Thread 717780894

>the PSP is a retro console
WTF?

20 year old tech is ancient, you fucking boomer

if you see a console here then it's retro unc frfr

>>717780894 (OP)
>20 years is older than 20 years
based retard

>>717780894 (OP)
this is the extent of the psp's cultural footprint

I came here for the sanae pics

>2005 was 20 years ago
>keep thinking the 80's was 20 years ago

>>717780894 (OP)
Time goes by too fast...

"retro" is a style
the only retards who think "retro" means "x years old" are retards who don't know what the word means

I guess that means the psone is considered vintage at this point.

>>717782653
i think there needs to be a separation here, i dont think you can call something retro yet it is capable of connecting to wifi and has or had an online service

Any console that is not one of the current ones is retro.

>time passes
What the fuck why didn't anybody warn me about this??

>>717783984
I meant this without a hint of irony btw

>>717784053
you were, but you blew it off when you were told it when you were younger. it's something one has to learn on their own.

>>717784187
Yeah. The old fucks were right about more than I'd like to admit.

>>717781365
Tendie cope #6492957

>>717782653
Retro meant old. But the retards that coined old stuff retro never had the foresight to think what the current modern stuff would be called 20 years later

>>717784332
Chicken arrest N°138975619387

Retro means pre-CD

>>717784441
retro has always been defined as "something new that is in the style of something old". then we got lazy with language and now it just means "old"

>>717780894 (OP)
crysis is considered retro too

>retro
Gen 6 and earlier

>modern
360, PS3, gen 8 and newer

>neither retro nor modern
DS/PSP/Wii

>>717784909
I mean yeah for all the memes Crysis runs on even chromebooks these days

>>717784831
Yes but it got changed in gaming to 'nes/snes era cause it old'

>>717780894 (OP)
retro is a time period in games, not a moving line.

for instance look at ps3.
it released in 2006.
the last of us part 1 released on ps3.
the last of us part 1 is not a retro game, its current gen in every way.

>>717781620
>Watching a random world of gumball episode with my little cousin
>They do a 20 years ago joke dream sequence
>For half a second expect the 80s
>It says 2002
Bro that felt like a whiplash

>>717784441
Yeah haha but thank God the current modern stuff won't get old

>>717785149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaAYUZqZvlA
>tfw the year bowling for soup released "1985" is as far in the past as 1985 was when they released it

>>717785393
2020 was half a decade ago

>>717785025
Retarded and still doesn't hold up to the passing of time
>>717785147
when would you consider the ps3 to be out of current gen?

>>717785495
I thought you were making a joke for a second

>>717785147
>the last of us part 1 is not a retro game, its current gen in every way.
please laugh at this desperate young 30yo teen

>>717785393
That's the point, you fucking mouth breather. There was a lack of foresight then and it never have been solved. Hence why tards just call everything old 'retro'

>>717782653
Yeah man I remember playing 100 man Battle Royales with battlepasses on my PSP and gooner anime games with microtransactions on it. yup its not retro.

>>717785628
It was a tongue-in-cheek joke you fucking mouth breather. There was a lack of forsight when your parents brought you into the world. Hence why tards infest every board.
I was agreeing with you retard.

>>717781061
>Wii U
This got a good laugh out of me. Also why the fuck would you go to GameStop for Wii U games? I'm pretty sure you can get practically the whole library for like $10 online.

Define "retro".

>>717781365
You can see him pressing the button to open the UMD tray.

retro ends in 1998, nothing after that is retro. no, the line doesn't move.

>>717785935
shit that is old and you can tell by looking at it. Example: PS3 games.

>go to retrojunk
>see wii commerical listed

>>717786121
>by 2005 the SNES was already considered retro gaming
kys you stupid boomer, it's not a static era.

>>717786190
The original Wii was 2 generations ago, itll be 20 years old by Nov next year

>>717780894 (OP)
Psp still top tier, had good games and was really cool for the time. Had one in the army and used to make Skype calls on it back in the day

>>717786340
How? The PSP didn't have a mic, did it?

>>717786237
BAck in my day.... THe STATIC ERa was back when you had to turn rthe TV toO channel 3 to play yer NINTENDO. What the hell happen to us...!

>>717785935
Thing when old, don't pay any attention to the fact that I used the word "old" making my use of "retro" as its synonym completely unnecessary, almost as if I'm actually conflating words with different meanings with each other because I couldn't be arsed to look up any definitions.

>>717786410
it did but you had to plug it in as a headset, it was used for online in-game chat as well.

>>717785803
My apologies, you can't blame me for thinking the worst on this site.

>>717786591
Can't argue with that bro. Happens to all of us.

>>717786237
It is though. Problem is there was never any other established eras due to the lack of foresight

>>717780894 (OP)
The Dreamcast was the last retro console because it was the last console to have arcade ports as a significant selling point.
*leaves thread*

>>717786410
The psp had a microphone, plus you could plug in some headphones with a mic. Was a good Skype machine back then if you wanted something more portable

>>717786669
Real funny how comic book nerds gave every distinct era a name (Silver, Golden Bronze etc.) but we're stuck here calling everything older than 20 yrs retro

>psp and nds are now retro
>go to /vr/ to discuss it
>"No, that's not retro! Wtf?"
wtf is their problem?

>>717786121
Retro isn't about arbitrary lengths of time, it's about design. PS3 isn't retro because design wise its foundationally the same as modern consoles, same game design, same franchises, sometimes literally the same games ported, just with better graphics now.
It's the same reason why things like Jeans, Hoodies and T-Shirts aren't retro despite Levi jeans from the 1800's looking relatively the same as ones from today.
Something becomes retro when its design philosophy becomes old as in no longer used and outdated. Play a new game like Battlefield 6 and you'll see its fundamentally the same game as Battlefield 3 on PS3, even down to the UI design being literally the same.

>>717786529
I never played mine online so I didn't know about that. Neat!
Did it have any other cool add-ons?

>>717786847
outside of console gens, we could go by sd/hd/4k

>>717786870
>wtf is their problem?
It's hard to accept the passage of time

>>717780894 (OP)
Anything older then 15 years is considered retro by your average person. Now the trannies over in /vr/? They scree and shit themselves in fury if you say anything older then 2000 is retro.

>>717780894 (OP)
psp uses a mips cpu like ps1, ps1 is retro cpu.

>>717786898
It had a camera which came out very late in its lifecycle, its pricey probably because nobody bought it,

>>717787029
>your average person
The average person is an illiterate retard and many of them are even stupider than that, why would you want to be the same as a fucking normie?

>>717787039
I bought it, still have it, was very cool

>>717786804
It didn't.

>>717787197
Literally did dumbass, psp 3000 psp go both had mics, at least know your consoles before speaking fool

>>717786949
Even that gets murky thanks to shit like the wii, which is technically in the hd era being an sd machine. But it's not a bad idea.
I was thinking retro (up to 4th gen), millennial (up to 7th) and digital (current modern)

>>717781365
TAKE ME OUT

>>717786882
Delusional post.
>things like Jeans, Hoodies and T-Shirts aren't retro
Have you even seen clothes from 20 years ago, let alone 200? What the fuck are you smoking?

>>717781061
>PS Vita is retro but not PSP.
Ok.

>>717787039
It came packaged with the translator primarily right? With the blue bird

>>717780894 (OP)
yeah if you have one go take the battery out now

>>717787039
>zoomers found out about the psp
>posts videos of them using it but not playing games
>price of the camera and system goes up
FUUUUUUCK

>>717781365
Joke's on you I pirated all my psp games, saved them in the memory stick, only had GTA Liberty city stories in UMD, never really played it

>>717787281
Yes and they are the same retard. Men wore those clothes in black and white movies and they're the same as today.

>>717787237
Did the PSP 3000 release in 2004/2005? Did the Go?
Then it's not the one we're talking about.

>>717786980
>It's hard to accept the passage of time
that's the problem, once consoles became PCs, every gen is the same shit but slightly better.
and now we have those same games as remasters/remakes like nothing actually improved.

>>717786870
>make a board to discuss [actual retro things]
>someone decides to change the definition of [actual retro thing] after the fact
>people that actually use the board rightfully get mad
You find their behavior questionable yet you get your panties in a twist every time someone makes a thread about gacha game and scream that it's not real vidya, curious.

>>717787281
Go google retro clothes right now zoomie

>>717787406
Kill yourself faggot, we are talking about all of them, stupid nigger

>>717787315
Yeah Talkman in Japan I think, over here in the states it came out with some "Kinectimals" like game spurred from the motion controls fad at that time.

>>717786004
no shit retard, that could happen accidentally during normal play, it was far from a rare experience which is why the 2000 and 3000 changed how it opened

>>717787460
OP literally says
>THE PSP RELEASED IN 2004/2005

>>717787553
It never happened to me once.
Why would you ever rest your fingers there during any game?

>>717780894 (OP)
That's like saying dvd's are retro

time is fleeting
nothing last forever

HD will never be retro

>>717787553
it's a latch switch several inches away from the r bumper, so, no, it couldn't

>>717787664
They are, and have been for at least a decade, if not longer.

>>717787553
It really couldn't. It wasn't a button, it was a slide switch that require a decent amount of movement to activate

>>717787664
Then what are they? That's the fucking issue. We only have one term for this shit that's now being used to blanket everything

>>717781365
oh shit, ytmnd

>>717788149
Not that anon but no they aren't they're just in severely declining sales. Modern movies and shows still get physical DVD releases. No I have no idea who buys them still.

>>717781017
retro didn't mean "old". It refered to a style. So, anyone who hasn't uodated their definition of "retro" will cock an eyebrow at anything 3d based being called retro (ps1 and n64 included). It's like calling vanilla ice "classical" music because some idiot began to associate "classical" with old instead of a specific era.

>>717781365
>YTMND
God I remember running into one of these when I was like 12 and being extra confused why Reggie was dancing in a large tiled website

>>717786949
Console gens are fine, what's not fun constantly looking up what something like Dreamcast was and making sure you don't accidentally classify it as next gen or a gen before itself considering it only barley outlasted the 64 by like 2 or 3 years and barley having a presence at that gen. sd/hd/4k Not a bad idea the problem mainly comes from not every game running at that standard and a lot of new and indie titles come out that tend to emulate the latter. I was thinking something like retro era/modern disc era/motion controls era/modern era/etc. but its probably too much of a wide net and most consoles didn't adhere to the titles im giving them.

>>717788149
They still sell anime, movies, and shows on DVD, you dumbass.

>>717788595
They still sell games on gameboy carts.
What's your point?

>>717788424
They still sell records too, but you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that vinyls aren't retro.

>>717780894 (OP)
I mean technically but I don't like how there seem to be more retro video games than non-retro video games now.
It feels weird.

>>717788671
>you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that vinyls aren't retro.
No you wouldn't, Vinyl experienced a revival in the 2010's, by the 2020's Vinyl no has more annual sales than it did back in the 80's. Vinyl has transitioned from retro technology into a media targeted at collectors and audiophiles.

>>717788659
No they don't disingenuous retard. He's not talking about reselling old stuff. He's talking about new releases by the same companies that sold them back then

>>717788913
>No they don't
Yes they do.
>He's not talking about reselling old stuff
I'm not either.

>>717788659
Proofs?

>>717780894 (OP)
I do not think PSP is older than NES.

>>717788508
Classical refers to a specific time period, though most people don't give a shit and can't tell the difference between Baroque, Classical and Romantic despite it being a 300+ year time difference.

>>717789209
Your reading comprehension is very poor.

>>717789273
Check the release dates.

psp bros...

i don't feel so good...

>>717780894 (OP)
Absolutely no one considers it retro.

>>717789405
Check the text in OP's image again.
Read exactly what it says. Slowly.

>>717789451
Dude NES wasn't even released in the same century as PSP.

>>717789412
You just reminded me to pack my old vita battery when I go out tomorrow so I can drop it into one of those battery bins

>retro with pixel graphics
>smugjak.jpg
>retro with 3d graphics
>NOOOOOOOOOOjak.jpg

>>717789005
Show me. I want gameboy games. Don't go posting some fanmade production line shit from AliExpress either

>>717789553
Anon, it's saying that the psp now is as old as the NES was when the psp released.

>>717789553
Your reading comprehension is very poor.

>>717789412
Just charge it every now and then. Happens to all portable devices btw. Go check that DS too

>>717780894 (OP)
What people don't understand is that "retro" consoles operate on the same rule as being an oldfag.
You will never be an oldfag unless you already are one.

>>717789617
Sure. Limited Run Games.
They just released the newest Shantae game on real GBA carts. They do this stuff all the time.

>>717789758
Limited run games has been around since the gameboy era huh? Amazing

>>717789758
bootlegs don't count

>>717789856
I didn't say or imply that.
Why do you think I did?

>>717789902
>Bootleg
So Limited Run counts, because it's made with the official developers involvement? Thanks for confirming.

>>717789748
i'm defining retro, here and now, as pre-HDMI.

>>717789658
>>717789670
NES came out in 1983, PSP came out in 2004. PSP is older than NES.

>>717789987
Limited Run only produces bootlegs so they don't count

>>717790012
So the xbox 360 and the Wii are retro?

>>717790046
>Bootlegs
Not a bootleg, if the developers are involved.
Why are you trying to move the goalposts?

>>717790157
Why are you defending Limited Run?

>>717790201
I'm not. I'm just asking why you're moving the goalposts after I did what you asked.

>>717780894 (OP)
I find it funny /vr/ considers psp to be retro but not DS

>>717790280
You are defending Limited Run.
Why are you lying to me?

>>717787197
3k was built in, earlier versions had a mic you jack into the top port

>>717790326
Why did you move the goalposts anon?
Don't dodge the question for a third time.

>>717790412
Why are you defending Limited Run?

>>717790081
I- Yes. Yes, I am.

>>717790386
Sure, but we were talking about the 2004/2005 models, which didn't have a built-in mic. You

>>717790465
>Dodges the question for a 4th time
Goodbye anon.
I didn't defend anyone.

>>717790557
>I didn't defend anyone.
Yes you did

wrong.

right

Fact: Limited Run makes bootleg slop
Sorry anon.

>>717789412
Works on my machine.

>>717790769
How is it bootleg if the original/official developers are involved?
Explain it for the whole class.

>>717789912
>He's talking about new releases by the same companies that sold them back then
You CAN read anon, right?

Retro probably started feeling less meaningful over time due to "the next leap forward" just feeling less impressive than the last. Like, yeah, the PS5's graphical capabilities are better than the PS4's, but we've more or less reached the point of "Who the fuck cares?".

It also doesn't help that a lot of retro "purists" associate the term with quality. Like "retro games are better than modern games", so a twenty year old game that isn't as good as a forty year old game probably doesn't "deserve" to be called retro in their eyes. It's all kinda retarded nonsense.

>>717790829
If it's not officially licensed by the creators of the console or if it's released after the consoles discontinuation then it's a bootleg

>>717790280
Why are you think that is me when I already replied to you here retard
>>717789856
or are you that dense that you think every reply is by one person?

>>717790012
Honestly yeah I can get behind that. If it's HDMI it's not retro

the "retro" era is forever cut off after the ps1/n64/dreamcast era. consoles can no longer be retro after that

>>717790936
>He's talking about new releases by the same companies that sold them back then
Shantae on the Gameboy Color, re-released by Wayforward, on Gameboy Color again a few years ago.

>>717780894 (OP)
If you can't buy it new, then it's retro

>>717790804
has yours been discharged for long period of time? swelling usually happens when it hasn't been charged for years.

>>717790029
The time between 1983 and 2004 is 21 years
The time between 2004 and 2025 is 21 years.

>>717789902
Bootleg is specifically an illegal production such as the thousands of Chinese stores on Aliexpress
That shit stain of a company LRG has legal rights to print and publish those games

>>717791063
That's limited run games though? We gonna talk in circles are we? Wayward didn't do anything here. Limited just payed for the rights to do it

>>717788659
>>717789758
Some fags backporting their game to an ancient console like GBA or Dreamcast once in a blue moon is not even remotely comparable to the entire media industry still utilizing DVD to sell their products (both old and brand new), you disingenuous nigger.

>>717791434
No they don't

>>717790947
Nah, you're over complicating it.
Retro isn't an age or quality thing but design. When gen 6 came along modern gaming was cemented and things haven't changed since then.

i haven't seen my psp in like 15 years

>>717791445
You haven't told me why my answer isn't valid yet.
Go ahead.

>>717791464
Why not? You asked for an example and one was provided.
Why are you upset?

>>717791283
I never purposefully discharged it, iirc it loses charge on it's own relatively quick even when powered off. I think the last time I recharged it was about a year or two ago.

each second passes a second passes

>>717791503
Only gamers think this way though. The concept of "retro" predates video games and has always been used to describe ideas and styles indicative of a previous generation. It's only in regards to video games where people get stupidly anal about it.

>>717790487
>we were talking
Only (You) were talking about the 1k model, we the people who know what we're talking about refuted you with proof

>>717791515
She already moved on.

>>717791683
>refuted you with proof
Literally never happened.
The OP post specifically says we're talking about PSP's from 2004/2005. I am correct.

>>717791667
Anon, that's basically what I just said.

>>717780894 (OP)
>PSP is 20 years old
And it's still better than the Shitch

>>717781365
>A spinning optical disc in a handhold console
The 2000s were fucking crazy

If it requires physical media then it's retro. Simple as.

>>717791365
1983 was 42 years ago.

>"Retro"
read this on the techdweeb video about what is retro and I agree. I'm going to pasta that shit

>This is SOOO easy. You need to stop thinking about WHO thinks what is retro (Nostalgia is not a good metric) but where the games and platforms fall in the timeline of gaming. You can pin this is you want as I am really interested to know what everyone thinks about this naming scheme

>Founders Era: pre-1980s (Respect to the people who started it all)
>Retro Era: 80s-90s (up to 16bit; EVERY company had to make their own architecture and the idea of online or digital game were at most science fiction)
>Modern Era: 90s-2017 (32bit-265bit; This era should the most growth in architecture and game distribution. most companies still used proprietary systems)
>Current Era: 2021~2039 (This is the industry moving more to a more universal computing standard, system AMD or nVidia SoCs, and Digital is the preferred format for distributing games)

>There are some overlaps in the architecture, but this format covers not just the console but the games and design philosophy of that time.

>>717791884
>>Retro Era: 80s-90s (up to 16bit; EVERY company had to make their own architecture and the idea of online or digital game were at most science fiction)
There were online 16 bit games tho.

"Retro" in everything but video games means "previous generation's style".
Not a specific generation's style. Just some prior generation.
>ohhhhh but nothing has changed since the 6th gen!
That's right, we've been stuck with brown&bloom military shooters since the 6th gen.

the "retro" aethestic was always arcade gaming and thus the consoles that had a lot of arcade ports

SNES era = ancient
PS1 era = retro
PS2 era = classic
PS3 to PS5+ era = modern

>>717780894 (OP)
Still not /vr/

Roblox released in 2006, therefore it’s a retro game.

>>717785721
Yeah, it was called Godeater

>>717792078
>PS3
>not ancient
unc's dementia kicking in early

>>717791752
>PSP is good at skype calls
>It had a mic?
>Yes
>No it didn't
>Proof it did
(You) are here
>(You) sucking dicks later

>>717785935
In terms of vidya?
Anything pre 6th gen

>>717783984
Time is an illusion

>>717792216
You mistook me with another anon.
I'm not the person who asked if it had a mic. I just confirmed that the 2004/2005 models do not have a built in mic.
Why does this upset you so much?

>>717792167
Someone disprove this, I’ll wait

>>717791884
>hey, you know how actual history has like five eras whose names all mean "right now"?
>what if we started doing that for gaming too?
You and the youtuber you're parroting the opinion of are both retarded.

>>717785935
Early video games focused on the interactive aspect as opposed to the visual and narrative aspects.

>>717791612
Because you're comparing companies still selling thousands of DVDs per movie every month to this day to a special limited *collectible* release of arguably literally-who game on top of that, you retard.

>>717792201
PS3 and PS5 games play exactly the same. Literally nothing has changed in 20 years.

>>717792201
>zoomer boots up a PS3 game
>looks better than his Fortnite garbage graphically and technologically
Kek

>>717791940
sure but it definitely covers a very fucking large part of the generation and the last thing they wrong says there are some overlaps

>>717792427
They’ve added a fuck ton of QoL shit on top of Xbox 360/PS3 era games and that’s pretty much it. Reminder that GTA v and Destiny 1 ran on 360 and PS3

>>717781367
Same. My disappointment is immeasurable

>>717792425
I never made that comparison.

>>717780894 (OP)
>retro because le old

>>717785025
Gen 6 isn't retro; they're the blueprints of modern gaming before they bury it under predatory practices

Realistically what's the difference between a cart sold by limited run vs a cart sold by aliexpress?
Like apart from the latter being cheaper and delivered in a decent timeframe

>>717792695
Ironically, Aliexpress is less likely to be a scam.

>>717785935
Phillosophy of design before the current paradigm

>>717786121
Wrong; they looked like shit back them, you only refused to notice it/accept it.

>>717792251
This.

>>717792840
That is actually a good point

>>717792340
2006 is early gen 7.
Modern game design was established several years prior.

>>717792251
>Anything pre 6th gen
Nah, DC, GC, PS2, and Xbox are roughly the cutoff point for when I would consider something "retro". The games are still designed around the old arcadey ways or more deliberately. There's also no DLC or patches really and internet connections on anything are still very niche. Even with DC's focus on Seganet or whatever it was called it's still different from how games 7th gen onward look, were designed, and play.

Anyone calling gen 7 "retro" when they're 20 years old would be beyond delusional. Nothing has changed between gen 7 and gen 9 despite the timespan and gen 10 is looking to be identical. Imagine when gen 12 comes around and gen 7 games still play the same they just look slightly crappier, would people genuinely consider it "retro"? It's very confusing to me why people would.

>>717780894 (OP)
Who the fuck came up with the whole "X console is now older than x thing when it was released" fucking retard just say its age in numbers.

>>717784441
Yeah man, Beethoven and Da Vinci are so 'retro' haha!

>>717793127
DC and PS2 are night and day. DC had arcade based heart and games with chunky polygons, PS2 was the inception of non-gameplay driven games with no focus on the arcade side of gaming with 3D being the normal instead an evolving novelty. PS2 is not the retro one, DC is debatable at least.

>>717793256
>PS2 was the inception of non-gameplay driven games with no focus on the arcade side of gaming
A huge chunk of the JRPGs still play the same as the PS1 era.
A huge chunk of the action games are still relying on lives or score systems.
Beat 'em ups and things like Metal Slug are still common there.

You can act like God of War being on the system somehow changes it dramatically but it doesn't define the entire generation. Gen 7 is when you can actively see Sony's priorities shift to cutscene-laden and focused gaming whereas in gen 6 that's primarily just God of War and arguably Ratchet and Clank's sequels, but even with GoW it's still heavily playing like a beat 'em up most of the time.

>>717793127
I love those consoles and while I make an exception for them, they really are more the start of the modern era of gaming than retro
I only give them an exception because that are standard def and built for CRTs

>>717786870
It's not yet Retro. I would make a rule on /vr/ to say PSP/3DS are the last real RETRO things because after that even the PS3 there is nothing much to discuss in regards of games and platforms.

>>717791802
Facts

>>717791532
They're resellers. Not the original distributors of the original time, as I said in my original post. Not to mention the are limited runs and not purchasable from a physical store, so you trying to compare them to modern day sales of vinyl and dvds is bad

>>717793459
It's a transition period into the modern era of how things are done with quality of life focus, easier games, internet focus, etc, but it's still not there yet with the games. You're still getting stuff like Black for example. I guess a counter-example to my argument would be the GTAs which saw a notable difference in what could be done on consoles but that's the only major thing I can point to in terms of visuals or scope outside of FFX I guess.

>>717780894 (OP)
That's nothing. I'm about to be a grandfather.

>>717791863
Ps5 is retro?

>>717792078
That has the same issues of only being relevant for the current time. That's how we got into this 'retro' problem to begin with. No one has solidified each era into a distinguishable name that can be used forever

>>717793434
>A huge chunk of the JRPGs still play the same as the PS1 era.
>A huge chunk of the action games are still relying on lives or score systems.
>Beat 'em ups and things like Metal Slug are still common there.
Wrong. Sprite based games were under a genocide at that time in the platform, the handful there are were rebels; most of the games played with new angles gameplay wise. Action games were completely disregaring it and the handful that kept score systems as we know them didn't know what to do with them and stood as a numeric counter. Beat'em ups were NOT common there; 3D was eating every genre that wasn't 3D based in PS2.

>You can act like God of War being on the system somehow changes it dramatically but it doesn't define the entire generation. Gen 7 is when you can actively see Sony's priorities shift to cutscene-laden and focused gaming whereas in gen 6 that's primarily just God of War and arguably Ratchet and Clank's sequels, but even with GoW it's still heavily playing like a beat 'em up most of the time.
DMC3 and that one had to rethink and reappluy the concept of score system. Shadow of the Colossus is the main catalyst of Sony's priorities which is gen 6 and don't forget all of that was really sustained by Squaresoft alone with PS1's FF games and PS2's FFX.

>>717793191
Are you the same anon that was pulling me leg earlier?

>>717793527
>I would try to move the goalpost on /vr/
>after mods tried to do that last time and everyone and the board itself rejected it
ishygddt

>>717793589
>but it's still not there yet with the games.
Respawn, the open world meme and the casualization of difficulty in games was already heavily ingrained by late gen 6, anon

>>717781367
>>717792526
She's busy "playing" with a younger audience.

>>717793887
I mean, it’s literally the gen that spawned Halo

>>717781365
You can mock them but UMDs made sense back in 2004 since flash was very expensive back then.

>>717794034
ikr saying games in gen 6 are free of the modern paradigm for the sake to excuse them due personal bias is plain silly. Modern gaming began with the 6th generation making it not retro. Only Dreamcast was the home of most of the pre gen 6 paradigm type of games while having some stuff with the brand new sensibilities as well

>>717788508
>retro didn't mean "old".

>>717794210
It’s definitely the beginning but also the end
Because while halo was there, we also got shit like F-Zero GX

>>717781061
Can we really say a console is retro if it can play the most popular games today (Minecraft, GTA V) and you can watch all current major streaming services on it?

>>717794306
Of course it does, but the definition needs to be defined more due to kids wanting to put 7th gen shit in /vr/

>>717793887
Hence a transition period. I can't in good conscience argue it's all modern era because it's not.

>>717787354
Yeah, zoomers just want something retro and le quirky for filming at music concerts/festivals. Have seen lots of zoomers using a 3ds as a camera at concerts because it's more unique than using a phone like everyone else.

>>717794482
Not a transition; modern era took over from the get go and was the spotlight.

>>717794550
Local camera shop was on the radio the other day saying there is a huge demand for 00 era digital cameras now too. Zoomers and Alpha's hate how perfect modern phone cameras are

>>717793640
PS5 doesn't count when 100gb still needs to be downloaded. The disc serves as a physical purchase key and nothing else.

>>717794739
Why do you come to the Internet and lie?

>>717794708
Because zoomers are ugly and old cameras obfuscate their ugliness to a degree.

>>717794849
So true it hurts

>>717794437
Minecraft and GTA V are retro, those games are ancient

>>717785907
The Wii U is 100% retro nigga

>>717785935
anythinig older than a decade

>>717794849
New cameras have filters to mask out that shit.

>>717785935
Pre HD resolution/HDMI cables

>>717785935
A style with sensibilities from a certain era

>>717795218
It's funny how they added this back in, except you now have to pay for online and the camera, and everyone still clapped for it

>>717795330
This is it for me, really hard to consider anything with HDMI output retro. You can plug it into a modern TV with no hassle.

>>717795330
>>717795450
So the Wii is retro?

>>717795478
It's basically a slightly more powerful Gamecube so yeah

>>717795478
Yes

>>717795478
No, IIRC it had HDMI/Component cables and support for HDTV

Game graphics and even game-play have evolved so little in the past few years that you cant really judge the passage of time based on graphics or technology anymore.
Arkam Knight came out 10 years ago and if you told me its a PS5 game if it came out today and ran at 4k 60 fps i would have believed it.

>>717795675
Are you sure you're not mixing it up with the 360?

>>717795107
>tfw 99% of currently popular games are older than 10 years, some almost 20 years
>minecraft (2009)
>leauge of legends (2009)
>roblox (2006)
>cs go (2012)
>GTA V (2013)
>Dota 2 (2013
>Rocket league (2015)
imagine if it was 2015 and half of what most people played were from the mid 1990s

>>717795824
No, the Wii has on the menu the resolution option for HDTVs. I recall GC at least having official component wires made with Nintendium as well

>>717795378
It's almost as if people don't like when things are forced on them.

>>717795478
Wii introduced waggle so no

>>717795675
No it didn’t, it could only do 480p which is EDTV
The PS2 and Xbox could do higher resolution

>>717795675
Wii doesn't have any official HDMI cables, it does have component cables.

>>717795920
>imagine if it was 2015 and half of what most people played were from the mid 1990s
thats too decades, back in 2015 i was playing mostly games from 2005 or older

>>717795940
Hate to break it to you, but the Wii is strictly a 480p console. It has options to output widescreen yeah, but it's just squeezing more image into the 4:3 area so when the TV stretched the 480p output it'd be correct.

>>717795940
Yeah but the Wii doesn't have HDMI out.
Just component, composite, s-video and scart.

>>717796104
Most SD widescreen content is just anamorphic to fair

>>717795957
And PS2 had EyeToy, so what?

>>717796061
>>717796105
Component is HD territority. You just assume HD = HDMI port

>>717782653
Retro means shit that tries to ape the past. Retro should really refer to current pixelshit indie games and not actual old games

>>717796354
Gimmick accessories have always been a thing anon, it wasn’t built into the console

>>717796438
>Retro should really refer to current pixelshit indie games and not actual old games
That modern shit trying to ape nostalgia; just "old" looking slop at best

>>717796426
NTA but the Wii didn’t have that regardless, 480p was its max resolution

>>717796468
>it wasn’t built into the console
>PS2 had DVD player built in

>>717780894 (OP)
>all retro games look and play like shit
>all psp games look and play like shit
yes

>>717796438
That’s “retro style” not retro

>>717796523
Yet, within that margin, it had HDTV support.

>>717782318
take your ai slop and get the fuck off my board

>>717782653
If we're talking style, there's nothing retro about a plastic box

>>717796426
Except no not at all.
Wii is an SD console not an HD console.
Even if you used something like this it wouldn't count because it's max resolution 480p/576i

>>717796547
And what?
You think DVDs are HD?

>>717784441
retards who coined retro refuse to let retro include "new" stuff because it forces them to confront the fact that they are now old

>>717796616
lol no, HDTV is 720p
It has EDTV support

>>717796654
>retro is when not plastic

>>717796698
And you think wagglan controls somehow are?

>>717796780
Yeah. Retro is wood grain and rounded corners

>>717796875
If you want to go down this path anon, then cartridges are a gimmick and so are CDs

>>717786669
>It is though.
so you think "retro" is a specific period of time now and forever?
so in 400 years retro will still mean "between the 1970s and 1990s?
fucking retard

>>717797017
In terms of vidya, yes

>>717785935
I can't, because there are two interchangeable but mutually incompatible definitions that are most widely used
For some, retro means "anything from a certain point" and for others retro means "anything older than a certain number of years"
at one point they coincided, but as time marches on they've drifted apart and now we have threads like this one because one person doesn't like that someone else is using the definition they aren't
In time there will probably be a more definitive term used for things called retro as in "pre-2000 video games and technology" and the term retro itself will probably come to mean "technology older than a variable number of years" in time, or at least that's what I think
Will the NES really be retro once everyone who's ever played on one is dead and buried? Probably not

>>717796670
>resolutionfags
Nigger stretching it with chinky devices is never a good result. Just use a regular good component cable + consoles's HDTV support and you have a damn good result right there

>>717797080
What HDTV support did the Wii have though?

>>717796698
You think built in DVD player on a game system isn't a gimmick now?

>>717796878
that picture is not retro because it has plastic in it
also retro videogames dont exist by your definition
>>717797059
retard

>>717797129
Regular widescreen, which is pretty good if you're not retarded

>>717797134
No, because it’s the format the games were on
Being a dvd player didn’t affect the games in a gimmicky way

>>717797139
>retard
You’re one of those idiots that think gatekeeping is bad aren’t you

>>717797182
So then we're on the same page that the Wii is a retro right

>>717797182
CRT’s were widescreen anon

>>717796991
>If you want to go down this path
I'm not the one trying to argue that "Wee is HD because wagglan" here, you are.

>>717797361
No because it works on a HDtv just fine on its own and has some form of support within ITS OWN OS; it's clearly a modern system. And that's leaving out the staples of modern gaming, which are more prominent on Wii

>>717797443
I'm pretty sure CRTs are squarescreen

>>717795808
>Game graphics and even game-play have evolved so little in the past few years that you cant really judge the passage of time based on graphics or technology anymore.
>Arkam Knight came out 10 years ago and if you told me its a PS5 game if it came out today and ran at 4k 60 fps i would have believed it.
Yeah the bottle-neck today is basically just the effort the devs are willing to put in rather than the hardware
I don't even see a logical point of console updates anymore unless they start running AI locally on them, but i'm sure even if they do use AI it won't be local and they'll do it as live-service shit that you have to pay as you use it like chatgpt.

>>717797593
I’m pretty sure they’re both

ITT: millennials who can't accept they're getting older and trying to gatekeep what retro means

The PSP is retro
The PS3 is retro
The PS4 will be retro in another 5 years
Deal with it grandpa

>>717797506
No, I’m saying Wii isn’t retro because waggling gimmick
You said dvd player isn’t retro and is a gimmick

>>717797708
Nothing after 2012 will ever be retro

>>717797708
No one’s saying they’re not old anon, the games are just similar to modern games compared to retro ones

>>717797525
I can hook up a PS1 or a SNES to an HDTV and it works fine out of the box.
Does that suddenly make them not retro?

>>717797790
Only to boomer eyes, the games of today are different to the games of 10 years ago for anyone below 20

>>717781365
>Sleeve over hand
I don't like that I've become some sort of expert tranny whisperer, able to peer back in time and notice tells that I glossed over in my innocence.

>>717797835
Graphically sure
Mechanically no

>>717797664
If you think a rectangle shrinking the image making the text microscopic is actually intended output for CRTs. You'd be wrong, unless having a 42"

>>717797708
>zoomer projecting its own age fetishes
Shit's old and abandonware just not retro, you retardo

>>717797779
Akshually, if they ever make full-dive VR horseshit or something and it will actually take over the entertainment industry, it will. That's a big if, but still.

>>717797835
>the games of today are different to the games of 10 years ago for anyone below 20
I only see walking alleys with more polygon count and more cooldown "mechanics", nigger

>>717797779
By 2032 it will be classed as retro.

>>717797925
They botched it hard, it was never going to take off since their inception came from non-honest hearts. The next paradigm will be something that will boom before any industry interest, not from it. Or maybe consoles simply soft reset themselves, seeing how Xbox is on lifesupport and Sony seems to be niggering out this could may happen

>>717797708
>Woah time to play some old school classic retro games!
>boot up PS3
>PS3 game plays and looks exactly like a modern day PS5 game

>>717797328
no gatekeeping is based
but there is no definiton of retro that is universily accepted so trying to say "THIS IS RETRO AND NOTHING ELSE WILL BE EVER!" is retarded
like if retro was an artistic movement between 1970 and 1990 and we all agreed that then sure
but then you would have to ask every creator of everything created in those years if what they created was created with the retro movement in mind and if they said yes then it would be retro
but thats not how it works
retro ironically is a name given to a time period retrospectively
the nes wasnt retro when it came out
it was retro like 15-20 years after it came out because people had decided roughly that amount of time that things during that time were retro
the nes 10 years after it came out wasnt called retro, it was just "old"
same with everything during that time
but no one ever said at the time that retro was coined that retro is only things from the 70s to the date that they started saying retro is retro
there are no rules on what is or isnt retro
and stating that there is is simply revisionism

its like trying to claim that the word "antique" is only things from the beginning of time up until 1900
sorry but the things we call antique today were brand new when they were created
and the ps5 will eventually be antique

>What does its retro mean? : relating to, reviving, or being the styles and especially the fashions of the past : fashionably nostalgic or old-fashioned. a retro look.
it just means the past
today will eventually be antique
today will eventually be old
today will eventually be retro

>>717797993
A game like FF16 could never have been made without the power of the PS5's SSD in 2010, nigger

>>717798107
>>717797925
All venues of technological advancement stopped when they began replacing caucasians with jeets.

>>717797708
They remind me of boomer carfags who refuse to acknowledge that cars from the 80s and 90s are now classic.

>>717798146
new tetris and old tetris play the same
tetris is retro
that means new tetris is also retro
checkmate

>>717798254
wtf is new tetris?

>>717798146
here's that PS5 spider-man 2 game I was telling you about

>>717798391
Probably either chromatic Tetris or Tetris 99

>>717798203
>graphicfaggotry
Easily done on PS3 but would look worse, anon

>>717781365
the funny thing is I never owned a UMD because I got my PSP hacked the moment I got it

>>717798240
>cars from the 80s and 90s are now classic
bullshit, 80s cars maybe but what car from the 90s is a classic beyond rally ones?

>>717798706
Every 90s sports car is a classic.

>>717781061
I refuse to accept that my childhood is retro, I should not be feeling old in my mid 20s

>>717798772
Such as?

>>717798203
What do you think Devil May Cry is on?

>>717798961
NTA but what year did the XJ220 come out?

>>717798706
RX-7, Supra MK4, Viper, Firebird, etc

>>717781017
they could add a new paint of coat and people would buy it because still looks and functions the same as every current device

>>717799282
False, PSP isn't full of DLCs, updates and micro transactions.

>>717796547
Not a gimmick.

>>717799039
>>717799241
Better be a lot more.

>>717798542
>>717799371
It's not even fair to compare PS3's Spider Man movie tie-ins to current Sony Spider Man games with full first party AAA budgets.

>>717799478
There are, don't worry about it.

>>717799451
It doesn't have anything to do with videogames or interactive purposes; it's a gimmick.

>>717799603
Ok, name them then, should be easy.

>>717785935
things made before humanity got forced into the 2000s era cultural time trap

>>717795238
>fortnite is retro

>>717799340
software updates can fix that

>>717798961
Silvias
Skylines
Laurels
Cefiros
Pulsars
RX7s
Imprezas
Evos
Galants
Supras
Mark IIs
Celicas
Soarers
Etc etc etc

>>717792078
this is because for something to be retro, a clear upgrade needs to have come out since then.
ps3 feels new because ps3 and later stopped improving games.
>>717793740
I wonder how many bought shadow of collosus thinking they are gonna get another "hold your waifu's hand" simulator

>>717799771
fornite is not older than a decade u silly

>>717800058
Only impreza and celica are classic and not for the normal reasons but for being on places outside the working man's reach. Supra was only because that movie series that used to be about street racing. Also; Celica is from the 70s

For me; it's Eclipse and Montero

>>717794468
So, exactly where it belongs ? Sorry but you're old dude. Hell, I feel old and I'm not even 25 yet. And gaming still was completely different (and a million times better) than what it is today, we stopped evolving in a good way around the 8th gen, so everything 8th gen and under is "retro" to me.

>>717800563
LMAO, ok little buddy
You can still reminisce about modern warfare 2 on this board

>>717800563
/vr/ is correct though the 360, ps3, and wii are not retro. The 360 just turned 20 and the ps3 and wii dont turn until next year. In my opinion I wouldnt even say the gamecube is retro because it has modern feel to it.

>>717780894 (OP)
Retro means style of the recent past. The psp is recent past. Retro is not an era if you want an era say "snes era", "n64 era", "ps3 era" like a sane person.

>>717801324
Fortunately it had super monkey ball so it’s safe

>>717788508
>It refered to a style
This is such a retarded lie, when I was a kid playing SNES, retro was Atari and Pong, not one time did someone call the Super Nintendo retro till many years later.

who else saw porn for the first time on the psp web browser?

>>717801592
Sure, but those games aren’t usually lumped together with anything 3rd gen and beyond

PSP was such a fucking awesome console. I remember playing Battlefront LAN games on the school bus in the morning with my friends. Shit was so cash.

>>717795956
I love tendie mental gymnastics

>>717796547
>Retard compares dvd player to waggle controls
Lmao

>>717797017
So you think anything from 390 years prior is retro?
Do you call horse and cart transport retro too? You absolutely retarded monkey

>>717797708
>Zoomer tries to push his gay opinion

>>717799371
>5 generation comparison vs 2

>>717782653
How do we call stuff that's not retro but still old?

>>717786882
>It's the same reason why things like Jeans, Hoodies and T-Shirts aren't retro despite Levi jeans from the 1800's looking relatively the same as ones from today.
Styles of them are. Bellbottoms are obviously from a certain period of time. You can picture in your head an 80s t-shirt without trouble.
Just like a kid today can picture a late 90s-early 00s outfit and consider it extremely old fashioned. Frosted tips or bleached blonde hair, baggy jeans and shorts and zip hoodies, long-john shirts with t-shirts worn over top, DC/Osiris/skater shoes, etc.
Those are all identifiably from a time period that is now considered retro because it is from the prior generation's childhood. Even if people still wear t-shirts and jeans today, the styles are substantially different.

>>717795957
>>717796468
>the virtualboy isn't retro

>>717786870
Geezers don't want to accept that God of War 1-3 are retro games by any standard.

>>717803165
The virtual boys gimmick has nothing to do with how the games play anon
Have you even used one?

>>717787553
I might've opened the UMD tray while the console was on once ever, and it was more me fidgeting with the console than an accident slip of the finger.

>>717787664
They are Retro.
People have nostalgia for something like the DVD logo that used to bounce around CRT screens to prevent burn in.
If you can have an entire generation grow up with nostalgia for something that is no longer used commonly, it is retro.

>>717798542
Now compare Infamous 2 with Pooderman:Nigger Edition. The window is getting awful narrow

>>717781017
>game is... le 20 years old tech
Smartphones are LITERALLY 20 years old

>>717791503
Converse and Air Force Ones established what the modern sneaker is going to look like and sneakers in general still look basically the same. Both are also still in production.
However, both are absolutely retro designs, and people that buy either today are doing so with acknowledgement that they're retro styled.

>>717792428
Why are Millennials such shallow graphics whores?
No other generation is so obsessed with polygon count as Millennials are. It is honestly pathetic.
They don't care about gameplay, only how realistic something looks.

>>717780894 (OP)
I just want to know why so many jeets are suddenly buying up PSPs. Fuckers pop up everywhere asking stupid ass questions.

>>717789412
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717798542
No, this is how Spider-Man looked like on the PS3 you fucking liar

>>717803717
That’s a huge projection you have there anon
Graphics whores have no age limits, they just simply are what they are for every generation

>>717803736
The turd world is 20 years behind glorious Nippon/America. They can't cope with never having access to these games so leaping ahead and getting Infront via kike fueled name calling is the only way they can feel equal

>>717803309
It has more to do with it than the Wii did.
Most games on the Wii can be played without the motion controls and work as well or better.
The VB only worked with its VR set up and the entire rendering system and how the console was built and interfaced with was structured around that.

>>717803867
There's no projection.
Literally only Millennials talk about stuff like that.
Zoomers all have games that deliberately do not emphasize graphics as an important trait as their favorites, Minecraft, Fortnite, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, all are games that look outdated and aren't very high fidelity, and all are extremely popular among Zoomers.
But Millennials literally only care about games that look the most realistic and denigrate everything else. It is utterly unbelievable.

>>717782653
Retro doesn't mean anything anymore. Shartnite is nearly 10 years old and it's basically stayed in the same place the entire time.
The internet bascially destroyed retro as a concept anyways because now everything is eternally available at all times in the present.

>>717795920
Really says a lot about how games went to shit after 2015 or so. Other than Fortnite there really hasn't been a game with any lasting power (and Fortnite preys on FOMO to keep people playing).

>>717798706
Foxbody Mustangs, even if they're ugly as fuck, there's a big culture around them as retro sports cars these days.

>>717796709
pretty much this

>>717797525
By this logic the ps2 is not retro since it supported wide-screen in its own OS as well. And the ps2 supported resolutions higher than the Wii

>>717803913
No game can be played on Wii without the Wii dildo, it was a requirement
The virtual boy was literally just a visual, you going to tell me TV’s are now gimmicks?

>>717780894 (OP)
I'm 35, when i was playing ps2 games and shit like that we all thought SNES and Genesis games were "old school". A lot of those games were about a decade old, they were still very cleary old to us then, from another era. Saying things aren't from 20 actual years ago aren't retro because video games have stagnated since the ps3 era is just fucking wrong
If you're going to say 20 year old consoles aren't "retro" because that only applies to things from before a certain arbitrary date, then you should at least propose another classification of the games and hardware between "retro" and "modern" or current stuff

>>717804016
You have a lot of confirmation bias there anon

I love my PSP even if the battery is a little swoll

>>717804327
Nintendo let you use a Gamecube controller for most games and sold its own Pro controller for the Wii that was just a standard dual analog controller. These worked with almost every game on the system and better than the standard Wii remotes.
When you literally can't play games on the console without the headset, that is an inescapable gimmick.

>>717804389
Just get a new one anon, PSP batteries are easily replaced

>>717802432
you didnt understand my comment

I prefer something like 'developmental years in the medium', which is a fixed window in time.

>>717804535
Why are you lying so much?
Few games allow you to not use the wiimote
That’s besides the point, one is a gameplay gimmick, the other is a visual gimmick
Stop pushing false equivalencies for your shit arguments

>>717804535
I'm glad they bundled these with Tri. Neat little controller.

>>717800379
So a game can only be retro if even non working cartridges are still valued at $1000?

>>717804378
>stagnated
this is pretty baffling too
there are a ton of features in modern games that were invented in what is considered retro games now
are those retro features?
how many retro features must a game have to be considered retro
if someone in total isolation from the world, never saw a videogame of any kind before, independently made pong from scratch would their pong made today be retro?
its not made during the time period deemed retro
its not a copy of an existing game because the creator was born and raised in total isolation from the rest of the world
so what is that game?

>>717804327
Why do you talk out your ass? Even Mario Kart Wii and Brawl let you play it completely with the GC controller.

>>717780894 (OP)
>ai slop

>>717804925
>can be
Anon, the waggle was still required in those games
It was a part of the design decision in games

>>717804727
>Few games allow you to not use the wiimote
This is just a falsehood.
Why are you so deadset on arguing something that everyone knows is wrong?
Most people that weren't Grannies in nursing homes, bought a Pro controller or broke out their old Gamecube controller to play games on the Wii better.
The visuals are part of the gameplay. You physically couldn't play a Virtual Boy game without shoving your head into the headset. That is on a totally different level than the optional motion controls for the Wii, that otherwise functioned as a conventional console.

>>717780894 (OP)
I was 16 turning 17 when that thing came out and it was the coolest thing ever for a while.
Well, that was almost 20 years ago, and now we're old, and wondering how it's ever so possible, that cool dudes like us, got to be not so cool anymore.
It sucks pops, but you'll get used to it, and soon you'll enjoy not giving a shit anymore.

Personally I feel if a game runs on old hardware, it's in the club. The devs had to take constraints into account just like back in the day. Games like this tend to be decently received on /vr/.

>>717804720
can you define that

>>717805034
Retard, wiggle wasn't needed at all when using the GC controller in those games.

>>717805132
I just did.

>>717805074
>old hardware
define old
ps3 is old
ps4 is old
xbox 360 is old
psp is old

>>717804378
>Oh boy, I sure love playing retro games like COD: BLOPS, such a retro feel to it

>>717785935
Something that ended mainstream support/left the cultural zeitgeist 15 years ago.

>>717805208
Old as in pre 3D hardware acceleration.

>>717805074
Earthion that just released is a good example

>>717805330
Damn that looks sick. Thanks anon.

>>717803717
We're pissed because things have managed to regress since you faggots were born and just accept any sort of slop

>>717804560
I did and turned your argument against you. Because you are clearly on the side of 'anything 10 years old or more is retro'

>>717805485
>regress
Never happened.
Sorry that modern devs care about gameplay and not just shiny graphics.

>>717805362
Yeah man no worries
Ancient made it, the guys behind Streets of Rage 2

>>717805620
>modern devs
>gameplay

pft

>>717805761
Fortnite is more mechanically complex than your favorite shooter.

>>717805810
lol

>>717805810
Lmao

>>717805893
>>717805916
What is your favorite shooter?

>>717805810
Past your bedtime, kiddo.

>>717803016
>the styles are substantially different.
Levi has produced the same style of jeans since the 1800s. A pair from 130+ years ago was found in a mine shaft and besides small details like it being button up instead of a zipper and rivets for suspenders instead of belt loops they are nearly identical to the same modern Levis that have been available across the world for a century.
You could look at a graphic tee from the 1940's and it wouldn't look retro to you because the style has changed so little. A college style graphic tee from 75 years ago is the same style as today. The type of plain t-shirt worn by Marlon Brando in black and white movies from the 1950s are identical to ones made today. You are describing fashion TRENDS, there have always been staple fashion items that never go out of style or become "retro" because their design never changes and is never outdated despite any arbitrary length of time that passes even when that line crosses centuries.

>>717805967
A toss up between BF2, tribes 2 and UT2k4

>>717806063
Makes you wonder why somebody was stripping in a mine shaft.

>>717780894 (OP)
The gaming community considered the SNES retro when the Xbox 360 was a thing. The time between those two was 16 years, the PSP is 20 years old as of 2025

It's very possible now for then kids to look back on CoD4 as "the good old days" since that game is 18 years old now

t. 32 year old boomer

>>717806063
The cut of those jeans is totally different to today.
Where they sit on the body (waist vs hip), how they're contoured to the thigh, calve, and ankle, how deep the gusset is, etc.
Jeans are not jeans. They're a type of clothing that is mutable over time.
A 00s skate park pair of skinny jeans that were tight around the ankles and calves and sat below the hip line, is not the same article of clothing to those miner pants, even if they're made of denim.

>>717806363
You are absolutely fucking lying to yourself if you think those jeans are any different than new jeans, you could easily wear those with a plain white shirt and nobody would look at you and notice anything different the same as if you picked up a pair from walmart today. I swear some of you niggers just want to be fucking retarded.

>>717806284
> It's very possible now for then kids to look back on CoD4 as "the good old days" since that game is 18 years old now
There’s no issue with that
It’s just that they’re not retro games and shouldn’t be on /vr/ at any point
Maybe call it modern retro or something, but there’s clearly not much difference between it and modern games as opposed to those older than it

>>717806363
>>717806451
Hit enter too early on my previous post.
The trends are part of what gives something a feeling of being dated.
Action platformers/beat em ups, like God of War or DMC 1 or Asura's Wrath, aren't something that are made today regardless of the ease of doing so on modern systems.
The gameplay trends involved are what makes them immediately identifiable as outdated and retro.
Anyone that made a new game that played like God of War would be doing so in emulation of something that is identifiably outdated and retro.

And people would immediately be able to tell that you were wearing something weird in those miner's dungarees.
Just like if you worse an 1940s double breasted suit with giant shoulder pads and brouge shoes around.

>>717797708
Bro stop this hurts, as a zoomer who grew up with gen 6 and 7 hearing any of that shit called retro just makes me feel old im not ready for it

If the millenioomers wanna gate keep retro, good, they can be old so that i can stay young a little longer

>>717806191
Fortnite has substantially more mechanical complexity than any of those. The building mechanic itself is something that few shooters will ever approach in depth and breadth of the skill ceiling involved. And it matches UT04 with its vehicles.

>>717805620
Imagine defending modern day devs and also thinking they have a clue about cohesive gameplay. Zoomers are fucked

>>717805967
ARMA 2.

>>717806784
>cohesive gameplay
Buzzword. You'll never define it rigorously.

>>717806493
Absolute retardation. /vr/ should follow the actual meaning of retro and just create a new board called "vidya ancient" for the autists that want just pre 2000s stuff.

>>717806840
>you should change to accommodate my delusions
lol no

>>717806712
Building mechanics in fortnite were destroyed when they added the option to hold to build. All strategy and complexity of building was replaced with efficient muscle memory builds.

>>717806810
>Zoomer doesn't understand what cohesive means
Just don't bother replying next time kid, it makes you look less retarded

>>717806712
Sounds like you haven’t played those games youngun

>>717806810
"Cohesive" is pretty straightforward zoom zoom. This isn't twitch, you can't win arguments by insisting everything is a buzzword.

>>717806897
You are the one wanting to redefine retro because of delusions that time doesn't pass.

>>717806936
That made it worse for sure, but a worse version of a mechanic that basically no other shooters can match is still above par.
If Ace of Spades was revived Fortnite would have competition, however. But that is hardly an old game, itself.

>>717806986
>>717807005
Give me an example of 3 games with cohesive gameplay.
Give me an example of 3 games without cohesive gameplay.

>>717806936
Pointless anyway, they all used macros for building shit

>>717807020
Not redefining anything, go read the rules of /vr/
Which btw were redefined to accommodate 6th gen

>>717805252
>3D hardware acceleration.
>The Nintendo 64, released in 1996, was the first console to feature hardware-based 3D graphics acceleration
n64 isnt retro i guess

>>717785590
You can't understand if you didn't live through the switch

>>717780894 (OP)
Lol

>>717807025
Not really. Even Epic understood how scuffed building has become and removed it in a separate zero build mode that rivals popularity of the build mode

>>717805557
>Because you are clearly on the side of 'anything 10 years old or more is retro'
actually im on the side of 20 years past the last official software/hardware release for that console/operating system
so for me the ps2 will be retro in 2034 as the last game was released in 2014
counting from release date of hardware/software is retarded
so is saying it has a definitive begin and end

>>717781365
>press button to eject disc
>it ejects disc
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW???

>>717807418
That's the same argument but with 10 years added you dumb autist. So my original point of you calling anything past select time period retro being retarded still stands

>>717807657
>its retarded
>>why
>BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK!
yeh "ok" anon.

Anyone else still emulate on their psp? It's true usage.

>>717808487
PSP true usage was Monhun

>>717808527
nah, that's just a mainstream thing.

>>717780894 (OP) >>717780894 (OP)
What is the term for retro-style games that are old enough to become retro?

>>717808374
I gave you a reason why in my original response. You are apparently too fucking stupid to understand it.

>>717780894 (OP)
it has to be divided into eras, similarly to art
ancient era: 1st and 2nd gen
retro era: 3rd and 4th gen
something: 5th and 6th gen

>>717810830
Art fags are retarded subhumans and video games should not imitate them. Video games have literal console gens to be specific with, it doesn't need to warp the meaning of words to make eras like that.

>>717811043
I just think you can't group a console and its games like the PS3 along with the SNES under a single term "retro", they're extremely different

>>717796878
it was plastic made to look like wood you dingus

lowres 3d to hires 3d isn't a retro jump, you fucking idiots.

>>717785935
anything before you became an adult.

>>717811102
And you think wrong.

For me it's the same shit. Retro starts with the PS1. You can upscale PS2 and PSP games on emulator and they look pretty much like modern games, you can't do that with ps1 games because of pre renderized background, limited controls, physics etc

>>717812493
>pretty much like modern games

They don't. Show someone gta san andreas and have them guess the console it launched on. Not a single person will say the ps5.

>>717809625
That reminds me that Shovel Knight is 11 years old now. It's almost retro itself.

>>717780894 (OP)
Its not retro though

>>717782653
>>717783051
They should follow pokemon generation styling.
Retro: I, II
Classic: III, IV, V
Modern: VI, VII
Garbage: VIII+

Pretty sure retro is a word with a subjective meaning. So for someone a psp is retro and for some older people it isn't.

>>717798203
Yeah because of the retarded amounts of graphical effects that add nothing to the gameplay, faggot.

All the DMC games did what FF16 did but better in terms of actual mechanics, even fucking DMC2

>>717780894 (OP)
>AI Overview every time
Good morning, sir.

>>717781367
>>717796659
Thanks

>>717780894 (OP)
The PSP was the last good console and it's retro

>>717812856
Thank you. Retards that say the 6th gen is modern don't take into account how much technology has advanced between the beginning and the end of the 6th gen. We went from fucking 32-bit computers with a 4GB RAM limit to modern 64-bit computers that ,outside of being slower than modern computers, can essentially do any task you want it to today

A lot of the advanced graphical effects and advanced physics that defined the 7th gen could not run on any of the 6th gen consoles (maybe the Xbox, but you'd take a huge performance hit and the game wouldn't be playable in any meaningful way). Not to mention that generation was the last to have component inputs for CRTs and not HDMI inputs (which still define how modern games display their output).

I agree that modern consoles from the PS3 onward won't be retro until some massive paradigm shift happens in the gaming technology world, but on the same token, pretending that 6th gen consoles aren't retro and haven't been since the PS4 era really (when we really got into the main phase of modern gaming) is just as retarded.

>>717780894 (OP)
The PS3 is a retro console, bro

>>717785545
>when would you consider the ps3 to be out of current gen?
when developers stop making glorified PS3 games

>>717782653
I think it has more to do with the fact that technology hasn't progressed one bit since the PSP was new, so in a way it still feels modern. We have stagnated as a species and this phenomenon is only going to get worse over time.

>>717780894 (OP)
>2005
What the actual fuck?

>>717787658
>Why would you ever rest your fingers there during any game?
Do you understand there's people with big hands in the world?
Not everyone is a manlet like you.

>>717785025
>ps3 is modern

You wouldn't say this about other technology of that time. Do you think blackberry's are still modern? You can't buy anything from the ps3 store. It is the same gen as wii.

>>717780894 (OP)
PS3 isn't retro and neither is the PSP

It happened to you

Why are people so unwilling to accept that shit like this is close if not beyond 20 years old at this point

>>717780894 (OP)
same as xbox360 just wait until november 2025 when /vr/ sticky and rules will get updated.

>>717787664
they are, the only places that release DVDs are Japan and small run of kaiju movies or anime stuff or music concert stuff.

blu-ray films (nor bluray vidya) is also retro none care about bluray films

>>717831186
Living in denial is bad unc

>games from SNES/Genesis and earlier: Vintage
>games from PS1/N64 through PS3/PSP: Retro
yes, you really are that fucking old. so am i.