Thread 717769261

TWIALS OF MANA

Angela!

>>717769261 (OP)
I want to play this game just for her.

stoopid = sexy

I think Charlotte is cute in a non-sexual way and it makes me happy to help her on her adventure.

Is the Charlotte/furry boy route worth playing? I did Angela (best girl) and Riesz' routes, but everyone says the other one sucks.

Belladonna's furry ass. but good game

How does she do it bros. How does she command the title of Queen of Rape Doujin for 30 years

>>717769739
I'm glad the remake made Angela's popularity explode. In the original Riesz was the only character people cared about, but seeing her slutty designs in 3D made people appreciate Angela more. Plus the whole her being the absolute best late/post-game character in the game.

>>717770919
Trials of Mana is good

>>717770598
I mean, the choice of villain only really matters in the last 10% of the game so If you did the other routes and you still enjoy it, you might as well.

>>717771413
It was more of a Jap-problem though, it was only released there, and Riesz is like made for Japanese fanart.
But, I am glad Angela was true to her design

>>717771413
>unfucks magic in general (no more screen freeze, spells are real-time now)
>gives original concept art designs to second and third classes, not just a sprite recolors like in original (so Magus Angela is boner-inducing)
>gives Grand Divina one of the best passives for farming (basically infite amount of MP)
Her only issue is that both No Future and Expert Modes nerf damage magic way too hard, and while Riesz and Charlotte have support magic to still be viable Angela barely has any

>>717769739
Why did they kill the Mana series after Angela worked so hard to save it?

why does trials stay more relevant than any other mana game?

>>717772973
Unironically, they forgot to release the new Mana game on the Switch

>>717772973
>kill
they didn't really kill it
The team behind Trials remake was busy with SaGa 2 remake (which also ended up being really good and faithful for a low-budget remake) while Oyamada picked up chinese dev team who was talented enough to make faithful 3D model of Riesz.
It's not the fault of devs or Oyamada himself when China saw the success of Black Myth and said "nah, why bother collabing with nips when we can just make our own games" and announced the dissolution of that dev team before Visions of Mana even came out (so it was their last project).

>>717772973
>hey what if we made a Mana game... that played nothing like a Mana game
>GENIUS! Let's get some Chinese slaves to do the job
At least there were Palamena's meaty thighs

It's incredible how crap writing in visions of mana ruined it vs the much cheaper trials remake.

>"heh. hasnt been one of these in a while"
>checks to see if any beladonna pics are posted
>leaves

>>717773321
and that cat guy who was vergil

>>717773318
Which is really funny because Black Myth Wukong really didn't deserve that praise, that game is a massive steaming pile of souls inspired dogshit. Seriously fuck that game and anyone who shills it

>>717773218
You know why

Why would Angela box topless?
https://files.catbox.moe/ryubjc.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/xonewy.jpg

>>717773561
It was the most aggressive chink shill campaign I've seen and the complete silence afterwards proves it.

>>717773318
>>717773321
>>717773353
I really liked the environments and visual design of Visions so I hope they can replicate that and actually make a decent game this time

I bought Trials just for Charlotte and didn't regret it.
I did not play as any other character.

We have a new queen of curvature

I wanted to like Visions of Mana but not a single character design was good other than the squirrel tailed bitch and the combat was not good either

Angela ass is hot but you can't barely see only when the AI is jumping

>>717773745
shes too beautiful. she can just ask her way through anything

Riesz, Angela, wolfguy(with Tifa mod) best team

Trials cured my insomnia, holy shit what a boring fucking game.
>inb4 duuuh you only played it for four hours you didn't get to the good part 69 hours in
The fact that every character had their own prologue was pretty cool though.

>>717773218
>SD1 (FF Adventure / Sword of Mana / Adventure of Mana) was pretty big back in the days for one of earliest ARPGs done by Squaresoft, on Game Boy of all platforms, but by today's standards it's very short and nothing special
>SD2 (Secret of Mana) is a clusterfuck of a development all because Sony cucked Nintendo by not delivering on CD-ROM add-on for SNES and making Playstation instead, so you get a messy game that was only popular in the West as baby's first JRPG
>SD3 (Trials of Mana) was made from cut content of SD2 and followed western RPGs like Ultima / D&D / Wizardry (which nips really love, see DQ and SaGa series) so it became a cult in Japan but never came out in the West until remake
>Legend of Mana was a thank-you project from Kawazu to Ishii for helping him with SaGa Frontier 1 and is basically a reskinned SaGa game with Mana characters, but because both LoM and Frontier 2 were developed at the same time they had some rough results (LoM has so many complex mechanics yet the combat itself is BRAINDEAD)
>SD4 (Dawn of Mana) was Ishii's bad idea of copying Half-Life 2 after being given a second chance to bring back Mana series to life (it was frozen until better times due to The Spirits Within killing / freezing 95% of Squaresoft's IPs) and the ending result SUCKS
Making a proper remake for SD3 as to market it for Western audience (while having the long-time support of nip audience by default) and NOT fucking things up with rewrites or censorship or other dumb bullshit (yeah, rip multiplayer and 2D sprites, but the trade-off was worth it) made wonders.

>>717774337
>>SD4 (Dawn of Mana) was Ishii's bad idea of copying Half-Life 2
Huh wait what?
Can I get a QRD? Never played Dawn

my second playthrough was the mobile port

>>717770567
*Casts Protection*

Made for pleasure corruption

>>717774760
>SD was de-facto ARPG series for Squaresoft in the 90s and doing pretty damn well
>series goes into limbo because of TSW killing Squaresoft and them relying only on super big IPs (FF, DQ, KH) to sruvive after deal with Enix
>eventually things calm down and Ishii gets a chance to bring SD series back
>"hey, I saw that kickass Gravity Gun in Half-Life 2 where you can throw objects around to kill enemies and solve puzzles!"
>uhhh, maybe we should follow the modern example of Kingdom Hearts and do a proper ARPG of 00s, especially since other devs are making them as well these days?
>"nah, what engine was HL2 using to pull off that Gravity Gun? Havok Physics? Yeah, we're using it for SD4 as part of World of Mana project"
>b-but surely some of games in World of Mana will be safe ARPG and not just experimental stuff?
>"nope, I'm also making RTS and dungeon crawler Mana games! And your only "safe project" is bloated remake of SD1!"
And then World of Mana project bombed and Ishii was told to retire
Dawn of Mana sucks because it's not your open-world ARPG with usual RPG progression but some sort of 3D Classicvania (game is split into eight big linear levels) with VERY mazy level design (it's full of tunnels and high vertical rooms where it's easy to fall into the bottom of the room), where RPG stats don't exist (you get ATK, HP, MP and other minor stat increases by "stunning" enemies with objects thrown through your sword vine aka Gravity Gun, where your max level is Lv.4 and it resets at the start of each stage, where you need to manage elemental bullets propery because without them each boss is a tank that takes fuckall damage unless you weaken them with proper element and where optional content asks you to farm previous levels to farm medals to buy medals and use pets for time trials. And the story is as bland as SD1 (it also took Anise from LoM and turned her into Big Bad of entire SD series).
Dawn fucking sucks, and I had to 100% it out of respect for series.

>>717773218
Highly replayable.

>>717777935
I forgot to mention that RTS (Heroes) and dungeon crawler (Children) games were on DS
I wonder why RTS title on DS from a series that just came out of being dead didn't sell well...
And I still think that Dawn looked pretty nice, it's just the whole gameplay wasn't very fun (Legend had similar issue but at least everything else in LoM was top-notch, from graphics to story to music to usual Kawazu autism with gameplay mechanics like golemology and crafting) and it barely felt like RPG, let alone ARPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sKzAEuaTwU

>>717778541
It's just so strange they seem to reinvent the wheel every title, basically no Mana games play the same (except for somewhat close relation between SD2 and 3)

>Thread immediately ruined by a porn addict dumping his ecchi folder
Why are you guys like this?

>>717778657
exsqueeze me, but she le poops from there, monsieur

>>717779070
uh, It's just a rash
yeah

>>717778541
I remember liking Children of Mana. I wish you could equip multiple mana spirits since I always just went with Wisp for the heal. Never got a chance to play it multiplayer, either. Their new HD-2D game, Adventures of Elliot, has a Magicite system that reminds me of CoM's gem system, plus it was what's basically a Ring Menu. I'm looking forward to that one.

>>717773729
She should have been the villain of kevis' story.

>>717777273
quite a few skeb commissions

>>717779314
>light classes
lame

>>717779406
anymore you have?

Whenever I feel down or sad, these running animations always make me laugh
https://youtu.be/mHedHOHHock?si=-8arM9U0DoszGoM7

>>717771368
She is popular with tentacles.

>>717771368
Her and Bianca

>>717780030
its golden
>>717779783
thanks

>>717769261 (OP)
what is this creature?

>>717780830
Chawlotte fwom twials of mana, she is slightly wetawded.

>>717769261 (OP)
Team for No Future
>Archmage, Liege, Fenrir Knight
>Fatal Fist, Necromancer, Edelfrei
>Nomad, Fenrir Knight, Archmage

Thoughts?

>>717781097
Uh bro no one actually played the game, we just appreciate the curvature and fertility of Angela.

>>717781097
the game is so easy it doesn't actually matter at all what classes you pick.

>>717772479
>Expert and No Future
Just Expert. In No Future you just go Archmage and she has one of the easier times.

Anyone have the party parrot video?

>>717778679
It was fine for Squaresoft to experiment with the genre in the 90s (when the average budget for PS1 wasn't too high, so pic related was a norm to them), but by the time they turned into S-E and seventh gen was around the corner it was way too risky to pull off stuff like that (which is why many devs moved onto portables with lower budgets for titles). I mean, SD1 itself started as experimental RPG on handheld console, just with real-time action, and it just so happened to be a success... but maybe turning your fourth mainline title into an expensive experiment in a market full of successful ARPGs (especially when your own company had already found ARPG successor for SD series that is Kingdom Hearts) is a bad idea? Keeping experimental titles like Heroes and Children is fine, but don't turn Dawn into one.
And yeah, the similarities between SD2 and SD3 are easy to notice because both games were made from Maru Island leftovers (or rather whatever was cut from SD2 and didn't make it for Chrono Trigger was used in SD3).
>>717779237
I remember Children being even more tedious and repetitive than SD2 - the potential for something cool was there but the grind and quest system left a sour taste in my mouth. I did hear from lucky people that having a friend to play it together helps a ton, but alas I've also played it solo.

>>717778541
I remember the RTS being fun. The bad reviews of Dawn of Mana made me stay the fuck away, and I didn't even know about Children of Mana.

>>717772479
The only time magic is shit in the original is vs the black rabbite. It not as good as swording and puchning but they nerfed magic because SoM was nothing but magic spam.

>>717781778
Your team composition actually does matter in Expert/No Future. Angela is pratically worthless in Expert because they overbuffed magic defense. NF really wants you to build around making your MC into the main super damage dealer because everyone else sucks under AI and you have a timelimit on fights.
>>717781097
Beat the game with each character once and have them end with specific classes for passive carry over, I forgot what the optimal ones were. Buy all of the endgame gear from Pedan and then just copy one of the generic team setups.

thanks for giving me a featureless kink, Trials

>>717782346
did you play towards the end of the game? i gave up after unlocking subclasses

>>717782251
Magic sucks against knights, wolves and ninjas because they get pissy and counter spells when touched. This also includes the bosses that clone them notably Bill/Ben and Lugar who are mandatory midgame bosses.

Kevin gang where you at

>>717769261 (OP)
DECHI

Visions was alright. Melee got some extra variety since there's 9 core movesets instead of 6 but then they decided to give players the option to snooze walk their way through the game by holding triangle the entire time with Morley outside of a couple bosses.

>>717782346
>>717770919
>>717773729
Her human form is hotter and its a shame the cat stole practically all art from it

>>717782623
Sexiest female character in the game BY FAR

>>717782834
she is sexy but her cat form is her naked jumping all over and bending her ass when stunned. good lord

>>717781950
Nevermind
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm36750304

>>717782701
I just exploded everything not blocking water with Undine and then Darkness limit break which even oneshots most bosses

>>717778541
I liked Children of Mana.
Although that may be mainly because it was my introduction to the series.

>Sample
fuck off

>>717782623
gross.

>>717782471
About to go sleep, dreaming of best boy

>>717781097
Third party sound really comfy for NF
>Archmage
Yeah, the only usable Angela in NF. Move MP Saver 2 and Judge are must-have (plus Enigma if you control her).
>Nomad
Best Hawkeye class if you bring him with Angela (for Reclaim and Move MP Saver 2) - add his own Move MP Saver and her can spam Crystalline, Hand Axes and Bumpkins to be main damage dealer.
>Fenrir Knight
Best debuffer in the game, so duh

For other setups
>Liege
A good support + tank but I guess Angela's the main damage dealer in that party then?
>Fatal Fist
I think it works in Expert but not NF
>Necromancer
Probably the only good class for Charlotte in NF for a debuff role
>Edelfrei
Good damage dealer + buffer but I think he won't do well in that party.

>>717783663
The best boy indeed

>>717772973
They didn't make a Switch version, that's pretty much it. Trials, and mana in general during the gen, only sold on Switch when compared to the other available versions. The day they released the game that was only available on ps and xbox the studio responsible for making it got shutdown

>>717783386
skeb doesnt have the full version on site unless your the commissioner

>>717782913
You know it.

One thing I felt was missing was optional retro colorschemes.

>>717769261 (OP)
the HECK is THAT THING???

>>717785606
The light of the universe.

>>717786617
CUTE

>>717785089
Wish you had the option of changing their hair colors like in the original.

>>717788350
Sexo. Why didn't they keep the booty flash move in the remake?

>>717788814
No snek tits either.

>>717779823
vinesauce has always been shit from the start, kill yourself

>>717789924
Original for reference.

>>717791749
>>717789924
The ethics department was a mistake.

I didnt like the combat as much in Visions

>>717778541
Heroes of Mana also suffered from being a fucking grid based RTS.
Your units would bottleneck like crazy anytime you wanted to move them.

>WATS YOUW FUCKING PWOBWEM, WETAWD?
That post still sends my sides into orbit when I think about it

>>717782471
Yo.
I took Hawkeye with me but didn't like Duran. Charlotte at least had a distinct design compared to the other two whores.

>>717792965
Is she flashing a tit too?

>>717769261 (OP)
Trials of Mana is a great game, but why in the hell did they chose Unreal Engine? The texture pop-in whenever something gets loaded for the first time is too noticeable.

>>717783747
Edelfrei is bizarrely the tankiest and the hardest hitting class because of its passives.
>>717783897
Yeah, skipping the switch was a death sentence for the sales.

>tried demo on Switch
>English voices
>play Kevin's story
>"lol"
>delete game
Dodged a bullet there. I'm not one to complain about dubs, but holy hell, how did that even pass voice direction?

this woman

>>717793835
Edelfrei has access to Offensive Stance which increases Atk by 40% while decreases Def by 40%. Def doesn't matter in No Future because you get OHKO'd by boss attacks and as an off character, Duran can't die because of Guiding Sword. The elemental sabers are a bonus. It's really good to have an Edelfrei. Plus, Kevin doesn't have access to Enigma, so he needs Duran to draw the enemy's attention.

>>717782667
holy kino

>>717769261 (OP)
new Mana game when

>>717794725
Right after two more attempts at gacha with aggressive monetization and power creep

>>717773737
The studio closed down immediately after Visions released

I finally beat Legend of Mana for the first time after all these years. I'd always just get lost in the middle and lose interest so this time I used a guide so I could get every single quest done. Great way to spend a weekend but what the hell was that ending.

Maybe I should watch the anime sometime

>>717794228
Consider the following:
Angela but with Chawotte's voice.

aesthetically I loved this game, Mana has such a rich variety of monster design, but my god did this game play like this

>>717795092
play like shit*

>>717782623
holy

>>717794662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fl5mQl-5JY

that time Riesz was in a fighting game

>>717793831
Because SE has this weird obsession with shoving everything into Unreal whether it fits or not. Trials deserved something lighter or more optimized, not an engine designed to render every hair follicle on Lightning’s chin. I love the remake but that initial 2-second delay loading NPC outfits in towns made me think my switch was wheezing its last breath.

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I always loved that the Mana games kept the small references to classic Final Fantasy when it branched out into its own thing. I love seeing connected universes within themselves, not a crossover like MvC but a spinoff paying homage to its sibling series.

I think FF going full-on ARPG is going to bode poorly for Mana.

>>717793835
No joke, Edelfrei Duran with Guiding Sword is basically immortal offscreen. You slap on Offensive Stance and suddenly he’s dealing more burst than Berserker Kevin, while tanking absolutely nothing because he doesn’t need to. The devs probably just shrugged and said “yeah, that’s balanced.” Honestly makes No Future mode less of a slog when he’s holding down the fort like an anime dad with plot armor.

>>717789924
>>717791749
no... this censorship... SQUEENIX... how Fucking dare you... the game is Ruined.... my Wrath WIll Be felt...
>posts on X

this shit was so good

>>717796084
Built for Lucent Beam spam.

Charlottes voice gave me a boner

>>717785606
>>717774224

>>717796573
NOOOOOOO
DON'T SUCK MY COCK!!!

What awe we gonna do on the bed?

>>717769261 (OP)
Visions was the most retarded Mana game I've ever played. Daelophos did nothing wrong and the Goddess is evil simply because she's incompetent. What a dumb game and waste of my time.

>>717795967
Those thighs did things to me.

>>717769261 (OP)
>is my game broken?! IS MY GAME BROKEN!!!

>>717769261 (OP)
>>717769739
>>717770419
The original SNES Trials of Mana still holds up

>>717798114
There never was any "Trials of Mana" on SNES.
SD3 only came out on the SFC. 80% of games never came out in the west back then.

>>717774337
I’d also like to point out we had a cool Secret of Evermore thread last week which hit bump limit, it’s one of those rare comfy times on /v/

>>717308746

>>717795967
Strange game where Fist trumps all. I like the multiple weapon system the game has but the Fist was really good.
There were times where your magic can hit multiple times in a boss, killing them very fast.

>>717778057
The SNES version is my most replayed and probably my most replayed RPG in general, as a youngster you have more time and energy to spend on these games, so much so that playing the official translation sucks because I’ve grown too used to the fan translation names.

>>717798343
They went back and actually released the remake's translation for the original as part of the Collection of Mana for Switch. It's playable on an actual SNES if you can get it on a cart.

>>717774337
>>SD2 (Secret of Mana) is a clusterfuck of a development all because Sony cucked Nintendo by not delivering on CD-ROM add-on for SNES and making Playstation instead, so you get a messy game that was only popular in the West as baby's first JRPG

Didn’t Chrono Trigger borrow some elements or ideas from Secret of Mana?

>>717782623
HEASUUUUU

>Standard noble knight character: Duran
>Feral wolf boy: Kevin

>>717798601
Doesn't matter. It was released for the switch, not for the SNES, so it's not an official SNES game.

mana series just can't surpass the trial girls

>>717777807
>Kingdom Hearts mentioned

SD series kinda sorta was like if Kingdom Hearts came out in the 90s

>>717779314
>3rd Anniversary

Crazy how it and FF7 Remake are both 5 years old now

>>717779550
At this point Riesz is like the Krystal of her series she exceeds the popularity of her own series and for many years too

>>717799987
Sexo scorpion trapped in a dead game

>>717793081
watt post?

>>717779823
He’s so slow the Bananza gameplay, was he this slow with Mario Odyssey or any other 3D platformer? I don’t even think he was this slow with DK64

Wish the remake had coop.

>>717780467
Consider listening to the Secret of Evermore soundtrack too

https://youtu.be/DqNmNcMATLk

>>717782294
Different colored eyes are so sexy

>>717782623
>Deleted

Sadge

>>717785089
Nice!

>>717785089
Never liked how Paladin Duran went back to having his default hair color, it should’ve been white or gray paying homage to Cecil

>>717770598
>>717771975
don't you get all routes if you pick all girls, or all boys?

Vision is a good game. The retards should had made it a switch 2 launch title!!

>>717788350
This is easy R34 material I wonder if any artist did it already

>>717789924
>>717791749
At least Dryad has an ass now I guess lol

>>717801163
The "route" is determined by the main character, which determines which of the three final areas you visit.

>>717801109
>Please glaze Final Fantasy!!!
Nah

>>717794725
Lol lmao you already forgot?

>>717797806
Rabite Slippers! Cute!

>>717801575
Is it even worth a buy on discount?

>>717769261 (OP)
Isn't there a slingshot bikini mod for her?

>>717782667
>I kill him
why?

I'm playing the Romancing Saga 2 remake and you can easily tell it's made by the same team as the Trials one.

>>717801795
Yes

>>717801795
It was alright.

>>717801109
Would had been too much white.

>>717801575
Had the shota been a romanceable loli, I'd've of boughted it

>>717800547
i'm hoping some autist mods it in

>>717802379
>Almost got Orc'd
Shes a funny one but once she got Guanyin, she destroys everything.

Rape Riesz :3

>>717769261 (OP)
she will never be Veronica

>>717808394
She is the original

This is an evil woman

>>717769739
Kablammo

>>717781097
Careful with picking Duran for NF, his boss battle with his father is the hardest battle in the game in that difficulty.
He can one shot you with any technique, so you need to do the battle flawlessly or almost flawlessly.

>>717798359
>mediocre game that somehow gets remembered by plebs who didn't know back then how we were robbed of SD3 instead

begone

>>717808804
>psshh, nothing personnel kiddo
>*teleports behind u*
>*knots ur pussy with beast cock*

>>717769261 (OP)
Back in my day we called it Seiken Desetsu 3, and it had a superior (fan) translation.

Bunch of slack jaw'd faggots around here.

>>717810327
>tfw when you call them Final Fantasy Gaiden: Seiken Densetsu and Seiken Densetsu 2 instead of Final Fantasy Adventure and Secret of Mana

>>717769938
Play it for Faerie feet.

>>717769261 (OP)
How was that new one anyway? All I heard about it was that the dev studio's Chinese overlords closed them down like a week after it came out.

Your balls.
Present them.

>>717810662
The studio was really only there to make the game. It was planned. But people say it sucks, though I haven't got around to it yet.

>>717810662
That's a huge meme, it was planned from the start but nu-/v/ really enjoys getting click-baited into autistic screeching

>>717810327
>inferior (fan) localization.
Fixed that for you dechi

>>717810662
It has tremendous tonal whiplash. You are presented with a world and characters that look light and happy, and then brutal death happens to them without any explanation. Gameplay wise it's not much different from the Trials remake. If you enjoy any of the Mana games, youll enjoy this one

>>717769261 (OP)
combat is just qt cutscenes, how can anyone enjoy this or tales of

>>717810662
I thought it was really fun. Gameplay was an improvement over Trails. Would say it is a solid 8 outta 10 for me. Careena also was very cute.

>>717810662
AND THEN HE JUST LETS SOME GUY TO DEPRESSURIZE HIS GIRLFRIEND
WHAT A LOOOOOOOSER

For me the only cannon games are 1,2&3.
They franchise went downhill starting with Legend of Mana. Too many weird designs (furries) that creep the franchise to this day.

I'm a believer that the man that as keeping things together was Hiromichi Tanaka, not Koichi Ishii. Yeah, Ishii created all the monsters and unique visuals, but Tanaka gave the games structure.

Kameoka Shinichi is also a cancer that ruined the series with his odd designs.

Maybe someone will produce a new game based on the lore of the earlier games.

>>717812720
The same fag that botched XIV 1.0? lol

>>717812720
>Too many weird designs (furries) that creep the franchise to this day.
Stopped reading there, Mana's furries are incredible and whimsical and perfectly in line with the series. Legend how so many mysterious, cool, varied Character designs, including for normal humans, I have no idea why anyone would complain. It literally did Gem people before that became popular. Hating this is basically just admitting you have an irrational stigma against furry characters for whatever reason that could be...

>>717812904
>>717812904
-brains behind FF3 nes
-producer of Secret of Mana
-director of Trials
-director of FF XI

>>717813025
Completely disagree. Furries are cool in small doses (Nico the merchant in SoM), but LOM over did it. After that the franchise became furry fest.

I also hate that cactus thing. Keep that shit away from my mana.

>>717813229
why do you hate cute shit

chex

>>717809490
>*unsheathes katana of thread derailment*
Bro you can't just go from edgy teleportation memes to full-on knotposting without at least one ironic JoJo reference. That's against the sacred /v/ scrolls.

>>717798689
Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana were basically the same game when Maru Island's development was still going (Maru = Round, check what's the round island in SD2).
Sakaguchi wanted to make REALLY big (in terms of content) JRPG to make something even greater than FF, and for that he aimed for few things during development:
>he absolutely had to use CD-ROM capabilities of huge storage space (to be able to fit all the content that was planned) and high reading speed (so that it actually felt like real-time ARPG)
>he asked Toriyama to be the artist (he was already working on Dragon Quest series for Enix, their rival company, and he was on peak of his popularity with Dragon Ball)
>he chose Seiken Densetsu as the game's basis because he kept saying that ARPGs are the future and good sales of SD1 just confirmed it
And their development was going smoothly (think FFXV done right, aka not Frankenstein tied together from separate ugly chunks of content but a proper big ass ARPG with multiple story routes and endings) until Sony cucked Nintendo. Squaresoft couldn't release Maru Island without CD-ROM so the project was sort-of abandoned - Sakaguchi started developing a different game with Toriyama with SNES cartridge storage in mind (while reusing some Maru Island's content and Toriyama's art), and that's how Chrono Trigger was made.
SD2 was still built upon Maru Island, but with a different artist (who just redraw Toriyama's characters in his own style, it's why Randy is literally Chrono and Purim is literally Marle) and cutting off TONS, FUCKING TONS of content just to fit the game on SNES cartridge. It's why you can fucking pinpoint the moments of the game where the locations are too fucking empty and rushed (and so is the plot), or how some dungeons are made from several parts of different dungeons if you look into file names for map data (see entirety of Sealed Continent). It's really sad because SD2 could've been great if not for lack of CD-ROM.

>>717807536
riesz , please....

>>717769261 (OP)
This game was sick as hell.
Visions of Mana was total garbage sadly.
Studio Xeen was the difference maker

>>717812331
>Gameplay was an improvement over Trails
*ahem*
*clears throat*
AHAHAHAHHAAGAHAHAVAGAHAHHABWBAHAHAAHAJABWBABABBABAAB

Bnuuy

>>717819087
do not trust him

oh to be shrunken by Belladonna...

>>717795967
My first Mana, I was fucking impressed by then, wish they remastered it

>>717818801
nta but you didn't play it, very obviously

>>717820241
I played the demo for an hour and that was enough to see that Visions fundamentally plays like absolute dogwater.
If Visions had good gameplay, Trialsfags would have been all over it. Literally all I care about is good gameplay kekaroo

>>717812331
>. Gameplay was an improvement over Trails.
lol
lmao, even

>>717812720
right

>>717813025
wrong

>>717821352
So you didn't play the game, got it.
>but trials players
They're stull butthurt about no switch version.

>>717810551
Whenever that fairy was on screen my boner was uncontrollable
The fucking curvature of this onahole...

>>717818801
>>717821352
>>717821567
All you do in both of them is spam your best melee combo for hours on end and spam magic if you're in one of the few magic classes. Maybe the occasional CS if you feel spicy. They both have their low effort you win builds too like Light Angela and Moon Morley.
Visions just sold worse because it got hit with the one two punch of no Switch and Denuvo.

>>717822585
The way the game fundamentally feels to play isnt gonna change from the demo to the full game you dumbfuck imbecile kekaroo
This is the type of unironic retard that actually bought this piece of shit floppeded game KEKKLE

>>717821674
Fuck you

>>717810973
Yowr bawls.
Pwesent them.

>>717824231
The characters being underdeveloped and the plot being a much worse version of final fantasy X is a bigger factor, especially since the story is completely linear so you have to suffer through it all over again if you want to do a different strat.

>>717801795
discounted its like 40 dollars including tax which is about right, at launch it was 60 dollars which was not worth it.

I'm waiting for an even deeper discount cause I have other stuff to play

Visions had the issue of the demo dropping you midway through the game, and suddenly dumping a lot of mechanics at once on top of you, which was very confusing and offputting.
I think for JRPGs in general the best demos are the ones that let you play the beginning of the game and carry your save to the full one. That sold me on the Romancing Saga 2 remake, which was also by the Trials devs.

>>717777807
>out of respect for series
but not yourself, it appears

>>717828208
>FFX
Every mana game involves sacrifice as a major plot point. It was good that they didnt rehash the "world religion is secretly evil" plot for the 100th time.

>>717830478
>Midway
It drops you near the end of Chapter 1. Its just awkardly paced and you can feel it when you get back to that point in the real game.
If they had just used the moon village stuff as the demo hook, i think it would sell the game better.

>>717801163
You can go through all the possible routes with a team that is entirely composed of boys and girls, yes. People generally just recommend a certain boy/girl combo per playthrough since each pair shares a villain.

>>717830965
Visions specifically went with "A new chosen one has to be sacrificed every x years to keep the world safe, and they have to feel honered for it" approach, so I think it's particularly comparable. And it's still impressive how the reveal of how it all came to be made it even more pointless than usual.

>>717830478
>Visions had the issue of the demo dropping you midway through the game
No, people complain about either of outcomes anyway
>waaaah why does demo drop me at the start of the game where 2 out of 3 hours are tutorials and I can't tell if the gameplay gets better further on or not
>waaaah demo dropped me somewhere late into the game and I can't figure out all these game mechanics by myself, I need to be spoonfed through each of them to understand how game works
And yes, I've seen both cases of such whining being present on bunch of forums, /v/ included

>>717831914
>FFX
You are intentionally taking the path of a summoner, no religion or magic chose you to do it.
>Visions
The spirits choose the person who best suit their particular criteria. Not everyone wants to be an Alm (see Careena's "boyfriend") or was particularly ready for it (Palamena had a lot of misgivings over leaving her little brother alone to rule).

>>717832321
In visions the ones chosen could in theory give up their role if someone else volunteered and the spirit ahreed, but i suppose the most substantial difference is that there is a group of people to be sacrificed, rather than a summoner expected to take the job.

I need to finish this game but golly I just remember getting bored playing it, even though I lived my party of Charlotte, Angela and Reizs

>>717770567
built for vore

He will forever be one of the fucking coolest square characters. Everything from his dim witted motivations to his insane powers. He is the only one who fucking swims across the ocean instead of taking a boat fucking insane.

I enjoyed Visions of Mana a lot. Not perfect by any means, Trials remake had smoother combat and much more replayability, but still a very wholesome and comfy experience. In some ways it was actually kind of therapeutic for me, but that's due to personal reasons rather than any innate quality of the game itself. You can really tell that the devs struggled with what limited budget and time they had, I think they had the potential to make something truly great but were fucked over by the higherups. Morley best girl.

>>717833085
what a lad

>>717832914
To be vored or do the voring?

>>717771368
i was on a yuri kick when i played this game so i couldnt accept the rape doujins and was sad over them.

>>717773218
im honestly not sure. the children of mana music is so much better and sword of mana has the better story too. i grew up with and am nostalgic for SD3 but objectively its not very good.

>>717773561
i remember seeing an estelle mod but that was not enough to get me to play it

>>717833408
to be vored. and absorbed

>>717782040
grinding in children of mana is a bad move, or really a bad move in any of these games except adventure. just play the mane quest and completely skip all side quests

>>717770598
Kevin is meh, but Charlotte in the first slot makes her the main protagonist, and some of her cutscenes are hilarious. You should definitely play hers, but Kevin? Eh boring.

Also iirc the naked furry woman only shows up in Charlotte's story.

>>717801109
its red to pay homage to sumo nigger

>>717795967
this game was an unfathomable glow up for a childhjood game for me, but its inflexible and easy difficulty was a disappointment

>>717834003
Kevin has the better story vs charlotte, the only thing lame about it is his best friend not actually being killed at the start.

Why does Riesz have so many scat doujins

>>717798879
For all intents and purposes SFC = SNES, kys autist.

>>717833085
And yet he doesn't just swim across the lake to reach Wendell.

>>717834502
maybe there were alot of poop jokes in the snes version and some guy had an idea

>>717834003
I thought she was Hawkeye and Riez MC route

>>717808734
Wood

>>717798493
You kinda have to use three different weapons because of the random immunity stuff. However fist being the best/second best caster weapon was strange.

>>717833930
I'd definitely want to do both to her

>>717837095
Which monster gets to eat her?

>>717798343
>>717798879
Autistic pedantry is for faggots.

>>717837560
good thing we're on 4chan then!

>>717837245
Harcypete

>>717838496
Hot but a little cliche. I want some nasty monster eating her.

>>717789924
>>717791749
Because showing her nipples would spike the rating. Unless you have her hair glued to her tits and that would look more ridiculous

How do you beat Duran's father, Loki, during Duran's 1v1 fight for his Class 4 item? Here is my current ability set up

-Tough
-Offensive Stance
-Beast Roar
-Attacker
-Finishing Blow
-Finishing Blow II

>>717835025
She is.

>>717837245
One of the lizards or wolfmen would be plenty degrading

>>717840916
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/switch/266193-trials-of-mana/faqs/78707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfhMfP3qc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkc5gj-NMmE
Assuming you were talking about NF Loki

>>717808734
She can cure my morning wood

>>717771368
>The one were she gets captured by Belladona, throws her at monsters Belladona tells her she has 100 revival items so she wont die from rape yet
Diamonds

>>717839846
Fine

>>717833085
I love the way he talks in the SD3 fan translation, Kevin and Ayla would be best friends, in fact they would make for a cool drawthread request of them sparring with each other or something

>>717838496
Avian Bird Harpy Sexo

why couldn't squeenix just kept making passionate b team games like trials of mana

>>717844282
Because it's a remake and same dev team made SaGa 2 remake after ToS remake
Remake teams aren't gonna make OC AA games because then they'd have to come up with something by themselves and that would require way more resources and time than low-budget remake.

>>717769261 (OP)
My wife's game was better

>>717844282
they literally did

>>717818801
You havent played it.
Trials of mana is very, VERY spammy. Visions at least have some tempo and strategy behind it.

yeah, that happened...

>>717845356
That is one of the most offensively corporate demakes SE ever did

I miss pre-Ethics Division Square Enix.

>>717846442
I miss Square.

>>717846442
They don't check every game.

>>717846207
Sounds like a (You) problem

>>717845323
nah

Visions of Mana was legitimately great visually and it would be a shame of SE just discards the engine without doing anything else.

>>717846819
Yeah, most people don't care about SaGa or RPGs in general so they wouldn't know how awful Revenge of the Seven is, monkeys see sameface gacha waifus and they're satisfied with just that.

>>717846729
I know. They focus mostly on the mainstream/AAA titles.
They touched Live-a-Live, though. They Treehouse'd the translation.

>>717847158
>projecting this hard
Again. sounds like a (You) problem
I enjoyed the remake way more than original, and I'm surprised that it rarely happens yet the same dev team managed to do two good low-budget remakes
Maybe go cry about Frontier remaster being worse than original as well

>>717847409
Sounds like you didn't like the original at all, Frontier Remastered was good though and since you can't see the difference between the two you're a certified retard

>>717847519
Cry me a river, retard

>>717847604
Just say you liked the game and don't pretend it's anything but a butchered demake for horny casuals who don't like or care about the series, the only person involved in that kusoge that had any passion or respect for the source material was Ito

>>717846442
i miss the enix that made adult games like lolita syndrome
i think square made an eroge at some point too

>>717847761
Square went from adult themes in Xenogears to "fuck" being every other word in their current M-rated fuckups.

>>717847754
>comes into Mana thread
>rages about good remake of SaGa 2 (which sold well because both veteran SaGa fans and newcomers enjoyed it)
>it was a low-budget remake (unlike FF7R trilogy which IS a bad remake) so with amount of copies sold it was a major success (which is good for Kawazu and SaGa series)
>the very retard refuses to elaborate further and just screams about designs of female chars and "omg you can't see how bad it is"
This is the last (You) get, now go to some FF7R thread and maybe pick a fight there with your "one of the most offensively corporate demakes SE ever did".

Flammie hugs

>>717846207
What about Secret of Mana 2018 Remake?

>>717846729
Holding hands with birb

>>717798114
The AI management in this game mogs modern Owlcat CRPGs

I haven't played visions yet, but what are the chances for the series to be put on ice (again), after what happened to the devs after release?

>>717785606
>>717786617
it's that midget girl from dragon quest

>>717853523
You'll have to be more specific

>>717840916
Learn to dodge scrub.

>>717848347
lmao the people who bought ROTS don't play or care about the games, see how sales and critical reception went back to the usual low feedback with SF2R.
Actual veterans were split between those who didn't like it at all and others who begrudgingly accepted it in hope it would bring new blood to a dying series, something which it clearly failed to do much like Trials did, see how Visions flopped because the vast majority of people who bought Trials don't really care about Mana, they were in it for Angela and Riesz' titties and little else.

>>717852963
she looks like a villain

>>717769261 (OP)
Sex with child pussy cunny Charlotte

>>717851363
Nothing bad about it other than some of the new music which you can ignore since you can switch to the original soundtrack, it's really just Secret of Mana again which was mediocre bad then and remained mediocre now.
It's only real sin was calling it a remake when it was the same deal as Adventures of Mana, i.e. a new layer of budget 3D paint with some tiny QoL improvements.

>>717854190
where
every single thread about the game here was positive with the exception of that one autist screeching about octopath

>>717854494
sex with riez and belladonna. im going to look for any new doujins with them

>>717854190
>Visions
Dishonest comparison because everyone knows that excluding the switch would instantly kneecap sales.

>>717843507
What's up with Lucca's sprite?

>>717770483
This. I just want a daughter as cute as her.

>>717855102
It's a romhack, genius.

SNES CD wouldn't have saved Secret of Mana being from being a jankfest since it was programmed by NASIR.

>>717774337
>>717817654
I thought it was Nintendo that cucked Sony by partnering with Philips instead at the last minute

>>717769261 (OP)
Ohh a pedo game!

>>717854935
I'm not sure they had much choice. The game ran rather poorly. The demo on Steam Deck was an awful experience, and with the studio gone I doubt revitalizing it with a Switch 2 port will ever happen. Of course, I'm not helping since I never ended up picking it up either way. I just recently got into Trials over the summer sale.

>>717856104
Holy ESL. Want to try that again, Raji?

>>717854314
I don't dislike old Angela's design, but it's obvious why 90% of her popularity comes from the remake.

>>717854570
>Every single thread in here was positive but everyone who disagreed was also a single person
>Also 4chan is the only place where people talk about videogames
That's not how it works bud but it's clear you don't really want to talk about this
>>717854935
It has nothing to do with the Switch since it bombed on literally every platform, unlike Trials.
The same thing happened with the previous Mana games, none of them sold anywhere as much as Trials did, because people don't really care about the series.
Need I remind you how even the people in here were dissing on Visions' characters for not being lewd enough despite being designed by Haccan, or whining about Val's design despite being heavily based on all the previous Mana MCs?
Visions got slammed so much in terms of critical reception because it didn't have the Trials hype behind it, that is it doesn't have Angela and Riesz.

>>717801637
That art was made when the rabite slippers were added to the game. You have to go through hell to get them though.

>>717800456
he's pushing 50

>>717769261 (OP)
What a little kid!

Ohohohoho

>>717777807
>And your only "safe project" is bloated remake of SD1!"
Yeah, yeah, FFA purists are the worst.

>>717854517
>t. didn't play the remake
Shut the fuck up, the remake has still tons of problem besides the soundtrack and is absolutely not comparable to Adventures of Mana which was bad as well but not as noticeable since SD1's mechanics are very shallow.

>>717858704
The remake's problems are the original game's problems since the vast majority of the mechanics are the exact same, I also don't know what's supposedly wrong with Adventures since again, it's literally just the same game but in budget 3D.
If you're saying it's bad because it's just a 1:1 copy of the original game with all its garbage mechanics rather than an actual remake I agree with that, but let's not pretend it did anything worse than the original outside of maybe a couple of BGMs, the main issue is that it is exactly like the original and the original was largely bad.

I wanna hear Charlotte read the uwu Raid Battle Legends copypasta.
>>717773249
Maybe there will be a Switch 2 version someday.
>>717778057
I replayed it extensively to find out which trio provided the most comprehensive standalone story. I decided on a party of Duran (Protagonist), Kevin, and Riesz. I believe that party gives you the most involvement with all the different characters while having the fewest plot holes.

Why was the original so fucked and buggy? Did squeenix not test it at all?

>>717794158
I heard there literally was no voice direction.
>>717795685
Thanks anon.
>>717798114
The game has aged pretty well for a SNES game but it doesn't change the fact that it is very easy to get lost without documentation. Not as bad as Ultima IV though. That one is just plain sad.

https://www.brainygamer.com/the_brainy_gamer/2010/09/unplayable.html

>>717808523
If I remember correctly that was the only dialogue line exclusive to having an all-girls party. What was the all-guys exclusive dialogue line? I forgot.

>>717860045
cute AI slop Angela

>anime thread is full of pedos
Every single time

>>717837560
>>717834583
No, zoomer. Those of us who actually played vidya back then know the difference. The SFC has an entirely different physical design and different cartridges. You needed a converter to play SFC games on SNES. The majority of SFC games never even got released on SNES.

>>717801575
>giant empty fields and billions of uninteresting side quests

Fuck's sake. It had some decent aspects but it was overall underwhelming. Then again that's the mana series in general. I get that the old-fashinedness is supposed to be the charm but they could really try harder with story and characters.

>>717860734
I did a playthrough recently and noticed two: one where Kevin and Duran wanted to fight strong opponents and Hawkeye mentions that you can "feel the testosterone," and another in the desert where Hawkeye laments that there's only "sweaty men" in their party.

>Every village girl has pumpkin bloomer shorts
>Careena's mother wears nothing at all.
What did they mean by this?

>>717864505
her mom remains free

>>717860108
Creative ambitions often overstep tech limitations. The SNES was just not built to handle party AI and complicated RPG mechanics formulas in real time. At least with turn-based or ATB games, you can narrow combat down to one event at a time, even if the queue of actions to display and calculate is pseudo-real time in the latter. Meanwhile, ARPGs are this janky sandbox where the player can interact with enemies and the environment in unexpected ways and totally fuck everything up.

>>717864505
EASY
ACCESS

>>717864505
Flesh colored stockings

>>717853325
500%
Squeenix didn't even make it, they just used a Chinese studio and then chopped their heads before it even hit the stores.

>>717856419
Trials hype isn't about angela and riesz, character designs get you fan art but no sales. Trials has stronger initial appeal because you can chose between 6 starting characters instead of just one; a potential buyer would have to reject all 6 to at least not be potentially interested (plus this forces the writers to actually treat each character as the hero of their own story as opposed to reverting to "MC and his bitches/simps", as they are all too tempted to do). It has extra stronger lasting appeal because by allowing the player to choose their party and having 3 relatively seperate storylines there's less repetitiveness in trying to replay the game, and teases the player with potential setups and combinations. So you see, from a game design perspective trials has an edge over a more conventional rpg like most mana games - you can certainly outdo it in the actual meat of the game, like gameplay, story, characters or worldbuilding, but visions in particular doesn't really stand out (or maybe feels worse) in these respects, so it just feels like a downgrade. The only clear improvement is in the graphics, which are beautifully executed, but clearly graphics alone don't sell a game.

I mostly don't agree with the complaints about character designs, i think the base designs all look pretty good however the upgraded classes are way too underwhelming and repetitive, some even look like outright recolors.

>>717769261 (OP)
SHAWLOTE

>>717874105
God I need to rape her

I'm a tentacle monster btw

>>717812331
I also enjoyed it a lot and unlike Trials it wasnt piss easy, the final boss and the post game boss actaully took some effort

Visions of Mana was KINO and will become a HIDDEN GEM in the future that all of you retards will say was really good
Probably the last game with genuine SOUL made by SQ in the last decade.
It also has my wife Careena and my husband Julei in it

What are you most recommended mods for Trials?

>>717878134
The SNES version has Sin of Mana, I guess.

>>717873746
What's her best outfit?

iT's mEeeEeE, MaTtelLoooooOooo
speeeEeeeEen

>>717878618
She should wear the Popoi's outfit from Secret of Mana

>>717878618
All three girls should swap clothes

>>717876228
how connected are the story lines of the games? can i start with visions?

>>717878618
Shawlote...

>>717834003
Keven is meh ? Wtf man. The climax boss of his story arc is rad.

>>717782346
Wife

>>717871805
This is empty navel gazing that doesn't have any basis in reality, as much as it's a cool design detail nobody but a few hardcore SD fans really cares about the multiple character gimmick of SD3 just like nobody cares about the autistic intricacies of Legend, most people around don't replay the game and guess what? the vast majority of people who even finished the game to begin with did so with either Angela or Riesz rather than any of the other characters, go check the achievement rates and you'll see them tower over the rest of the cast with poor Kevin and Hawkeye being the least popular characters by a huge margin.
>but clearly graphics alone don't sell a game.
Nobody would have bought Trials if it looked like Adventures or SoM remake, just like nobody would have bought the RS2 remake if it didn't look the way it did.
Visions' problems are due to Trials not actually bringing in any real new blood to the series, most of the people who bought it fapped to Angela and Riesz and moved on because they had no actual interest in what Mana is about, with all its issues and troubled development Visions did nothing that wouldn't appeal to actual Mana fans, in fact it is really a huge love letter to the franchise as a whole, the uncomfortable truth is that Mana fans are a tiny minority and Trials' success was not at all representative of the actual userbase.

Same exact thing that happened with RS2R by the way, SF2R came out a couple of months after it and got ignored again, none of the other entries saw any significant increase in interest or discussion either because the vast majority who bought RS2R wasn't there to stay.
All long running JRPG series are suffering from this generational turn over and being unable to create new hardcore fans, Atelier also quickly destroyed itself trying to appeal to the Ryza crowd and some mystical "wider audience" unicorn rather than actual fans of the series.

Am I hearing wrong but wasn't there also art of the light/dark combination classes or was it just pure light and dark?