia
>not an intentional retro throwback
You are retarded.

>>717776665
Cherche probably. Male side seemingly fell really hard outside of Chrom but I don't really know what male characters FE fangirls really like outside of Dimitri so who am I to say for sure.

>>717776764
>They are actively switching their votes for Tsubasa next year to cockblock Ivy.
No, they're voting for Tsubasa because "she deserves it." It has nothing to do with Ivy at all. This is just your victim mentality.

>>717776796
>chose to vote for Micaiah to overpower Camilla's votes.
yes so not voting for it, you dont need to repeat yourself

>>717776665

>>717776870
Ah I see. So when they all switched to Micaiah in CYL3 it wasn't to sabotage Camilla, it was simply because she "deserved it", right?

>kusokihara on the helm again
enjoy the return of combat art slop and 3HRT dogshit class mastery system you idiots lol

>>717776062
This but Lyn, Cordelia, Yunaka, Dorothea, Reina.

>>717776519
>Reddit controls CYL.
>We see what they use it for.
>We are supposed to care about a literal reddit voting event.

>>717776924
>>717776979
>being intentionally obtuse
Micaiah was picked to stop Camilla. Tsubasa has been a top vote in CYL since before Engage released, because of the "but we want more TMS" fags on reddit.

>>717777048
kill yourself

>>717776665
Female side cherche, though everyone's kinda fallen off other than lucy and robin, tiki is probably also higher than she was during that poll
Male side like everyone but Chrom and Robin

Anyone else feel that FE maps have a lack of interesting or varied side objectives in most games? A lot of it is just, recruitment, chest, kill a thief/guy for a drop.
It feels like there could be a lot more variety, but maybe it would become too gimmicky then.

>>717776870
>they're voting for Tsubasa because "she deserves it."
I hate these faggots so fucking much. I'm willing to bet 80-90% of those dipshits didn't even touch her game granted that's no different than the retards that voted Micaiah.

>>717777109
> Tsubasa has been a top vote in CYL since before Engage released
is that true, or did you just make that up?

>>717777171
yes but at the same time i feel like maps are long enough, adding too much might make the game tedious to play overall

>>717777171
Seeing how conqueer and revelation makes these faggots cry, yes it would be too gimmick for you losers.
>captcha KYAXD

>>717777218
>I'm willing to bet 80-90% of those dipshits didn't even touch her game
Yep, TMS only sold like 150,000 copies total or some shit.
>spoiler
Exactly my thoughts. Reddit wouldn't have rallied for Camilla if they knew that Micaiah was everything bad about Camilla, but worse.

>>717776443
>You should have never brought 3H into this
And why not exactly? Is 3H still immune to criticism?
This entire dumb argument started because some dumbass talked about a character with a modern cap, which I pointed out that Dorothea had already done it first and you then started going on rants about which game is better, talking about Tiki, Jugdral and whatever else came to your mind.

>>717777171
I think its okay for maps to have the same objective.
What they need the most is losing conditions you have to avoid a game over.
They could do some cool escort missions but somehow they are terrible at giving you competent green units to pull it off.

>>717777171
What would you have in mind thats different? Those things you listed are basically all the tangible rewards the series has

>>717777234
>Top 50 for CYL 4, 5, and 6
>Top 20 for CYL 7 and 8
>Top 10 for CYL 9
>5th place for Females in CYL9, right next to Ivy
Tsubasa genuinely might win next CYL, if the Sharena "deserves it" votes go to her next.

>>717777171
Conquest did it well. Most of the map gimmicks served to discourage turtleing and force the player to actually engage with the map design. The only gimmick I can think of that actively slowed the pace of the map down was Fuga's Wild Ride, but at the very least you can still do some cool things with the gimmick it could have been fixed by simply not having so many patterns that exist exclusively to fuck you up and force you to waste turns repositioning to avoid death.

>>717777473
everyone hates the gimmick maps

>>717777563
I love them.

>>717777563
I don't.

>>717777618
You are a minority

>>717777563
Wrong but Revelations does suck

>>717777671
you proved him right, retard

why are fire emblem threads always like this?
wouldnt it make more sense for the gachafags etc. to have their own separate threads instead of mixing all the separate groups of fire emblem fans into general threads
ideally I'd like to see posts where people talk about strategy without reading through all the rest

>>717777563
Depends on the gimmick map, or what you consider a gimmick. I like the hospital pottery map, and that's totally a gimmick. I think you can even argue chapter 10 is a gimmick map.

>>717777732
There's a clear difference from the maps in Conquest and Revelations, but you haven't played either so you wouldn't know

>>717777473
Kitsunes suck
Ninja hell sucks
Hinoka map sucks
Ryoma map (playing the intended way) suck
The gimmick maps all fucking suck bro, its why the entire goal when planning a CQ run is to get as much cheese as possible to avoid playing them

>>717777171
my biggest problem with both the rev and conquest versions of the wind map are that if you try to play aggressive with DVs the game just punishes you by dropping reinforcements on top of you and Fuga himself being insanely dodgy and annoying to kill quickly

>>717777767
>"I don't like this part of the franchise, so it shouldn't be in the franchise thread!"
I agree, I don't like Engage's characters, so it should be banned.

>>717777328
Because it's literally whataboutism. The whole retardo argument is whataboutism ("this game did it, so it's ok for my game to do it"), but it's not even convincing whataboutism in the case of 3H. As if anyone defends Dorothea's dumb baseball cap and 3H's weird Pottershit aesthetic.
But anons are equating Engage with Tiki in particular, and I'm trying to explain that a fantasy-race loli with green hair and a short skirt isn't the same level of otaku brainrot as heterochromia toothpaste MCs and power ranger stands with magically powered turbines attached to their backs.

>>717777804
Not even mentioning endgame, which is one of the worst maps in the series if you dont cheese it

>>717777802
neither you because you only cry and whine

>>717768463
He was power tripping pretty badly there. Ronaldo from the second game is worse though.

I haven't played Engage, so can somebody tell me what's so bad about it?

>>717777892
>fantasy-race loli with green hair and a short skirt isn't the same level of otaku
BRO fucking read that outloud

>>717776665
Gerome was popular? Ive always thought he was one of the most forgettable

>>717777972
>you only cry and whine
So saying that I like Conquest's maps is crying and whining?

>>717777457
>Tsubasa wins off of greasy redditor fingers spamming votes
>Self assured in their victory, the redditors tip fedoras at one another and start sucking each other off
>Meanwhile, at IS HQ, they see these results and come to the conclusion that TMS was clearly in vogue now at they should strike while the fire is hot.
>Spend all of their saved up FEH money cache on TMS2, going into immense debt marketing it
>Nobody buys it for obvious reasons
>IS goes bankrupt, Nintendo has to sell the company and its IP assets off to Sony who relegates them to creating lgbt propaganda and games about brave brown girls that fight the patriarchy and speak exclusively in Whedonisms.
Fuck it, let her win. Burn this shit down.

>>717778050
There are big breast women like Yunaka and Chloe. There's only one homosexual (faggot) support for the male avatar. Resetera, 3HRT, Reddit fanbase are insufferable tourists who want to have movie games rather than gameplay.

>>717778050
characters look silly(couls be a good thing depending on your taste) and the story isnt so good thats about it

>>717778050
Its cringe and gay

>>717777892
>"this game did it, so it's ok for my game to do it"
Was never the point and you know full well what the original poster was trying to do when he posted that shit, thankfully this thread still isn't full blown retarded so they called him out on his bullshit.

>>717778096
Chikkers is just a little girl with green hair and elf ears. I don't see why how she is supposed to be this gotcha. Do anons think Engage design haters are against cuteness as a concept?
>>717778250
It totally was the point and 3/4 replies agreed with him

>>717777892
>otaku brainrot
:|
>otaku brainrot, gundam
:OO

>>717778050
writing is awful, character designs are very niche, a lot of characters personality or supports are 1-note or bad, and the maps are overrated.
It's an okay game.

>>717777028
Combat arts where great.

>>717777804
>The gimmick maps all suck
Unhappy Reunion is the best defend map in the series.
Bitter Intrigue is a fantastic example of using time limits to force player engagement and risk management.
Hinoka is actually a really cool map because it's designed around a soft time limit (defeat the boss before you get fucked up by reinforcements) rather than a hard one, a design choice FE doesn't do often enough outside of protecting villages from raiders.
Invasion is another fun one for forcing you to split up your forces to engage multiple objectives at once if you want to maximize your reward.
Even maps like Voice of Paradise and Rainbow Sage have interesting micro problems to solve such as finding ways to minimize risk when dealing with obnoxious lunge units.

>>717778512
maybe if you suffer from brain damage

>>717778434
>loli in a short skirt isnt otaku shit

>>717778457
The world has gotten worse since you were born, yes

Here's a take nobody is ready for even though it's absolutely correct: FEH has a number of really good ideas (easy skill inheritance, proc skills working on a combat timer rather than pure RNG, minimal RNG in general) that would be nice in real FE.

>>717778145
You're not far off, but I'd just expect Touma to be the GHB unit for CYL10.
That said, the thought of IS seeing the ~50,000 copies sold game beat the 1.6 million copies sold game is funny.

>>717778434
>Chikkers is just a little girl with green hair and elf ears. I don't see why how she is supposed to be this gotcha. Do anons think Engage design haters are against cuteness as a concept?
Try to hang with normalfags instead of basing your worldview on 4chan.
10k year old loli dragon/elf whatever is otaku shit and normie repelant.
Nowie was very controversial and it relatively is today.

>>717778649
you wanna distance yourself but my dad unironically would not be able to tell the difference and im sure a lot of other people that aren't into anime aesthetics would be the same

>>717778050
The gameplay is good, but just about everything else is not.
The writing ranges from bad to unbearable. The designs range from ok to awful. The devs clearly didn't understand why the last few successful games were successful.

>>717778434
>It totally was the point
He was called out on his bullshit take by multiple people, whether people were defending Engage's designs or not is besides the point when you know full well that he was just trying to stir up shit for no reason at all.

>>717778794
>Nowie was very controversial and it relatively is today.
It's ironic that you bring her up while also pretending to have any idea of what normalfags think.
Nowi was contentious with the tumblr crowd, normalfags playing the game didn't really give a shit and I know some pretty fucking normie dudes that straight up married their avatar to her with lame cope reasons like "I thought it'd be optimal".

>>717778050
The game is fine, but it wasn't well received by general audiences because the tone and world building wasn't like 3H.

>>717778050
Plot isn't good. Very few deployment slots. Most C supports, especially from the early army, give a bad first impression. Later recruits continuously overshadow earlier ones to the point your first joiners will almost all have been benched by midgame. DLC is poorly implemented.
I can't think of anything else (some folks are iffy on designs, but I can't think of any that don't fit their characters), and while this shouldn't be used as an excuse because the game shouldn't need players to improve it, there's mods to fix all of these issues. Even without them. deployment, unit balance and DLC are the only ones that bothered me.

>>717778727
FEH's skill inheritance was in Engage, and it's arguably the worst part about the gameplay.
>SP grind is ridiculous
>bond battles constantly
>multiple currencies just to only have two skill slots
If you're playing Engage in Fixed mode, it's basically just a mainline FEH, but with uglier characters.

>>717778794
>Nowie was very controversial and it relatively is today.
Nah.

>>717779036
preach it, gacha trannies are peak subhumans

>>717778794
>having children characters is controversial
Tiki isnt controversial she's just a kid and is treated as such, the controversy with nowi is that you can marry and fuck her and her outfit, not that she exists
I havent seen any normalfaggot complain about kid tiki, only terminally online ledditors

>>717779112
I like things about FEH, but SP bullshit should not be in FE.
Even in FEH itself, the SP grind got so retarded that merges now give 1200 SP instead of 120, and there's constant 5x SP bonuses on weekends now instead of the old 2x.

>>717778794
Why do you think I care about the opinions of normalfags?
Also Nowi is literally nothing like Tiki. She's dressed head to toe in actual stripper wear, to this day there has never been a more slutty design in FE. This is why you're so annoying - you equate things that should not be equated.

>>717779036
>and it's arguably the worst part about the gameplay.
I think its fine, the game doesnt intend for you to regularly have 5 broken skills like awakening thats what the rings are for. I think it could have been tweaked a bit but I dont think it was really bad

>>717778971
>normalfags playing the game didn't really give a shit
Again interact with actual normalfags as in ones who don't play FE.

>>717779172
dude shes a child dressed like a stripper

>>717779232
you should kill yourself for liking FEH in first place retarded subhuman

>>717779258
>he game doesnt intend for you to regularly have 5 broken skills
Yeah, which is why they limited slots to 2 skills.
Either you should be able to equip more skills using SP, or SP costs should be removed entirely, and you can equip any two Bond Ranked-leveled skills from an Emblem. Just move the more busted ones down the line.

>>717779251
>She's dressed head to toe in actual stripper wear, to this day there has never been a more slutty design in FE
I don't know, I think Olivia is a valid contender

>>717779362
Read my post again retard

>>717779443
I read it but no one said having kid characters was an issue

>>717779262
>NO NORMALFAG OPINIONS MATTER
>I MEAN THE ONES THAT DON'T PLAY FE CHUD
You might be a little retarded, and let's not pretend as if FE isn't fucking normie. I've seen jacked army guys just playing Fates on their free time, it's not some big secret fucking thing, it's a mainstream Nintendo property.

fates fags?
those doesn't exist anymore lol

>>717779362
Only a pedo looks at Nowi and thinks she's a stripper.

>>717779505
Yeah and I said if nowi didnt have that outfit or let you fuck her she wouldn't be controversial, so why are you or whoever I replied to conflating her with tiki

This is a weird thread. Anyways the first time FE "died" was when Shadow Dragon and New Mystery were poorly received by the Japanese. Awakening was their last chance to wipe the sleight clean and was a huge success in doing so. Making bonds more meaningful was a good change but there comes a consequence in the new audience expecting it for every game going forward.

The recent game being not well received is partially due to walking back on the bonding stuff to make a more traditional FE which the new audience isn't there for.

>>717779641
>DUDE IF THINGS WERE DIFFERENT THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT
try thinking before posting next time

>>717778649
I will load up Engage right now and rename my character VTUBER TRANNY then post it here if you show proof you own a single Fire Emblem game. More than likely you're a PC pirate.

>>717778908
>just about everything else is not
Not true. The music is still great and the battle animations are the best we've had in 3D and the best overall since the GBA era. Also the Japanese voice actors did a stellar job despite the shit script they had to work with. As goofy as Hortensia looks and acts, her Japanese voice actress absolutely kills it during her more serious scenes.

>>717779753

>>717779702
>poorly received by the Japanese
How much less did they sell in japan compared to the tellius games?

>>717779853
The "hardcore" Fire Emblem """fan""" who exists on /v/ are pirates who think their opinions matter.

Which FE games do you fags actually physically own?
>Blazing Blade somewhere, no idea where it is though
>Sacred Stones
>Awakening
>CQ
>SoV
>Had 3H but sold it

>>717779792
>Also the Japanese voice actors did a stellar job despite the shit script they had to work with
im gonna have to disagree desu, with how over the top engage is I expected the voice actors to be a bit more bombastic but it feels phoned in at times

>>717779702
>the first time FE "died" was when Shadow Dragon and New Mystery were poorly received by the Japanese
Both those games sold better in Japan than PoR and RD did.

>>717779913
sacred stones, awakening, conquest, echoes, 3h, engage. everything else I emulated

>>717779913
I own every single Fire Emblem game physically released in North America
I haven't beaten PoR, and haven't started RD, 3H or Engage

>>717779913
Physica: Awakening, both Fates, Shadows of Valentia, 3 Houses, 3 Hopes, Warriors, Engage. I regrettably sold Path of Radiance and GBA games.

The ""fans"" who hate Engage are curiously all pirates and live off PC emulators with save states, the most hardcore of the hardcore who's opinion weighs a lot in the grand scheme of things.

>>717779702
All the doom and glooming is deluded people thinking if they shit on Engage enough then IS will do 3H2 or some shit.
The reality is IS will maybe take a few of the feedback from the 2 games while ignoring the other.
Miyamoto says they consider 30 million sales a success.
So FE has arguably never been successful other than Heroes.
So long as they dont dip to Tellius levels the series is safe.

>>717779913
Just shadow dragon (lying around somewhere) and the 3DS games, rest are either digital or lost forever in the GBA/tellius games case

>>717779913
pretty much every main game from fe7 onward except fe12.
and TMS from the bargain bin

>>717779913
Three Houses and Engage

>>717780043
>I regrettably sold Path of Radiance and GBA games.
get fucked faggot

>"I WANT FIRE EMBLEM TO BE LIKE SHADOW DRAGON ON THE DS, REAL ART DIRECTION, REAL GAMES, HARDCORE"
>pirates it
>sells 0 copies that IntelligentSystems almost goes bankrupt
Same thing with Valkyria Chronicles 4 PC fanbase. Piracy. Now what killed Advance Wars was Nintendo poorly marketing Days of Ruin.

>>717780045
The ultimatum Nintendo gave IS was for Awakening to sell at least 250k units or the series would be killed off. And that was around probably 2011 when Awakening was being developed. Another ultimatum in 2026 from Nintendo would probably be 1 million since budgets and expectations have both increased dramatically since then.

For me it's Shamir

>>717779881
>>717779929
Better by a margin but not compared to how many DS were in the market. To only sell about around 100k more by comparison was actually dire.

Awakening was an actual million seller.

I hope the next game kneels to treehouse

Fire Emblem Awakening is old enough to be a grandpa game like GBA was during the Switch era. Let it go, Fire Emblem Awakening is /v/ approved FE kino grandpa game now.

>>717778050
It's the worst written FE game by far. You need at least serviceable writing to go along with the combat in a FE game.

>>717780496
>a Fire Emblem game that Treehouse has 100% total control over
I don't want to imagine what kind of abomination that would be.

>>717780225
>Awakening to sell at least 250k
If you look at sales thats what NM sold.
If they give an ultimatum it will maybe be the same as Engage.
And that was after 4 games didn't sell as well so to the very least they have to fuck up 2 more games before Nintendo addresses IS themselves.

>>717780520
I press start button have fun time

>>717780573
you will survive if 3HRT indicate anything

>>717780662
NO

>>717780732
Awakening CHADS.

>>717780412
Awakening was a success because it was the first time FE actually had some proper marketing and there was nothing good to play on that console.
>Better by a margin but not compared to how many DS were in the market
This isn't really a great argument since the best selling FE on the Swtich is only owned by about 3% of the owners.

>>717780573
That's just 3H. Hell, they probably had a large amount of influence over Engage too.

>>717780819
SMTIV sold more than SMT usually sold at the time too, right? People were so desperate for games to play on the 3DS during that time.

>FE13 sold a lot
>SMT4 sold a lot
>both companies came together and made the dumbest choices they could have
Amazing, really.

>>717781708
Kiria is hot as fuck though

Who the fuck said you could respond to my post?
Gullveig

>>717781917
I don't need permission

Kiria is my wife

>>717772104
Her hair color varies slightly, even in Awakening. Her full body artwork has it be more pink, but her in-game portrait is more reddish.

>>717780573
I finally purchased the Nohr Corrin figure, It's going to be my first piece of physical FE merch obviously the actual games don't really count.

Fire Emblem chapter 6 has been weirdly easy after 4 and 5 were insanely hard. Karin can visit all the houses on her own, so everyone else can just form a row and escape.

>>717783056
The marks ruined it first and that shit was within the first 5 seconds of the game

>>717782882
Munster is the hardest part. There's one more map after this that can potentially be a bit tough, although it's not that bad either.

>>717783056
What's the problem?

>>717783256
>entire reason Alm is put in charge is because "he's a commoner"
>supposed to show how a commoner can overcome nobility
>he was actually the super secret mega nobility with a destiny decided before his birth

>>717783180
isnt it all munster, or what do you mean in specific?

>>717783056
>first five minutes of the game is child alm punching a fully armored knight off of his horse
stupid stupid ass game

>>717774392
i bought echoes because it was in the bargain bin

shippable player avatars killed the franchise

>>717783853
Mark is constantly talked about in Fire Emblem GBA by Lyn/Eliwood/Hector.

I miss the old /v/ that didn't constantly argue that normalfags flocking to games was a good thing actually.

>>717783948
but lyn doesnt fuck him
thats the difference

>>717783456
Next chapter is the last Munster map, before you return to Thracia.

>>717784056
>but lyn doesnt fuck him
Prove it

i want to be his sow

>>717784109
ah okay, so the first part was the hardest
I can breathe out

the prison break chapters were insane if I were to imagine doing them without emulator save abuse

We've gotten the Japanese numbers, Engage clearly had a good opening, but fell of really hard afterward, which points to something giving it a negative reputation. It can't be something as surface level as the design, as it wouldn't have opened as well.
If I had guess, it's because did a worse job getting people interested in it's story early on, which is arguably the most important part to nail. Maybe a lot of people also disliked the character writing. But again, a lot of this is guessing.
Another option would simply be tone and audience mismatch, IS has been pretty clear that Engage was meant to get kids into the series, which might've clashed with the kind of people who would actually want to buy an SRPG in the first place.

>>717784270
Troon

>>717784056
>Lyn only looks directly into the camera and says "Uguuuu you're so sugoii Jamal-kun." That's the difference.

>>717784270
uhm full image?

>>717784354
It's obviously an implied only image from the framing

>>717784325
>okay, /v/, listen here, this is my cuck fantasy …

>>717783056
I need to give Echoes another shot. I tried it out of spite when everyone was dickrding it for having better story and characters than recent entires (lmao) and quit shortly after Alm and his lame friends tripped into gaining leadership over a resistance force with a far more established chain of command.
I still think it's not going to be amazing; I already don't buy into his romance with Celica in the slightest nor do I believe he'll gaining so much responsibility out of nowhere will lead to poor decisions on his part or any consequences over them. I'd have preferred Alm's Awakening personality, easily.
However, it's only right I actually give the game a fair try instead of playing it just to justify hating it,

>>717783056
>Rudolfs entire plan is hoping his son doesn't die and is able to come up and kill him and Duma
>also sends his cousin out to die cause lmao
>also seals Mila away
>also Celica is a hyper retard to the point her OC brother has to slap her
Echoes is literally proto 3H in that people like it for the presentation and aesthetics but the story is complete retarded garbage. Though in 3H people somehow convinced themselves the writing was good.

>Make "you can fuck anyone" a selling point
>Make the most fuckable girl the MU
Why did they do this?

>>717784726
I don't know, Echoes hates always felt forced to me. If you were there at the time, it was basically just a bonus game. Nobody expected it, and it felt like a palette cleanser after Fates (which I loved btw).
I get being annoyed by all the normalfags with the PREsunTAYSHuN shit, but it's just a charming little remake of a dinky Famicom title. The series's future was never depending on it for anything, it was literally just the extras on the director's cut.

>>717784760
A mystery.

>>717785138
They charged the same price for it as the other 3DS games on top of it having a bunch of expensive DLC. I won't minimize my criticism of it any less. It's as much of a mainline game as Shadow Dragon and New Mystery are.

>>717779913
Physically, only Awakening. I do have Blazing, SS, and SD on my Wii U, which works out for the latter since you still get access to the online shop, and i just started emulating New Mystery.

>>717785247
40 bucks is a perfectly reasonable asking price for Echoes. You only bought the DLC if you're consoomer cattle, or you just really wanted to see Alm in hoplite armor. Everybody saw how pointless it was.

>>717785402
The expensive DLC part was supposed to highlight that IS treated it exactly like they would any other major FE release. A "little bonus game" would have been something they just dropped on the eshop for 20 bucks.

>>717785583
A clear level of effort was put in to that makes it worth more than $20, you know what I mean. I'm just saying what is the point in getting mad at this out-of-left remake? It had no long term influence on anything; its shit maps are a relic of a bygone era. Fates's pricing model deserves far more ire, because Revelation is a total piece of shit that ain't worth a nickel.

>>717785736
I don't know why you think the circumstances behind its creation and release make it immune to criticism.

>>717785138
>it was basically just a bonus game.
you have to pay for it, with money. its not like it was something they gave out for free. its not as good as most of the other games thats all there is too it

>>717786005
Criticism is fine. It's just that a lot of anons act like it killed their dog. It's such an inoffensive little thing, even if you want to be an ebin gameplayfag. Can't understand "hate-playing" it, basically. You're boiling over nothing.

>>717786231
Did you pay for it? How many of the seethefags just pirated it, which is trivial to do nowadays?

>>717786317
>Did you pay for it?
yes I did, I got it when it came out theres basically no reason to play it over any other fe

>>717785736
>because Revelation is a total piece of shit that ain't worth a nickel.
its more fun than sov lmao

>>717786383
I like the equipment and the forging mechanics. You could get up to some shenanigans with the new spells and skills. Music was epic. Characters were not retarded morons for once. Got about 150 hours of it. Gets a C+/B-.

>>717784760
uh that's not Soleil tho?

>>717783390
>muh commoner
I haven't played the remake alm was put in charge because he's mycen's "grandson" and mycen is really famous

>>717786551
>Literal lesbian
Speaking of, did Fates ever get an image like this? I don't recall one ever existing. The fanbase peaked with Awakening.

>>717786594
Yes, but Mycen pretended he was a commoner, and it's why Clive puts him in charge. It's why Fernand leaves them, because Alm was supposedly NOT a noble.

>>717786501
>Characters were not retarded morons for once.
ignoring that, forging is in a bunch of the games, some of the spells are neat but none of the maps are interesting enough to make me wanna keep going with the game.
>Gets a C+/B-.
exactly why would I wanna play a c+ game?

>>717786696
Most Fire Emblems are C+ type of games. Everyone just has 2 or 3 that are A material.
I would still rather play a C+ Fire Emblem than a majority of games, frankly.

>>717786646
>The fanbase peaked with Awakening.
the fanbase has always and always will be shit

If I play as female Alear can I still romance the girls?

>>717786805
if echoes is what we are calling a C+ then the rest of the series is near A++, basiaclly everything outside of genealogy is better than it

>>717786672
mycen was a renowned general and hero of sofia, that's why the resistance wanted him to be the figurehead of their movement, and alm got the job because of family ties. How the fuck did that turn into commoners vs nobles

>>717787017
Echoes is easily top 5.

>>717786903
Yeah, but only with the uncensor patch. The localization makes most romance into platonic endings. Which is weird because they do it for the straight couples, too.
Kinda shocked more games don't let you romance everyone regardless of gender. It's not particularly immersion-breaking or anything.

>>717786903
there is no romance in Engage

Look 3Hfags, I found you a new SRPG to obsess over for another 5 years.
https://turnbasedlovers.com/news/persona-inspired-tactical-rpg-demonschool-has-finally-a-release-date-and-new-trailer/

>>717787189
I think using the uncensor patch should be assumed at this point.

>>717787017
Conquest, Thracia, Genealogy are the only games I love for one reason or another. Engage could almost make it in there, maybe. Nobody populates their S-tier with, they put most of them in general mass of middle-titles. I'd put Echoes over PoR, FE1, FE2, FE11, 3H, and Revelation in terms of me actually wanting to play it. Maybe on par with a GBA game.

>>717787139
thats more than 5 games

I beat Engage on maddening the other day. How good am I? Where does it rank in the series' hard modes?

>>717787342
>Genealogy are the only games I love for one reason or another.
your opinion is not valuable

>>717787342
Hello youtube watcher

>>717787189
>The localization makes most romance into platonic endings. Which is weird because they do it for the straight couples, too.
It's because half the cast is under 18. Which is hilarious, because Alear is 17.

>>717787480
Genealogy hate is also so forced. It's THE most ambitious Fire Emblem ever, say whatever you want about your enjoyment of its quirkiness. It's not hard to see what it would attract a cult following, unless you're crippingly autistic.

>>717787045
>How the fuck did that turn into commoners vs nobles
The remake is very dumb. It makes the plot of Gaiden dumber.
There's a discussion between Clive and a new character named Fernand over whether the leader of Zophia should be a commoner or a noble. Clive wants commoners, and Fernand thinks it should go back to nobles. Fernand leaves when Clive makes Alm the leader, since Alm is a commoner. A few levels later, Alm picks up the Royal Sword, which would have had Fernand back Alm entirely.

>>717762362 (OP)
>What killed Fire Emblem?

You already posted it

>>717762425
Also FPBP and truth nuke

>>717787534
>Conquest top
>Engage runner-up
>PoR bottom
you're totally not just projecting

>>717787601
ambitious =! good
understanding why some people might like it does not mean their opinion is valid in any way

>>717787601
>THE most ambitious Fire Emblem ever
I really dont fucking care if the game is an absolute slog to play
> It's not hard to see what it would attract a cult following,
its just a bunch of people that wanna act like their anime fantasy games are super serious business

>>717765709
FE fans unironically got too cocky during the 3DS and Switch 1 Eras

>>717787812
An opinion can't be invalid. You're autistic.

>>717787601
>Genealogy hate is also so forced.
overrated boring game with insanely annoying retarded reddit/fetuber fagbase so i dont try very had to force hate for it at all actually

Since it's the end of the thread, I guess I don't mind contributing my superior taste as well.

>>717766690
Whatever helps you sleep at night slop eater

>>717787834
>keep feeding me slop and don't you dare try to be anything better
nigger

>>717787884
Gameplaygod, I kneel...

>>717787884
>SHARTgage
>SHARTquest
troon moment

>>717787932
>Binding Blade
>Radiant Dawn
>>>gameplay

>>717787884
kill yourself

>>717787984
Yes

>>717786810
this

its no wonder anyone likes genealogy considering 3H already proved the average player does not care how shit the gameplay is

Would you romance Titania in an FE9 remake?
Yes, you are playing as Ike.

>>717788087
What for? Soren is right there.

>>717788086
The problem I have with Genealogy gameplay haters is they're actually all Conquest and Engage fans (I am too, but I'm not one of you golems). Always. No exceptions. Really makes ya think.

>>717787984
>Binding Blade
Immaculate map design, perfect difficulty, laid the foundation for GBA FE's timeless and iconic look and feel
>Radiant Dawn
God tier mechanics (besides Biorhythm), most memorable Endgame in the series, would be in S Tier if it was a normal FE without split armies.

>>717788087
Thanks to RD you won't have any romance you lonely tranny, but you don't care about your so called plots lol

>>717788304
>Makes you think
About what? They care more about tight gameplay than other fans.

>>717788304
what am I supposed to do with this information

>>717788304
Thracia fan here, Genealogy gameplay sucks ass

>>717788360
Every unit in Radiant Dawn feels the same, even though they tried to hard to make every unit cool.
>Muh ledges!
Ledges are the only decent thing RD adds because it's the most enemy phase piece of shit out there.

>>717788416
>>717788435
No, I've just noticed there's this new breed of "fan" that thinks every Fire Emblem game before Fates is somewhere on a spectrum from "shit" to "better than shit." And I find them to be extremely annoying and kinda dumb. They always have this chip on their shoulder, like an endorsement of an older game equals a pissing on Fates Conquest.

>>717787878
>overrated boring game with insanely annoying retarded reddit/fetuber fagbase
Enough about Awakening.

>>717788605
I'm sorry you suffer schizophrenia then.
I genuinely like thracia, all the GBA FEs (8 is a little iffy though), PoR, and FE12
it doesn't take being some gameplayfag pretender to notice the obvious flaws in genealogy's design and how they affect how much fun you can have with the game, your attempt at putting people into boxes is pointless and doesn't even make sense. people have been hating on genealogy's gameplay for ages.

>>717789047
>people have been hating on genealogy's gameplay for ages.
Not really.

>>717789047
It's forced as fuck. Look out for the pattern I'm describing, you'll notice it at some point. Genalogy derangement syndrome. There are anons who genuinely believe you can't possibly like the game unless you heard it from a youtuber, and that nobody who does like it has actually played it. Even in this thread if you look.

>>717789635
>he actually did the tanlines
Very nice.

>>717789598
that doesn't take away my point that it does not require being some specific brand of schizo to point out how genealogy's gameplay sucks. some random guy taking it too far does not make the inverse true

>>717789598
There are also anons in this thread that cannot fathom the idea of people not liking Genealogy gameplay and being Fates / Engage fans, weird right?