Thread 717831478

The reality is that learning japanese for games is overrated. There is no new peak gaming experience untranslated.

>>717831478 (OP)
If you're not playing porno games, maybe.

you can play old games

It's not about reaching a peak, it's about escaping a valley

>>717831478 (OP)
Yes, please stay away.

Why do Americans refuse to learn another language so badly? It's not that hard.

It looks like you never heard of Ayanami Raising Project

>>717833573
It is. There's merit to learning it, but let's not kid ourselves.

>>717833573
Because everyone speaks English. We don't really need to learn another language.

>>717833674
the only realistic opinion here

>>717833769
burger?

There are several games I want to play that aren't translated, and I want to play them in their original language, so I'm learning it. I still struggle with grammer though, but I'll get there.
頑張る!

half of their games never release in english though?

>>717831478 (OP)
how did you get a picture of my asshole

>>717831478 (OP)
Swordcraft Story Monogatari is still untranslated.

>>717833573
>It's not that hard
Literally nobody on 4chan knows enough Japanese to read a newspaper. Some people just read VNs with a dictionary and pretend they know Japanese
Me, I played a bunch of retro games in Japanese but I'm not delusional enough to think that clearing FF7 in Japanese makes me proficient in the language

>>717834869
>Some people just read VNs with a dictionary and pretend they know Japanese
Some people just do the thing everyone recommends for learning a new language? Oh my god holy fucking shit.

>>717833881
>burger?
yes

>>717834869
You think japanese know english well because they can play call of duty in english too??
Japanese is difficult for americans and european just the same way english is difficult for chinese and japanese people because they are very different.
>>717831478 (OP)
Try GERMS 狙われた町, it is considered to be GTA 3 's ancestor by japanese retrogamers.

>>717835149
Games rich in text that can be slowly read at your own pace are ideal for learning anyway

>>717833881
You can't order food on 4chan

>>717833573
if you're going to bother you should probably be learning spanish or mandarin, learning japanese just to consoom untranslated pc engine lewd games is fine but thats a lot of effort to put into basically a dead end of a language use case wise.

>>717836202
>put into basically a dead end of a language use case wise
This entirely depends on the learner. You can't make a guess as to whether a random anon will benefit from learning a new language.

>>717833573
>Japanese
>not that hard
yeah ok, just because you did duolingo for a day doesn't make you an expert.

>>717831478 (OP)
It's for the best.
When you learn japanese you become aware of how creative localizers are. They often take a terrible script and rewrite it to not only fit the global culture, but be a better story overall.

>>717836202
>If you are going to bother learning a language to consume the things you are interested in, you better not to that and learn a language you couldn't give less of a fuck about
wow anon you make a great point

>>717831478 (OP)
I'm fluent in moon. The best part isn't playing untranslated stuff, it's playing translated stuff and not having to deal with a shitty translation.

Isn't there literally a right wing magalike movement happening in Japan right now that wants you foreigners to fuck back off out of their country and culture?

>>717836981
>t. eop

>>717837381
yes, weebchuds on here don't ever want to accept that japs hate them and they would never EVER be welcome in japan lmao

>>717837381
https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx8etboBLGAsfvq2-prEqu9lxykHDNS0Rp

>>717837381
Literally every country has a more conservative, isolationists sentiments. Getting told to get out is a thing you expect to happen.

>>717837563
There are a lot of really bad translations so, so you are missing out if you only play untranslated stuff. Which is a sin on the part of translators.

>>717837563
Nope. I've also done fan and paid TLs so I know how bad things are.

>>717833573
most languages are easy, but not Japanese. Lesrning something like Italian or German doesn't require you to learn 3 completely new scripts, one of which has 10k+ characters, and at least 3 distinct different context sensitive dialects

I agree that Americans need to do more to learn other languages though

>>717831478 (OP)
>There is no new peak gaming experience untranslated.
Maybe learn English before sharing your opinion on learning foreign languages.

>>717831478 (OP)
>There is no new peak gaming experience untranslated.
Wrong

>>717837976
Like 20% edited or something. How does manga gamer disappoint this hard.2022 would've a meme suggestion back when the game released.

>>717834027
頑張れ anon. I wish I'm living alone again so I have tons of free time to do shit
>>717836757
You don't need to be an expert if you just want to play vidya and read VNs

anons here unironically believe that learning a language properly to a native level doesn't take a whole fucking decade
>yes bro just learn the language bro
you will be stuck in the most basic mundane, I can't even convey myself as I want level, just have fun being stuck at a worse level than a middleschooler

>>717831478 (OP)
Learning Japanese is fun and it gives me something to do other than play video games all day

>>717831478 (OP)
>learn japanese
>amerimutts are automatically filtered from interacting in discussions of untranslated games

>>717838786
if you never lived in japan for longer than a year you will never be fluent
most likely even understand many aspects of the language wrong

>>717838649
1. You don't need to be at a native level to get a benefit from learning a language
2. A decade is not a long time in the grand scheme of things

There's no point of learning a language of a country I'll never go. Translation apps are enough.

>>717838786
americans live rent free in your head

>>717838649
Joke's on you. I went to grad school in Japan and lived there for a while so I actually got good.

>>717838684
>learns Japanese by playing video games in Japanese all day

I only wanted to learn japanese in the 2010 to play Trails games. Now I've played them and realized how shit the writing is and how overrated trash untranslated games are, so I have zero interest in going further.

>>717838952
Currently I'm playing ぼくなつ, one day in-game for each day of this month.

>>717831478 (OP)
>There is no new peak gaming experience untranslated
>Rance X
Also half the translations that come out for games are extremely ass, you notice it more and more as you learn nip

>>717839120
>first word
already teaching you hentai fundamentals

Why so many people pretend to be japanese or know japanese on the internet.

>>717838915
>lived there for 2 years
>still shit
Man, it should've been my happy-go-lucky highschool year self that went there

I don't even immerse im just an ankislave. Im learning n2 words but i can't even read a n5 sentence.

>>717831478 (OP)
Japanese games specifically aren't translated, they're localized for a modern audience.

>>717839226
For what purpose

>>717839201
it's not actually that common, they're just like vegans in that they love to proselytize at every opportunity

>>717838875
I have never been to america yet i can mantain an actual conversation with any amerimutt without any problem, because i spend a lot of time consuming media and even talking to those mutts(like im doing now)

>>717839223
Fucking how? I took grad level classes for my first 2 years there and only one gave me trouble because the professor was insane and rambled about Buddhism during lectures on biostatistics.

>>717839223
you can't magically learn to a good level in 2 years if you went there with 0 knowledge
if you were an intermediate level you would be fluent within 1-2 years, in this case however you would be a I can say some shit very well but I lack the vocabulary and advanced grammar shit to talk properly
I bet you are just ok though, would be fine talking half english half japanese whatever that helps
sucks that no jap knows english more than very very basics

>>717839120
i wanna あの子のマンコに中出ししたいｲｲｲｲｲうううううううぉｵｵｵｵおおお!!!!セクスセクスセクスセクスセクスセクスセクスセクスセクス!!!!!!ｳﾝｺ

>>717839338
key difference between japanese and english
japanese daily talks are different than what you see in media
learning english to a native level is very much so possible and done by an insane amount of people through simply being on the net

>>717836202
>Learning a language for the most soulless purpose ever
How fun kysing yourself half-way in. The only way you should learn a language is if you have interest in the media/opportunities it allows you.

>>717839398
分かる

>>717831478 (OP)
Japanese is actually really easy to learn. If you're against "muh censorship" it becomes inevitable to learn it

>>717833573
I sure hope you're not below America...

>>717837381
What's the problem? I want to consoom Japanese media not live there, if a party over there rejects foreigners and remains Japanese then that is a win-win for me. I know first hand how the brown tide ruins a once high trust society.

>>717839464
>japanese daily talks are different than what you see in media
You mean the same thing as in english? the average american don't talk like a character from the avengers or most hollywood movies, they talk in the most retarded way possible always making sure they break most english rules in the process, in fact, americans nowadays no matter the race already speak in ebonics, as if they were black.

What i want to say is that fuck americans thats all i wanted to say.

>>717839464
>japanese daily talks are different than what you see in media
The media is made by Japanese people. And consumed by Japanese. When people say don't mimic anime they mean don't talk like fucking Goku. It's in the same way that you wouldn't mimic the Hulk. It's not a difficult thing to parse.

>>717839583
There is no way this makes a distinction with a burger born in the US and an immigrant.
>"Ah yes our millions of spics, blacks, and chinks speak a second language so that means the US is bilingual :^)"

>>717839583
What I get from this is that despite all the shit flung at America over languages learning a bunch is a northern European thing. Funnily enough the Japanese themselves are complete ass at learning other languages, worse than almost anyone.

>>717839360
Too busy doing part-time and being nervous
>>717839384
I went there at N5 level. It was kinda rough but immersion really helps you catch stuff quick
Although I ended up fumbling my words when I talked with a Japanese dude a year after I went back home

>>717839583
The Italians surprise me the French don't

>>717839285
>And I...

>>717839862
Britain is loaded with immigrants too, and fresh over the border spics never learn shit.

>>717839583
Reminder that only idiots brag about speaking their native tongue and then another language with shared roots. If you can't speak multiple languages from different families, you're no better than monolinguals.

>>717839901
>Too busy doing part-time and being nervous
Did you just not talk to people? I went already knowing a decent but from self-study and from talking to language learning friends on Skype, and after I moved there it didn't take long to "really" learn how to speak and understand like a native.

>>717839896
>Funnily enough the Japanese themselves are complete ass at learning other languages, worse than almost anyone.
Blame dubbing and cultural isolation. Japs have 0 necessity to learn English since they are pretty much self-contained already.
Try being a snow nigger and realize that not even 1% of shit you want to play or watch gets translated. It was English or get left in the dust.

>>717839954
Honestly really common. When the official is already really bad. People don't put as much effort into the more accurate translation. Because it's mainly for demonstration.

>>717839178
August is hentai?

>>717840338
they don't call it the 梅雨 for nothing

>>717840338
Yeah that's why it's the season of love

Sure. Even VNs are pretty garbage these days. LNs are still great, though.

>>717840180
Tried to but most of the time I either had a hard time conveying what exactly I want to say or just decided not to
I'm still trying to fix this part of me even to this day but it's an uphill battle it's even harder when people in my house drained every single drop of my energy to socialize

>>717840726
>had a hard time conveying what exactly I want to say
Yes, that's how learning works. Then when you get the general idea across, you ask the person you're talking to how they'd express that idea. That's how you learn to speak naturally.

>>717840709
>recognize and understand all the words individually
>still no clue what's being said

>>717840873
Just saying everything isn't as easy as 123 when I got cold sweat just thinking of a response to people's question

>>717836202
Nigger, you're on 4chan/v/. Like 80% of all GOOD videogames are Japanese. Even if Japan was nuked off the face of the Earth tomorrow, it'd still be worth learning if only for the games already out there. Not to mention anime, manga, doujinshi, etc.

>>717838610
What if I'm learning moonrunes to visit japan? It's still a bitch of a language. I talked to a old coworker who's grandparents were japanese so he only spoke it. When I asked him why does three woman kanji means rape, he couldn't give me a legitimate answer.

>>717841162
Yeah I can't help you with that. I dove in head first for all aspects of life there and it was awesome. Until Covid shut the country off for 3 years.

>>717841354
Sure, still doesn't mean you need to be an expert just to ask and understand what's the recommended menu in a restaurant and how do you get to X destination

>>717841405
My highschool-year self would probably had much better experience just like you did

>>717840709
>ゐ
stopped reading

>>717831478 (OP)
>The reality is that learning japanese for games is overrated. There is no new peak gaming experience untranslated.
It's never been more pointless to learn for playing games than it is now.
OCR and machine translations now are as good as a mediocre person doing it if you are using the latest up to date stuff.
Companies are already shifting over to using LLMs for official translations and most people do not notice unless a bunch of seething artists start screeching over losing their jobs. The same artists will also post shit translations and say they are machine translated to try to scare normies from using them, or they will compare with google translate which is also shit in comparison. You can check the accuracy yourself now by translating direct in chatgpt.
I've had jap VNs sitting around for over a decade I could never get a decent translation out of with older tools and now I can play them easily.

They are good enough for most people right now if you aren't just looking for nitpicks to seethe over (most overestimate the accuracy of fan-translation). Within 5 years they will be better than 99% of translators and will be used by all the companies anyway.
If you run them yourself you can also tweak the prompts to remove censorship or control how literal you want them to be and you aren't limited to Japanese you can just as easily use any other language.

>>717831478 (OP)
It's not worth it for the games themselves because the best games don't rely on words. It's not worth it for navigating the japanese internet and finding out which games are best either because generally they have shit tastes. But if you're already consuming large amounts of translated japanese content you might as well learn the basics and make progress in the language while you're at it

>>717839583
Most of the US percentage comes from Hispanics. If you just counted whites the number would be a lot lower

I wish the original 2chan was still a thing. I could browse there to have Japanese to read instead of only here

>>717841887
AI is a good replacement for translators, but English is not a good replacement for Japanese. There's a lot out there that can never truly be translated.

>>717842407
The reality is that the notion that two arbitrary languages can be "trannylated" is a meme

>>717839896
The truth of it is that people who live in the first world countries that matter, US, Japan, France, generally don't need to be bilingual and stats reflect it. These people are (relatively) rich, they have rich culture, they have active online communities, active localization scenes that spoonfeeds them translated media, all their needs are fulfilled locally.

About 30 years ago, nobody gave a damn about Japanese language or culture. There’s still no need to learn it now.

>>717843821
>US
>rich culture

>>717843821
>Japan
>rich
if it weren't for their pride(hiding their blemish) they would have crashed a long time ago.

>>717844040
The interest in it peaked in the 00s or 10s and is dipping again

i mean yea it does seem really autistic to learn japanese to consoom products and nothing else.

>>717839201
Like how everyone on /fit/ is somehow 35 but looks 20 and pulls zoomer chicks