Supernova Melee top 8 is starting now, Ultimate is in about 4 hours. Come bitch about Cody winning everything, forever.

Stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRjOjQ-SX-A

I Be Dicking Wounds vs. Pajeet no. 234343 in Grand Finals, why do I even bother.

The fuck happened with ginger, its like he got neural ink or some shit. Based, we need more normal white guys btfoing trannies and niggers.

>>717770365 (OP)
Why do people still play this? Not hating or anything, just curious.

>>717771468
Old Game fun, New Game not as fun. Very simple really.

>>717771468
It has a lot of mechanical depth that makes it extremely difficult to truly master, but still has a high capacity for skill expression even if you're an above-average player. Whenever I come back to Melee, it feels really "sticky" for lack of a better word, but then I remember how to move and everything clicks.

>>717771406
Mid-life crisis?

>>717771468
Game just feels so good you cannot escape it. I do not know why they do not make games feeling as good as melee anymore but then again apart from WoW and Rocket League I don't know too many games that had this just satisfying movement and physics kind of thing going on.

>>717771468
Fun. Crazy concept, I know

>ZAMN <3
>SHE'S 15%?!
>I'MMA REST THAT

>>717771468
A combination of Melee having a cult following, Brawl sucked, and it has a lot of depth gameplay wise.

>jorge and junebug on commentary
I was fearing the worst but it's like they're cancelling each other out and not doing their annoying laughs.

>>717771825
As a Melee player of 20+ years, RoA2 is the only other game that has scratched that itch for me, but I know that mentioning it causes people to break out in boils and start bitching about furries. My tech skill in Melee has never been amazing, so it's really refreshing to play a game where if I can think it, I can do it.

they actually fucking banned mango for quite literally some attention whores that instead of getting up and leaving when they are supposedly "sexually harassed" they look into the camera farming victim points. Fucking KEK.
You just know these streamers all fuck each other and do some fucked up orgy shit behind the scenes and mango forgot for a second cameras are a problem. Crazy actually.

>>717772327
>lets go to a place where 99% of all people are men with the intention of getting as drunk as possible and then ruin their career if they try some moves on me on camera
>while they likely suck their dicks off camera anyway

>Melee is skill ba-
ACK

>>717772442
But was the jab intentional

>>717772309
>My tech skill in Melee has never been amazing, so it's really refreshing to play a game where if I can think it, I can do it.
You are the exact person rivals 2 was made for. People who were shitters in melee/pm. My tech skill wasn't bad in melee so there's no reason for me to play rivals 2

>>717772537
Hey alright

>>717772431
>mango forgot for a second cameras are a problem

Mango has gotten away with so much shit that I doubt he cared about the cameras. Mango only got a two week ban on Twitch.

>>717772045
>Hbox when the 8 year old little girl flashes her panties

tf sam altman doing here

Hgod winning is the most interesting outcome now. Melee is in such a shit state these days lmao.

>>717772651
i long for the days of endless hbox armada grandfinals

I'm a down bad chaser and I still wouldn't that thing.

>the most obvious non passing tranny shows up on stream
>everyone in twitch chat: ZOOOMMGGG WHOS THIS BADDIE?!?!?!
:|

>>717772651
>Best Melee player is a jeet
>2nd best fucks trannies
>The upcoming players have no charisma
>Leffen hardly plays Melee
>Mango is banned
>Armada retired
>M2K retired
>Ppmd retired
>Hax$ died
>Plup hardly attends

Yeah, Melee ain't looking so hot

>>717771468
Why do people still play third strike? Not hating or anything, just curious

I hate melee players. What have they ever done for me? What have they done for the community? They have caused nothing but disruption and chaos, creating a toxic atmosphere for everyone who doesn’t think like them. We must stand together and show them the door, if we are to restore Smash Bros to its former glory. No longer can we allow for the toxicity and stagnation of the Melee scene to linger. We need to create a new atmosphere that will encourage growth, creativity, and collaboration amongst our players and communities. We must be proactive in ensuring that the Smash Bros Community remains a vibrant, diverse, and inviting gathering place for fans of all kinds.

Watching a Fox do nair -> shine, and the defending fox shining OoS, thus nullifying both, is the encapsulation of this boring meta.

>>717773350
Shut up.

this game fell off

>>717771406
Transgernderism

Pluck a hair from your head every time Ginger shoots a laser.

>>717771468
Because Melee is fun at all levels of play. Even casuals can appreciate something as simple as basic, functioning momentum. It has the best physics, the best stages, the best items, and the best content. Note how I said "best" content and not most.

>>717771468
Because they're retarded tranny faggots

>>717774245
Melee has been the most interesting it's ever been. There's just no charisma among the top players.

>B-b-but Zain

Zain is an absolute cornball.

>>717775103
>Even casuals can appreciate something as simple as basic, functioning

I promise you if you give any Zoomie Ult player to play Melee they would vastly prefer how Ultimate feels. Melee only feels nice once actually learn advanced movements

>>717775856
>Melee has been the most interesting it's ever been. There's just no charisma among the top players.
>it's the most interesting it's ever been everyone's just boring

>>717775856
>I promise you if you give any Zoomie Ult player to play Melee they would vastly prefer how Ultimate feels.
And they all take that back when asked to do a forward jump as Ganon. It's why Melee is one of the few games that actually has a new generation of players.

>>717775856
Rapmonster, Morse, and Junebug all jobbed. 5/8 of the players in top 8 are Marth or Fox. Shit is booooorrrriiinnngggg. This is literally Armada vs Leffen era chapter 2.

>>717775927
>muh personalities
They only need to be good at the game. Stop it with this parasocial shit

>>717776203
If they only needed to be good at the game there'd be a soul alive that cares about cody or zain

Considering Ginger indicated he'd retired a while back, I'm glad he's managing to go on the run of his life after his hiatus.

>>717776263
Ibdw's playstyle is boring and people do actually like zains play.

dude what the fuck is this tech crew of literal goth mommys

>>717771468
Because crudnig paid for attendance so you have a massively inflated number
In general it's a dead scene that only exists because Ult allows it to

>>717776483
>mommys
:|

>>717776483
>mommys

>>717776520
All of the majors with melee and ultimate are melee majors. If anything melee allows ultimate to exist (in America)

>>717770983
Umm saar Zain is paki saar

>>717770365 (OP)
Nobody cares about your broken game that only pedophile troons that make people kill themselves over anymore. It's not 2002 anymore.
>>717771468
Cause they're all troons.
>>717771658
>>717771716
>>717771825
>>717771927
>>717772240
Melee is literally the most boring slop out there.

Is xhe cute?

>>717776684
>I don't personally like it
No one cares.

>>717772442
>posts bronze level gameplay

>>717775856
Blatant shill by the way.
>>717776094
Lmao no. Zoomers could give less of a single fuck about smelee a game that's 25 years old at this point.

>>717776730
but enough about you with Brawl.
>>717776640
Lmao imagine actually believing this. Meleetards are literally delusional as fuck this is why Kiwi Farms loves making fun of you fags.

Why does melee make /v/troons seethe so hard?

>>717776684
Your skin is brown.

>>717772309
I miss scar and toph. And lovage especially.

That Falco/Fox match up was pretty good

pretty fucking sad I would let those goth troons blow me at this point in my life. still wouldnt do butt stuff or interact with an axe wound in any way though.

>>717776640
Look up how many Ult majors there are compared to Melee majors, not to mention an active regional scene in every single region
Meanwhile Melee only exists at events where Ultimate also does

Is Magi looking cute today??

>>717776763
Unverified Ad hom aside, clanking is dogshit at all levels of play. Explain how it's fair when you jab or tilt and a fox player up smashes through it with a clank and then smacks you in the face. You literally can't. Just like how you can defend anything about the ledge. Or how angel plats give you 10 minutes of invulnerability. Or how port priority gives you better combo conversations/ makes you harder to combo. Or a million other things. Melee has a LOT of problems.

>>717777080
Considering they're all "lesbians" I think you're shit out of luck

>>717777097
>Meanwhile Melee only exists at events where Ultimate also does
And all of those are melee majors, like the one you're watching right now

>>717777112
>pointing out visible low skill gameplay is ad hom
lol didn't read the rest of what you seethed at me

>>717777080
I would absolutely stretch them out and blow a few loads in their asses.

t. IBDW

>>717776640
>All of the majors with melee and ultimate are melee majors.
Wrong. Patchwork wasn't a fucking Melee major.

>>717776873
>Meleetroon calling other people troons
Why does brawl make meleetroons seethe so hard?
>>717776908
Isn't the top Smelee Player literally brown Kek

>>717777245
You will never pass. Try not to read and think about that.

>Waffles has basically made it in life that he just gets flown in for top 8s now

>>717777357
You're seething.

>>717777203
>even at a melee major where the melee entry is 100% because an e-celeb is paying for everyone, Ultimate has more attendees, higher prize pool and goes on last
MASSIVE self-own.

H GOD BABY

To the Melee players ITT: what changes would it take for you to switch to the next Smash?

>>717777647
Not gonna.

>>717777647
Nutendo will never make a good game again. They lost all their creativity when the wii came out.

>>717777647
there will just be something fundamentally missing or wrong

>>717776684
Alright.

Now fuck off.

>>717777647
Put pronouns on the character select screen and give me a free dilation wand on purchase

How did trannies mindbreak the typical 4tranner?

>>717777391
>t. bronze player

>>717777647
>next Smash
There's no fucking point, it's going be the exact same shit as Brawl, 4, and Ultimate. Rivals 2 exists if you want a competitive platform fighter that isn't old enough to legally drink.

Ultimate was just "okay" up until the release of the fighter's pass DLCs, despite fundamental issues that were never rectified. Now it's a farce. We're never getting a another Smash game that doesn't feel like pulling teeth to play. Even if Nintendo randomly decided to re-release Melee for the Switch 2 Virtual Console, it would be unplayable because of input delay.

>>717778173
it would be so funny if nintendo bought the rights to slippi and made you pay for nintendo online to use it
now THAT would be hype

>>717778149
You will never pass. Post it again and you're spamming BTW. Do it. I dare you.

Anyone know what happend to Ginger?

Did he just burn out and quit, or did something happen? He used to be a top tier twink, now he kinda looks normal and depressed

>>717777647
Melee players want

-Higher gravity
-Only 1 person can grab ledge during iframes
-Momentum kept during a jump (agreed)
-longer hitstun
-Manual L cancelling only
-bunch of their favorite "tech skill" moves brought forward

none of that will ever happen.
Ultimate is the best Smash game they ever made

>>717778173
Smash 4 and Ultimate were literally made to pander to you meleefaggots because you kept crying and bawling about Based Brawl getting rid of your tourneyfag shit and you’re still mad about it

>>717778469
>literally

>>717777647
It has to be better than melee. I tried rivals 2 hoping it would be better but it wasnt

>>717777805
>>717777780
>>717777848
Take the GameCube controller out yo bussy, playa
>>717777893
Nice seething that you try to masquerade

>mang0 is banned but Ludwig is still a pillar of the community
J E J

>>717772537
t. got washed by gold players

>>717778429
just consistent knockback, ultimate looks ridiculous

>>717778519
Melee is literal broken dogshit for autistic smelly troons

>>717772648
qrd?

>>717778582
Oh yea, I forgot about that

-Rage removed
I'm neutral on the mechanic. Don't care if it's in or not

>>717778559
>here mang0 get drunk at my party
>the egirls yesss I heard that one said she thought you were so funny mango
>haha yeah go talk to her
scum, Ludwig is a kingslayer

>>717778559
>Totally not affiliated with smash btw

Reminder to everyone
Melee Death Count: at least 1
Every other smash game combined death Count: 0
So why do we act like Smelee is a good game again?

>>717778469
>Smash 4 and Ultimate were literally made to pander to you meleefaggots
Here's your pity (You)

>>717778624
You are brown.

>>717778709
"WE" don't
Transvestites do

IBDW is an absolute motherfucker

Cody "Schwab the poopdeck" Schwab

>>717778351
nta but you're bronze

>>717778729
>You are brown.

>>717778729
>You are brown.
meanwhile, a pajeet and a faggot are in the winners finals of your game

IBDaPedophile

Lotta seething at meleechads going on.

>>717778801
Ermmmm it was a joke, chud. Everyone jokes about fucking their own mom in 10 page twitlongers.

>>717778717
I accept your concession. Can’t wait for Leffen to get exposed as a sexpest lolcow which will finally put the last nail in the coffin for the smelee community since they love white knighting him so much and he has ties with everyone

>hbox adjusting his shirt constantly

You just know he's super insecure about his weight and looking like a blimp on stream

>>717778989
why doesnt he just ask for a bigger size shirt? he is not an XL anymore, maybe he never was

>>717778832
>>717776723
Imagine if they Played Smash together o.O

>>717779074
going up a shirt size means giving up. being comfortable in your clothes results in more weight gain because you don't feel it every day

>bringing a gun to a sword fight

Falco is the only honest character

What is leffen doing these days? Is it over for him?

>>717779289
Getting fucked in the ass in his hotel room at Strive tournaments

>>717779289
fucking his blonde swedish gf while playing meme anime fighters

im glad he dropped out of law school to play melee instead, imagine losing custody over your kid because you're getting shined in court by ibdw

DO NOT REDEEM!

>>717779386
>>717779398
Is it still believing 2xko won't die in a week btw?

>>717779280
>

>>717779280
has thicction actually ever managed to get laid?

why wont he come back

How much longer until real smash

what the fuck happend

>>717779280
>literal top tier is the only "honest" character
>broken projectile
>free combos
>incredibly frame data on everything

falco is the #1 newfag shitter pick for a reason, jigglypuff is more honest.

>>717779280
No character with a projectile can ever be honest.

>>717779975
He only plays at locals sometimes. I remember he said he was having hand problems.

>>717780241
hbox get a bigger shirt

ginger ate his former self?

>>717780153
The bulk takes no prisoners

>>717779975
Too busy sweeping Rivals 2 tournaments and fucking his 7 ft. tall Indian wife

>>717779841
powershield
>>717779846
probably but it sounds crazy to think about
>>717780181
you're obviously bronze or dont play melee
>>717780241
there's just as much counterplay to falcos laser as uses for it

All this hot fucking tranny pussy on these stream setups got my chocolate cock bricked tf up

cameragirl (male) got me actin up

yeah im thinking another hungryGAWD losers run (he lost in winners on purpose btw)

>>717780516
>bare feet
what an animal

>>717780516
transbian phenotype

>>717780153

>>717780516
i guess you need big shoulders to hoist that camera up all the time

>>717780584
Thank you for your service, soldier

>>717780428
Im gold 2, youre obviously just a retarded falcofaggot like 40% of the entire slippi playerbase.

>>717780516
>professional stage, lighting, cameras
>5$ wallmart wrestling ass chairs

why

ACK

>>717780584
take this upvote

>>717780516
I need her (his) twitter @ badly

>>717780769

Falco's laser is the most broken projectile in any platfighter or traditional fighter ever. Easily. Give me Old Sagat fireballs over that cancer any day.

>>717780428
>powershield
Falco jumps over it and shoots another
Falco does a fake laser
Falco powershields it back
Falco does a high laser and it goes over his head
And a million other things. If you actually played the game instead of pretending, you'd say "take laser". Which is still situational and terrible. Keep spamming about everyone being bronze though.

>top 3 are the most unlikeable people on the entire planet earth

just kill melee already

>>717780769
so many heckin cute and valid women

cody schwab?

>>717780769
>the player tag is already askew prior to the fall
subtle

>>717780769
Sakuraiiiiiii!!!!!

>falcon will never win a super major

https://youtu.be/DwxrQM5wabs?si=fmRX2-ia9Ql8zmdg
Our boy wins, right?

>>717781104
Jizzrobe's run counts.

>>717780714
>broken projectile
clearly not since he gets reversaled all the time
>free combos
LOL
>incredible frame data
irrelevant when the character spawns at death percent

youre a faggot, simple as that. keep getting shit on and get good.
>>717780878
>falco jumps over it and shoots another
opponent already has a aerial out by the time that happens, laser has a huge startup
>falco does a fake laser
LOL
>falco powershields it back
no falco at any level does this EVER

You obviously dont know what youre talking about and I doubt you even play melee. Maybe you played it a little bit and got shit on easily, especially by falco he shits on noobs. Naturally you didnt have the work ethic for melee so you gave up. Many such cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgS_hEmgAUM

>>717778314
You would cut your own nose off to spite your face. Your grandmother would be ashamed of you, I'm glad she doesn't see you in this state
>>717778429
Nah, we bitch about ledge being OP, a melee successor can have wildly different ledges as long as edge guards exist and are fun. IMO L cancel isn't necessary, but some interesting timing on hit on hurtbox vs hit on shield vs whiff. That's what makes L canceling interesting, that increased depth. Most of the other points are right though
>>717778469
Oh (you)
>>717778696
>Fuck up handling Hax$
>I know, if we fuck up the mang0 situation people will forget about Aziz
What a fustercluck
>>717780428
So the counterplay is to hit a nearly frame perfect input, something made easier by modded controllers. That's the counterplay to an honest character shuff-ing a laser?
There are no silver bullets in melee, everything has counterplay (except chain grabs which are functionally identical to wobbling but legal) but the counterplay requiring so much more effort is why people consider him dishonest. His low level is like sheik's mid level, it just sucks to play against

>>717781286
>laser isnt broken! falco is low tier, you guys!

most intelligent falco main

>>717776723
>>717778832
eww wtf

>cody just presses up b in the blast zone and picks the correct angle
>HIS RECOVERIES ARE JUST ON ANOTHER LEVEL

>no anti popoff

weak

>>717781814
>made up schizo babble I didnt even say
yeah you lost

>>717781906
fat faggot

it's disgusting how hard puff has to try to get even a single hit on fox
fuck that broken character

HUNGRYBITCH BEE TEE EFF OHH

>>717770365 (OP)
KYS melee nigger

>>717780516
>hbox bare feet
>goth tranny number 2
There's so much going on here

>>717782171
YWNBAW

>>717780769
*Brawl tripping sound effect*

>>717781814
He's also an insecure tranny janny lmao.

>>717782119
Ywnbaw. Your dad cringes every time he remembers your pathetic failed male existence.

>>717782171
Seethe about it

>>717778582
I can't go back from the balloon knockback tho, it looks too slow otherwise.

Congratz to Cody

>OMG THE STORYLINES ARE CRAZY

>>717778832
> puts on female clothes
> calls himself a girl

surely WE are supporting the paki, right?

I HATE EDGEHOGS

>>717777647
Nothing can be as good as Melee because it exists in complete harmony with the gamecube controller which just happens to be the perfect controller for a platfighter. It's a flash in the pan that will never be replicated.

>>717782678
Jenny was my first crush.

>>717782815
how can SAKURAI replicate it

>Cody knocked out HGod just to lose to Zain again
Melee is dead.

THE WHITE MAN MARCHES ONNNN

the fuck did zain do to his hair
legit looks like leffen

I think Zain might be the GOAT...

C'mon Schwab pop the adderall already

>>717780401
are there any pics of Plup's fiancé?

>>717782994
he dyed it to look like kirby for the suck tuah marathon

choky schwab

Hungrybox didn't win but I got to see his bare feet. I've been wanting to see those dogs for a while!

okay that Light Shield -> edgeguard wasn't half bad.

GET FUCKED TRANNY FUCKER
ZAIN GODS WW@

the hard choke

The GOAT has been crowned

Zain did the needful

>>717783080
https://x.com/Plup_Club/status/1789799437247873213
I hope he'll have a happy and stable relationship, he deserves it. Way too many divorces these days, feels scary to commit to a serious relationship.

smash or brawl?

>>717782361
>tranny projection and replying to xis own post
dont think ive won this hard before

Zainnaghmi won

Between mr. double-chin, the screaming gorilla, and pillow-boy, I simply dislike Zain the least.
The real winner was Ginger though

>>717783430
SD

>>717783430
Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo™ Wii U

>>717783430
Blowjobs only

Is walt the worst commentator of all time?

I'm not asking for old school waff + phil commentary or even the goat combo of Armada + PPU

At least Jorge - who sounds like a perpetually dying animal - sounds like a person instead of a dispassionate ai

Vish / June / Scar are all the standard for 'good commentary' and walt is just... fucking terrible

>>717782901
>you wouldn't like my body, its all metallic

>>717783430
whats her OF

>>717782678
at least it's better than ult commentary where literally every single character in the entire game has "LE INSANE EDGE TRAPPING"

>>717783926
>best in the business
>best to do it
>young buck
>on the sticks
>game 4 leo

>>717783670
Need D1 back

>>717784016
Can not think of a single good Ult commentator other than Coney and Chuck, both of whom are pretty much retired from casting

>>717782132
Fox vs puff has always been ass. It's a miracle how HBox makes it work.

>>717782996
Arguably. Armada rarely ever loses to anyone outside the Top 5. Zain still has some oddball loses here and there. Regardless, he's making a strong case for himself as the Melee Goat

>>717784016
>immaculate
>arsene is online
>waft is on deck
>*tranny with a lisp*

>>717783926
Like fuck it is, Ult commentary isn't even bad outside of l4st, arbiter and that one troon with the speech impediment. They stick to the game without being too rigid
Ult has nobody as bad as Walt, Toph or Slime.

>>717778945
Leffen is not a Melee player anymore

>>717782678
two more weeks and PPMD, m2k and leffen will return and shake up the scene.

>>717783420
>fat and brown goblina
His standards can't get any lower.

>>717771468
Very good game

>>717784314
Two more weeks for PPMD but for something else.

>>717777647
Do the same with more characters, don't change anything else

>>717784248
>"____" situation here
>scenario
>mario is like a pissing dog

>>717784517
>>mario is like a pissing dog
this is a based coneyism that he does just to piss people off it doesn't belong with the canned phrases

>>717782171
YWNBAW

>>717777647
>Nerf the recoveries
>Fix the physics
>Fix the ledge
>Fix airdodges
All of that is the bare minimum, and it won't happen so there's not much point worrying about the details.

>>717777647
>seriously cut down on the projectile spam or make most projectiles cause no hitstun/knockback
>rollback netcode so we don't have fucking 10 frames of input lag online
>actual matchmaking so you get decently consistent opponents instead of "retarded timmy" one game and then "top tier tournament player" the next
>bring back longer end-lag on powerful abilities, feels like they tried to make the game fast but did it by removing almost all endlag; even shit like pika down-b or link up-b are barely punishable on whiff

>>717784549
I wanted to throw in something good and also because it is one of the funniest things coney says
Personal favorite is the roy speeding car vs. cloud being a reliable sedan

>>717784628
I don't even mind the ledge trump thing in a vacuum but it sucks shit purely because of magnet hands, broken recoveries and broken ledge grabs. Some characters are near impossible to hit hanging on the ledge unless you use Dair or a projectile, it's retarded.

>>717784980
I've never played Ultimate so I don't have a strong opinion on ledge trumping, but when I see an Ultimate character snap to ledge while moving up I feel disgusted.

Oh, Ultimate top 8 is on. Let's look at the bracket:
>Min-Min vs. Snake
AIDS vs. AIDS
>Mega Man vs. Game & Watch
Inferior AIDS vs. AIDS
>Steve vs. Cloud
AIDS vs. an actual character
>Steve vs. Ken
AIDS vs. an actual character who barely made it to top 8 vs. a Palutena and who will promptly be escorted out of bracket so we can get Steve vs. Snake in the next loser's round

Jesus FUCKING Christ, fuck this game

>>717785194
>Ken
>autoturnaround shotofaggotry
>an actual character
Snake and Megaman are more interesting to watch than Ken

>>717785289
>t. Raflow

>>717785289
>projectile camping and projectile camping are more interesting

>>717785194
Spargo board

>>717785134
I played it a lot, I don't hate it but only certain matchups. My biggest problem with the ledge snap is how lenient it is. I can't tell you how many times I've seen Squirtles miss their recoveries, just to teleport an entire fucking character space upwards to grab ledge. It's way too forgiving.

>>717785194
Ultimate is campier and shittier than 4 was. People aren't ready for the truth. The community is even worse.

>>717785334
They both have more interesting setups and expressive ways to play with their items than Ken who spends the whole game shielding and trying to get in so he can kill you at 60

>>717785486
It is. I went back and watched some 4 a month ago and it was like opening Pandora's box. 4 wasn't a great game and it was really ugly for whatever reason, but it was still more interesting than Ultimate. Ultimate is superficially faster and as deep as a puddle.

>>717771468
You had people playing mvc2 at EVO, Street Fighter III, KoF 98' are games that are "popular" in fightcade.
Since Smash is very popular compared to the rest of games it seems that is more popular, but in comparison they are about the same, people just keep playing the old games and have tourneys and things like that

Spargito blocked me on twitter because I made a joke about his shitty placements when he was in a slump but then I grew to like him more as a player

Haven’t been watching much lately. Why does Jmook suck now? Is he just not focused on competing anymore?

>>717785194
Trust me, this Top 8 could've been way worse.

>>717786039
Kpop faggots are fragile little turds.

>>717786039
>I made a joke
You do realize that people on Twitter aren't your friends and they don't want to hear "jokes" at their expense from you, right

I fucking hate Steve. What a lame character. No, I have never played Minecraft.

>>717785486
I think Smash 4 is worse as a game, but it does have less cancer. Don't get me wrong, it has some retarded bullshit like Bayonetta and dying at 0 to certain rage boosted moves. In Ultimate's case, it feels like for every character in the high or top tier that's well designed, you get four or five awfully designed top tiers. Either their character wins by not interacting with you, or you have to not interact with them or you die off the first hit, in some cases you get both. There's barely any characters that are just good that don't fall into one of those two extremes of cutscene combos or being able to escape from the disadvantage equivalent of the inside of a locked safe in the bottom of the ocean.

I usually root against Spargo but I love watching him kill Steves

>>717786505
Ult would be perfectly fine if they banned Steve

>>717786631
Steve doesn't warrant a ban, but it will definitely help with viewerships a bit.

>>717786505
Smash 4 wasn't even worse as a game, its just strictly better. You don't get to spam unpunishable buttons since the game actually has recovery frames, it has less native input delay, it has way better online for some ungodly reason, the top and high tiers are more fun and interesting, platforms aren't sticky, it has actual tech, the list goes on.

Ultimate has an awesome roster, that's all it really has. Someone said it is "superficially faster", thats a great way to put it. Everyone was so excited about the speed at first but Ult sets are much longer than Smash 4 sets.

>>717786859
Weren't Smash 4 matches 2 stocks?

>>717777647
I haven't picked up a new game since 2007, so your question is flawed.

these white boys are yelling far too loud for these trash matchups

Cute combo

>>717786926
Yeah and frankly Ult should have been 2 as well

>haz going apeshit on comms as the crowd pops and jahzzo overcomes a stevoid
KINOKINOKINO

This matchup looks so ASS for Ken.
He has to parry to even start anything and Steve can just spam uptilt lmao

how many lines did these commentators rail before this?

>>717783670
based take

who we rootin for bros?

>>717786631
Even with Steve gone, you have Sonic, you have ROB, you have Snake, Luigi, Kazuya, Min Min, Game and Watch, you could throw in Bayo, Sora and Joker if you wanted. I'm not saying they're invincible or anything like that but they aren't fun in any way whatsoever.

>>717786859
My main issue with 4 is that it just feels too restrictive in terms of what most characters can do unless you play Bayo or some shit. Ultimate has a lot of issues and Ult at its worst is probably worse than Smash 4 at its worst because there's so many matchups and the worst ones are abysmal to watch, but the fact that you can't do something as basic as perform a grounded attack outside of very specific moves after a dash just feels so bad.

>>717787515
Jahzzo but a Steve win here doesn't really matter since whoever wins this runs into Spargo and if it's Onin he'll get fucking wrecked by Spargo
This is an acceptable one for the non-steve to lose that has no further bracket implications thankfully

>>717786859
Smash 4 sucks. The tourney here literally banned Bayo and still nobody gave a shit, less entrants than last year.

>>717787563
>you have Sonic, you have ROB, you have Snake, Luigi, Kazuya, Min Min, Game and Watch, you could throw in Bayo, Sora and Joker

I would not mind that at all.

>>717787515
sparg0 and jahzzo are the only players in top 8 who shouldn't be forced to commit ritual suicide

>>717787697
What the actual fuck is wrong with you

>>717782283
>>717784569
This is how I can tell you’re not watching with how many troons are at this event

>>717770365 (OP)
I only clicked for the Melee Pic and gameplay WEBMs, don’t care about the competitive nonsense

>>717785486
>>717785619
>>717786505
>>717786631
>>717786763
>>717787043
Take a shower

SteveGODS

wow a mildly interesting character got weeded out of top 8 by a steve
who could have foreseen this outcome

Imagine being onin and every time the momentum swings away from you the crowd comes unglued in sheer elation and you have to keep playing even knowing everyone behind you wants you to lose
Unironically that takes some mental

Why do I even watch this shit?

Nice game you got there Ultimatepedos.

Would it have been better to Ryu?

>>717788253
>MY FINAL WISH.......STEVU....TOPPU EIGHTO.......

>>717777647
>To the Melee players ITT: what changes would it take for you to switch to the next Smash?

Super Smash Bros Alternate Universe, quick summary: it innovates on existing mechanics while introducing new ones and updating old veteran fighters

https://youtu.be/OgQTbYg4n1o?si=tsHVvhV3SAA8IOTC

>>717779975
Reverse Wombo Combo?

>>717787515
I'm rooting for Hurt. Easily one of the highest IQ players.

Can I go back to that japanese tournament 2 days ago where we had ridley in winners finals?

>>717788407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1f6ZQcea5E

why don't you post the direct trailer?

>>717788561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrHA7rWJUOw

>We will have to deal with Steve for another five years because Sakurai wanted to make a Kirby game

>>717789202
He should make another Kid Icarus

>>717770365 (OP)
yo shit is dead nobody cares about this except trannies anymore

>underdog getting timed out by one of the most cancerous characters in the game
competitive ultimate is just pure misery porn

>>717789202
Onin has to deal with either Hurt or Doramigi. Likely Hurt. Hurt is a Steve slayer. At least relax for this Top 8.

KAMIya

>>717790546
>>717790679
>>717790725
where the retard rank 1 ACOLA

>>717789740
After 5 gods era died, these threads pretty declined.

I accidentally pulled a whole toenail off

>>717790753
In Japan because he had exams. Just jobbed at Jap tourney and got 9th. Also he's ranked 2nd because he flopped at Lvl Up Expo.

>>717790904
who is RANKED 1

>>717791049
Doramigi

>smash ultimate released 7 years ago

Hurt Sonic ratchet as all hell

>>717791713
The fact its almost working is funny
What a weird set

Sonic being fun? No fucking way

All it takes is a good Japanese player to make any character fun.

I've ever only watched Sonix and Ken play so I thought Sonic is just a campy slogfest. Interesting how the Japanese play him completely differently.

>>717771468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQM8aJEe6c

>>717791074
THAT NIGGER JAP IS RANK 1?
Holy shit, embarrassing. Ameriniggers that voted for that shitter should be beheaded irl

>>717792176
Burgerfags got BTFO'd by him at one of their tournaments
https://www.ssbwiki.com/Tournament:LVL_UP_EXPO_2025#Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate_singles

I don't care about what these faggoty commentators have to say, just start the damn match

why does sparg0 look like a less fat mkleo

>>717792176
Bow down, Mutt

>>717792349
surely ee and tk are taking over for the second half

>>717791713
if it works it works yo.

>>717783670
>we've reached the point where june, vish and scar are "good commentary"
grim

>>717772824
We didnt know how good we had it

>>717777647
-proper netcode
-brawl's awful physics gone (e.g. bring back conserved momentum on jumps)
-increase hit stun to allow for more combos
-low input lag (ultimate's is atrocious)

These are the bare minimums

Wait...didnt the melee "community" get one of their longest running and best players killed, because he dared to call out one of their "gods" for being an asshole? When everyone secretly agreed he was?

>>717793678
>-brawl's awful physics gone (e.g. bring back conserved momentum on jumps)

I'd like to see a mechanic where you destroy your shield to gain conservation of momentum.

>>717793678
>-increase hit stun to allow for more combos

Ultimate is combo intensive enough. What character do you play?

>>717793842
No. Now fuck off tranny.

Rooting on Doramigi to dab on that looneytroon again.

am i a schizo for noticing the one dude who always shows up in these threads to defend the worst aspects of ultimate

>>717794084
Tons of examples of schizos doing stunts like that on this site, very liekly to be true

>>717794084
That's every tournament thread, and there is multiple just for Melee. The ones I remember the most is "meleegro" fag and the youtube numbersfag.

Peab got robbed

I like ultimate

>>717793871
>Ultimate is combo intensive enough.
NTA but no it ain't, have you been watching the stream? The huge majority of "combos" in ult are 2 hits long. That's not hyperbole.
When you get one of the exceptional characters, the combos are also less interesting than melee because DI is weaker so the actual combos tend to be more canned.

>>717794765
>The huge majority of "combos" in ult are 2 hits long. That's not hyperbole.
Long true combos are shit gameplay

>>717793871
>Ultimate is combo intensive enough
What the actual fuck are you saying

Ultimate is deliberately designed to cuck you out of combos except for canned ones at low %s. Every other combo depends on resets (not a combo) or character-specific jank that somehow slipped through the cracks.

Onin DQed, apparently? And deactivated Twitter.

>people hate steve so much that Onin DQ'd
one steve down
one to go

>>717794984
LOL!

>>717794984
Based if true get fucked

huh i didnt see the onin jahzo fight, were the boos that loud to be heard on stream?

Are any Steves left

I find Steve much more enjoyable to watch than Sonic, even when they're planking.

>>717794984
I think he may have predicted a really bad wave of bullying and being used as a scapegoat because apparently Doramigi was seen crying in a VIP room after his loss to Hurt and someone recorded it.
>Crying for Smash
Doramigi is like 15, imagine failing in front of a massive crowd at that age.

this is the first time i've seen snake played like an actual character in years

They bullied onin to DQ :(

>>717795212
>Doramigi was seen crying in a VIP room after his loss to Hurt and someone recorded it.
source?

>>717794850
I strongly agree. Which is why combos in platform fighters with significant combo variability (DI being one major mechanic that creates said variability) are so much more interesting than "true" combos in traditional fighters. It's a shame post-melee smash kinda lost that.

>>717795298
rivals

No one cheered when Miya beat Peab lmao

>>717795360
no shit
no one likes these jap tier whores infesting every single top 8

>>717786631
No it wouldn't. Sonic, snake, and ROB are even more cancerous than Steve. G&W is on the same level.

>>717795286

jollibee stocks soaring

>>717795407
>t. peabnut

>megaman
>game and watch
>steve
>sonic
>snake
>rob
i'm fucking tired of this shit. If the top 8 isn't rushdown chars then fuck off.

I think a not insignificant reason why 4/ult comp is so much lamer than melee is because fucking town is one of its central stages
your average game 5 in melee is on FD or FoD and you get some absolute kino soundtrack (particularly FoD)
meanwhile when I think about how many iconic matches in 4/ult had this dumbass quacking music playing because of this fucking stage, I get sick

Ban Japanese players
Ban Steve
meta is fixed

>MKLeo's placements decline
>suddenly hurt is the #1 player in the world
>looks exactly like a japanese MKLeo
did hurt consume Leo's soul or something?

>>717795524
Can we keep Asimo

>>717783474
criminally underrated kek

>>717794084
He's a deranged retard that's been spamming /v/ for 5 years. Any time the mods nuke his posts for being low quality ESL garbage, there's always at least 20-30 in a single thread.

>>717795327
Mechanically it's cool, but I just can't enjoy a fightan where I don't like the characters, sorry rivalsbro. P+ and nasb2 are enough for me.

>>717795457
>Sonic, snake, and ROB are even more cancerous than Steve

Not even a little bit
There's ONE good Sonic player and like 2 good Snakes.
There's a bunch of mediocre Steves winning shit

>>717795465
What the fuck is the VIP room

>>717795751
the rape room probably

>Steve, Sonic, Game N Watch
Man how do people handle watching a game that has all these characters that are about as fun as watching melee jigglypuff

>>717795569
anyone with glasses looks like leo to you niggas

>onin deleted his twitter and DQ'd because the crowd wanted jizzo to beat him
LMFAOOOOO

>>717795718
having an ult roy with zoning tools doesn't help either

>>717795803
Melee jiggs IS fun to watch, bitch

>>717795698
not that one, it's the guy who makes actual, grammatically correct posts where he insists that snake is hype and ultimate is actually a fundamentally sound competitive game
likely suspect: >>717787697 >>717793871

>>717795803
to be honest, i usually just watch pools and top 32 because that's where the fun MUs and potential upsets happen. raflow jahzzo should have been grand finals of this tournament, but we live in an eternal hellscape with no hope of a dawn that will one day banish the endless suffering to faded memory.

>>717795836

LMAOOOOOO
MORE LMAO >>717788202

post the video

Isn't spargo the best in the world? Why are people saying it's some Jap who only participates in like 5 supermajors a year?

>DQ because you got booed
The softest shit I've seen in years.

>>717795718
i didn't care for the characters initially, but the more i played the game i more i came to like them. i get it though.

>>717796051
japan is the main region for ultimate these days. and as you can see, the japs wash NA every time they travel.

hating on steves is fine because at the end of the day which character you decide to play reflects on you as a person
some people will try to tell you that this is unfair or doesnt make sense, that you should seperate what happens in the game from the person playing, but that's just cope. you picked the character that nobody likes because you want to win and everyone knows it.

>>717796123
Spargo has a positive W record against Acola and Doragimi.

imagine being upset that the crowd hates you because you do this shit

>>717776684
>broken
>troon
>slop
How's high school treatin' ya, bud?

I have not played Ultimate super seriously since the pandemic, and mostly just stick to casual online play. When did G&W get so good?

>>717796135
I should just quit a character I invested in because everyone hates it? Fuck that bro.

>>717796215
Nah don't quit it
Accept that people won't like you
Deal with the fact you'll get booed
Nobody's obligated to like you or your faggot character/playstyle

>>717796051
Sparg0 is too inconsistent. Too many bad losses and placements. Doramigi hasn't placed below 5th at any tournament since December and has won three majors.

>>717796215
yes, to do otherwise exposes your priorities and you get judged for it
I mean, you are quite literally saying "I dont care that nobody wants to play against this character because my time matters more" so obviously what people think about you is not relevant to you. so you should also not care about people hating you.

>>717796123
>the japs wash NA every time they travel.
this isn't 2023

>>717796215
No. You should be fully aware that people hate you for playing the obnoxious character

>>717796173
Sparg0 is even on Doramigi and got buttfucked last time they played in April.

>>717796135
this. mang0 went from jiggs to fox after all.

i would sooner kill myself than switch from playing DK to one of these disgusting motherfuckers polluting tournaments.

>>717796205
he was always good, people just didn't realize it. it's been years but i don't really recall him getting buffs or anything. people just realized that you can play like a massive fucking faggot and press upB any time anyone touches your shield for free wins.

Was Tweek not here

>>717795836
Wait, did he actually DQ himself because he got booed? Was that live on stream?

>>717795734
People have barely seen Steve at full power anyway, his playerbase of underaged players is keeping him "in check"
>Already in the tourney
Onin, Syrup, Toon (13th, beat Shuton & BMP)
>Not in because out of continent, busy with school, or both
ACola, Carmelo (Rank #15), Crêpe Salée (Rank #36), Many (HM in the rankings, Leo & Mute wins), Susu (Top 100, Light & Kola wins), DDee (Used to be really good but doesnt go to shit, like Quidd)
And that's barely covering things. Not everyone on this list can win but they can upset nearly everyone. Steve is a top tier with the upset potential of a bracket ruining mid tier like DK.

>>717796327
he retired three months ago

>>717796327
tweek retired. yes, post-FP2 Ultimate is so bad that it made him retire "until the next game, maybe".

>>717796183
Steve is gay as hell but people shouldn't be expecting a Ken to be winning these tournaments. Its already hard enough for Ken to get a good combo going at top level, and when you do theres a high chance that they'll just fall out of it. Ryu is better with his shorter but hard hitting combos + fireball spam

>>717796261
>>717796274
>>717796305
You can just beat them in bracket instead of being a man child about it.

>>717777647
Mechanically deep engine that rewards creativity, thoughtfulness, and is engaging on defense as well as offense. Melee DI is so fucking smart since whether you're hitting or getting hit, you're still playing the game. In traditional fighters, once you get hit, you can go take a walk while your opponent finishes dialing to Nigeria. In later Smash games it's not as bad as traditional fighters, but combo DI is so fucking weak it might as well be a traditional fighter half the time. Especially so with OP characters like 4Bayo or UltSteve. Got clipped by a stray move? Watch this cutscene of you dying, idiot. It disengages the player, but I think the Melee style does not, even though that game technically has way easier combos.

>>717796514
the issue with this is that no one actually wants to fight steve

>>717796183
That's just Steve's basic gameplan.

>>717796481
no one wants to see gay projectile spam
no one expects ken to win, they want ken to win

>>717796567
Steve players also don't want to fight
They want to build a wall and mine, then spam Utilt

Onin was getting death threats. He never quits from getting booed.

>>717796514
Doesn't work since Onin DID beat his opponent in bracket but was still a manchild about it and DQ'd himself

Save us from the piggy invaders spargo

>>717796413
I remember when people were shitting themselves over Pyra and Mythra and I thought they were overrated. Nowadays they just seem relatively forgotten.

>>717796618
>Death threats
No he wasn't

>>717796267
Yeah Spargo looks really fucking good when he takes 1st, but when he doesn't he barely makes Top 8.

>>717796514
nobody'ss talking about who won in bracket
crowd has the right to vocalize their preference, they did, onin couldn't take it and pussied out

>omg I don't want to see steve he ruins the game
>steve is gone
>omg he's a pussy

smash players are insufferable faggots.

next smash game will
>be a live service
>have a battlepass
>have a premium currency (smash tokens)
>most dlc of any smash game (50%+ of the roster)
>paid alt color packs
>a hub area with Miis as the avatars (with paid cosmetics)
>slower paced than ultimate but not as slow as brawl
>a stamina meter that goes down when you wavedash and has to passively refill
enjoy your smash 6

49% death lmao

>>717796807
>omg i don't want to see steve he ruins the game
>steve is gone
>haha he's a pussy
kek BASED

>>717796807
if you're gonna play steve, at least have the self respect to not give a shit what the audience thinks
now he's a steve player who's also a little bitch. the worst.

>>717785289
Hi K9

QRD on Onin being DQ'd?

>>717796883
Don't send him death threats and break his shit if you want him to play

>>717796956
He's belly aching like a bitch because the whole crowd boo'd when he won vs Ken

>play a character you know everyone hates
>pussy out near the finish line instead of going full villain mode
Smash ultimate could use a better villain than Sonix

>>717796983
i dont want him to play
i want him to die

>>717789202
>he thinks Sakurai is making the next Smash game
Lol

>>717797000
Whatever happened to Dabuz anyways? He was one of the good guys to root for.

>>717796983
""""death threats""""

Shit doesn't happen and is a lie almost every single time

>>717796647
pythra would be broken in a game where her gimmick is allowed to be cool. for example, having one of her special moves automatically switch her forms on hit so you can actually mix people up. going back to P+ back during FP2 and now playing RoA2 made me realize that ultimate is simply designed in a way where checking the core boxes is more important than any high concept stuff
>some sort of safe, auto-cancel disjoint
>good OoS option
>kill confirm that escaped Sakurai's wrath
>privileged frame data (especially on a passive faggot character [like ROB])
>zoning
poor, poor sephiroth. pythra being able to switch between not-sheik and not-ike just means that she's alternating between two mid-tier characters that (barely) have to work harder than the top tiers that check these boring-ass boxes.

>>717796983
>Don't send him death threats and break his shit
Okay, but when I do that, he DQs, so he's given me a clear precedent that sending him death threats and breaking his shit will result in my desired outcome, so I'm in fact going to keep doing that.

>>717796952
do you actually know who this schizo is

>>717797053
quite simply never won anything and younger, cheesier cheesers replaced him

>can't play sonic because he can stall
>can't play steve because he can stall
>can't play snake because he can stall
>can't play kazuya because 0 to death
>can't play luigi because 0 to death
>can't play Mario because ladder combos
>can't play game and watch because spammy
>can't play samus because projectiles
>can't play ROB because projectiles

Ya'll are fags that will bitch about any character in the game.

>>717797148
>can't play kazuya because 0 to death
>can't play luigi because 0 to death
no one says this
luigi vs luigi was hype as shit

>>717797053
He always gets beaten out by high patience players like MKLeo. I'm pretty sure he spends the rest of his time playing rosa and olimar on elite smash

>>717794765
>NTA but no it ain't, have you been watching the stream? The huge majority of "combos" in ult are 2 hits long. That's not hyperbole.
>>717794959
>What the actual fuck are you saying

True combos for most characters are 3-4 hits. Yes. Smash's ethos is that you ALWAYS HAVE AN OPTION against the opponent. This is why combos are so short, why you can Smash SDI out of multihit smash attacks like Pikachu's Down Smash, why you can DI moves to prevent deaths.

And more importantly, what we see over and over is that good players, ones who can READ THEIR PLAYERS AND KNOW THEIR HABITS AND ANTICIPATE THEIR ACTIONS, can string string attacks together. Strings take more skill than pulling off combos and turns the game more about STRATEGY.

More importantly the game boasts almost 90 characters. There are characters with very long actual combos, USE THEM.

Spargo now realizing why mkleo fucking hated Min Min players.

and there goes the last worthwhile player

>>717797148
You can play all those except the second one

>spics and burgers jobbing to japs AGAIN
What the fuck?

LAND OF THE FREE OOOO SAY CAN YOU SEEE

>>717797148
>can't play game and watch because spammy
Game and watch sucks because the moment you breathe on him or his shield the asshole parachutes away

I just want to take a moment to remind this thread that no one complains about Joker, Byleth, and Pythra anymore despite spending years claiming they were OP just because Leo was dominant for so long.

>>717797249
>hard locks one of the easiest characters to gimp vs one of the best characters at gimping
what was he thinking.

Total burger&co (Remember US got extended to NA because USA was already looking free years ago) death
Land of the free

Can you imagine how good other characters could be with a single insane move?

Cloud carried 100% by that back air

>>717797246
i'mma be real chief, you are a complete brainlet and one of the worst posters in tournament threads. yes, i recognize you because you wear your retardation like an ID card. i'm surprised the swedish government hasn't given you citizenship because you've got stockholm syndrome for ultimate so bad you're a permanent resident.
no one likes ultimate, and the people that do like it like it despite the aspects that you so unconvincingly defend.

>>717797425
Most of the cast revolves around spamming back-air

>>717797365
>one guy does super well with a character
>people call them OP
>get called retards
>a ton of mid players do well with the same character
>gets called OP
>the results show that it is indeed ridiculous

>>717797425
Cloud's not carried by bair, almost his entire kit is great

>>717797447
I like Ultimate, I think it's a stupid as fuck game but it's very watchable in a tourmament setting

I remember Japan used to dislike every match that included Min Min because she was busted in their opinion, wonder if they still do that

>>717797498
Yea but Cloud's is like, really really good

>>717797514
He's carried by backair

>>717777545
>all of that and ultimate still can't get more views than melee

>>717797498
i got every character into elite smash and was disappointed to realize that this is the case. my top 3 actual fun characters are probably:
1. hero
2. donkey kong
3. terry, but all of the input characters are alright

>>717797365
>I just want to take a moment to remind this thread that no one complains about Joker, Byleth, and Pythra anymore
Want a truclear strike you little bitch? Results and character representation through numerousness isn't really a viable metric to posit that a character is good or bad because Ultimate is -- however much you want to deny it -- a remarkably well balanced game for as huge as the cast is, to the extent that it comes down to form and player-aptitude just as much as pure character strength.
Joker and Pythra ARE top 10 however, Pythra specifically being top 5, and MinMin is top 3.

>boring characters
>furries
>trannies
>old ass people fucking kids

why do people like this again?

>>717797425
I don't know why Cross Slash doesnt get more talk
It's fairly safe on whiff and has mixups on shield, it can be combo'd into from many of Cloud's aerials, and it does nearly 25%.
Even without Limit that move is already stupid.

>>717797521
that was when protobanham dominated japan before she got nerfed

>>717797645
AI-generated post

>>717770365 (OP)
absolutely based zain beating the stuffing out of snore-dy

>>717797390
Spargo can only play Cloud and Mythra, both easily gimpable characters. Say what you want about Leo, but he played a variety of characters.

>>717796205
>>717796326
>he was always good, people just didn't realize it. it's been years but i don't really recall him getting buffs or anything. people just realized that you can play like a massive fucking faggot and press upB any time anyone touches your shield for free wins.

Maister has been doing that and the only major he won had DK in Grand Finals along with a bunch of +2s. It's really only Miya that brings home the trophy with the character.

>>717797862
>Spargo can only play Cloud and Mythra
He won a major recently with Plant bro

>>717797502
>>a ton of mid players do well with the same character
Aside from Pythra, no one played Byleth and Joker to mkleo's level. In fact there wasn't a single different top 8 Byleth or Joker. Spargo famously spent 2 months trying to learn Byleth before giving up.

>>717797246
>True combos for most characters are 3-4 hits
Again, objectively, the majority of combos that actually land during a match will be 2 hits. Even going up to 3-4 hits is the exception, not the rule.
>Smash's ethos is that you ALWAYS HAVE AN OPTION against the opponent.
Yes, the primary mechanic there used to be DI.
>why you can Smash SDI out of multihit smash attacks
Sure, it's not as important as regular DI, but it helps.
>why you can DI moves to prevent deaths.
That's survival DI, yes.
>READ THEIR PLAYERS AND KNOW THEIR HABITS AND ANTICIPATE THEIR ACTIONS
The primary action in question being DI.

...all of this reads like the position of someone who's either unaware of, or doesn't fully appreciate, the role regular combo DI plays in a well-designed platform fighter. It's fine for the average combo to last longer than in ultimate, because a well-designed platform fighter has stronger DI than ultimate (and often higher execution requirements).

>>717797904
>major
>no japanese or NA players

>>717798150
Spargo is the only one that can dent against JPtards
Amerifats are cringe that rely on Steve

>>717798002
tl;dr you're replying to a local schizo and you'll get nothing positive out of this (attempted) interaction

>>717798189
spargo beat a french steve to win the tournmanet
at least know what the fuck you're talking about.

wu ai la mien!

>>717797668
Cloud's entire kit is pretty safe.
>Dash attack KO move with surprisingly low recovery frames and massive hitbox
>Limit can be charged freely and gives speed boost
>Up smash with zero wind up, little end lag, and huge KO potential
>Back airs with a hitbox the size of a plane and no recovery

His only weakness is a terrible off stage game, which is why only spargo does well with him since spargo controls the stage so well.

>>717798189
>Spargo is the only one that can dent against JPtards
In 2023, sure.

I literally cant believe I stayed up for this
I dont even like ult
I'm a fucking retard

>>717797942
Zackray was a high profile Joker player, but he eventually retired Joker into counter pick tier. He famously refused to pick Joker against Mkleo and avoided the mirror whenever they met after getting trounced.

>>717797365
I still hate Joker.

>>717798347
me every single ultimate tourney

>>717797942
Reno's a really good and stylish Byleth. He just eliminated acola at a JP tourney.

>>717797353
I remember when people were saying game & watch was nerfed from smash 4 but I could immediately tell he was good

i think i'm going to watch this final set in bed because it's the best sleep aid i could ask for

>nobody posted the crying video

>>717798584
I also would really like to see the video of the child crying (unironic)

>>717785486
Nah the final EVO showing for Sm4sh cemented it in my mind as the worst.

Man I miss 2019 - 2023 ultimate so much. So many great players like gluto, tweek, leo, dabuz, samsara, mars, etc.

Modern ultimate seems to just be spargo, sonix, and a bunch of japs and steves.

>>717793871
>Ultimate is combo intensive
Retard

>>717798002
>...all of this reads like the position of someone who's either unaware of, or doesn't fully appreciate, the role regular combo DI plays in a well-designed platform fighter. It's fine for the average combo to last longer than in ultimate, because a well-designed platform fighter has stronger DI than ultimate (and often higher execution requirements).

Dude, I look at Melee sets in grand finals, top 8, whatever. Half the stocks are taken via edgehogs. More importantly, I see much more diversity of gameplay and strategy than either Melee or Rivals of Aether II.

>>717798732
>ignores the qualifier
esl begone

>>717798218
oh, okay... guess I'll just jork it to minmin then...

Maister could never.

very fitting

>>717797498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNX18ZToOa4

TL;DR Cloud's Bair does your taxes, writes your college essays, does your Ph.D. Dissertation, and gets you unlimited girlfriends.

>premature confetti ejaculation
shoutouts to the tech crew!

>>717796097
Little faggot cries when people won't call him a they

>>717798679
same. the game felt like it had potential, and people hadn't yet seen the cracks. palutena and fucking ike nair was the worst we had to deal with. people realizing that wolf's bair was good was a meta-defining arc.
ultimate is a smoldering wreck of a game and there's no relief in sight for at least 3 years.

>confetti prematurely released
I'm genuinely pissed now. Even the crew knows this whole tournament sucked.

riveting grands

>>717799064
>t. sparg0

shit fucking tournament

>>717799064
They did this at Onin's smashcon win too
The smashcon crew are shitposters who openly dab on the players who they realize are faggots

>>717798952
Holy shit he's a fag too? Let me laugh even harder!

https://x.com/Candleop34/status/1954716449466970355
DO BETTER, CHUDS

only good thing was peab upsetting spargo in pools

>>717798825
More importantly, demanding long combos instead of strings blends a lot of strategies together. Again this game boast almost 90 characters with an extreme diversity of playstyles which include combo intensive characters. Just choose them.

>>717799170
No, they did that when Maister's Sora won a game off Onin.

It felt like EE and TKBreezy were enjoying commentating Rivals 2 more than Ultimate. Not really surprising considering TK plays it and EE is very open about despising Ultimate's meta on his stream. I can't blame them for the lack of enthusiasm for this bracket.

>>717799217
>another they them faggot crying

>>717799217
> only 19 years old
> they/them

bro ;_;

>>717799320
Jahzzo Raflow was a kino set. But yeah, bad tournament for Ultimate. Melee was okay. RoA2 was good, especially the crew battle.

>>717799457
There's also the fact that Ult is an old game and Rivals is a new one with potential to make them some nice cash. Even Big Leff is grinding it

Are they brother and sister?

>>717799515
You don't understand.. I need extra attention but I can't earn it

>>717799591
I thought Leffen fucked off to farm Saudi oil prince money in CotW? He was unbearable when he was playing it on release
>decide character is OP
>grind
>lose one set in bracket
>actually the character I lost to is OP, my character fucking sucks
>pick up that character
>rinse and repeat

Wait what the fuck happened? I closed the stream when Spargo lost

>>717799647
arr rook same

>>717799760
His grinds will be Strive 2.0, COTW and RoA2 because 2XKO will almost certainly flop.

>>717799903
strive 2.0 = tokon?

>>717799647
Similar eyebrows but different noses.

>>717799591
>Rivals
>Cash
lol
lmao even

>>717800035
Nah Strive 2.0 is Arcsys selling a new version of the game ala GBVSR. Tokon I think he'll fall off like he did for DBFZ if he tries to pick it up. I'll give credit to him one time for that Go1 match where he unloaded offense and Go1 was able to Intercept all of it. That fella is a legendary player.

>>717799647
She's just some translator chick.

>>717799773
Miya assraped Doramigi like it was nothing

mindbroken https://x.com/sparg0ssb/status/1954728088530538738

>You're the new prodigy on the scene...huh....? Eheh.....Niggermigi....MOVE.

>>717797053
Rosa not lame in this game and people realized how nice of a guy Dabuz is.

>>717798679
2019-2021 Ultimate meta sucked. There was far less variety in the meta. Top 8s were more enjoyable to watch since the lame characters (Sonic, Steve) metas didn't advance far yet. Modern Ultimate is better. Shit is much more optimized and far more character variety. If you hate watching Top 8, then just watch sets from Top 32.

do smashies really? https://x.com/Bek2TheWall/status/1954641446323015836

>>717782132
>grab
>up throw
>rest
>KO

wow so difficult.

>>717800486
>>717801094
>>717799217
Bro working overtime on getting the latest twitter insight.

>>717782815
it unironically feels nicer to play on an xbox controller, especially if youre a spacie. theres nothing special at all about GCC.

>>717798825
>Half the stocks are taken via edgehogs.
That has nothing to do with combos? Are you just trying to segue into an argument that meleesux?
I actually agree that ultimate has a more varied and balanced roster than melee, it's just the core system mechanics that hold it back.

>>717783420
>hamplanet

for plups sake I hope she sucks a mean dick and cooks like a god. in that case, still worth it.

>>717783670
hes a shit commentator and a shit content creator as well. I cant even explain why but its just self evident.

>>717800584
Based KAMIya dabbing on mid mid

>>717784191
armada excludes himself from GOAT conversation by giving up to be a speedtrooner. you cant be the GOAT at anything if youre a quitter, simple as.

not to mention the fact his peach and fox would both get raped by modern top players.

>>717786039
what was the joke

>>717800486
I don't blame Spargo for taking a break. The talent pool for Ultimate is insane. Consistently trying to be number 1 each season is a nightmare. There's a reason why players like ZeRo and armada retire early