Thread 717826737

AI can do all sorts of thing now, but why isn't there a good realistic/playerlike AI bot yet?

its a lot of work to make bots realistically dumb&bad like players

>>717826737 (OP)
it would require actual skilled talent to implement.

modern devs are all DEI trash

>>717827561
If bots weren't omnipotent it would be easier.

>>717826737 (OP)
UT99 bots?

>>717826737 (OP)
for one, getting them to understand whats cover and what has a tiny hole theyll get killed through is a bitch i imagine

>>717826737 (OP)
>all sorts of thing
hallucinating somewhat plausible sounding texts or drawing people with mangled hands are not the skills you need for AI bot.
Now add the part where you'd need another 300GB data file created by training the bot and a beefy machine running the bot separately of your '''gaming rig''' because that potato wouldn't be able to run the AI without FPS dropping to SPF

>>717826737 (OP)
Because everytime an AI is too good for it's own good, the playtesters (all of them) HATE it.

>>717826737 (OP)
because the kind of AI that gets shilled endlessly is just making the most likely things from the training data and there is no good training data for video game ai

>>717826737 (OP)
The best RTS AI are literally made by people for free, whether it is Zero-k or Starcraft 2.

>>717829156
Every fucking time there's a discussion of AI in video games a retard shows up with the same shit "nuh-uh people hate smart bots".
Fuck off, retard. I won't even explain why you're retarded, you don't have the IQ to understand the original problem in the first place.

>>717826737 (OP)
Neural network based AI doesn't understand material it's working with, its just probabilistic chinese room.

>>717826737 (OP)
You mean like the Stalker games?

>>717829305
Zero-K and any Total Annihilation descendant have bad AI if you understand the fundementals of RTS. They build a lot of defenses uniformly around their base instead of at important locations. Their units are also badly positioned and tend to have a lot of them just wandering around in their base doing nothing for a long time. Starcraft 2's AI only competed with the top players by outmicroing them, and that needed a fancy neural network to do so.

>>717829682
Your admirable but helplessly futile effort to explain to retards inner workings of current batch of AIs falls flat because retards don't know what 'chinese room' refers to, nor they are willing to learn.
If they could be arsed to, they could learn about the AIs on their own but that will never happen.

>>717826737 (OP)
One of OpenAI's actual first big projects was a dota 2 bot team and it became extremely good with a 99%+ win rate while using only the visible game state for information. There was a public challenge to fight against it and it won almost every single game out of like 50k games. Hasn't really been any other news about it since then, and this was five or so years ago.

>>717829682
is that why it sucks at go, dota, chess, and starcraft 2?

>>717829682
>Neural network based AI doesn't understand material
Well, It doesn't have to. I'd be content if it could at least simulate acting as a human being in video games. What's the difference if you can't tell anyway? Just like in the chinese room.

>>717830945
well making a perfect computer opponent is easy, simply don't make any mistakes
take fighting game for example, modern fighting games has become too formulaic the cpu opponent simply needs to not do any unsafe move and puerly react to the player, it would never lose even without cheating or input reading
making them behave as players is a lot more difficult
i'd like to see them being more useful to fill in as players on massive playercount multiplayer games for example, without them easily distinguished as bots

>>717826737 (OP)
I could trust an AI to handle NPC pathfinding and navigation, there does seem to be untapped potential at making enemy patterns more sophisticated, but I'm much more interested in chatbots that can turn RPG dialog trees into full conversations, immersing the player into the world further.

>>717828974
Couldn't you just pre-generate conditionals-actions and store them in ye olde traditional nested array or something?
Even with thousands of conditionals and a couple of variations for each one of them should only take a handful of memory.

>>717826737 (OP)
absolutely grim that most RTS, 4x and GS AI is still dumb as shit and needs massive handicaps to provide a "challenge".
Playing these games offline and online is two entirely different things

>>717835024
unlike what genre?

>>717829851
Since Blizzard partnered with Google, anyone can write an AI for SC2 so some people wrote their own the standard C++ way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJrQzacYuzY

>>717829270
Feed it Twitch videos and teach it how to be human trash and beg for money at the same time.