Thread 717830125

Was he right? Is there really no such thing as half an a-press?

>>717830125 (OP)
He was CORRECT. He was not RIGHT.

Why are we still having this debate? I believe it was made clear that while you obviously can't half press a button, the term "half A press" is synonym of not letting it go and a reference to how you leave the A button's press state at the middle one.

An ABC run will never finish with a half a-press, there will be no such thing as "This run took 7.5 a-presses", therefore he's right.

>>717830651
>Recognizing a years old meme in the first place
Unc

Hes right in a semantic way, but thats because he didn't fully grasp the specific use case for this unique notation in the context of singular stars collected in the A button challenge.
Its shorthand to describe specific optimizations and he came around to understand it when sat down to have it explained.

>>717830125 (OP)
>he
erm...it's a she now, chud.

>>717830748
why would a woman call herself henry?

>>717830453
why not just say have the button held down? like any normal person would

>>717830748
/v/ so delusional they'll make up trans people to get angry about

>>717830871
Because speedrunners/challengerunners have to make their obsession seem more complex than it actually is.

>>717830871
People shorten terms in their specialties, it's what they do.
I can say 40k and you know exactly what i'm talking about despite removing almost every character

>>717831435
He kinda cute....

>>717830453
/v/fags just want to regurgitate the same topics on loop.

>>717831435
You'd have to be at least halfway down the tranny pipeline to put pronouns in your bio at all or use bluesky

He's a vt*ber fan nowadays

aaaaaaaa*enters thred while holding a*

>>717831435
bro... i would

>>717830125 (OP)
Yes.
For any reasonable person, if you place your finger and a button and push into it, you pressed it, the end.
How the controller interprets it as an electrical signal or how it relates to game logic is completely irrelevant to the physical action carried by the verb "to press".

>Released
>On_Press
>Pressed
>On_Release

"Half A-press" was a poor choice of phrase when the crux of the technique is applying input when the game isn't paying attention

I found an use for when "A" is released.
I am now beating the game in 0 B presses and I only keep getting stronger.

>>717830125 (OP)
It's physically not possible to half press a button
Can you half press your pc power button? Or a lightswitch? No you can't
It's either 0 or 1

>>717830125 (OP)
pannenkoek was right in that it was not a full press, since it didn't add to the total A presses in the run
but like >>717834573 said, the term "0.5 press" is misleading and Henry was right to call it out. pannenkoek should have called it "held A press" or something.

>>717830125 (OP)
"Half A press" means "doesn't necessitate a new A press, but doesn't work without having A already pressed".
Of course there's such a thing as half an A press.

>>717831435
based bluesky chad

>>717830456
what if im saving it from a previous run

>>717831435
cringe bluesky fag

pannenkoek is a "fake autist", you don't make up your own terms and rules when there's already established things to go from like >>717835135 says

>>717836362
>you don't make up your own terms and rules when there's already established things to go from
There was nothing established to go from. What are you talking about?
>but he should've just said A was held
From when, the start of the level? That's just an A press.

>>717836836
>press
and
>release
It's not a "half" press, it's a "release"

>>717830651
Fuck you pussy, pannen threads are still good for teh S O V L.

>>717830453
I guess anything is possible when you arbitrability change the definition of a word/phrase.

>>717836362
>pannenkoek is a "fake auti-ACK ACK ACK ACK AAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!

>>717830125 (OP)
He is, fundamentally, correct. There is no such thing as a half-press. The buttons on the N64 have two modes. On and off. They are either pressed or they are not pressed. If these were pressure sensitive buttons, we could start discussing the idea of a half-press. They aren't. So we won't.

The "half-press" is simply the button going from on (pressed) to off (not pressed.) When you're actually programming, this is something called a key release event. A key release event is not a "half-press", it's a release.

>>717830453
This is literally just fucking negative edge, jesus speedrunners are full of themselves

>>717836871
The "release" doesn't do anything and your solution doesn't fit the actual use case of the "half A press" notation.
The half press notation lets you use whatever method you were using to plan out whole-game run routes unchanged, any other solution requires you add new fields/formatting to your run planning.

>>717837186
le sigh.
WHAT PART OF "IT'S A SPECIFIC NOTATION FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHALLENGE" YOU DIDN'T GET???

>>717830125 (OP)
He's right, releasing the button after a press doesn't count as 'half a button press', since the action of pressing the button is already completed at that point.

>>717837335
It also doesn't count as a new button press, since as you said the button press action was already completed.

>>717837306
I understand it's part of your notation for this.
However, your notation is fucking retarded. There is no such thing as a half-press on a non-pressure sensitive button. It's a binary. The button is either at 1 (on (pressed)) or 0 (off (unpressed)). You are looking at a button being released - the exact opposite of it being pressed, and saying "that's half pressing a button."

>>717837513
No, but at most you can divide it into button press and button release

>>717837186
>>717837186
> "Watch for Rolling Rocks He is, fundamentally, correct. There is no such thing as a half-press. The buttons on the N64 have two modes. On and off. They are either pressed or they are not pressed. If these were pressure sensitive buttons, we could start discussing the idea of a half-press. They aren't. So we won't. The "half-press" is simply the button going from on (pressed) to off (not pressed.) When you're actually programming, this is something called a key release event. A key release event is not a "half-press", it's a release."
>"Mario Wings to the sky He is, fundamentally, correct. There is no such thing as a half-press. The buttons on the N64 have two modes. On and off. They are either pressed or they are not pressed. If these were pressure sensitive buttons, we could start discussing the idea of a half-press. They aren't. So we won't. The "half-press" is simply the button going from on (pressed) to off (not pressed.) When you're actually programming, this is something called a key release event. A key release event is not a "half-press", it's a release."

>>717833116
Tragic, but he's a touhou fag so not surprising.

>>717837587
And if you're counting the number of times the button was pressed, keeping it held doesn't increment that. But entering the level with the button held is necessary. In isolation, the level requires an A press, and in a whole run it does not. Hence. 0.5 A presses.

>>717837037
Fucking cute

>>717830871
Saying “one A-press but hold the button down the entire time afterward” is less catchy than saying “half an A-press”

>>717837592
And button releases aren't being counted in this run, only button presses.
The intent of the 0.5 is that it rounds down in a full game run and rounds up in individual routing.

>>717837037
Yes anon that's the EXACT kind of shit a fake autist would post online for attention.

>>717837878
It's called a button PRESS for a reason. What does letting go of a button have to do with applying PRESSURE.

>>717837994
>he's a fake autist because I don't approve of the exact way he applied his autism once
You don't need to compete with him to prove it anon, we believe you're autistic too.

>>717837587
You clearly don't actually get it.
Pressing A makes Mario jump, but I don't need him to jump in watch for rolling rocks, what I need are the altered characteristics that follow with the A button being held from actuation in a prior level. Saying A is pressed in watch for rolling rocks is sort of true, but it communicates that you may have actuated within the level, when you didn't.
>gurrhurr pressure sensitive button
The game he's specific functions for A not just pressed but =1 and that's what the half press notation is, half press notation works better than your retard solution because it is immediately clear to anyone familiar that it means its leeching an A press from a prior event in the game, while making use of the held action

>>717838101
Yeah, someone posting shit like that purely for attention is the fakest shit. Glad you get it anon.

>>717838093
Other buttons that aren't counted have different functions while A is held, so you can't immediately release it.

>>717838093
How about watch the fucking video

>>717838101
lmao

>>717838218
I don't get it because my autism aligns me with pannen. I can clearly see the issue he was faced with and why he chose the solution he did. I'm wondering why a "fellow" autist can't.

>>717838101
KEKAROOOOOOO!!!

>>717837994
I'm a low spec autist and I don't do any of that autistic shit. Does that mean I'm a fake autist?

>>717838386
>>717838445
Show proof of your diagnostic... surely you're not self-diagnosed right?

>>717838276
Ok, but what does that have to do with simply not calling it what it is: An A press.

>>717838508
No, I got diagnosed at a specialized clinic.

>>717838585
Let's play pretend, in Mario I need to complete 3 levels to beat the game.
In the first level I don't have to jump
In the second level I also don't have to jump but I need to use Mario's dive kick, only possible after jumping and holding A
In the third level I need to jump.
In a given run of this version of Mario, how many times am I pressing the A button if I play in the order level 3, level 2, level 1.

>>717838585
When you're tallying up how many times you have to press A in the entire game, you don't count a new A press every time you have to start a level with A held. You just hold the last A press of the previous level.

>>717838178
>You clearly don't actually get it.
I get it. You're the one who is using retarded annotation.
>Pressing A makes Mario jump
Again, technically correct. The event where in the 0 turns to a 1 is what causes Mario to jump. But it's important to understand that while the button is in the on position, it's still set to 1. The key is still being pressed.
>what I need are the altered characteristics that follow with the A button being held from actuation in a prior level.
I understand this. Here is a problem with your notation. If you are holding that button down, that button is currently being pressed. It's at 1.

>but it communicates that you may have actuated within the level, when you didn't.
Hey dumbass. You know those "altered characteristics" you're getting? You know how you're getting them?
BECAUSE THE BUTTON IS IN THE ON POSITION
MEANING IT IS BEING PRESSED

>>717837587
What you don't seem to get is that this is exactly why 0.5 was used: because it can be either ROUNDED UP or ROUNDED DOWN depending on the context.
Single Star run? You needed to press A. That 0.5 rounds up to 1. It was not done in 0 A presses. You pressed it.
Full game run? You did not need to press A an additional time during that star. In practice it rounds down to not add an additional press to the count. You did not press it.
The worst thing Pannen did was try to explain how it was literally half the process of pressing the button. It's just a number.

he stopped doing narrated videos for years because the memeing of the rolling rocks video made him suicidal, that sounds pretty autistic to me.

>>717838848
The point of the run is counting how many times the A button goes from 0 to 1. Entering the level with it already at 1 from a previous level does not increment this counter.

>>717838848
And yet the number of A PRESSES does not increment up BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY COUNTED PRIOR IN THE RUN

>>717830651
t. tj "henry" yoshi

>>717838765
If the button is pressed at the start of a level, it's counts as a button press, simple as.

>>717839071
>can't even answer the question
You're not half as autistic as you think you are, you're just dishonest

>>717839071
>hold A while starting level
>actually you pressed A twice because levels are magical separate instances and you can't count it like that
Holy fucking shit how can you not see this is more arbitrary than "half a press"?

>making up arbitrary rules for your challenges
This is not autism, this is just what kids do.

>>717839071
Why per level? Why not per frame? You're being arbitrary and retarded

>>717839261
>arbitrary rules
It's counting. It's just fucking counting how many times you need to press A. How can you not understand this?
>but I need to press A to have it held!

>>717830125 (OP)
Yes, he was right. Panen should have just it was a no jump run and clarified in the description the logistics of A presses and jumping in a full run instead of being a giga autist about it.

>>717839261
Pannen is retarded as shit, he's a grown adult who names his mechanical pencils and gives them personalities, and punishes them for "being bad"

>>717839429
That's the entire point, you can't "half-press" a button. You can press and release the button.

>>717839507
That's him LARPing as an autist to get a USP for himself.

>>717839556
>usp
You have to be autistic to buy a gun?

>>717830125 (OP)
just for the presses

>makes autistic M64 vids all day
>One finally goes viral
>Makes some money
>Parents push him to do more seeing as he is a grown man playing a 30 year old game all day and doing fuckall else
>Can't handle the fame
>Takes all videos down and says he will never do videos again
>Parents flip out at him
>Starts doing vids again with no commentary
>Nobody cares anymore because listening to him go on and on about M64 autism was his one talent

>>717830871
because it's standard notation for the run to keep things consistent retard

>>717839556
Watch for Rolling Rocks was 0 A presses in a full run and 1 A press as an individual star. Thus, for clarity, its count of A presses was listed as neither 1 nor 0.

>>717835135
>>717834573
when it came to reporting game-length A press totals it was simply easier to say x.5 presses instead of x-and-one-hold presses
just because he has to explain the terminology to the layman for his videos doesn't mean he would have to when he's actually talking to other people who are interested in the challenge

>>717830125 (OP)
Die, zoomie.

>an A press is an A press, you can't say it's only half
Your life is QPU misaligned, seek Christ and hyperspeed walk with Him

>>717839718
He's started doing voices again.

>>717839718
Not only does he do voices he's also been working on his video editing skills in general and does the whole supporter events at the end of his videos. Dude is full youtuber mode now.

>>717830125 (OP)
The real question should be why did the faggot he was complaining about think holding down the A button versus letting it go? it does the exact same thing. fucking retarded. just wanted to be special and claim a category when he didn't do anything different. the yoshi faggot was right to bitch.

>>717830125 (OP)
"Half an A press" is just a convention. Just like in math they say 0^0 = 1.

The level was beaten with half a press. That half press was part of a full press that started before the level. Saying you beat the level with half a press is a useful way of noting it down if you're autistic enough to care about this.

>>717837306
>>717837747
there's no point to holding it down.

>>717841402
It's because it makes a difference in the context of a full playthrough of the game.
If you're able to use the held A press from a previous level then you can cut down on the A presses from the current level in a full playthrough.
Noting that specific level as having used half an A-press acknowledges that when you are doing this level on its own, yes you do need to count a full press, but in a full playthrough it won't add a full press to the overall count.

So no, TJ "Henry" Yoshi was just not understanding why the distinction matters.

>>717841864
Untrue.

>>717841864
retard

>>717830125 (OP)
Speedrunning autists/trannies hate him for telling the truth. Many such cases.

>>717830125 (OP)
>the same garbage replies of people baiting or actually getting uppity that ABC invented the term "Half-A Press"
you fucking faggots are supposed to be LESS GAY than OP, not match him
>>717835135
you're literally retarded and fake and gay at the same time

>>717842469
You, me, freak off in 10.

>>717830337
there's no such thing as being half-right

>>717842587
You can go freak yourself all your want, be sure to make it as loud and dumb as possible so everyone can gather around and take videos so I can laugh at it later

>>717836910
>>717839657
Scuttlebug Jamboree *W H E N*

>>717843120
Anon.....did you not get the invite?
https://youtu.be/AcOosKcsd7o?si=VwjX5EHA7T0S-mr7

>>717841402
Have you ever played a Mario game? Holding A lets you jump higher when bouncing off enemies and hover in the air when you have the flight-related powerup (except in some games where you had to mash A instead). So in Mario 64, holding the button let you get extra height/distance in some key locations, especially in the A Button Challenge where you want to limit the amount of times you press it in the first place. So if a star can be gotten with the bounce height/hover distance instead of needing an entirely new jump, it's possible to hold A when you pressed it a previous time so you don't need to press it again. Ideally you wouldn't need to press it at all in a challenge like that, so ironically the "half press" is itself something they want to eventually be rid of.

>>717843552
and they did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFx7woWkZbc

>>717844146
Isn't this how everyone be@ts the level?

>>717844510
Well, NOW it is.

>>717830125 (OP)
He was unironically right. Panenno can't just take the term "press" and re-define the word to fit his intentions. When you "press" something it's pressed. End of story. The A button resetting into place has nothing do with the the fact that the button had already been pressed. You can't half press on the controller. It's just not possible.

Now go ahead and reply to me with >tj """"""henry"""""" yoshi.

>>717844898
Yes, @nd Half-@ press is just the term to note the @ button could be pressed in the previous level then held down to reduce the number of times it needed to be pressed in the current level. You still pressed it once, nobody disputes th@t.