Thread 717799921

PS2 losing the crown to the Switch is inevitable.

would you look at that? sony found another 10 million unaccounted for ps2s

Breaking news, sir!
The PS2 actually sold 200 million units!

>>717799921 (OP)
Nice fanfic number.

>>717799990
can't believe sony found another 15 million PS2s in a new mexico landfill right next to the ET cartridges

They'll just keep "finding" new previously unaccounted for sales. They're like democrats during an election.

>>717799921 (OP)
I'm curious if trump jacking up the prices of the switch with his massive tax hikes. combined with Sony's faked numbers >>717800145
Is going to make it harder for Nintendo to break the record.

>>717800185
why are console fanboys also annoying /pol/tards 90% of the time

>>717799921 (OP)
they are including switch 2 in that
so it doesnt count
also including switch lite means ps2 gets to include psp too

>>717800269
Once you realize snoys and republicans are the same group of cancer, things all connect and why for /v/ to heal they need to fuck off.

>>717800264
Trump did the tariffs so PlayStation would win confirmed

>>717800424
no they aren't retard

>>717799990
>>717800103
>>717800172
>>717800185
huh i didn't realize ps2 unit sales revisionists existed. it's the most documented console gen in history chuds, seek help

>>717799921 (OP)
>If I say it enough times, it will become true!

>>717799921 (OP)
PS2 lost the crown against the DS years back. That's the first time Sony lied about numbers. Once Switch hit 150 Sony lied again. Once Switch hits 170 million in 2 years Sony will claim they magically found 5 more million units sold in the middle east or Brazil.

>>717799921 (OP)
I don't believe either of these numbers. Simple as.

>>717800567
>SIE
>accurately documenting console sales

lol
lmao even

>>717800527
it legitimately blows my mind that the wii u only sold 13 million
that is unthinkable to me when looking at nintendo and their cult
how do you fuck up this bad

>>717800424
>they are including switch 2 in that
wrong
>also including switch lite means ps2 gets to include psp too
they can do that since the switch lite is just a normal switch in a smaller form factor
the PSP on the other hand is not able to run PS2 games or other software

>>717799921 (OP)
>Neat what games should i play . Oh shoot i dont have that can i borrow yours ?

>>717799921 (OP)
Isn't it a coincidence that the PS2 was the last console era where the console install base grew?

hmm...

>>717800567
>it's the most documented console gen in history chuds, seek help
Ok, yet when that gen finished Sony had 150 million units. AFTER that, literally in the beginning of the year, Sony said that they corrected the number just as Switch was going to hit their total. So where the fuck is the documentation for that.

>>717800567
Explain this to Jim Ryan who was coping so hard in a podcast that even AFTER being fired from Sony he whipped five million PS2 units sold out of his ass to say the Switch won't beat it

>>717800689
>and their cult
Maybe.... Hardcore nintefags are actually a minority? Remember when you faggots said Nintendo fans would buy anything and Labo ended up bombing so hard that $80 sets were selling for $10-20 in the clearance bins across all retailers?

>>717800689
Turns out it's not a cult, buddy. Flop systems do die.

>>717800793
>Isn't even working for Sony
>Lies about extra units
>PlayStation Group actually uses it as an official number

It's almost as pathetic as Wikipediafags arguing wether Switch was 8th or 9th gen (it started 9th gen)

>>717800689
The actual size of the tendie cult is about that much. The Wii U was just that undesirable of a product that no one outside of it wanted it.

>>717799921 (OP)
PS2 already lost in reality considering half the hardware was sold to non-gamers as a cheap dvd player.

>>717799921 (OP)
>ps2 sells 160mill when population of gamers is less than 10 mill
>switch sells 150 mill when population of gamers is 4 bill
kek and tendies dare call this a victory

>>717799921 (OP)
Why would anyone care about a handheld outselling the PS2?

>>717800983
>13 million cultists magically conjure 137+ million sales from thin air depending entirely on whether the full moon is pulling on the cerebrospinal fluid of The Nintendo Fan
This might actually be the hardest cope I've ever seen on /v/.

>>717800269
terminal tribalist brainrot

>>717801076
>when you have zero reading comprehension

>>717800834
>trying to sell worthless cardboard for $80
The sheer chutzpah of the yellow kikes at Nintendo is enough to outdo the real deal.

>>717800689
The 64 only sold 32 mil
The GC only sold 21 mil
It's really not weird at all that they shit out another stinker with the Wii U. People saying Nintendo fans are cultists that buy everything Nintendo shits out has historically been false. There's more evidence for Sony fans being cultists considering Playstation has only had a single failure with the Vita.

>>717800269
He's right though, and it was a relevant thing to reference

>>717801145
>when 13 million cultists are a harder driving force than 140 million soccer moms in /v/'s heads

>>717800269
You're never a screaming chimp about just one thing in your life.

>>717800424
>also including switch lite means ps2 gets to include psp too
Nah, it's more like including fat PS2 and slim PS2, which they already do include both

>>717800689
>Make a console that look like a wii
>Make it barely more powerful than a wii
>Make all the marketing talk about the controller so people think it's a an add on for the wii
>Name it like a wii
It's that simple, 100% of the best selling Switch games are Wii U games so the problem was not the games or the console itself.

Who the fuck is buying a Switch 1? Switch 2 barely costs more after the price increase.

>>717799921 (OP)
Tendies, you'll survive.

>>717800689
>No 3rd party support leaving Nintendo to hard carry the release schedule, which they couldn't really do
>And honestly a lot of the 1st party games weren't even that good. I was like 1/50,000 people to buy Star Fox 0 in it's release week in North America and yeah... it's alright but wasn't worth 80 maplebux
>But Nintendo barely put their games on sale so good luck buying any game on the system for cheap
>Core gimmick was "you don't have to use the TV :D" which doesn't appeal to anyone except gamer dads and literal children
>Literal children can't buy consoles, so their parents had no idea what the Wii 2 was and thought it was just a peripheral
>The core gimmick meant that you could only play the console for like 3 hours at a time before the tablet controller ran out of battery life
It was honestly just a clusterfuck of a system, I bought it for Smash 4 but then they put Smash 4 on the 3DS as well so no one cared. The main Mario game was fine but nothing special, the only Zelda game was a re-release of Windwaker (except BOTW which became a Switch launch title instead lamo) etc.

It's a shame it's region locked as I sometimes see a game for the system cheap here in Yurop, but because I was living in Canada at the time I'd have to go through the hassle of importing them from an NTSC country.

>>717800451
Are they the people calling snoys brown and calling le PC +Switch the white man's combination?

>>717801521
What about the increased brickability though? And there are probably a lot of low-info buyers who think it can't run Switch 1 games. Well meaning parents buying gifts, etc

>>717800686
>>717800758
Why isn't the Switch lying?

>>717801628
Nobody is buying switch 1 and retailers are not pushing it any longer. Anyone buying switch 1 is buying a used unit which Nintendo sees $0 from.

I own two ps2s and only 1 switch checkmate liberals

>>717801018
I wanna hear this guys opinion when another poll mentions the number of female gamers.

>>717800567
PC predicted this.

>>717799921 (OP)
Don't worry, when the Switch is about to overtake it I'm sure Sony is going to announce another 47 million PS2s sold.

>>717801673
because the switch didn't first release twenty-five years ago and didn't magically find ten million more systems when the playstation 2 was about to shatter its record holder status

>>717800689
Back then the cult was that big. Nowadays is way bigger, gaming like it or not is popular.

Reminder that Sony first raised the number of PS2s sold when the DS was getting close to it and then Sony raised it again when the Switch got close to that higher number

>>717800145
155 is a fucking fanfic number. The last "real" number was 148 and it was selling less than a half million every year when all of a sudden it suddenly started jumping up by millions to 153 when the DS got too inconveniently close? Then 155 million?
Then all of a sudden for no fucking reason a decade after they stopped manufacturing them they suddenly sold 160 million with no meaningful updates in the decade between, just because the Switch has never slowed down in spite of no price drops(and indeed, now a price increase)?

Nah, the Switch and the DS passed the real PS2 numbers a long ass time ago.

>>717799921 (OP)
>Gaming population has more than triple during the past 20 years
>Nintendo still struggling to match the ps2 numbers despite sacrificing one of their hardware lines to focus on a single one
Damn, was the playstation double really that powerful?

>>717801056
sony cared a lot seeing as they made up 5 million sales when the DS beat the PS2

>>717802049
The Switch is selling at a million a quarter pace. It can only be expected to slow down from here due to price hikes. Do you really think Switch can keep those numbers up for 2 1/2 years?

>>717802185
>gamer population more than triple during the PS2
>PS3, 4, and 5 all fail to even come anywhere close to the PS2
damn, no wonder sony is leaving the console market

>>717802238
>tendies most affected

>>717799921 (OP)
Sony's going to release a PS2-mini and count each sale as a PS2 sale.

>>717800689
I was in college when the WiiU came out and most of us thought it was just an upgrade not a new console.

>>717802363
That would be incredibly based.

>>717802363
>sony is going to release a
lol no

>>717799921 (OP)
Switch is just a copy of the PS2
It plays PS2 inspired games with PS2 inspired controls everything it does it owes to the PS2

>>717802310
I believe it all depends on how many Switch 1 consoles have been manufactured until now.

>>717802363
It still boggles my mind that the PS2 didn't come with a free copy of Fantavision.
What better way to demonstrate the power of the PS2?

>>717799921 (OP)
Ok now do per capita.

reminder that sony has always lied about their console sell number. They count ps portals as ps5 sales. Never trust sony when it comes to sales.

https://insider-gaming.com/playstation-portal-sales-console/
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2023/11/ps-portal-will-be-tracked-as-a-console-by-usa-data-firm-circana
https://n4g.com/news/2576242/playstation-portal-sales-will-be-tracked-as-a-console

>>717800689
Wiiu was unlucky. it was RIGHT before the big return to Nintendo a lot of millenials did after the nes classic and Pokémon go came out.

>>717803246
Why wouldn't PS portal count?

>>717800689
>anyone who likes things I don't like is LE CULT
snoy moment

>>717803446
because it's not a ps5

>>717803446
it's a peripheral to play games on your PS5, just like a controller but with a screen on it

>>717803446
Because it's an accessory, not a system

>>717803498
It plays PS5 games.

>>717803513
>>717803520
You can use the ps portal to play ps5 games independently thanks to cloud gaming. It's like saying the kingdom hearts switch ports don't count towards the series total copies sold.

>>717800689
>"It's crazy the tendie cult didn't save the wii u"
Have you thought that maybe just maybe people buy the switch because it's good?

>>717803617
Nah, it was because of the pandemic. Nintendo hit the jackpot by releasing a new console 2 years before the even that caused everyone to be confined withing their homes for a long period of time.

>>717803756
Yeah but that should have skyrocket the sales of PS4 and Xbone too. Yet it didn't.

>>717800689
People are retarded. There is even a retard responding to you that thinks the gimmick was that you didn’t have to use the tv.
The wii u was essentially a nintendo ds home console and I wish it took off because it would have allowed for a lot of nintendo ds unique games to easily transfer over to a home console in terms of concept. Games like twewy wouldnt have had to reinvent their concept in the wii u for example. Its honestly a real shame that hearsay and reviewers have this much power over the public opinion.

>>717803446
It's an accessory since it cannot play PS5 games but itself.

>>717800451
sup /leftypol/ you will never be an oldfag

>>717801403
>the handheld console who people buy to play handheld games is the same as the home console

>>717803851
Except it can?

>>717801612
>>717803858
>RePEDOcans spotted
You will never beat Nintendo

>>717803832
>i am very enlightened because uhhhhhhhh i love my DS experience that no games supported... why did no one buy one????????

>>717803894
People buy the Switch Lite to play Switch games. The PSP can't play PS2 games.

>>717799921 (OP)
doubly impressive since half of the people who bought ps2's only used it as a dvd player

>>717799921 (OP)
how many versions of the PS2 were there? too lazy to google. i remember us owning two different variations of both the PS2 and PS3

>>717803920
>Can the Playstation Portal play Playstation 5 games without owning a Playstation 5?
Yes — you can play some PS5 games on the PlayStation Portal without owning a PS5, but with important caveats:

>What You Can Do Without a PS5
• Thanks to a software update (beta), PlayStation Portal now allows cloud streaming of select PS5 games from Sony’s servers, meaning you don’t need a PS5 console to play them
• This feature is available to PlayStation Plus Premium subscribers, through the PlayStation Plus Game Catalog
• The current beta offers access to over 120 PS5 titles (some sources mention 200+) that you can stream at up to 1080p/60fps with full DualSense features like haptics and adaptive triggers
• From Reddit user experience:
“You won’t need a PS5 for the Portal at all.”
Reddit
“You just need a Portal, PS+Premium, and the PSapp on your phone. I don’t have a PS5 and that’s how I play.”

>What You Can't Do Without a PS5
• If you're looking to stream your own purchased or downloaded PS5 games, or games installed on a console, that still requires a PS5 for Remote Play
• Cloud streaming is limited to a curated list of titles within the PS Plus Game Catalog — standalone downloads or newer titles not included in the catalog won’t be accessible

>Final Note
So, yes, you can use PlayStation Portal without owning a PS5 — but only for the specific cloud-streamed games included in the PS Plus Premium catalog. If you want access to your full PS5 library or games not part of that catalog, you’ll still need a PS5.

---

Well, color me surprised, and that software update was recent, November20 2024 to be specific. So now it begs the question is a Playstation Portal would be considered a PS5 console even if it can't play all PS5 games and can only play them through cloud service. It's a similar scenario with the PSTV not being able to play all PSVita games.

>>717803615
the cloud is another service entirely.
does playing a gamepass game on my phone via cloud means that my phone is a xbox?

>>717804558
Ironic you mention that when Microsoft had the whole "This is an Xbox" campaign.

>>717799921 (OP)
it's amusing that ninjeets have some old ass console living rentfree in their heads

>>717804558
If your phone was made by microsoft, was literally branded as xbox and had the expressly purpose of playing games on it then sure yeah.

An extra 2 million unaccounted PS2s just flew over my house

>>717804550
>So now it begs the question is a Playstation Portal would be considered a PS5 console even if it can't play all PS5 games and can only play them through cloud service.
If that counts I guess every PC counts too

>>717802142
The price increase is US only due to the 15% tariffs so its going to be interesting how it impacts Switch sales. There's a chance the US will grind to a halt while it still sells fine in other territories that aren't seeing a price increase, but its also possible it'll kill US sales and thus stop the system from growing enough to reach Sony's magical PS2 number.

The PS2 absolutely did not sell 160m. The 155m number was taken after production and distribution was stopped. The only sales after that point would be whatever was left on shelves, but PS2 sales were already in the toilet so obviously there aren't 5 fucking million ps2s in Target somewhere. 155m is the final sales number, period.

>>717805173
>The PS2 absolutely did not sell 160m
Correct, it's 160.63M.

>>717800689
>it legitimately blows my mind that the wii u only sold 13 million
>that is unthinkable to me when looking at nintendo and their cult
>how do you fuck up this bad
The Wii sold to a lot of hyper casual players who don't give a single fuck about video games. They bought it because it was a fad, played Wii sports twice then threw it in the trash. For some reason Iwata decided to try to sell these people another console when they didn't even like the last one.

If they made a ps2 classic sorta of thing that has pre installed games would that count towards the total?

>>717799921 (OP)
ps2 can just keep revising the numbers upwards to always stay out of reach

>>717805068
And if that counts then Xbox can count PC sales because PC can use GamePass, or Nintendo can count PC sales PC can emulate Nintendo games. Hell, let's count smartphone sales as Nintendo games based on the amount of downloads Fire Emblem Heroes, Pokemon TCG Pocket and Animal Crossing Pocket Camp had.

It's just a worthless discussion akin to telling a kid in the playground "IF YOUR POWER IS INFINITE THEN MINE IS INFINITE +1". But we can all agree that all this argument comes from SIE being completely unwilling of providing real sales numbers because they'd rather keep their investors willfully ignorant. And as long as proof like this exists >>717800145 only a retard would ever believe their blatant lies.

>>717800689
>Confused the fuck out of normalfags with the name and reveal
>Made people look at them sideways with the initial price
>Didn't have an interesting enough gimmick
>Didn't have any system-selling games at launch
>What games were there both at launch and across the system's life only really interested the hardcore Nintendo fags who will buy anything with Wario in it
>The major 3D Mario title for the system was a sequel to 3D Land on the 3DS and felt more like a New Super Mario Bros game in 3D than a successor to 64, Sunshine, and Galaxy
>Kept promising they'd put out a new Zelda only to announce a new delay for it every 5 minutes for the next 3-4 years

>>717805356
>If they made a ps2 classic sorta of thing that has pre installed games would that count towards the total?
No one would buy it anyway. There are like 3 PS2 games that still hold up today and Sony wont get the license to any of them.

>>717800689
There's MAYBE like 1000-2000 autistic retards online that suck Nintendo's cock. Most people do not give enough of a fuck about this shit or corporate politics. Even more are just kids. Also it doesn't help that a lot of Nintendo hatefags are seething retards who are just as dumb as the cultish autistic weirdos.

>>717804550
>>717803920
Hmm well, I guess technically it is a console even if its just a shitty streaming tablet with a controller.

>>717805765
Well yeah, it doesn't have to be a good product to count, look at the switch lite.

>>717804408
it sure can
shit ton of games were both on psp and ps2

>>717804550
>nov 24
>recent
reposting bots or dumb shills? I call both

>>717807069
Switch Lite has Switch internals so it makes sense. PS Portal doesn't have any PS5 components besides the controller parts, so you can't use PS5 games on it like you can with Switch.

>>717809029
But you have to buy a PSP version. I don't have to buy a Switch Lite version to play a Switch game on a Switch Lite.

>>717809124
yet

>>717809163
Are you retarded? Did your mommy drop you on your head a few too many times?

>>717805159
I don't think Nintendo really cares about an arbitrary number vs making money.

The backcatalog is a benefit sure but their main priority right now is getting Switch 2s out there to build a sustainable mass and making sure people are buying games.

>>717809076
I was going to reply to him that he was wrong but I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and did the minimal amount of investigation through ChatGPT. Also, Nov 2024 is relatively early considering how old the PS5 is.

>>717809291
I'm sure Nintendo doesn't care about being number 1, but the Switch 1's US price raise was purely a result of the tariffs. They raised them by 15%, which is how much the Tariff is and they only did it for US and Canada. They also didn't raise games by 15% but that's more because over 80% of console game sales are now digital.

>>717801962
So the fact that the PS2 "found" 10 million units means that Nintendo is NOT lying about their sales?

>>717809586
Because the PS2 doing anything is not going to move Sony's stock price at all and a lot of those were sold in third world countries where all we can go off of is Sony's word. Nobody is going to waste time trying to scrutinize Sony's statements in a way that matters. Nobody is going to sue Sony about artificially inflated value for the PS2 in the 2020s.
The Switch is basically only sold in the developed world and while sunsetting, is still an actively supported console. That means that there are market trackers like Circana, CESA, GfK that would be able to corroborate if Nintendo suddenly announced that they just randomly sold ten million Switchs all of a sudden. Nintendo would actually see an immediate benefit if they announced at a shareholder meeting that demand for the Switch in 2025 was so high they sold ten million Switches in the same quarter the Switch 2 came out, and every regulatory and analyzing body would make sure that the numbers actually square.

>>717801521
>Who the fuck is buying a NEW Switch 1?
Hoarders. Note: Hoarders, NOT scalpers
Retarded parents who don't know any better and just want to get their kid(s) a Switch.
People who only care about the Switch 1's library but don't want to fork over $400+ for a Switch 2.
People who want an OLED screen instead of the Switch 2's LCD screen.
People who want a handheld that can somewhat fit in their pocket.

>>717809586
Sony has more incentive to lie about their own sales (impossibility of verification, world record, company's attempt to be "the Lamborghini of game consoles", the fact they've raised the counts arbitrarily before against the DS) than Nintendo does with fifty market trackers looking at them (smashing a record they potentially don't even care about since they've got more money than God now and they've ALWAYS been smarter than Playstation about where and how to allocate funding and in much lower amounts)

>>717801521
switch 2, to avoid being easily emulatable, made drastic changes to the underlying architecture in comparison to switch 1.
it is emulating switch 1 through an in house emulation and brute forcing it basically.
there are slight, but noticeable to veterans, differences to how switch 1 games behave between switch 1 and switch 2.

>>717810642
got examples?

>>717800451
>snoys
You mean xbots. Snoys try to pretend slop like TLOUP2 and Spiderman 2 is actually good.

Sony will launch a new version of the PS2 purely to pump sales numbers further

>>717811989
>implying xbots are still a thing
Reconfirming it's snoys

>>717811697
I dont own a switch 2

>>717812340
the funniest part is sony is pathetic enough to do something like that because that is all they have left
them releasing a PS2 again would be the the second ultimate "we give up and lost" right after them just announcing they plan to leave the console market

>>717812565
it's not going to happen

>>717809076
It’s always both. You’ve got bots trawling old tweets like it’s breaking news and shills parroting the same talking points like it’s still 2023 and NFT consoles were the future. At this point, the only thing more consistent than their posts are the timestamps-right on schedule every thread.

>>717799921 (OP)
It alteady passed ps2 numbers by years, Sony had to fake the numbers after 10 years after the stop of ps2 production

but actually how the fuck did the ps2 sell over 100 million in the 2000s

>>717813310
It sold about the same as the PS1 and then another 40 million in third world countries after the PS3 came out.

>>717801287
Holy shit you need to learn to read

>>717813363
Are the third worlders in the room with us now?

>>717813310
It was a DVD player
The real question is how the fuck did Switch sell this much

>>717800451
Xbox was the go to proto-chud console. Manlier games, meaner voicechats, etc. We trans-sisters used to play Spyro and whatnot on other consoles.

>>717813539
>actually has games
>incredible first year of support
>$300
>only MAJOR handheld on the market
>because it's a handheld, households are incentivized to own multiple units
>on the market for 8 years, with them only releasing it the time they did because of leaks or possibly tariffs

>>717803832
That piece of shit was never that good and the sales is just one of many indicators of that fact

>>717799921 (OP)
>shit console
>shit console
Imagine caring about this.

Reminder that Sony faked the PS3 numbers to make it look like not a complete fucking failure of a console by combining them with other hardware sales at the time, and that it never came anywhere even remotely close to outselling the 360, let alone the Wii.

how the hell did the switch sell that much?
Is the hybrid approach really that appealing?

>>717799921 (OP)
And Nintendo could have gotten there much sooner if they dropped the prices of Switches rather than increase the price.

>>717800145
They really did pull that number out of nowhere just to keep claiming PS2 is the best selling console kek. Reminds me of all the vote fraud going on every election cycle.

PS2 was still selling 3 years after the ps3 was alive.

Reminder than Sony counts a unit that was returned then resold again as two sales

>>717814595
More like 5.
That's the thing, though. It "only" sold 100 million before PS3 launched. You think it's reasonable that it did another 60 after PS3 came out? PS3 itself did 80 million in that timeframe

>>717810465
Its an old console, how do you appeal to your investors by saying you sold a lot from a console 3 generations ago?

>>717809925
Sony stopoed eeleasing sales numbers in 2012, why?