Anyone else feel like nintendo is starting to have the same conformity problem they had during the wii/wii u era, just with making things more open instead of making things 2d?

So, what bad news is coming for PlayStation? Or are you still seething about them going third-party?

>>717866230 (OP)
2d era is long gone, grandpa, deal with it or just die already

>>717866230 (OP)
it's obviously not a problem since the games are very well received

Yes, it's getting tiring how many of their game franchises are now becoming centered around more openness and doing a lot of little bite tasks. A combination of the open world meme and making it suitable for the Switch with short gaming sessions.

>>717866350
Sony first party has been shit for so long it's no longer relevant enough to talk about. It's like saying Sonic is mediocre when that's been a thing for the last 2 decades, it's not news.

>>717866230 (OP)
Nope

>>717869205
I gotta wonder when it’ll end and what they’ll do afterwards.

>>717866350
from random world news there's both the executive order to stop debanking and over in yuroland the UK protests over 1984 laws being applied and 8 yuro countries flat out being against the kike plan to take over gaza, also the japanese lawsuits over payment processor censorship
no clue if this applies or if he only gets vidya related insider news

Since zelda started this, it’ll probably also be the one to kill it

>>717869205
>and making it suitable for the Switch with short gaming sessions.
That's just how the golden era of gaming worked in general.
I'm going on a retro vidya trip and I'm fucking surprised at how much vidya was to be designed not exactly around short sessions, but having very few time between exit points, which is making visiting PS1 and PS2 era vidya again feel weird when said PS1 games feel perfect on the vita for short gaming sessions.
>Racing vidya has races take 10 minutes tops.
>Platforman like crash has stages take 5-15 mins depending on how shit you're at the game.
>Collectathons like spyro have constant save points.
>The adventure pacman games have stages that takes 20 minutes tops.
>Musouslop has stages that can take 20-30 minutes but has a feature to fast resume and fast save.
>Fightan games have sets take 5 minutes tops.
>Metroidvanias like SOTN have constant save points barely 3 minutes apart on average.
>JRPGs have relatively sparse save points at 15-30 mins per save point but some also have the fast save and resume feature.
I think the only exception is the original RE trilogy but even then that's because crapcom explicitly designed the game around sparse saving with the tape shit, and also because it's a "mature" game so you were probably expected to play it on long night sessions on the weekends while your piss kids were asleep.
Also the megaman games which have 30-40 minute stages if you are shit at the games, but if you're halfway decent it's still only 15-20 min sessions if not less.

>>717870310
if you want to split hairs, technically odyssey started it by going full metroidvania compared to a far more compact stages layout with a central hub from M64, and then zelda was the one to be full open world

>>717866230 (OP)
Worse. I feel like Nintendo started going downhill 20 years ago and they are now by far the worst they've ever been.

no one wants to play shitty crash bandicoot style corridor "precision" platformers, sorry faggots

>>717871013
i mean, some people do, it just so happens those people explicitly want crash back for it and not some random scrimblo

>>717870941
Botw came before odyssey

>>717871219
i stand corrected then

>>717870941
>technically odyssey started it by going full metroidvania
how do you people manage to stay alive while being so unfathomably stupid

Now that I think about it, botw is kind of the nsmb of zelda. Both were made to go back to the series’ roots and both effectively became the series’ identity for a decade, alienating fans of the later games. I’m already seeing botw fatigue like I did for nsmb

>>717871642
>I’m already seeing botw fatigue like I did for nsmb
Not exactly nintendo's fault when they only released 2 games on that format (and a third was closer to older 2d zelda than botw).
Blame the gorillion botw gachaslop clones instead like genshit and the horde of bandwagoners it created.

there is no "botw fatigue"

this board continues to be delusional

>>717871959
Two games that use the same map and also two warrior spinoffs tied to them

>>717872119
>Two games that use the same map
more like share 1/3 of the map
>also two warrior spinoffs tied to them
people have had musouslop fatigue since the ps2

>>717866230 (OP)
I think they don't have a vision of where to go next so they are relying too much on rehashes and remasters. Switch 2 doesn't have a new gimmicks and they take too long to make new games. This also happened during the GC and Wii U eras.

>>717866350
The collapse of Sony's live service project is an ongoing debacle but they aren't doing bad per se. Not sure what their plan is with porting everything to PC tho, their main source of revenue is still PSN and they don't have a way to monetize that on PC.

>>717872242
And I had botw fatigue five hours in. Fuck this slop.

Bananza is literally one of the best things Nintendo has ever fucking made
this board is completely delusional

>>717870306
>the UK protests over 1984 laws being applied
The UK is doomed the best outcome would for the country to be nuked back to the stone age.

Considering they released a new 2D Mario 2 years ago, no.

>>717872431
>and they take too long to make new games.
They are releasing something new each month bruh.

>>717872578
Tropical freeze was also fucking great, that doesn’t mean people never got tired of Nintendo constantly putting out 2d games

>>717872569
I don't get how someone could be bored with BotW. I got bored with OoT and struggled to finish it but loved BotW most of the way through. Is this just a brainrot thing? I feel like most people with fried dopamine receptors need linear games that just usher them from one checkpoint to the next since they can't form their own thoughts, while normal functioning people enjoy open world games because they can still think for themselves and haven't been burned from youtube and twitch addiction.

Any Anons who prefer linear games here want to chime in with how hard it is for them to sit down and actually play games VS how often they just watch youtube or twitch? I'm curious what the overlap is.

>>717866230 (OP)
This always was, is, and will always be the goal for any company. Get as many consumers as you can, create an influence on the market where no one can easily challenge you, then go full draconian. This is the one thing communists are right about, blatant consumerist capitalistic greed. It's always good up until the point where any group with too much wealth and influence starts to assert their control. We're past the goldilocks zone now and in full authoritarian realm.

>>717872772
>while normal functioning people enjoy open world games because they can still think for themselves and haven't been burned from youtube and twitch addiction.
Japanese open world games you mean.
Both westoid and chinkoid/gooky open world games are the exact same dopamine overdose shit you describe.

>>717872672
They delayed the console release for half a year to be able to do that. Mario Kart 8 came out 10 years ago, Bananaza took 8 years to make, Metroid Prime 4 was in development hell for many years, Tears of the Kingdom took 5 years and the next Zelda is probably take even longer. This is an universal problem for AAA development.

>>717872772
BOTW is great the first 12 hours then the rest feels fairly repetitive.

>>717872905
>already ignoring all the stuff they released like the mario rpgs, EoW, splatoon, the mario partys, etc
must be hard being a snoy

>>717869205
Works on my Switch

>>717872578
I basically hear nothing about Bananza unless I come here.

>>717872686
3d games are objectively better than 2d
the 3d games Nintendo have been releasing are some of the best they've ever done
this is a false equivalence

>>717872772
>he cannot watch YouTube while playing games

>>717872578
>this board is completely delusional
it's insane how they never change their tune no matter how many times reality btfo them

at some point you've got to wonder if those are legitimate mental asylum patients that use their allotted time on the internet to shit up /v/

>>717872431
I’d presentation will probably be the thing Nintendo will focus on after their open phase, seeing the reactions wonder and Astro bot had and the nostalgia for stuff like galaxy and twilight princess, I think they’ll be focusing on more tightly focused and cinematic games. That sounds gay and completely unlike Nintendo but so did botw when I first saw it.

>>717873015
Maybe you should go back

>>717872991
>mario rpgs
You mean the remasters?

>>717873057
>Unironically watching the sheer sludge slop of nothingness that is modern youtube.
At least say anime or something.
>Unironically distracting yourself from immersing in the game.
But why tho?

>>717873139
>M&L brothership.
>Remaster.
?

>>717872991
>the mario rpgs, EoW, splatoon, the mario partys
I am getting Dobson flashbacks.

>>717869205
This is another reason Zelda went with 150 bite size shrines instead of 40 tedious heart piece quests. I just beat WW on NSO. I have no idea how people listened to the sailing music for hours on end. I had to throw on a podcast for the tedium.

>>717872578
>Bananza is literally one of the best things Nintendo has ever fucking made

I’m just asking for more patches so I have an excuse to go back to older games like Xenoblade and Three Houses.

>>717873082
>cinematic games
They tried that once and it didn't do so well.

>>717873229
Never heard of that.

>>717873314
not an argument. and you wonder why people dont bother listening to your "criticisms"

>>717872686
I have no clue why you seem to imply every nintendo game we know of scheduled for switch 2 is like bananza

as exclusives announced for switch 2 they have
-a gimmicky multiplayer sports game
-an arcade racer
-a musou
-a tps/action/adventure

none of these games seem remotely similar to bananza gameplay or structure wise

>>717873160
YouTube has good content if you know where to look for it.

>>717873457
Good morning sir.

>>717873563
such as?
hard mode: no video essay goyslop, i like actually thinking by myself and deciding on my own if something i watched/played is actually deep or not, thank you very much
no retrospectives/reviews either because i would rather actually play the games instead of having a soiboy speedrun them and tell me what to think

>if you like bananza you're indian
the posts are getting more retarded by the minute, mindboggling

>>717873703
>can only think about gaming content
You are beyond help.

>>717873754
just like troons became an acceptable target once they turned on kikes with their #freepalestine shit, now im wondering what did jeets do to become acceptable targets

>>717872578
I'd say you disgust me, but I think people like you just say this kind of shit for whatever is new.

>>717873754
every accusation by a snoy is actually a confession.

>>717873636
Good morning sir.

>>717873859
>thinks shitting on trannies is something new

>>717873852
>he thinks video essays and retrospectives/reviews only cover vidya
you were actually gonna rec some of those soiboys weren't you?
lmfao

>>717873934
You were specifically talking about games.

>>717872772
>Is this just a brainrot thing? I feel like most people with fried dopamine receptors need linear games
It's an intelligence thing. If you can't see through what BotW is pretty early on and then be subsequently bored out of your mind as it plays out exactly as you predicted, you have low intelligence.

>>717874032
I'll bite. What games do people with high intelligence enjoy?

>>717874350
OoT

>>717874468
can you say why without going full LE MATURE BECAUSE LE DARK like the usual manchildren always do?

>>717874532
What. I said OoT, not MM. But MM too.
And no, I will not elaborate

>>717873251
>ALL OF THE DAY BRO

>>717866230 (OP)
Yes absolutely. Mario Kart gained nothing from having an open world and in some cases it was detrimental, and Donkey Kong has no business having BOTW shrines in it. They are becoming too formulaic due to BOTW's unexpected success. I also hate how the typical Nintendo ost now is some big band or atmospheric crap

'caco thread

>>717874643
Is this where you start samefagging to try make "OOTsnoys" a thing?

>>717874793
The fact you think I'm trying to consolewar by praising the "wrong" Zelda games says far more about you than it does me.

>>717874719
I hate how most of the challenge shrines can be solved in 20 seconds and give three OH BANANAs. Only one I had to look up because there was no visual cue the OH BANANA was at the very beginning of the stage, just above the camera level.

>>717874468
For me it's BotW

>>717875153
you don't want to post metacritic scores against oot bro

>I also hate how the typical Nintendo ost now is some big band or atmospheric crap
never played bananza award

they always reveal themselves, they can't stop blabbering like retards

>>717875181
Why not?

>>717875283
99

>>717875382
The game I prefer got 97

>>717873893
holy shit lmao

>>717873320
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 desperately needs an update. Even if it's just increased resolution.

>>717875540
-2

>>717872672
Shovelware made for children doesn't count.

>>717875580
Fine by me

>>717875269
You're right I didn't play Bananza it didn't appeal to me. But I watched videos and the music I was hearing was bland and forgettable besides the remixes of David Wise stuff

>>717875703
and walking simulator movies do?

Which series will get BOTW-ified next?

>>717866230 (OP)
The only open world games are Zelda BotW and TotK my dude.

>>717875703
I agree, that's why I love Nintendo and they're releasing games every month. As opposed to the other 2 releasing a shitty game once a year if any.

>>717876596
Star fox

>>717874719
It gained the best side mode the series ever had, and facilitated the return of missions, which people have been wanting. The “shrines” are just a continuation of Odyssey’s hat doors, which were a continuation of Sunshine’s floodless levels. They fit as a more structured challenge in an otherwise open game. It’s not some BotW derivative. It's a common, intuitive design philosophy. It’s leaned on more now since they don’t kick you out of levels just to change some set dressing and have you renavigate it like 64 and Sunshine

If it's not open world, why bother?

>>717877169
Would be funny since adventures was star fox ocarina of time

>>717877552
It must be copy pasted to fuck and back while you wander around for 20 minutes looking for content you've already done 50 times before.

>>717866230 (OP)
Remember when Nintendo put of TotK as a send off huge title for the Switch, and then the Switch 2 came out nearly 2 full years after people were expecting it to, and everyone convinced themselves it was so they would have a huge lineup of things they'd been working on after it released?
I wonder where those games are

>>717866230 (OP)
I've bought every Nintendo console and handheld since the Wii and I really don't care about the Switch 2 this gen. Steam Deck, PC, and PS5 is enough for me. Hopefully someone makes a working emulator for the few exclusives at some point but really I don't care, even the new Donkey Kong game hasn't tempted me which is crazy because Mario Odyssey made me FOMO into a Switch 1 when I was happy playing BoTW on Wii U

>>717866230 (OP)
baby games

Start of Switch 1 was exciting but by now Nintendo have become stagnant again. The tame infographic reveal for Switch 2, and the fact almost all of its games are shared with Switch 1 give me the impression they really didn't want to make this thing and just coast off the first Switch forever. No confidence in their own product

>>717878890
The Deck reminds me of the Sega Gear so much, such a lame device

>>717872578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0__Ph3jk5WQ

Nope

>>717879226
>/v/ bait in monetized video form
This dude and anyone who watches this shit needs to off themselves. Just as pathetic as the console orbiter sloptubers

It was bold of them to launch with only 2 games. I can't believe they had the audacity to charge for switch 1 upgrades though.

>>717866230 (OP)
nintendo is slowly integrating its cattle into becoming accustomed to monthly subscriptions and cash shop purchases. breath of the wild showed nintendo that their fans don't care at all about graphics or performance, and new horizons and tears of the kingdom showed them that they don't care about original ideas or even designing a game at all. mk world and banana has really solidified that they can make the exact same game with a few open ended mechanics like crafting and collecting outfits and charge $70 for the same game they just released. as long as there are no major bugs, nintendo fans will defend the company of their own volition. i don't know if you noticed but japan has been westernizing massively over the last decade and that includes everything down to their manufacturing. they would rather spend their time defending their intellectual property than creating with it

>>717872991
EoW and mario party have been dogshit, and if anything splatoon actually needs MORE time given they always release in barebone states and just dripfeed in the content later. Games that shouldn’t take an eternity to make get stuck in development for years while games that need time get rushed out the door

>>717880654
>breath of the wild showed them they don’t care about graphics
As if the Wii wouldn’t have. God your delusions are retarded

>>717878890
In the exact same position minus the PS5. Grew up with Nintendo. Absolutely despise what they've become and don't think they make anything good anymore, especially these last 5 years. And PC has gotten so fucking good in the meantime, there's just no reason to reward the cancer modern Nintendo has become.

>>717881538
10,000 hours in mspaint

>>717866230 (OP)
It's just you

>>717880854
sorry bro that game looks like dogshit even by phone game standards and new horizons is one of the most tedious games ever made. golden era nintendo is over

>>717869205
It's busy work. 120 stars in Mario 64? Big task but doable. 700 fucking bananas in Bananza? Yeah, fuck no. Even when I didn't have a bunch of other things demanding my attention I wouldn't go for something that ludicrous. They need to make their collectibles realistically collectible.

>>717878584
Lack of quality control and organization is finally catching up to them

>>717882471
The bigger problem isn't the quantity it's that they sacrifice the quality for that quantity. It's not a challenge anymore it's just "Oooh BANAN- Oooh BAN- Oooh BANANA!" the whole game. It's just 700 thrown around everywhere for dopamine addicts who don't get drop dead bored of it after the 70th one.

>>717876495
Honestly, what's the last memorable track bingtendo made? Jump Up Superstar?

>>717882634
It's the same problem I have with Odyssey. You get rid of the appeal in a collection game when you slam the main collectible everywhere, it's tiresome. If you're going to have a lot it needs to be something that is of lesser value like the colored bananas in DK 64 while the big bananas are less common.

>>717874761
cacos can't afford nintendo systems

>botw fatigue

It only feels this way if you didn't actually play the games. Donkey Kong Bananza is a very linear game, much moreso than Mario Odyssey. There's technically a lot you can explore, but most of it serves little purpose. I wouldn't even consider Mario Kart an open game. Free roam is open, but there's nothing to do in free roam, it's just some dumb extra thing they tacked on. Everyone is just gonna play the races. Hyrule warriors and Metroid Prime are both linear.

>>717883039
Sales dropped off hard. Meanwhile a game like stardew valley went from 20million to way over 40+ in the past 2 years. Nintendo is losing to some aggydaggy shitposter.

>>717883039
New super mario bros ds and wii both sold 30 million

>>717882634
>>717882947
Bananza and Odyssey may look similar on the surface but they're not. Bananza's moons are mostly rewards for exploration. Odyssey's are mostly rewards for doing little gimmicky micro challenges like breaking a block or ground pounding a glowing spot or whatever. I would say in that sense Bananza feels more similar to BotW if anything. You're just exploring the levels and collecting a bunch of shit on the way to do that.

Donkey Kong hadn't had a 3D game in over 25 years, and Bananza was made by the 3D Mario team instead of a Mario game because Nintendo wanted to do something big for Donkey Kong. Hence the redesign, hence the Donkey Kong section of Nintendo World, hence DKCRHD.

If you look at 2009-2017
>New Super Mario Bros. Wii
>New Super Mario Bros. 2
>New Super Mario Bros. U
>New Super Luigi U
>Yoshi's New Island
>Yoshi's Woolly World
>Donkey Kong Country Returns
>Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D
>Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
>Kirby's Return to Dream Land
>Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe
>Kirby: Triple Deluxe
>Kirby: Planet Robobot
>Hey! Pikmin
>Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash
>Super Mario Maker
>Super Mario Maker 3DS

But you know what? Kirby getting a 3D game a few years ago that's getting an expansion now combined with Dobkey Kong getting a 3D game has definitely convinced me that Nintendo ONLY does 3D open world BotW games now, in spite of the fact that neither of those games are open world. BotW really fucked perceptions that bad, huh

>>717883459
>The game became the most downloaded title on the Nintendo Switch for 2017, despite launching on the platform in October.[133] Following its mobile launch in October 2018, Sensor Tower estimated that the game generated more than US$1 million in revenue within its first three weeks on the Apple App Store.[134] By December 2024, Stardew Valley had sold over 41 million copies, 26 million of which were on PC and 7.9 million on Nintendo Switch.[135][136]
You're welcome :)

>>717882634
You need stars and shines and moons to progress in Mario. You don't need them at all in Bananza to progress. What makes them an incentive is that they upgrade your skills, and if Odyssey did this instead of making them required for progression like the previous Mario games, nobody would have complained.

>>717883954
who are you talking to, schizo freak nigga

>>717885301
Well where do you see the traditional normal games? When was the last time they put one out?

>>717866230 (OP)
>Wii
>Less 2d
wat

>Nintendo releases like 4 games with more open ended design out of their catalog of like 50 titles in the switch era
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE EVERYTHING IS THE SAME NOW
Tendies that only play Mario and Zelda are some of the most annoying people on the internet

>>717885502
I meant it’s just like the wii/wii u era, expect instead of an overabundance of 2d games like the wii and wii u had, it’s an overabundance of more open games

>>717882634
Bananza genius comes from making the Collectables used as skill points not as keys to open progress. Instead the game itself is linear action adventure that let's you skip most of everything if you are very good but gives the option of collecting shit.

>>717885301
OP is saying that Nintendo is doing what it did in its 3DS/Wii U era where it doubled down on one successful genre (2D platformers) for everything, and he's saying that they're doing the same thing except with BotW-type open world games. What he's really saying is
>Donkey Kong got a 3D game for the first time in over 25 years
>Kirby got a 3D game in 2022 (currently on people's minds since it's getting an update) for the first time since the canceled GameCube game
And saying this is a trend on par with the 30 fucking safe 2D platformers they released released from 2009-2017.

>>717885940
Oh yeah, and the fact that Bananza and Kirby aren't even open world, they're stage-based.

I beat Misa in F-Zero 99 by a single millisecond.