Thread 717862489

New Game Plus is a bad mechanic

New game minus is a good mechanic

>>717862489 (OP)
>NOOOO DONT MAKE ME KEEP PLAYING THE GAME I LIKE... LET ME JUST GET MY CHEEVO AND MOVE ON

>>717862489 (OP)

Retard

Ng+ is a fine thing for the weirdos that want to play the same game forever.
Just don't lock anything behind it.

>>717862489 (OP)
>new content is minor stat boosts and cosmetics

>Good NG+: No extra content unlocks, either you get to clown on the game with all the super badass gear you got on your first playthrough or the game gets harder
>Bad NG+: Mandatory to see all the content and get the perfect ending

Missable content makes games better.

but most games with NG+ have 100% of the content on normal game

>>717862819
>/v/ literally saying the stupid victory lap mode is better than something that gives a little extra to change it up
its like u have the worst opinions on purpose

>>717862489 (OP)
what game is #2?

>>717862769
You don’t need to introduce yourself before you post here, sport.

Content being locked behind NG+ is like content being locked behind DLC except instead of paying with money you pay with your time.

Games with NG+ almost never have more than maybe 5% of content locked behind it, and even that's only if you count maybe a few new weapons or outfits as content. New areas, quests, characters, mechanics, etc. usually aren't present.
An ostensibly disingenuous image.

>>717862489 (OP)
yea. this is why nier automata sucks so bad

>>717863053
Truth. This is why I'm glad DLC replaced unlocks. Don't make me have to do a shitty "challenge" just to get the content.

>>717862791
Do you also complain about completion rewards like the bandana in MGS or rocket launcher in RE?

Pikmin^2 has a randomizer with many options as a NG+, and I think more games should do that. Introduces a ton of replayability without needing much if any new content.

>>717862489 (OP)
I don't think I've ever played a game where 60% of the content was locked behind NG+. Usually you get a few bonus items and can select a different ending.

>>717862915
>that gives a little extra
He's talking about shit like the Nier games, not just tiny rewards

>>717862697
if your game is good, it doesn't need time gates to incentivize replaying. ng+, daily quests, grinding, etc. are all signs of an unfun game.

Is this a dark souls 2 thread?

>>717863668
yea i wish rpgs would just give me the strongest loot at the start. why the hell do they time gate that shit

>>717863038
Tweak the numbers a little and it's Armored Core VI

>>717863798
No, it's a Wuchang thread

ratchet and clank does it best

>>717863038
SaGa Emerald beyond, except the numbers are inverted.

>>717862697
If a game is good, I'll want to replay it regardless. Making someone beat the game twice to experience all of the content is NES-era bullshit

>>717862489 (OP)
ftfy

>game is really easy
>you have to beat the game first to unlock the actually challenging difficulty

>>717864630
I fucking hate that. At the very least they better make a cheat code or something that lets you unlock it early.

>>717862489 (OP)
NG+ is a good mechanic if the game is designed for it with choice and consequence, then you do you first fresh run and then NG+ to do the other mutually exclusive choices. MMBN4 (which is basically literally your pic) was not doing it right.

>>717863105
its quite obvious that "the ending" is not an ending you fucking retard. its a quirky storytelling gimmick.so you can see the story from a different point of view. Not to mention that it also continues PAST the "ending"

>>717864127
Star Fox 64 requires three playthroughs at minimum and is one of the greatest games of all time

>>717864916
Didn't revengence have that?

>>717864630
>game is shit
>game is still shit but now fights last longer cause HP is bloated to no end

>>717862489 (OP)
The only games where NG+ works this way are NieR and roguelites.

>>717862697
>I LIKE
I didn't like Automata but I still wanted to see the full story. NG+ should ONLY be for people who love the game not for people who want to see the flipping ending

>>717862489 (OP)
>games with multiple new game plus modes
so literally just souls slop then?

>>717866652
Nah a lot of games lock playable characters or new mechanics behind NG+, older games especially

>>717865670
yup. konami code on title screen unlocks everything

>>717862819
agreed
but I did kind of enjoy AC6's 3rd loop true ending. there was a good mix of stomping with better gear and getting to play new missions.

>>717866837
Only like 2% of the total game's content, not 60%.

>>717862489 (OP)
NG+ doesn't normally lock certain portions of the game off, and even if it does odds are the game is short enough for it to not be a big deal. Any issues you might have with NG+ is more down to how the devs implement it than the concept of NG+ itself.

>>717866762
It's not even an ng+ anyway. you are playing as other characters doing different things.

>>717866762
>i dont like this game but im going to keep playing it
story fags be like

>>717866792
souls ng+ are worthless and dont change anything. you just play through the same game with your max level character. but i guess to know that you would have had to have played one

>>717866762
Games should be for people who want to play them. People like you can go to youtube.

>>717867025
i didnt even look at the picture fully i just saw NG+1 2 and 3 and immediately thought of souls shit

>>717867025
2 actually did change things but as with a lot of things regarding 2, they dropped doing anything interesting with NG+ in 3.

>>717864630
It wasn't challenging anyways. Final Fantasy mode that is, the game is kind of piss easy especially on NG+ since you have all the abilities unlocked and can just kill everything spamming whatever combo does the most DPS, I remember getting the right cooldown such that I could almost always be using a special ability that makes you invulnerable while using, it was pretty abusive.

>>717866762
>makes game with chapters
>calls it NG+
>this is sufficient to trick the average 2b gooner
honestly not surprising

>>717867234
I beat the game, I'm moving on.

>>717867234
The thing is that Nier Automata has 3 playthroughs; A and B are the exact same thing but you play as 2B and 9S respectively, and only playthrough C adds a new chapter that continues the story.

>>717862489 (OP)
The problem is gating things like difficulty modes behind repeated playthroughs or New Game +.
Forcing everybody to sit through a tutorial version of the game before allowing them to access the "real" game is objectively poor design. If a dumbass wants to play a game on the highest difficulty the first time without bothering to learn how the game works, then they deserve to suffer. But there is no reason to punish skilled players with pointless time wasting gameplay just so they can play the game how it was intended.

>>717862489 (OP)
Image made by someone who has never done a NG+ run in his life and feels a strange need to justify that.

>>717867598
OP's story is a sad one
>plays battle network 4
>plays no other games with a NG+ system ever and thinks it's what they're all like

>>717867707
tales of the abyss?

I love the idea of new game +, but when it changes things in subtle but significant ways. Like, you're playing the level and you don't notice anything much different, until a fucking boss appears in an area where there was nothing before, that kind of thing.

If I can just replay the game with all of my upgrades and unlocks let me do that. Don't add new content unless you're just making it harder

>>717864035
Came here to post this. Everytime I replay the PS2 and PS3 games I tell myself that I'm only gonna do one playthrough but always end up doing an NG+ run. It's just too fun.

>>717867758
And Vesperia.

>>717862915
>>717862819
I like it when devs put extra shit in ng+
You just KNOW it’s all the jank that was unpopular with playtesters. It’s fine to miss it because it’s bad

>>717863936
wuchang has nothing behind ng+ that you cant access in ng