>gamepad fails contra test
So it would seem most modern gamepads fail the "contra" test, being too sensitive for contra (accidental diagonals), and also being too sensitive for precision platforming games with spikes (meat boy or whatever it's called).

Are there any modern gamepads that don't have such diagonal prone d-pad, since I'm not going to be playing fighting games (I also already have existing "diagonal prone controllers" if I ever do) so I'm in the lookout for some gamepad (for Nintendo Switch) that has good d-pad for contra/platformers. Extra points if it doesn't have rubber grips, because those get sticky, and it's main reason I hate Pro 1 controller.

Sony solved this in 1994.

>>717769260
There seems to be some quality differences even among non-sony pads. 8BitDo's 2c seems to be particularly bad, both SPro 2 and 2c are probably eqaully bad, Spro2 has little bit of extra travel so there's a moment where you press and nothing happens, where 2c is more clicky and doesn't have as loose dpad, but they're both equally bad

I don't have contra to test with, but on mercenary kings, Tarantula Pro seems to be immune to any diagonals in that game, t3 lite was second (there was some proneness to it), the mini had little bit of resistance to it. The SPro 1 might be slightly better than both 2C and SPro2 , because the D-Pad isn't quite as loose, and there is little bit of resistance due to looseness, but it's not as loose as SPro 2. But problem is that both of my GameSirs are PS style controllers, so I want to find a xbox/switch style controller with good d-pad

>>717769260
Snoy dpads are the absolute worst

>>717770321
What's the problem?

>>717770354
The separated "buttons" feels like total shit

>>717770354
They suck.

>>717769165 (OP)
Go away already.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717642047/#717642047
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717685745/#717685745

>>717769165 (OP)
Why not buy the actual snes controller?

>>717770628
I like my Switch 2, but I don't wanna overpay for something like that

>>717769165 (OP)
Mechanical d-pads almost never have issues with accidental diagonals. If you want to go a step further for insurance, Gamesir Cyclone 2 and Tarantula Pro (and Super Nova for membrane) have a software toggle to prevent diagonals entirely.
Cyclone 2 also works well on Switch. Most third parties don't bother keeping functional parity for Switch input.

>>717770745
What the fuck kind of company name is Gamesaar? Some jeet shit?

>>717770745
Is it easy to change face button layout on Cyclone 2? I was going to get Super Nova when I noticed how easy it would be to change to Switch button layout, but then I noticed it had rubber grips, which is a no-no for me, because it's why Switch Pro 1 is all sticky constantly

>>717770628
Because sometimes games need both dpad and stick.

dpad fags always complaining about the dpad

>>717770713
it costs 30 dollars and works on pc

>>717770414
they are not really seperated just designed to look like they are

Pic related is the best in this regard, according to my tests playing Tetris Grandmaster 4 as fast as possible, but it's a very uncomfortable dpad to use. Note that this model is the oldest one. Hori makes newer models for Nintendo Switch where the dpad is not detachable, and I don't know how good they are. But overall, the dpads on Hori controllers work correctly, with minimal diagonal errors, but I've heard people complaining about the PS4 Hori Fighting Commander having this problem, so not all Hori controllers are free of it, even though their dpads are better than all others available on the market at the moment.

>>717771432
Because the vast majority of dpads on controllers are garbage.

>>717771432
When even 60-90$ controllers have d-pads that are overly sensitive to diagonals, it's a problem

>>717770628

What game??

>>717771796
I know, but they're separated on the controller face.

>>717771998
joy mech fight

>>717770321
no, they're dogshit but nintendo's are definitely much worse

>>717771803
the design looks silly, and it's wired. Sorry I can't entertain this. I'm looking something similar to Switch style (so something that looks like 8bitdo ultimate) or xbox style

>>717772191
Wrong.

The Vita has the best D-Pad. I have no idea how the fuck these companies keep failing. Literally just copy whatever the fuck the Vita did and put it on a controller.

>>717772575

Thats the PS5 anon

>>717772736
I have a PS5 controller and the D-Pad is horrible... It's worse than both the PS3 and PS4 D-Pads. The Vita is much better than all of them, and it's not even close.

according to mr youtube-san, the 8bit pro 3 passes their contra test. that's great, but i'd like to know if there's xbox/switch shape controllers that can do this, too, cause I already have 2 ps style controllers that do this

>when 25$ mini controller has better d-pad than far more expensive controllers
also weights only 124g , and has *some* gyro, so it's not completely useless... but it's sorta a meme controller

>>717771074
It has the same "hold M+A" swap as Super Nova.

>>717769165 (OP)
>too sensitive
stop having fat hands, you disgusting slob

>>717773134
according to mr youtube, super nova-sama has failed the contra test https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=355&v=2c47w_ta5GE

that's one saar, that's not redeemed

>>717769165 (OP)
Apparently Xbox controllers have nice and clicky d-pads. Either microswitched or collapsing metal dome contacts.

>>717770745
How do you have negative lag input? The controller can read your mind and press the button before you do it?

How is the Wired Cyclone 2 slower than the wireless Cyclone 2?

>>717773134
Super Nova has the ability to remove faceplate easily, and swap the buttons physically. Even if not looking at buttons, it'd be nice to have them have proper letters. Cyclone 2 seems to have much better d-pad than super nova, and it doesn't also have the rubber grips, but being able to change the letters for switch layout would be nice.

>>717769165 (OP)
Xbox 360 controller has the best D-Oad ever designed, it's also the best controller ever made
/v/ hated it because /v/ is shit at video games. /v/ can't even get through a games into cinematic without dying.

>>717773557
Those values are relative to the Switch Pro Controller, as indicated by the title.
Results suggest to me that the Switch has worse USB polling than Bluetooth, and the tests are likely off of stick input based on the order from there.

>>717773705
I want xbox style controller, but it has to have face buttons that can be somewhat easily changed into switch layout. If 8bitdo does the Pro 3 gimmick for Ultimate 3, that'd be it, but it's long as wait.

>>717774138
The 360 controller is easy to break open and swap the buttons around. Not complicated at all. Takes about 5 minutes. 8 screws in the back and can be opened with your fingers. Very easy to selwap the buttons around into the Nintendo layout.

If you're a d-pad purist, then I highly recommend you give up your pride and try this one out. Yes it looks stupid, yes I am a retro games boomer who thought I would hate it. But I gave it a shot and now I fucking love this type of d-pad. It's even good for my NES Mega Man runs.

>>717772192
That's the type of controller you'll only get if you need a super-precise dpad for a specific game. Even then, you'll probably have better options; you just need to look for videos of “pro” players playing games where diagonals need to be precise. There's a Japanese Tetris Grandmaster 4 player who uses a controller, and its design looks traditional, but I don't know which model it is. If you search for videos on YouTube, you'll probably find it.
If the guy is playing TGM4 at an advanced level with a dpad, then you can be absolutely sure that the dpad is good.

>>717774381
This is the Xbox Series type d-pad ? Some third party controllers have it too?

>>717774480
There's like 10+ different brands that use that shape. Internally they typically use tact switches instead of the dome switches in the Xbox Series. Narrow point of actuation means you'll never hit accidental diagonals, round shape provides an area to press for easy intentional ones.

gulikit elves 2 pro.
4/8 way switch for the d-pad.

>>717772815

Its identical you consolewarring retard

Is there way to avoid this from happening? The edges have to be same material as shaft? It's bad if either material is stronger than the other (i think in picrel the edges are plastic, and shaft might be some shiny metal?)?

I would imagine the gliding that SPro2 does (not touching the edges) solves this problem

>>717777443
>he boughted a /v/ shilled controller
lol

>>717771000

>>717776819
The Vita has clicky switches under the D-Pad and the dual sense uses rubber what the fuck are you even talking about

>>717777576
If someone feels the need to say that a joke is not funny there is a near 100% chance that the joke is, in fact, funny.

>>717778058
>increasingly frustrated IT WAS FUNNY
shill for clicks on twitter

>>717777550
being able to rotate the buttons is good trick for some games, but if the stick has a fatal flaw like that, kinda makes you not wanna use the controller

>>717776819
??? vita uses a completely different sensory method, it's dome switches under a rubber membrane
get a retroid pocket and you'll be blown away, genuinely

>>717769260
and then patented it so nobody else can use it
capitalism is a fucking joke

>>717774381
Never tried the series one.
I tried the xbox one controller d-pad and it was dogshit. The stiff dome switches were only adequate for menuing.
On the other hand, I have a Mobapad M6 HD (and a Huben 2 on the way) and the d-pad uses soft but very tactile mouse switches, it's amazing.
If whatever the series controller uses is closer to the latter, then I slightly regret not having bought one but now I'm getting a much better controller overall anyways.

can you just cut the buttons so they're not joined together and can't be accidentally pressed?

>>717774381
The lack of travel drives me nuts, I'm used to membrane dpads.

>>717778529
Like joycons? Yeah sure but it's kinda gay, and some others here have also mentioned it's better if the d-pad feels connected, but just isn't super sensitive to diagonals.

>>717778726
>some others here have also mentioned it's better if the d-pad feels connected
those people are retarded

What the fuck is the Contra test?

>>717778853
For rolling inputs or intentional diagonals, it's absolutely better to have something like a Saturn or Xbox Series d-pad than completely separate buttons.

>>717778991
retro game corps testing if you can rock to the left or right while holding down to trigger left or right directional input in contra

it's a silly test because unless you're silly in the head you're never going to have your thumb anywhere near left or right in contra, i guess there's merit in the fact the NES controller isn't 100% precise in that regard either but not even contra demands that level of precision on the controller from you, nor will any rubber membrane controller with contact pad inputs ever be able to supply it

but yeah if anyone is wondering Tar Pro vs T3 Lite..

Tarantula has better D-Pad, immune to any diagonals, T3 Lite isn't completely immune but is very, very good

for stick gaming, things get more complicated. I think T3 Lite feels better, it certainly is lighter (since it's wired, but also because Tar Pro is slightly heavier than other flagship controllers) the shape is someway somewhat different or something. T3 Lite is super confusing, it looks very long/wide, I even had to measure if the sticks on Lite are further apart than on Tarantula, but they're not, it's Tarantula that has slightly different shape than Lite. Lite works, how wide it is is very confusing, but it's not a wireless controller and that's confusing. Also sub-optimal button layout for switch gaming (which is why I originally bought tar pro), but it's good for Scarlet Tower.

>>717779129
I don't care about diagonals, that's what the sticks are for. I need the d pad to be the buttons they're supposed to be without any diagonals at all. Video games now don't use the d pad as a d pad, they're just extra buttons so they should be made as though they're just 4 extra buttons.

>>717778991
holding down and moving it ever so slightly left/right and checking if your retard goes left/right
dumb fucking test which means nothing
as long as you get tactile feedback from your dpad that makes you realize left/right is actuated it's fine

>buy the snes controller
>play super metroid
>still getting fucked up walljumps
i thought you faggots said this controller had a good dpad

>>717779670
If you want good d-pad to avoid diagonals..

>upcoming 8bitdo pro 3
>cyclone 2
>tar pro (even intentional diagonals are very hard)

>>717779670
Is it a brand new one
Is the membrane worn
Is it """"refurbished""""
Which revision is it
How do you press left/right/left/right

>>717779530
Then for your use case, separate d-pad buttons make sense.
For something like fighting games or shmups, having a separated d-pad is retarded at worst and making more work for yourself at best.

>>717779871
m30 is not separated and i can clearly understand when i hit left/right

>>717779530
>dumb fucking test which means nothing
It does matter for contra style running shooter games (mercenary kings where there's platforming sections you have to avoid flames by ducking), or some pure platforming games which require ultra precision, and you don't wanna press left/right too much or whatever

Basically any game where you have to press "down" to duck, and also move left and right, in those games it's good to be able to avoid from accident diagonals, because diagonals make you prone to enemy fire.

>>717779829
it's literally the switch controller straight from Nintendo, brand new
all their legacy switch controllers have basically identical parts

>>717779670
Single wall walljumps on SoupMetroid is also my goto for testing D-pad diagonals

Nothing's ever gonna beat it, huh? How? How did they do it? Why can't we replicate the success?

>>717780475
the 8bit pro3 allegedly is good, there's only 1 review out but when it releases in 2 days there's gonna be more reviews

>>717780126
Doubtful it's internally the same. This is the same company selling Pro Controllers with dogshit d-pads.

>>717780475
>Nothing's ever gonna beat it, huh?
how does it compare to pic related

>>717780475
I once considered grabbing one of these and one of those 8bitdo DIY kits for it, but I don't know how good they are.
The original M30s have a little hole where people could put a small bearing ball and create a center pivot. The newer M30s have a different hole that makes that mod more complicated. As far as I know those gulikit saturn pads aren't amazing either, though they have some pivot. I'm not sure about any other clones out there. I really dislike how these iconic controllers have all these clones that cannot fucking get it right. The neogeo controller is another case where even their older re-releases, like the PS2 version, are differently built and maybe better or worse, depending. Now you can only find an 8bitdo version which has some awful throw distance. It's sad.

>>717780781
This. Switch Pros have terrible D-Pads, very diagonal prone.. even picrel is better at 1/4 of the price, but is hard to find outside of certain parts of europoor

>>717781026
>shoulder buttons aren't curved for natural finger positioning
>shape is less conforming to a natural grip
8bit is ok but doesn't quite hit the overall comfort.

>>717781247
The issue I have with this one is that with all the bullshit chinese controllers are including nowadays (where they're even causing confusion with the now new capacitive sticks) all this does is advertise shit that any basic bitch controller has.

>>717780691
From the review I watched in YouTube it seems like it's a good hybrid of being clicky and squishy just like the Vita. I like the Xbox controller's D-Pad but I think it's a bit too clicky and it's in a shit location.

>>717781284
Indeed, I have them and I would always bind B/C/Y/Z to the normal 4 face buttons. They're not angled comfortably. 6 button pads have to be "taller" to accommodate the right angle for any thumb to press 2 buttons at once.

>>717779871
meant for >>717779442

the contra test is gay and a good d-pad should absolutely let you press diagonals.

>>717781572
But what about this anon said >>717779442 . Basically if you want diagonals, why not use the stick? Surely your retro game also supports stick... right? Unless you're using a controller that doesn't have sticks. Only case I think of diagonals would be finding game, and 8bit pro3 has those silly things you can now add on top of your sticks, so you can play it like an arcade stick for fighting games, holding it with 2 fingers, without having to buy an arcade stick. And then you use the d-pad for platformers. What am I missing?

>>717781815
>stick for 2D games
kys

>>717782026
If you require diagonals, why not? Arcades had sticks too

>post any gamepad
>muh dpad
Gamepad discussion has become insanely autistic and nitpicky, especially over Dpads. The truth is, your gamepad is fine for 95% of the use cases. Don't worry too much about it

>>717782115
arcade sticks are nothing like analog sticks, retard.

I ordered this gamepad
I will let you know 2 weeks (hopefully) from now if it's good or dogshit, /v/.

>>717782184
What if those 5% are the games you want to play?

>>717782184
d-pads are important and the one thing that most pad makers fuck up.
buttons and analogs are solved and barely make a difference between different pads the only concern with analogs is drift and thats technically solved but first party pad makers are kiked to hell.
shoulder triggers are basically solved too as every chink pad comes with trigger lock now.
thats why people argue about d-pads.

>>717782184
I mean considering that d-pads were never the most optimal way of playing fighting games/shmups, and that most people aren't speedrunners, you're kinda right. Hell some analog sticks are decent enough to do walljumping on super metroid.

>>717782196
yeah I forgot about those holes/gates or whatever

>>717770414
That's why they're good though.

>>717781572
If your finger is pressing on the down direction it shouldn't be possible to trigger left and right. Its simple as that

>>717782184
>your gamepad is fine for 95% of the use cases
Only if the d-pad is used as an "afterthought" for games like splatoon or some other non-dpad centric games, where dpad is just used to swap equipment or something. For games where D-Pad is used for movement (like platformers), it's very important that there's no diagonals. That's why platforming is easy on keyboard, because you never run the risk of diagonals with keyboard. On keyboard, it's 100% skill issue.

>>717782320
>buttons and analogs are solved and barely make a difference between different pads the only concern with analogs is drift and thats technically solved but first party pad makers are kiked to hell.
Nah that's fucking dogshit.
Face buttons are all over the place. You either have the dualsense stuff which has sound dampening and lower travel, the xbox stuff which is just like chewing with your mouth open and it feels like dogshit (yeah, very tactile sure, but that's not good enough) and now companies are using all sorts of different microswitches on them.
And in regards to analog sticks, hall effect has its own problems, even TMR does. If something that's one of the things that third party manufacturers, mostly chinese, seem to be really as autistic about as people are with d-pads. You know that now they're selling another type of analog stick that's supposedly better than TMR and non-magnetic, right? Resolution is now something that matters a whole fucking lot.

>>717782115
Arcade sticks are basically tactile switch d-pads with a lever on top. Try using a potentiometer or magnetic stick for something like BlazBlue, Arcana Heart, or Dodonpachi and you'll understand why d-pad autism exists.

>>717781572
>a good d-pad should absolutely let you press diagonals
Not if I'm just pressing down.

>>717782334
It's not because of the gates, it's because arcade sticks only have 4 directions. There's 4 switches that get pressed by the pivot at the end of the stick, like a d-pad.

/v/ I had a gamepad where diagonals were pretty fucking hard to do, it wasn't fun in fighting games. A dualshock (PS1) that I'm guessing had refurbished parts, and goddamn I'm telling you, doing diagonals was no joke on it. On the dualshock 3 I could do them much more consistently.

>>717782605
What kind of facebutton does swatch 2 pro have? I think it's very nice, and quiet. Buttons, quietness almost everywhere, and gliding stick (not touching the edge) are things that controller got right. It falls short in some other areas though (in-cluding d-pad), and it doesn't have analog triggers either which sucks for platforms/games that support them

My Gulikit Elves 2 arrived and not once did I ever see it mentioned that the carrying case has a cutout for the usb-c port. That's a bonus I wasn't expecting, though I guess the case isn't airtight either.
It's small enough to fit in a pocket comfortably, hopefully I actually like the thing.

>>717783346
Not entirely sure if it's based on model or simply poor QC, but DualShock d-pad quality varies a ton even in the same generation. I have one decent and one dogshit PS1 d-pad, both purchased new, and my DS3 was just as bad as the dogshit one.

>>717783346
If you want to do diagonals easy buy 8bit Ultimate 2.. doesn't matter which version. If you also want the d-pad to feel extra loose like a ravaged used pussy, Switch Pro 2 controller is your choice

>>717774381
Position makes it shit to use for 2D games regardless.

I hate third party controllers for putting low quality microswitches everywhere.

>>717783876
elaborate

>>717781026
You can fully depress the D-pad (very bad) but you can easily rectify this by inserting a ball bearing under it. After that, the d-pad feels very good.

>>717783876
Im not exactly sure yet, but I think microswitch d-pads fuck with my inputs in ways membrane d-pads did not.
Cant tell if its because of the way microswitches work, or because modern pad makers just keep fucking up the d-pad itself and dont do pivots right anymore.

>>717771000
That joke has a higher bodycount than your mom.

>>717783876
They mostly don't cheap out or run things out of spec like Logitech mice do.
Unfortunately they are more annoying to replace than membranes, especially when Flydigi drenches them in super glue.

New Ultimate controller with the D-pad of Pro 3 and Pro3 button swap gimmick (since they're not gonna do the saaar tar pro rotation) for Scarlet Tower, would be welcome.

>>717771535
>>717770628
It WAS $30. Dunno how much it is after the Trump Tax.

I own every NSO controller eggsept the Genesis one. Ask my anything. (This includes the Famicom controllers)

>>717784178
>They mostly don't cheap out or run things out of spec like Logitech mice do.
Shots fired.

Sora v2 chads, we can't keep winning like this, not forever

>>717771000
It's very, very ironic name. But because of it, it's catchy, meme worthy, and once you have one, you sorta start wishing it was actually made in India, so the circle would complete itself.

>>717784178
Since they're putting mouse switches on these, couldn't you just grab some kailh ones and solder them after they start double clicking or whatever?

>>717784848
Yeah, you can. I fucked up my Vader 3 Pro not knowing there was glue in addition to solder, but it's a simple enough swap if you know what you're doing.

Good thing about ultimate is that it's not rubbery, it's hard plastic, so it doesn't go all gooey or sticky like some controllers with rubber do. Sadly the ultimates d-pad game is not there yet

>>717785283
that gives me hope. I heard mobapad uses mouse switches too.

>>717769165 (OP)
He said 8bitDo pro 3 has a pretty good dpad

Is it worth getting an Xbox controller? All other controllers have an internal battery and I don't like that, but I'm also worried about stick drift.

>>717785360
If your controller's advertised as fully mechanical, odds are high it's microswitch face buttons and L2/R2 trigger stops, and tactile switches everywhere else. Not all of Mobapad's controllers are full mechanical, but it applies to Chitu/Pro-HD at least.

>>717785742
These are supposedly on face buttons and the d-pad.

>>717786048
Cool looking dpad on that.

>>717786110
Yeah I heard that on this one people actually prefer using that one than the cross shaped one which it also includes. If my hunch is right it's supposed to be the same as the M6 HD, which would make this d-pad godlike in my opinion

you can disable those in software

>>717786048
Not familiar with that controller, but Chitu advertised the face buttons as omron switches the same way. D-pad still has tact switches like in >>717785742

>>717780691
The Pro 2 dpad sucks so I have no reason to believe the Pro 3 will be good.

>>717786345
Damn. I wish there were some teardown pictures. I could probably just disassemble one of mine but fuck, kinda don't wanna do that

>>717786354
the same guy that reviewed pro 3 doesn't seem to have contra test for pro 2, but if the diagonals on 8bit pro 2 is anything like Switch pro 1 and 2, then the new 8bit Pro 3 looks to be night and day difference to 8bit Pro 2

>>717786354
8bitdo changed up their D-pad tech recently with the Ultimate 2, now they're more like the Vita D-pad.

>>717772332
no u

>>717786634
I wish the 2C had a black or white version. What were they thinking with those colors?

>>717786620
The Pro 2 passes the Contra test. It's still a shitty dpad.

>>717786717
be glad yours not pink

>>717773134
What's the material on cyclone 2? Is it rubber, or some kind of patternized hard plastic? Will it get sticky over time like Switch Pro 1 does?

>>717786547
Most controllers seem to get teardown videos eventually, unless they're super obscure. Most chink brands are just
>undo 4 screws
>pry open with a tool or old credit card
>undo 6 screws and maybe a ribbon cable
so it's not as bad as digging around in something like a Dualsense at least.

>>717786345
Well fuck me. The M6 HD specifically has something similar to mouse switches underneath the d-pad but these are smaller. I've seen these before on other pads, for clicky bumper buttons.

This gimmick actually works for certain games. Too bad it's not ergonomically quite as capable as T3 Lite, and sticks are also slightly questionable in their travel, might be they have some kind of built-in acceleration I need to turn off in some software? dunno

>>717785450
It's good but too flat. D-pads should have a little dip near the center to make rocking them more comfy.

>>717787148
you mean the grips? all plastic

Wow nintendo are actual jews. This was a problem with the first switch pro controller, and its literally because the ball under the pad is too short. I swapped the wiiu pro controller dpad in and it fixed it completely. Incompetence, malice or jewery? I legitimately have no idea.

>>717787374
They default to perfect circularity, which is usually a colossal meme. Can definitely be turned off in software, might be something you can do with a button combo.

>>717787826
It could be there are people that want to be able to do easy diagonals with their d-pad. It sort of lowers the skill floor with some fighting games or something, maybe that's how these gamepad makers see things

>>717781396
It's a good cheapo 2nd controller to have, cost's like 25-30$ , is 1/2 of the weight of Pro controller. much smaller size, and still has some kind of gyro too. Battery life is of course shorter at 8 hours, but you never really begin to notice it imo, since you'll be charging it when you go to sleep or something.

>>717785575
xbox pads regularly go on sale and thats the time to stock up. I personally love the ergonomics and controls all around and I have rechargeable eneloops for batteries so the only things that have better battery life are wii u/switch pro controllers

>>717769165 (OP)
Hori controllers will be your best bet for modern ones. I have a switch pro (original wired controller, they ended up redesigning them and i can't vouch for those) and the dpad on it is excellent.
I also have a 6 button "Fighting Commander" and it's good but not as good as their switch pro.

Personally though if i'm emulating contra i use a Sega Saturn pad + USB adapter. Absolutely nothing matches it.
>>717769260
Their dpads are atrocious.

>>717769165 (OP)
>Contra test
It's a meme

https://youtu.be/0P_90sxJJSE?si=oZHsam9V7O2ya9wI

>>717787972
It's not a boon to fighting games either. Mushy d-pads with a tiny pivot can sabotage half circles, tiger knees, and alternating opposing directions.
Nintendo's d-pad design hasn't particularly changed since the SNES, so that's another factor leading me to believe it just isn't an aspect that gets its due diligence with QC after sticks became the primary input for movement.

>>717785575
I don't think they're worth their price personally, but for your criteria you could either make a DIY project out of it or buy one off eBay with TMR sticks modded in already and never have to worry about drift.

>muh diagonals
autism is treatable there days :)

Did I fuck up?

>>717770321
Vita's d-pad is literally the best d-pad ever made and they refuse to reuse it. How the DualSense exists like that is beyond me.

>>717790740
>that much money on that shit

>>717790634
Too bad your retardation isn't

>>717790839
The Nintendo switch online controllers from Nintendo cost about the same

>>717790740
I've never once heard anything about their modkits

>>717790634
are you disabled?

>>717790964
They also have dual sticks and ergonomics, retardo.

>>717791252
I'm talking about the N64, GameCube and SNES controllers that Nintendo sell to NSO subscribers, not the pro controllers (which I already own)

>>717790854
>>717791230
autism
no cure
but treatment exists :)

Is there any game at all were a controller is actually better than MKB? I honestly can't think of a situation where controllers win out in terms of min/max gameplay.

>>717791681
It's just nice to feel the original control scheme

>>717777443
anti friction tape
or internal restriction gate like the switch 2 pro controller

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Af6FQBz34

>>717782236 its very good

>>717769165 (OP)
EasySMX X20

I saw a review from linus that named this controller king (including 1st party controllers).
Other reviews also had high praise with its only shortfall is lack of programmability for the back triggers, and an only slightly higher than average latency when wired with excellent latency over 2.4 band.

I bought one and so far think its the best controller ive ever had. It took a couple hours to get used to the mechanical short press buttons but they are inarguably superior to membrane.
I can only not recommend this controller to anyone who needs a 1ms fighting game controller. but if thats what you need, just buy a joystick pad.

>>717790336
>Hori
I prefer the Horny controller when playing Gal Gun 2

>there is still not even one (1) controller that has four independent buttons for the dpad

It really is insane.

>>717791681
Most games are better on a controller.

pic related and ns2 pro con are still the best, but i also liked the bigbigwon blitz 2 and vader 4 for a bit. the latter's software is ass

>>717792423
>Most games are better on a controller.
Name a single one.

>>717792130
>EasySMX X20
I had this. It was really nice.
The newer version SMX D10 is better. The buttons feel much more tactile and less mushy.

Here's my breakdown
>PC
Xbox 360 controller. The real one.
>PC emulation
8bitdo
>PS5
Dual Sense
>Xbox Series X
Standard one that with it.
>PS4 in bedroom
>Dual Shock
>Xbox Series S in bedroom
>Standard one that came with it
>Switch OLED
Nintendo Pro Controller
>PC flight and driving games
Trustmaster Stick and some generic wheel
>Android
Backbone One
Holy shit I just realized how based I am

>>717792732
>SMX D10
Though, I will add. I am not a huge fan of the finish on the controller. I prefer the hand-feel of the Switch 2 pro controller.

>>717792423
>>there is still not even one (1) controller that has four independent buttons for the dpad
Bro, your joycons?

>>717782236
Heard their software supports kbm binds now, which makes Mobapad one of three brands (alongside BigBig Won and Gamesir) that has that available onboard
not sure if it's exclusive to Huben 2, but I like the feel of the Chitu so I hope it's good

>>717792460
What gives first party the edge over Blitz 2 for you? Kind of interested in Blitz 2, haven't heard any negatives for it beyond no analog triggers

>>717792954
Thanks for the insight, but I wasn't talking to you, now was I, Fuckface? Sooo how about (you) STFU and go back into your basement, Asswipe.
Don't ever reply to me again

>>717792954
I can't consider that a controller.

>>717792513
Elden Ring

>>717792732
The D10 has the exact circular dpad issue that OP and myself want to avoid.
Its insanely annoying when trying to use dpad to navigate grid layouts like keyboards or inventories.

My first third party controller was a ps2 fake. It had a circular pad and I did a cursed mod to replace it with a genuine ps2 dpad from a dead controller. I held it in place using hot glue and toothpicks. It was awful but still better than circular dpad.

>>717794236
>circular dpad issue
I hate to be THAT guy, but it just seems like a skill issue. I have no problem doing not clicking the diagonal movements on it.

why are diagonals always an issue but nobody ever complains about non-diagonal directions

>>717769165 (OP)
Get a MOCUTE 060, the directional pad is literally 4 separate buttons. I think MOCUTE made a variant that's a standard controller, and not a telescopic one, but I don't recall the name. Anyways, literally no chance of false diagonals here.

>>717795481
That's a piece of shit. Backbone One is all you need and is actually good

I miss my fucking DS2

>>717794860
Cardinal directions involve actuating one membrane or switch, and always have plastic positioned directly above them for the purpose. Diagonals involve actuating two, and involve simultaneously pressing two cardinals on a + shaped d-pad...unless it's a shit d-pad, in which case pressing one cardinal might hit an adjacent diagonal anyway.

>>717777443
>>717791871
There are also silicon rings. I put them on my steam deck and they're still holding up like a year later

>>717772192
>and it's wired
this is not a problem if you are not a 13 year old niggerfaggot

nintendo consistently makes the absolute most dogshit controllers since the snes, it's pretty impressive how bad they are even when they try to copy the xbox it feels like cheap chinese trash

>>717790740
I have the N64 mod kit and I played a lot of Mario 64 with it. My only complaint is that it's a Gamecube style stick, but otherwise it works very well on my Linux pc in d input and I tried it on a switch and it's recognized as a switch online N64 controller. The only thing I haven't tried is rumble. It activates when the controller pairs but I haven't emulated anything that uses it yet. It's easy to install but the Z button is a bitch to get right. I had to reposition it three times before it was pressing normally. the first two attempts it was stiff

>>717791442
You also have to pay for Switch online to buy those, and the expansion pack is required for the N64, Genesis and Gamecube controllers. If you already have originals from your childhood, it's more cost effective to get the modkits. They're reservable, so you don't have to commit to anything

>>717797653
They make the worst games and hardware too, so it's not surprising

Gulikit Elves 2 initial impressions
>Solid Saturn d-pad. Any misinputs on this are 100% user error.
>Wired Switch mode can be overclocked to 166.67Hz, from the default 125Hz. Not sure why it caps there, but it's stable.
>Bluetooth more responsive than many wired controllers, as Gamepadla shows.
>Bluetooth range is incredibly shit, you need to stay close to the device you're connected to.
>Bluetooth shits itself after awhile if connected to a phone over Moonlight. Don't use Moonlight often enough to know if this unique to the controller, but the phone itself or Elves 2 wired to the phone never have this problem. Bluetooth's stable connected directly to PC.
>Fits in a pocket, just small enough to be portable. Comes with a form-fitting case to protect the sticks in transit.
>Case has an usb-c cutout, so it can be charged inside it.
>Case's plastic clasp looks ready to break off after opening it once.
>8.4% stick circularity error, similar to a Dualsense. High stick tension. Small sticks are probably difficult to be accurate with, but it's a necessary evil for the size.
>Gyro seems smooth, but I'm unsure of accuracy. Binding it to mouse through DS4Windows seems to gradually desync from where I'm aiming, even with mouse acceleration off.
Mostly wanted it for Moonlight so I'm disappointed it's faulty there, but it seems pretty nice for $24 otherwise so far.

Will gamers ever be graced with the "perfect" controller one day? How many years have we waited already?

>>717772192
>it's wired
thats a pro not a con

>>717772192
>the design looks silly,
it looks like a fucking controller
what??

>>717798609
Turns out the Moonlight issue goes away on Switch mode. Might be a polling rate issue?
Need to give the sticks more use, but this seems like a controller worth recommending for retro use, fightan/shmups, portability, or for anyone who doesn't care about analog triggers, back buttons, or software customization. Look forward to me bitching about Gulikit being the worst brand ever in a few months.

>>717799359
If there's a perfect controller, nobody will be able to sell new controllers. It's never happening.

>>717769165 (OP)
Series X|S controller doesn't have this problem and I play a lot of THPS. Switch Pro is shit for it and gives you constant accidental diagonals.

>>717798609
I actually got one of those today. Dpad feels nice but my fingers are too long so its a bit uncomfortable.

>>717792460
>drifts in 6months

>>717800964
had 0 drift on my blue dualsense after 2 years

>>717791681
Most racing games. That genre is literally the only usecase the vast, vast majority of people are ever going to come across.

The best dpad I ever used was the Wii Classic Controller’s but everything else about the controller was meh, and the upgraded version had a worse dpad.

>>717798609
I saw on the store page that the non-pro doesn't have abxy swapping which is lame.
What does it default to in PC mode? Is the bottom button A or the right button?

>>717792423
Joycons prove that individual buttons are dog shit

What controller does /v/ even give their seal of approval these days anyway? All the hardware tubers keep promoting 8bitdo's Ultimate 2 but I am highly certain they're being paid off to say that

>>717773705
Fuck off contrarian, the 360's dpad is notoriously bad, probably one of the worst after things like some of the CDI controllers.

>>717798609
Also it 70% passes the Contra test. Good enough that I don't care, but maybe someone even pickier about accidental diagonals than me does.

>>717801447
For any input mode,
If you're using it for Switch games, A is the right button
If you're using it for other games, A is the bottom (B) button

>>717801772
Firsthand experiences:
>DS4
>Dualsense
>Cyclone 2
>Vader 3/4 Pro
>Elves 2
>IINE Bastet or Fantech Nova Pro if you don't give a shit about the d-pad
Stuff that looks interesting that I haven't been given a reason to doubt yet:
>Blitz 2 TMR
>P5 8K
>Direwolf 3
>Tegenaria Lite
>M30 2.4g

>>717801772
Ultimate 2 is good but I can't deal with its shape. The handles go straight down instead of being angled like an xbox controller and that hurts my wrists. Some of the functions are just stupid too, like that button that looks like a switch share button doesn't take screenshots, it changes the stick RGB and that's it. If you decide to get one though get the cheaper "wireless" version, NOT the bluetooth version. Even if you want bluetooth, neither one works over xinput without the 2.4ghz dongle, and the NON-bluetooth one even has steam input over bluetooth. Yes, the one that's advertised as not having bluetooth has better bluetooth functionality than the bluetooth version. They even added Switch and Switch 2 support despite not advertising that.
I'm using a Cyclone 2 mainly. It's overall good but the plastic is a little cheapish. It's great for the price though.
The Vader 4 Pro is also good but absurdly overpriced imo. It's more expensive than anything 8bitdo or GameSir and doesn't even come with the charging dock.

>>717802573
>>717801772
>>IINE Bastet or Fantech Nova Pro if you don't give a shit about the d-pad
or the sticks frankly, the sensitivity's fucked on both settings
it's pretty stacked otherwise compared to most poorfag controllers despite its flaws. Hall sticks, hall triggers, trigger stops, xinput+ds4+switch modes both wired and bluetooth, 2 back buttons, symmetrical for claw grip, good latency both wired and wireless, rare third party with a ds4 touchpad, $10-30.
Can't stress enough that it's not a controller to buy for the d-pad though. It's fine for games that don't need anything technical and it's not the worst d-pad I own, but I would never use it for anything that demands precision. Even for claw grip in souls games it easily spits diagonals and swaps your weapon when you only wanted to switch a spell or item.

>>717774381
That groove in the middle needs to be on more d-pads, it lets you glide your thumb back and forth or up and down worry free. Not to mention the thing is so damn clicky you won't accidentally input anyway. I don't know about fighting games but for platformers it's great if you can get past how damn loud it is.

>>717772192
>wired bad
holy zoomerola

>>717801772
I shill 8bitdo for free. I genuinely like their controllers. I have an Ultimate 2 but I haven't put it through it's paces yet. My go to is the Pro 2 and I really like it. Being symmetrical makes it a nice all rounder for modern and retro games. They have a Pro 3 on the way that has the dumb charging dock that they keep adding on to shit to raise the price

>>717769165 (OP)
only fags play d pad games

>>717803218
If you upgrade the firmware of the Ultimate 2 wireless and wake the controller with Home+B it can transmit d-input through the 2.4ghz dongle, and that means steam input at 1000hz. If you return the controller to its dock before it turns off from inactivity, then it will remember it's set to D-input.

Speaking of Steam Input, what's the actual effect on latency? I've seen it cited everywhere from 1 to 30+ ms additional latency over ds4windows, rewasd, or zero software.

>>717804295
d input on steam also lets you customize the extra buttons now so you don't need to use their software and you can map them per game

>>717799359
If Gulikit adds a touchpad to Libra Max before it releases it'll be endgame.

>>717790740
I'm pleased with the NGC controller kit I've got even if the sticks aren't 100% accurate (left analog needs higher tension). If you want the original stick back on the N64 controller I highly recommend these drop-in replacements from XYAB/Hand Held Legend https://handheldlegend.com/products/hall-effect-oem-style-joystick-for-n64-xyab

If only ASCIIWARE didn't die out while HORI lives to this day. They made the best 3rd party controllers of that time.

>>717779530
>holding down and moving it ever so slightly left/right and checking if your retard goes left/right
Is that what's that called? That shit was god awful on the Wii Pro controllers(not to be confused with the WiiU controller). I remember thinking my controller was busted or something. The dpad was crazy sensitive when you pressed down because you'd go left or right if you didn't press it right. Same for pressing either left of right, you'd be pressing the up and down directions as well.

Fuck that noise, how is this shit seen as normal? I've never own a controller with dpads that sensitive.

>>717797805
but wireless usb c controllers are based
when is the switch 2 shit going to work on pc

>>717780475
SEGA fags must really not play anything else than Sonic and fighters, because the alignment and size difference of the buttons makes it a pain to play any platformers or action games with a standard Y-B/X-A/Square-X setup for your main action and jump

>>717782184
t. Zoomer that only plays Fortnite and AAA slop or subhuman that plays 2D games with analog

>>717811662
Was talking about the d-pad numb nuts. It is literally perfect. Its one of like, three controllers I'm able to do single side wall jumps in Super Metroid with. Perfect inputs in Street Fighter. It is the gold standard we routinely fail to live up to.

>>717802573
Solid list honestly, especially putting Cyclone 2 and Vader 3/4 Pro near the top-those two are criminally underrated despite the price weirdness on the Vader. Big agree on skipping the IINE/Fantech if you're even remotely d-pad conscious; they’re “deals” on paper but pure cope in practice for anything serious. Been eyeing the P5 8K myself, but it feels like we're still waiting on someone to stress test it with actual 8K polling outside of marketing speak. M30 2.4g still feels like the last good 6-button layout with a decent d-pad that doesn't autofail diagonals. You ever try the BMPro from Brook? Not listed but it's been quietly solid for me.

>>717769165 (OP)
xbox series x d-pad is the best one. the 360 got meme's for its shit d-pad so they went overkill on the successor, it's seriously the highest quality pad I've ever used. Precise, clicky, and doesn't wear out since it uses metal domes.

>>717769260
yeah by making a d-pad that's useless for everything.

>>717813258
Can't wait for MS to change their controller for the sake of change even though they perfected it already.

>>717799658
I think there is nothing more retarded than releasing a cheaper version of the same gamepad that fixes bluetooth latency while not fixing the pricier one, it just bothers me so much

>>717814269
As always, thank you for beta testing.