Why did it fail when DOTA was so successful?

Its dota + a fps creating an even more ridiculous skill ceiling which leads to the bottom half of players buring out mainly because they will never put in the hours required to truly understand the game.

Its not even out yet. Dota had fewer beta players

IT'S NOT EVEN OUT YET STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT THIS SHITTY ASS GAME UNTIL GABEN GETS OFF HIS ASS AND ACTUALLY RELEASES IT

>>717787629 (OP)
there's too many of these forever games already out there eating up all the players who might've committed to deadlock

Dota is fun and it feels good to play.
Shooting these nerf guns at bullet sponges with stilted 3d movement?
Not fun.

>>717788434
>fun
meme buzzword

>>717787629 (OP)
It's just too much shit to be aware of + the games are long af
t. dotafag

if you play yamato you're just a pocket player that sucks ass

>>717787629 (OP)
it's the type of game that becomes insufferable to play once a meta develops but lacks sufficient addictive hooks to keep massive amounts of people coming back to slurp despite unanimously hating the game with every fiber of their being

i still think it's fun

>>717787629 (OP)
The heros are incredibly boring
The game runs like shit
There were specific heroes (bebop) that made a ton of noobs quit
Too hard to get into and still in development

I love these daily deadflop hate threads, keep it up
Riot rules icefraud drools

>>717787939
Dota's closed beta had an increase in players over time, not a total collapse lmfao

>>717787629 (OP)
Dota 2 just had to be Dota. Deadlock had to be something new, and instead it just ended up being yet another MOBA except yipee now even your auto attacks require you to aim them, and other shooter goodies like obscure movement tech that you'll likely never find out naturally. There's nothing to draw MOBA fans away from the games they actually like, and people who hate typical MOBAs and were hoping for something more approachable by being a fusion were instead disappointed with more of the same.

Which is a shame, because I think we're in the perfect time period for new MOBAs to come out, now that we're over a decade away from not just LoL and Dota but also the flood of lazy clones they inspired. Any developer that wanted to make something new, something that learned from the flaws of those games or just be bold with shaking things up, now would be the time to do it, and instead they're squandering it.

>posting about how dead a game is unironically keeping it alive
Based schizos

The entire idea is stupid, a first person game will always fundamentally be about AIMING, there is no reason for Deadlock to exist when CS exists. Rainbow Six is already a better shooter-moba.

I'm 8k MMR in DotA and quite good at shooters (take my word for it) but the mental stack required to play Deadlock properly at a high level is just too draining. I'm old enough to be out of my ranked grind compfaggotry phase and have no interest in MMR points, but even unranked Deadlock matches expect you to be locked the fuck in on your aim, movement, macro game, map movements, itemization, etc. and it's just not really relaxing. DotA's not really much different but at least over there you can just pick whatever wacky off-meta pick you feel like playing and chill while you last hit and make plays, doing the same thing in DotA means laser-focusing on an aim trainer minigame for ten minutes. It's all amplified by a magnitude of like, five, and quite simply there are just other games I'd rather be playing to have a good time.

>>717794263
doing the same thing in Deadlock* of course, my bad.

>>717794263
How much of your skill in FPS carries over? Can you put up a fight without knowing autistic DotA memorizations?

I don't really get the new map
The items are all cool but it took so long to full build and now you can't even get a full build, there's some item bloat
I played like 5 hours today trying to get back into it, still think movement during a battle isn't the best, there needs to be more characters added

>>717788090
This is gonna be another one of their projects that gets quietly taken to the back and shot like dota underlords and artifact.
In a year they will pretend this never existed

>>717794451
If you can survive laning stage, which is typically possible against noobs, it is totally possible to buy tesla bullets and siphon bullets and just go apeshit on whatever you see. These posts about needing perfect macro/micro just to queue up for normals are bullshit. Be sure to buy extra regen/restorative shot to help you get through the laning stage as well.

>>717794451
It's hard for me to answer definitively because I'm biased and have the autistic DotA memorizations I think, but I'm pretty sure you can have an advantage over nerds with pure aim skills on the dedicated gun carries like Infernus. The bigger thing than memorizations though is being able to play like a MOBA, knowing when to push your advantage, how to position in lane, when and how you can get away with being aggressive, etc. If you're good at arena shooters specifically you'll probably have a knack for it and do well, if you're pure twitch aim CS/OW gaming then the learning curve might be a little harder. Knowing the fundamentals of what starter items to get in lane to snowball yourself a little bit will also play a huge impact and level the field a bit I think, if you can aim but not shop then you'll maybe win the first five minutes or so but start losing if the other person knows what kind of items to buy and how to abuse them against you.

I like it but god i wish i could GEO block europe/asia/etc and only play in US servers. The higher rank you go, the odds of hearing raging screaming russians with ESL goes up to infinity. First they bark orders, then when you ignore them start cursing non stop, then switch over to russian and keep cursing. If there is another russian on team, the speed of this happening is amplified 10x.

>>717794631
two more weeks until they dump 7 more heroes into the game

>>717794996
you can
f7 citadel_region_override 0

>>717794996
mute voice chat and you'll never know
>b-but I need to coordinate or I'll lose mmr
oh noes!

>>717795120
Really, that still works? Thank you jesus if it's true.
>>717795225
I have met plenty of cool people with voice, and all of them were native english speakers. The mindset is just completely different than the retarded russians.

>>717795120
The Russian will do the same, then what?

>>717787629 (OP)
Because the gameplay and art style is fucking shit. The only MOBA shooter I every liked was Monday Night Combat and that was ruined by SMNC

>>717794762
I don't know what that means but I'll try my best when the game comes out for real. I guess I'll ask in these threads which of the characters benefit from good shooting skills so I don't waste my time.

>>717794864
This is less encouraging but if I like the game enough then I'll bother trying to learn all the outside combat stuff, or at least enough to get buy,

>>717795119
For me, it's homeless dracula

>>717794451
You need the autistic memorizations for item build, item counters, spawn locations and timers

>>717787629 (OP)
the skill requirement filtered all the shitters that would otherwise play it

>>717794263
Youre not 8k

Flopping tranny deadcock.

>>717794451
you'll eventually have to figure out how to properly itemize and stuff but I believe that people who come from shooters will end up overtaking people who come from MOBA's, since MOBA difficulty is just knowledge checks

>>717787629 (OP)
valve are scamming hacks without any talent for game design. even gacha respect your time and money more than valve does. valve will sell you cosmetics they break a week after you buy it and 6 months later they don't fix it and when you ticket their support they tell you to go beg on reddit. a full year after the stuff you purchase is broken they will then try to resell you it again and then break it afterwards. the only reason why they decide to fix it is cause somebody on reddit says they're going to go to a journalist and get articles written about how valve are scammers worse than shady gacha.

valve are genuinely the worst most scummy game developers around. even shit like ubisoft, ea, and others don't tell you to go beg reddit jeets for upvotes so a developer maybe will fix what you purchased from them. they're at the stage of being totally delusional and having megalomania thinking they're gods. when you look at valve's employee list you're going to notice there's a lot of jeets and the number is increasing so their scamming behavior will only get worse.

they add a lot of superficial and trivial things under the guise of complexity but you'll notice it's simply a burden of knowledge and not anything creative, intelligent, or skillful. not just that, but as i said they're at the megalomania stage so while they begin with lots of superficial stuff pretending it's complex they only do reductionism reducing the amount of influence it has by 1-5% for 10 patches straight. afterwards you'll notice the important decisions are now minor influence adding 1% more dps. megalomanic developers think they're gods who know perfect balance so they keep reducing every choice down into tic-tac-toe but use the guise of complexity using burdensome knowledge of triviality

>>717787629 (OP)
satanism

>health nova is a t3
>rescue beam has 60s cd
>have to buy a 6.4k item for item cooldown reduction
>tether heal share down to 25%
>stun duration like 2/3 of what it used to be
Why do they make my poor Wivy suffer so...

>>717787629 (OP)
>>717787629 (OP)
Lol perfect place and time and dota 2 is just a better game its the greatest game of all time by far and its really not even close the only people that truly dont love the game is people that cant learn it deadlock is a great game but its just isn't the Goat

>>717797776
support is useless in this nuke meta anyways

>>717787629 (OP)
Valve is mostly composed of talentless hacks now.

>>717797976
And that's a bad thing....

>>717787629 (OP)
Everything about the game is just so off-putting.
>3rd person shooter
>MOBA formula means you aren't on equal footing with your opponents like every other shooter game - you have to factor in levels and equipment
>farming creeps is even more burdensome in a shooter format
>the weird ass early 1900s setting but with gargoyles, spirits, reptilian monsters, robots, and just a mish-mash of every other type of fictional creature all thrown together into a chaotic mess

>>717792892
Only way to play this beta is getting invites from people, so its not like anyone can just sign up

>>717798139
oh i agree i fucking hate every lobby having yamato

>>717788690
retard

it will probably do well when it comes out but people in the Alpha were shaken off by the unfinished nature of everything and the regular, sweeping changes in the game fundamental design. In a game with so many things to learn, having to relearn stuff you figured out months ago every time there's a patch is frustrating. like they changed how Rejuve works twice in a week. Big changes too, so the entire macro-purpose of Mid-Boss and Rejuve is totally different now. And they'll probably change it again anyway because more than half of what's in the game is still being iterated on.
Deadlock was definitely never meant to be available to the public at this point.

>>717798713
>retard
meme buzzword

>>717787629 (OP)
game is exhausting, it takes way more effort to play casually than dota
art style is wayyy too boring and woke, half the characters are disabled, not sexy enough, not edgy enough, look like playdoh

>>717799095
>meme buzzword
meme buzzword

>>717799246
the way the gane looks is just fcking boring hard to describe

>>717798886
how is it gonna do well? tell us. tell us about how valve is going to release cosmetics so jeets and bots inflate the player count, retard. it's gonna be like tf2 where 80% of the "users" are bots?

coping deadflop tranny are the most embarrasing retards around. dota from the days of wc3 was popular and it never went downward until lol/dota2 got released. your shitty game isn't going to get any sorta magical development that changes everything. good games are good from the start and when they go to shit it's where they stay. valve never beat the numbers wc3 dota had at its peak and have only made the game worse compared to it also.

unique and cool stuff like tinker is just bland trash now. they had to remove techies from the game cause they're such hacks. there's zero chance the talentless scammers at valve will gain traction.

>>717799315
the game just puts you to sleep, i dont know who the fuck is the design lead

is it coming out this year?

>>717799405
you never played classic DotA lol
there were a bunch of different DotA versions all the way back from the start of Reign of Chaos
if you actually try to track down an old version of a RoC DotA map (the one I saw people playing back in the day was 3.7 I believe) it is absolutely NOTHING like Dota Allstars, like genuinely 90% of what makes Allstars what it is, is completely missing

>>717799405
something else that's funny is how deadflop tranny pretend moba games aren't experimental from the start to the end with ever evolving changes and development. moba games aren't cs where you play the same map and guns for a decade the entire game always changes and has patches drop that rework the core aspects of the game.

deadflop trannies saying "uhhh, they change stuff so it's not popular. wait until it's out of alpha" gotta be autistic tf2 tranny who think valve is going to make a "finished product" that's the same for years or something. if they can't make experimental changes and directional developmentsl good now why would they make them good later?

let me guess
>uhh, numbers, data, muhhhh balance!!
fucking retard. people want to have fun with wild and experimental stuff not have "balanced" 50% win rate

>>717788289
This is what I don't understand. Are developers so retarded that they really think they're going to siphon off fartnite players en masse for every shitty pre-release game now?

>deadlock
More like deadcock
Lol lmao

>>717799846
i did notice your pilpul, deadflop tranny. the numbers for dota all stars only went upward it was the biggest e-sports game in the world. my post doesn't have anything to do with random trivia involving how age of strife in sc was the basis for moba you fucking faggot. you randomly try to flex your tranny knowledge instead of addressing the point that since dota-allstars.com days the numbers only went up and how dota 2 never even beat them.

also, tell us about how it's going to do well. tell us about the cosmetics that will make it popular, deadflop tranny.

>>717800151
fugg

>>717787629 (OP)
It's not fun in an shooter to see the other team pull ahead and suddenly your bullets are doing less damage.

>>717796829
I'd take a screenshot of my MMR to prove you wrong but I haven't played ranked in almost two years now so it's uncalibrated

Here's my one screenshot from around the time with me as team captain (highest MMR, EU) that you'll hopefully accept instead

Characters are so unappealing
amazing this came from the same people who did tf2

>>717788289
what this guy said, if you've done the dota sing and dance you know it takes thousands of hours to get good, and I simply cba doing it all over again for another game

>>717787629 (OP)
DEIniggers are heading the development of the game. They're far too busy consuming their own cum to actually play the game. Balance is fucking atrocious, items are very boring in design and keep creating trends towards global build types because they're too impactful stat-wise compared to the hero skill coefficients, and the character design is somehow more ideologically hostile to its prospect playerbase than even overwatch was.
>>717800386
>I haven't played ranked in almost two years now
Congrats on your promotion to herald
the dota rank system is flawless this exact thing happened to me, I grinded to high legend in 3 months and it's just not worth the fucking time to get back to immortal, especially given the insane proliferation of bought accounts(1-2 per game in AU/NZ) and the maphackers(1 in 10-20 games in AU/NZ) that boost them

>>717800957
I was tempted to get back on the grind last year because I don't think I was at my peak yet at 8k, but that was right around the time Crownfall dropped and introduced double down abuse that completely destroyed the ranked queue so I didn't. I'll never get why Valve let that persist for an entire year when Immortal Draft made it so easy to abuse.

>>717800467
Characters are best in class, only game you might be able to draw comparisons with is Overwatch which hasn't had a good track record since it's sequel and has some of the most milquetoast character interactions of all time.

>>717801151
Simple answer for crownfall double down abuse was valve was directly selling the tokens so they're not going to do anything that would hurt the sales.

>>717801151
because they're hacks and scammers? do you think you can see the issue but everybody at valve is blind and deaf? they wanted to make money looting the corpse of dota. they always try to think of how to screw the players over and take advantage of them while giving as little as possible. they actually do prisoner style experiments on the players and then just forget about it.

it's pretty clear there's some sadistic developers who just enjoy punishing and lording over dota players with the shit they implement. also their "game" psychologist is definitely a woman so it makes it even worse.

>>717801326
are you the Artifact guy

>>717801197
>Characters are best in class
>posts a pic of a charcoal black nigger and a gay, AIDS-ridden Popeye
How far have the standards fallen?

>>717801415
no. i never touched that piece of trash game. i knew valve was filled with hacks even back in 2016 i saw how they tried to drip feed content as slowly as possible.

the artifact guy was totally correct valve are scammers.

>>717787629 (OP)
Most people dont want to put in thousands of hours to be kind of ok at these knowledge check autism sims.

>>717801621
Okay tell him I said hi then

>>717787629 (OP)
>ctrl+f "ugly"
>0 results
It's fucking ugly. The character designs are repulsive, the UI is an eyesore, and clearly, no one on the team has the foggiest idea what color theory is.

>>717787629 (OP)
i was only interested in the players vs bots mode and i specifically wanted to actually work together
unfortunately that mode is really bad because it ends too quickly and you dont really work together at all
i think it would be fun if it was a horde shooter

>>717794705
>massive gameplay and now artistic work being done
>theyre just gonna give up lol
Everyone here is so stupid now

Valve can't make their own shit
Dota? bought
CS? bought
TF? bought
Portal? bought

>>717787629 (OP)
>already difficult moba gameplay
>let's slap in an item store with 600 items and 50 different stats

>more overmeme clones
sigh

will never be topped

>>717787629 (OP)
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.
These are TWO different characters.

>your teammates for this evening, sir

>>717787629 (OP)
>making another stupid fucking moba instead of something inspired and fun similar to tf2
fuck valve

>>717804124

>/v/
>"the game industry makes nothing but braindead movie games for retards"
>also /v/
>"deadlock is too hard it should not exist"

>>717804124
can't believe retards play this trash and look at that screen thinking
>this is gonna be fire!
lmao. i remember seeing that grandma with the bow and thinking how fucking ugly and awful it looked. i thought it was a joke but valve really released some 80 year old grandma with a bow and thought that was cool.

that's your brain when you're a gen-x cuckold with erectile dysfunction

>>717787629 (OP)
Played this for the first time in a year this weekend. Why'd they get rid of the four lanes? I liked the divide of two 2v2s and two 1v1s and having to watch out on either side for when those numbers changed.

>>717804634
whenever a 2v2 lane won they would immediately send someone over to rape the nearby 1v1 lane so no one wanted to play solo

>>717804528
it's always deadflop tranny like you falseflagging that their game is so super hard and totally super skillfull unlike anything else in the world. your game isn't super difficult and skillfull at all, retard. you're so stupid you don't even understand difficulty comes from the opponents not the trash game. only weirdo tranny like deadflop so the skill level is low.

your game is just an ugly shitty fps with hero units and some old tired movement skills. valve doesn't actually have any talent to create something unique or that is complex in a meaningful way.
>we have lots of random trivial stuff that doesn't actually have much impact
so does every random gacha. truly unique stuff like tinker, techies, and similar heroes are all removed and neutered by valve. every patch is about nerfing high skill dota heroes that can 1v9 so why would deadflop be different?

>>717804797
hoes mad

valve can't even manage tf2 and ruined counter strike, why would I have any hope for their next game. Valve, you made some good games but please just stick to your money printer.

>>717804845
>20 years ago icefraud stole ideas from the community and struck gold
>for 10 valve managed to fuck up all core aspects of the game but kept the formula similar enough people kept playing
>retards think icefraud and valve are going to make something skillful or complex
haha, so stupid. high skill is unfair and cheating so when you put in 100% more effort and have to play the piano for 40 minutes on tinker you shouldn't be able to win against a crystal maiden support cuckold faggot and it's not balanced for you to have that power.

this valve nowadays. your game will never be super skilful or actually complex cause it's valve who is developing it. they already try their to remove skill and complexity from all their other games. they took the most unique heroes in the genre and turned them.

>>717805376
keep crying all you want
I'm having fun

Everyone who can make a good game left Valve to go make good games. The new blood is all assfaggotly trained. In short, they don't know how to make a "fun" game anymore. Just a competitive game.

>>717805502
cool. your game has similar numbers to tf2. even less actually. have fun with your 10k playerbase game that's not super skilled or difficult at all

>>717787629 (OP)
I swear it's the same guy making these threads.

>>717802730
just play mvm lmao

>>717787863
>>717804797
>fps
indian who didn't even look at a screenshot of the game award

>>717805579
thanks have fun malding about it
game's not dead until you can't find a match, and development is still going full bore

>>717805570
they don't know how to make a competitive game either. all they do is remove complexity and skill while adding burdens of knowledge that don't have any real impact. you get to learn 200 different trivialities so you gain 3% efficiency. look at dota talents for an example of how they're worthless hacks. the talents began with huge impact adding 400 attack ranger now it adds 70 range. talents that increased damage by 200 now add +10.

it's getting so pathetic pretty soon it's gonna be .5% power increase while you have to memorize 1000 random fucking worthless things.

>>717804797
This is a huemonkey post

>>717787629 (OP)
MOBA = zombie genre.

>>717799871
>paragraphs of unintelligible postslop
>all in trannycase
I know what you are.

>>717787629 (OP)
It came out too late BUT even then I think doter would've heemed this fag shit because it's just Dota and CS's drunk sex baby and if you like either of those why play this over that

>>717787629 (OP)
I enjoy it but it wouldn't surprise me if most people find it unappealing. On top of being a moba it has a very weird niche aesthetic,

because dota is fukken 30 years old at this point and it imprisoned all the autists in a map they'll never leave.
deadlock meanwhile is some boring Overwatch clone hero-shooter extraction shit? i don't even really know I just know it's another added to the pile of boring multiplayer-only shootans.

>ITT: buttblasted people who desperately wanted to go pro on a game that will never make it

>>717806989
>Overwatch clone hero-shooter extraction shit?
where do people even get this idea
deadlock is a third person shooter MOBA, where two teams fight in 3 lanes, killing eachother and NPC's, slowly gaining money and upgrades

>>717807516
>deadlock is a third person shooter MOBA
1. The proper term is ASSFAGGOTS
2. Overwatch has been called a first person ASSFAGGOTS for years, so the degrees of separation are minimal and the comparisons are completely warranted.

>>717807609
so you saw some people on /v/ call overwatch gay, and saw some people on /v/ call deadlock gay, so that means the games are very similar?

>>717807963
You are deliberately playing dumb so I will no longer reply to you.

>>717787629 (OP)
forced movement

If you told me Valve made this I wouldn't believe you.

I tried to like the game. I really did. At first, before reading all the leaks or whatever, I thought it would be just a "hero shooter" with some minor MOBA elements, e.g a more complex Paladins.

what I got feels like Dota 2 mixed with clunky, unsatisfying shooting mechanics, awkward movement, and a dull, uninspired map. It’s caught between two genres and fails at both. If you’re looking for tight, rewarding gunplay, you’re far better off playing Counter-Strike. If you want strategic MOBAstyle gameplay, Dota 2 already exists and does it infinitely better.
So who exactly is this game for?

I appreciate the art style, music, and overall presentation but the gameplay itself is just a disjointed mess.

>>717803424
ESLtard

>>717798207
same for dota tho

>>717787629 (OP)
I play DOTA specifically because I hate sweaty move tech in games, watching all your shots miss because some kid lobbied backwards wall jumping for 50 hours is so boring

>>717792892
dota also had an enormous following from the first game, this does not.

>>717787629 (OP)
Who the fuck wants to play an ASSFAGGOTS in the big 25.
Second, it's a Valve game, so I already know it's going to have chinese cash-shop tier eyeraping visual effect cosmetics within 3 years if the game is still up

>seeing the absolute disgusting lack of visual clarity (I haven't played the game so If I'm wrong, I'll eat that
>valve are praised for how much visual clarity and distinct readability tf2 has
So... did they just strike gold with tf2 and haven't known what to do since or what?

>>717811895
>did they just strike gold with tf2 and haven't known what to do since or what?
Not just Valve, but the whole fucking industry. People whine about TF2 so much because there still isn't another active game like it.

>>717787629 (OP)
Half the roster is black

>>717807609
>Overwatch has been called a first person ASSFAGGOTS
Nobody's ever said this, ever

>>717794705
then just let it fucking die quietly if you care so little about it

>>717792439
I don't play these types of games because whenever I see footage like this I have no idea what's going on.

>>717807609
ASSFAGGOTS is a stupid acronym.
"Going On Two Sides"?

>>717809270
newfag

>>717787629 (OP)
Valvetrannies cant make games

>>717812923
woah, the humorous backronym "ASSFAGGOTS" isn't a great descriptor of the AoS-clone genre?
the biggest shame is that Pendragon's "MOBA" is equally terrible and doesn't have the excuse of being a dumb joke, yet somehow became common parlance.