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Susie has a huge crush on me irl

why do the shitty bait threads get to live but the regular ones die?

>>717871505 (OP)
Kris WILL die.

Why does the knight have horns

why does this fanbase shit up everything on the internet? im so confused

>>717877546
It's a helmet

>>717871505 (OP)
Deltarune is Undertale's prequel

>>717871505 (OP)
Corrupt Noelle will be able to see and use savepoints in the Snowgrave route and we will shit bricks when it happens. I firmly believe this.

>>717880297
i wouldn't be surprised, we did share freedom with her after all.

>>717879660
This is basically a fact.

>>717880423
Not if me and my best buddy have anything to say about it.

>>717871505 (OP)
Undertale is a prequel to the Brandish series. Deltarune is a sequel to the Halloweek hack.

>>717877619
You wouldn't even know wplace exists without DeltaGODS, sit your bitch ass down.

>>717871505 (OP)
kris got doelested

>>717880423
no, the characters are too different

>>717876638
Because the jannies for whatever reason paid, fanboyism for a particular system whatever, hate one of the single good games that's releasing in 2025

>>717880601
my bad, i kneel deltatroon chads...

>>717880683
>good
>deltarune
not really

>>717880740
>have fun shitting all over PISSrael again!
HOLY BASED WCHADS

>>717871505 (OP)
Kris and the Soul both think they hate each other and reconciling that will be a big part of Chapter 6 as they'll have a huge falling out during Chapter 5.

>>717880939
Soul isn't a character

>>717880973
Soul is a character, it's in the game. It's just a proxy for (You) but it's still a character.

>>717871505 (OP)
The entire Prophecy and the Angel religion are based on a lore book Asriel wrote for his indie game that he never finished, which ended up going hundreds of years into the past due to a causality loop. Ralsei is that book in its original form, which is why he knows everything about the Prophecy. The true ending will involve destroying Ralsei permanently, cutting the stable time loop and eliminating the Prophecy altogether. The final scene of the game will be restarting the timeline from the summer, Toriel and Asgore will still be together, Toriel will drop Kris off at school while talking about Asriel and Dess both being at college together, and Alphys will introduce the new student who just moved into town Susie.
...and Kris' cousin who's going to be living with them from now on: Ralsei who got our soul and was able to fuck causality by turning into a Lightner.

>>717881023
Soul isn't a character because it has no autonomy of its own or influence on anything beyond what either we or Kris do with it. It exists when we're not connected to it (proven with the end of chapter 3/start of chapter 4) but is not a character unto itself.

>>717871505 (OP)
The last UTY thread made me more excited for Deltarune fangames than Chapter 5.

>>717880767
Here's the thing I don't even think it's an especially amazing game either but 2024 and 2025 have been FUCKING SHIT for videogames. So much so to the point that one of the few new things I'm looking forward to is Pac Man World 2 getting a remake that they don't seem to be completely fucking up.
It's fucking BAD.

Vore

>>717871505 (OP)
Carol went through Snowgrave herself. Mr. Cattenheimer also lost his arm in the Dark World, similar to how Berdly can injure his hand in chapter 2.

>>717881459
The prophecy has happened multiple times before.
The originals were Gaster and Egg(hu)man

I like the Kris is going to lose a hand/arm theory.

>>717881851
Kri is gonna lose his
tears

>>717881901
ris will lose his malaise and be happi again :)

Susie Gaster

>>717881851
But he already lost the hand, how do you think he sinks his hand into his body without causing a deadly wound, when he rips off the SOUL? He has a fake ghost hand.

>>717881851
Kris loses a hand and you need the mouse to give you one

>>717882024
>how do you think he sinks his hand into his body without causing a deadly wound
hey wait a minite what the fuck

>>717871505 (OP)
The Knight is a collective using one name/title.
Due to being shattered into pieces, Gaster is a collective using one name/title.

I think we should all transition, it's what Toby wants

>>717882024
>>717882423
Kris's hand has been replaced with a Goner hand, their original hand became FRIEND

>>717880740
lmao

>>717871505 (OP)
Do we know what ralsei is in the light world?

>>717882613
skip to the part where you kill yourself

>>717882842
An actual plushie

>>717882842
he's me

>>717881278
Hard vore.

>>717871505 (OP)
"Lancer is the real Prince from the Dark" COULD still be true

what do we think of dunkey's video

>>717882994
A homemade Asriel plush. That's why Ralsei thinks he's worthless, he knows for a fact he's just an imitation of who Kris really wants to see.
And Seam was plush-making practice.

>>717883116
Susie's parents are extremely racist and you onyl get their blessing to marry if you let her unbirth you into a dragon monster
yes or no?

How did susie know what a smart tv is?

>>717883137
unfortunately the prophecy specifies lancer with a different name and picture, probably because toby saw all the 'lancer is the real prince in the dark' theories

>>717883137
The prophecy is intentionally vague about a lot of details such that multiple things could easily fit

>>717871505 (OP)
The regular route will have an inevitable bad end
Weird route will be the good ending in it's own twisted way
a true ending exists but it will be the most complex one to get since you need to do weird route stuff up to a certain point

That when all is said and done the game's gonna be a funny animal game with coherent and satisfying conclusion :)

Rudy Knight might have some ground after all.

>>717871505 (OP)
kris is actually the second hero/ the girl
she fits all the criteria except for explicit confirmation of being female, but has a few hints towards it in the game already

>>717883153
I think youtube is a shithole of completely fucking unwatchable garbage from people with no talent incapable of making interesting videos that nobody actually watches.
Especially Keep Saying It Man.
Carried only by the intentional holocaust of the internet by Google and a back catalog of near 20 year old videos made back when there was ever an expectation or even duty to make something anyone would EVER choose to watch and show their friends rather than be fed by a front page selected by youtube employees who waste man hours making sure a plugin so you can actually block uninteresting channels doesn't function. (YES, THIS IS A FUCKING THING THEY WASTE DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES ON, MAKING SURE YOU CAN'T USE YOUTUBE WITHOUT BEING FORCED TO WATCH MR. BEAST)

I want Kris to kiss Asriel

>>717883427
no long hair
Kris doesn't fit even if it was a girl

>>717883327
>unfortunately the prophecy specifies lancer with a different name and picture
Unironically that's actually what fuels the schizo theory more for me because of the whole bit with "The Second Hero" being FOLLOWED by "And Last, Was the Girl". It actively frames what seemingly SHOULD be 2 different things in wording that makes it dubious, how do we know it's not also doing the opposite at the same time? Lancer was fairly lonely up until the gang came along, and Card Castle seems to have the same "pure dark" look as the Knight and Titans. I'm not crazy I swear.
>>717883341
Exactly

>>717883586
>Card Castle seems to have the same "pure dark" look
also those damn trees the man likes so much

>>717881851
does the game recognize KRS as the correct name? I thought only KRI worked

So there's a lot of talk about the relationship between the SOUL and Kris, how what we want and what Kris wants are at odds. But I think there is a third party that we haven't discussed either: the game itself. Not the setting, but the actual mechanics and interface of Deltarune. Everything we do is dependent on what the game allows us to do, what dialogue we are allowed to choose and the like. And just like how Kris is our puppet, we in turn are puppets to the game itself, being given the illusion of choice while realistically having no real autonomy of our own. We can't force Kris to take a bottle of ketchup and chuck it at Sans' head. We can't force Kris to grab Susie by the back of her head and jam Kris' tongue into her mouth. We can make Kris move and answer for him sometimes, but our control over him is extremely limited because we cannot go against the mechanics of the game. No one can choose who they are in this world, not even the ever-powerful SOUL. But these options had to come from somewhere, right? Who is giving us the option to tell Kris to proceed, who is giving us the ability to write the name ASS in Tenna's gameshow? The interface has to come from somewhere, and there is only one individual who seems to be fully aware of the inherent nature of Deltarune on a systemic level.
I posit that W.D. Gaster, everyone's favorite mysteryman, IS the Deltarune. As in, he is literally Deltarune the game. His influence is felt everywhere because he is always watching, always present in every pop up box, every character icon, everything.

>>717883490
given that people can't tell if it's depicting hair or a hood, it's entirely possible that the long hair is actually kris' ascot/ cape billowing slightly, like when combat starts
the second hero also has a similar post to kris' neutral fight stance, except flipped

>>717883760
it auto defaults to KRS if you skip to the first board
although we all know kris would put in ASS if given the option

>>717871505 (OP)
A dark fountain will be opened by stabbing someone POLICE... SACRIFICE...

>>717883462
i thought the video was funny and i liked watching it

>>717883807
You're basically just describing simulation theory, which has been floated around in the same vein as time loop theory

https://youtu.be/_A6t9AYe1oU?si=jaPqOj_4AlGW2VZ5&utm_source=ZTQxO UHM??????? SISTERS???????????????

>>717884492
Yeah but simulation theory suggests Gaster is running the simulation, not that he IS the simulation.

>>717884896
do you think susie's eggs smell good haha

>>717876692
Susie will be betrayed by Kris and Ralsei but can be saved by (You)but will develop trust issue for the rest of her life.

>>717884948
Consider: Deltarune is a Really REALLY elaborate GI Joe PSA meme reference

Dying is pissing me off
I just want to ride my Motor Cy

cyle

>>717881851
>>717882024
Kris' missing goner hand is the hand he reached out to save Dess with, when she fell into whatever-dark-world she fell into.

>>717884919
Keep

>>717885025
I can't see how either of them would EVER betray Susie but I can see both of them hiding important information for the last time from her and/or trying to exclude her from the last prophecy with that hidden information.

I 100% expect Kris at some point to rip us out and go off with the Knight at some point to finish the prophecy just like I 100% expect Ralsei to try trapping Kris/Susie or just Susie so he can go be the sacrifice in the prophecy. Either way is going to piss off Susie, maybe irreversibly, and the only one who will really have her back at wanting to stop that from happening is (Us)

>>717871505 (OP)
Shitty theory. Those kind of jaws and teeth would be made for clamping down on a throat or limb, not a skull. That there is even a reference picture of a jaguar with the obvious difference in jaw hinge and dentition is just embarrassing.

Kris in a skirt with full makeup and heels.

>>717885025
ralsei would never betray susie in any intentional capacity, she's his only hope spot and likely keeping him from turning into a schizo right now
likewise kris will actively maim himself to prevent (you) from hurting her even emotionally, he's very conflicted about his loyalties but it's clear that susie is one of the most important things in his life right now and he'll be damned if he lets (you) hurt her in any way

>>717885629
kris would only do that to tease susie

Kris is a bad person for trying to break his promise and siding with some filthy delinquent over his childhood friend.

>>717884952
Only when I fertilize them!

>>717871505 (OP)
Asriel is the Knight.
It's actually not a schizo theory but people think it is and will threaten to cut your head off with a rusty kitchen knife if you say you're serious about it.

I can't beat the knigger. Help me with this shit.
Where do I find mints before his fight?
I've beat many hard bosses before after hours, sans and jevil mainly, but after hours and hours I just don't see myself beating this nigga.
How do I do this shit?
>>717871505 (OP)
As for my theories, I think the third secret minigame in chapter 3 makes it clear that Kris will kill everyone if you follow the snowgrave route, you have to kill the party in the minigame, and then you keep up killing monsters, some of which resemble actual characters like asgore, alphys and undyne.

>>717885821
Kris' promise to the knight is more important than his friendship with Susie.

>>717886054
>>717885629
I forgot what the misfits logo looked like and accidentally drew pants.
Sorry

>>717885629
>skirt
Yes.
>makeup and hells
No.

>>717886248
>Where do I find mints before his fight?
Hope you played gacha.

>>717886213
ok explain the holydays's horns then

>>717886086
I don't think Kris wants to kill people like undyne even for dess

>>717886248
A ranking Board 1 gives you a revivemint
One of TV World's puzzles gives a revivemint
And the Gacha has a revivemint as a gold prize

>>717886426
it's over
I don't have any save before this point and i'm not doing this shitty chapter a third time.

>>717886271
is it actually though? it certainly seems that way at first glance but we can tell a couple times in ch4 that what may have been ironclad loyalty to the knight is now faltering due to susie
him seemingly about to jump out the window to follow her at the end of ch4, without (you), tells me that kris may be getting cold feet with the knight plan

>>717886248
>after hours
>jevil
my condolences anonymous
i don't think knight is for you yet
can you at least get to "phase 3" consistently? the one that starts with homing fleur-de-lis and diagonal boxcutter?

>>717886537
It's still strong enough to drag him back in. It's still strong enough to make him put the soul back in after you deflower Noelle. Susie will have to endure some emotional damage before Kris flips completely.

>>717886542
jevil might have lasted around an hour though
>can you at least get to "phase 3" consistently?
holy shit three phases?
most far I get is the circular blade attack, the one in which the blades form a spinning circle
yep that's the most far I got in like hour and a half

>>717886248
put mantle on susie, spam as many rude busters as you can, ralsei and kris attacks matter too, you just gotta do like 1.5k damage

>>717886363
To be fair, we only hear the fragment of conversation and the actual meaning may be completely different.

Dess and Asriel tried to fulfill the prophecy before but failed. Asriel like Noelle pretends that he believes it's all a dream which is why he just leaves town to not confront the truth. Whatever is happening to Des know is what would happen to Kris if we fail to win the prophecy for them.

>>717886681
we still don't know what kris' beef with noelle is, but i think we can confidently say that kris cares more about susie than he does about noelle, as fucked as that may be considering their history together

>>717886705
>hour and a half
oh nevermind, that's not hopeless, provided you are the sort of nerd that likes bashing his head against a wall
i've beat knight with a few items over like 3 sessions, if that's any encouragement

>>717886893
tomorrow I will kill him then
fuck him, I want that crystal
me want shiny thing

>>717886875
I don't blame him seeing her pussy gush after witnessing him get bullied tells me exactly what kind of friend she is. The type of "friend" who wouldn't hesitate to throw you under the bus for some pussy. I'm happy I accidentally triggered the cutscene where Noelle opens the gate for you before doing the diner date she had that coming.

>>717886875
I don't think they have beef, they get along extremely well in the ch. 2 dark world. it's just the urge to push noelle away coming from guilt, as indicated by the cactus in ch. 3

>>717886986
Simply Rude Buster appropriately and you'll be fine

>>717871505 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9mrY5WGUOFE

>>717887441
lmfao

>>717886248
Kris defends every turn
Susie rude busters + mantle
Ralsei heals with items, defend when you don't need healing
Don't bother attacking with kris and ralsei, you'll need the extra defense

>>717887167
i don't think noelle has an issue with kris, but kris seems to only associate with noelle if she comes to him or if he has no other choice
i get what the cactus was implying, but i think kris goes further than that
until we are told otherwise i think it has something to do with the prophecy, as ralsei also seems to think that kris being with alone noelle is something best avoided even when not on snowgrave

>>717887732
>Ralsei heals with items, defend when you don't need healing
Wrong
Kris should be the designated healer because he is the only that can't be SWOON'd

>>717871505 (OP)
I've never played Undertale or Deltarune. Somehow shipfags have me invested in main protagonist guy and big dinosaur lady getting together. If the game eventually has a route where they get together, I will unironically buy your game.

>>717882779
KEK

>>717887980
Unfortunately, right now we have a situation where several ships are equally likely, and there's also an indication that there won't be any "routes".

>>717886354
That's easy, the thing that we fight simply isn't the Knight's true form. It is some kind of puppet or projection which has been made in the image of a Holiday.
We can assume this because of two things:
First, we know that the Knight is a Lightner, but the Knight's form is impossible for a Lightner to possess.
Second, the Knight wears a helmet that can be removed.

The Knight's body is amorphous and liquid, and seems to be made of Darkness just like the Titan's. In fact it even turns into static when attacked, just like Titan Spawn. But we know that the Knight is a Lightner, who can move in the Light World enough to drag Undyne around and make Dark Fountains. These two things can only be true at the same time if we assume the Knight made of Darkness is not exactly the same as the Lightner who is the Knight, and in fact given how the DW Knight's body seems to be 100% Darkness, it is likely that they are not the same at all.
Therefore it doesn't make sense to assume that the Knight's DW appearance speaks to their LW appearance, because the former seems to be completely artificial.

Secondly, we know from the "Think of the Knight" cutscene that the Knight wears a helmet that can be removed. However in game we can clearly see that the Knight we fight is not wearing a helmet. The angular thing on top of their torso is just a part of their body, and acts as an eye, mouth, and head at different times. There's no "helmet", just body mass.
So then what's wearing the helmet? Connecting to the first point, I think it is the Knight's LW body. But why would the Lightner Knight need to wear a helmet? I believe it is to control the DW Knight's body which, if my first point is correct, is not the Lightner's real body.

If all that is correct, and the Knight is Asriel, then one need only assume it looks like a Holiday because Asriel made it to look like Dess, maybe because it's inspired by her in some way or maybe because he's using it to find her.

Berdley's remains will become a schizo boss on the Weird Route.

>>717888630
idk I think it's natural to assume that the DW form is related at some degree with the lightener normal form, and that the horns are a clear indication that the knight is a holiday.
Also, why asriel? And why would asriel take the form of a thing with clear holiday styled horns?

>>717888946
Berdly's corpse becomes another Roaring Knight and he is way harder than Sans.

>>717888630
here's a question for you and all theoryfags to be fair: what's the narrative purpose of that?
without bringing up any "expectations subverted", "red herrings", or "it's gotta be a twist" non-points, what would your interpretation bring to the story overall?
december-knight is fairly obvious catalyst for drama, as a shadow of a girl that disappered long ago, kris or noelle will no doubt be forced to put her down or think they have to, anyway, destroying any hope that she might miraculously return with their own hands

Ralsei knows more to the titans than he's letting on. The titan fetuses are not going to grow into titans, they'll grow into something else - maybe even Darkners. Ralsei is keeping it secret not maliciously but if Kris and Susie know they'll feel bad enough to try and find some other solution and Ralsei expects there is none.
I also habitually write Ralsei as Asriel out of habit.

>>717885425
Oh right. It's very very on the nose but there's the jewish custom of scapegoating, where one goat is killed and the blood from that (and another animal but I forget what, a bull I think) is painted upon another goat - which is sent to go die in the wilderness on its own. Ralsei gets blood from Susie on his face at the chapter 4 scene. I could see the sacrifice not being death but a fate worse than death - being sent off into some darker than dark abyss where there is nobody, no darkners no lightners nothing but Ralsei.

>>717887869
if kris defends first then you get TP right before Susie, so she can use rude buster more often

>>717871505 (OP)
Why theorize when every character shrouded in mystery gets retconned into a nothingburger joke that the fandom will suck off and call you retarded for thinking they'd be something serious despite that being the fandoms consensus

>>717889763
I bet you thought Mike was gonna be an actual serious character
You dumb motherfucker

>>717889763
Oh, it's that faggot again. Remember, which one of your retarded theories was touched inappropriately by Toby?

>>717889763
>gaster believers when they see default mspaint yellow and pink
>gerson and susie were always obviously related to gaster's useless nigger of a cat, tonybox has truly dropped the ball
I am here for quirky RPG adventures and doing stupid shit with my main man Krust. It is (you) who were hoodwinked into engaging with FANDOM or giving a shit about CONSENSUS.

>>717889928
>I bet you thought Mike was gonna be an actual serious character
That's literally what the entire fandom thought pre chapter 4
Now smart asses like you want to act like you knew he was always going to be some shitty unimportant joke character

Jesus Christ, you're like faggots pretending to be Mari fags when before 4.0, they were a species on the verge of extinction

>>717889928
people thought mike was the ch3 boss because spamton mentioned him like how jevil mentioned queen
it wasn't until the sweepstakes until we were given the name tenna
you can't shit on patternfags too hard for what the thought during the 2 - 3 + 4 gap because we got damn near jack shit from toby after the sweepstakes for almost four years

>Makes this face when tninking about Mike
>The face he only ever makes when he drops the facade
>"He was never going to be something serious, you retard"

>Be Toby
>Have nothing planned outside of some shitty doodle you did in school because you were bored
>Drop the best content you've ever made (Chapter 2)
>Have no idea how to "Proceed"
>Resort to le references and the "haha gotcha" joke character all your theories were wrong lol, no I'm not gonna give you actual content, the content is the joke DON'T YOU GET IT!?!?
>Have the gall to give Gerson the line of how "irony" and shit poisons your story

The Q&A shows that the Mike Spamton knows is different from the Mike that Tenna is talking to and the fake Mikes are looking for

>>717887980
Well I can't say for certain that Toby won't be a retard, but it seems pretty likely that it will win out in the end right now regardless of what happens. And him being happy that people drew her using him as a headrest even though it never actually happens in-game is one of the only things he has ever directly spoken about the game online.

Depending on how much you like anime-style shipteasing, you may be satisfied with the content that is already present thoughbeit. The two of them share a ton of scenes together and pretty obviously share feelings for each other. They've got some of the most heartfelt scenes in the game just spending time with one another, and do a bunch of different anime-ish romance tropes pretty sincerely.

And hey, the first two chapters are free. Try it and see if you like it, if not then you only spent like an hour or two.

>>717890661
Or Spamton is just nuts.

>>717871505 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J0qWFGbGO50

>>717890613
Yeah nah, I still remember you faggots crying about how chapter 2 ruined the game and how much it was inferior to chapter 1.

>>717888954
Asriel because that is where the evidence points, but that's a whole other discussion.
Regarding the Knight's form, I think a better question is why would the Knight make their DW body look anything like themselves?
We know that Kris's crew is aware of our presence, that Kris goes out of their way to conceal the Knight's identity from us, and that Kris and the Knight are working together. If they can make their body look like anything, why would they just show themselves to be a Holiday? Why would Kris hide who they are just to have the person themselves narrow it down to three candidates for free?
I'm not saying that's actually the case. I think it is much more likely that the main reason is that it is a homage of sorts to Dess, I just don't think it makes very much sense to assume the deceitful shape-shifter's shape is actually what they look like.

>>717881129
>its not a character because of something completely irrelevant to it being a character and because it has no influence on the story and characters if you ignor the characters and parts of the story it influences(which is basically fucking everything because its (You))
Uh huh makes sense anon

>>717890695
Oh early chapters are free? Yeah I'll probably check them out. Though I sort of hate starting a story until it's finished, if only because I have the memory of a goldfish and will forget things.

>>717891526
tonally i agree
mechanically ch2 is much better than ch1
there were some funny gags in ch2 though
replaying ch2 really shows off how weak some areas are though, the city before getting noelle is somewhat of a drag and after the reunion with susie and ralsei it's just padding you get to the mansion
there really isn't a reason for it, the next room could've been the entrance to the mansion and nothing would be lost

>>717891790
I've said this since day one, Spamton's introduction is terribly placed. Regardless of how much people like him, the story just sidetracks so quickly and briefly that my first impression after beating him was "that felt totally pointless"

>>717891776
Eh don't worry about forgetting, at this rate the entire internet is just going to keep reminding all of us through meme nonsense until the next chapter drops next year [ASSUMING that the revelation of the dreaded creation from earlier this week doesn't delay things].

Main thing is that the best scenes between the two are mostly in Chapters 3 and 4 though, and you have to pay for those ones. But seeing if you actually like the characters outside of memes and if the game's writing is good for you is still worth the like 5 hours it takes to blow through the first two chapters I think.

>>717891927
>ASSUMING that the revelation of the dreaded creation from earlier this week doesn't delay things
crossover characters in part 6

>>717891921
i think spamton should've been introduced in the segment before noelle, and have the fight afterwards where it is currently
make it feel like he's kinda stalking kris for whatever reason

My schizo theory is that Noelle is based on Terra from the Teen Titans. Buck-teeth, blonde hair and uncontrollable power.

>>717892015
God please no, watching people draw Dess as Vriska was already like seeing someone dump sewage into the water table.

Susie is going to be blamed for the church getting trashed

>>717892150
This will happen and she will still be called an author's pet.

>>717871505 (OP)
>the ritual in the prophecy includes killing one of the heroes, and then not giving them a proper burial
>if the one killed this way is a monster, they become a darkner. If it's a human, their soul doesn't pass on
>people we know of killed as part of the ritual involve 1. Gerson, 2. a human whom Carol knew and is currently working with to make sure the prophecy happens again, and 3. Asriel who became Ralsei after he was killed by Dess
>Dess got so emotionally shook by it she became the Knight, and is now working with Kris to stop the prophecy this time around, even if it ends the world
>they will succeed with that goal on the normal route, leading to the light and dark worlds fusing and everything becoming more fantasy-like, making a world more reminiscent of Undertale's. It's the "weird" route that actually fulfills the prophecy to delay the end.

>>717892178
the claim people make that everyone loves susie the second they meet her is laughable
only three people in hometown actually like susie, with another two being neutral positive towards her
everyone else detests her or is actively afraid of her

I feel like people got way too burned by the segment specifically made to say all your theories are dumb because you're thinking too hard. And the ultimate message of, "Even if your theories are stupid Mike still exists" was pretty much lost in what's a wholly unnecessary segment in the long run.

>>717889210
What does anything I said have to do with "subverting expectations" or having any sort of twist for no reason? Don't slander me with your assumptions.
The narrative value is two-fold.
First, the Knight's identity is a mystery story, a puzzle. The audience is following along with the characters as they try to deduce the identity of the antagonist. As the stakes get higher the tension builds and figuring out the puzzle becomes a matter of life and death. The reveal brings catharsis as you either have your conclusions proven correct or get to see how you were outsmarted. The only "subversions" to this classic formula has already been revealed, multiple characters already know the antagonist's real identity and are purposefully working against the audience to conceal it. Moreover the only character actively trying to solve the mystery, Susie, can't do it on her own and needs our help, and we need HER help because Kris prevents us from acting on anything we figure out, causing a multi-layered conflict that's only just begun in Chapter 4.
On the flip-side of this point, the idea that Toby would ruin this very purposefully crafted puzzle by showing the most dedicated part of his fanbase exactly who the Knight is less than halfway through the story is, frankly, absurd.

Second, I think Asriel being the Knight provides much more value than Dess Knight if for no other reason than how we know the Knight and Carol seem to treat Kris. I think it would tie up multiple mysteries surrounding Kris quite nicely if, for example, Asriel is very mad at Kris for their involvement in Dess's disappearance and is using their guilt to manipulate them into doing what he wants, namely finding Dess, including even lying to and hurting their friends.
Well, I assume I don't need to spell out every possibility, suffice it to say there's enough potential there for the story.

>>717892150
>Susie sent to jail
>Noelle has to go to the festival with Kris
Just according to keikaku

Togore reference in chapter 5

>>717892252
Being fair, it is really funny that ALL THREE of the other Lightners in Chapter 2 ALL end up falling for Susie in one way or another. But considering that like 80% of the fanbase is the same way, I think that's just an accurate reflection of reality.

>>717892283
>Kris takes the blame
>told to think of something else after he drops the soap
>(you) are forced to watch Noelle cuck (you) while Kris gets shower raped

Why does kris need the soul again?

>>717892383
He'll turn into a darkner maybe.

>>717892383
because the prophecy says so

>>717892383
Can't seal the fountains without it. This is the one and only observable thing the soul does specific to it. Since Kris is just larping as a zombie when you can see him he doesn't really need you for anything else.

>>717892314
ok this is reddit

>>717892458
Excuse you, it's also the only bioluminescent character in the game.

>>717892559
>Soulniggers, they glow in the dark
>Asgore can hit them with his truck

>>717892383
Shut up

>>717892383
Save function and closing dark worlds.

>>717892383
Toby doesn't know yet.

Imagine being Kris and shoving this little red nigger into your chest cavity for some massive plan and just kind of going through the motions becoming friends with Susie all that stuff over the 6 days the game takes place and then you get to the 6th day where it's all gone to total shit and the soul finally wakes up like, "Hey how's it going?"

>>717892775
It is implied Kris was saving without us though, since we overwrite his save in chapter 1.

>>717884919
saying

>>717892889
NTA but Kris's save isn't a normal save, the slot is under their name but has never been used, and if you start a new playthrough it doesn't have their name at all.

A very /beg/ Susie I drew last week

>>717892889
Their save with zero playtime on it.

>>717893189
The save point is, "The light that only you can see." And it has a save slot for Kris. Implying that Kris has the capability to save and load.

You can't just say, "If you start it over again and it's gone." It's not some bug that Toby left in the game. It's a conscious decision to put this detail in.

>>717893259
How many hours do you think Kris has in the Deltarune.exe which can only be accessed by entities from a higher plane.

>>717871505 (OP)
the final boss of snowgrave will be vessel and your pet (noelle) vs the knight and her pet (kris)

>>717880297
>final boss of weird route is You vs Noelle
>if you lose Noelle overwrites your save game
>she erases all weird route tagged save files

>>717892369
Nah, Susie will give herself up so she could share the cell with him. He still gets raped.

>>717894041
as the prophecy foretold

>>717892265
>anything I said have to do with (...) any sort of twist for no reason
well 'cause you oppose a fairly straightforward assumption that a mysterious horned foe in alliance with kris is another character with ties to kris who mysteriously disappered
>ruin this very purposefully crafted puzzle
a puzzle may not be complex, it's certainly not likely to be if you're well-versed in tropey shit, this is why december is broadly assumed to be the knight: it's a very easy connection to make
i see no reason to overcomplicate the matter for now, simple as

>if for no other reason than how we know the Knight and Carol seem to treat Kris
>tie up multiple mysteries surrounding Kris quite nicely
???
kris is like the biggest enigma to (us), if anything i'd expect his personality and relationships to be the most different when compared to fan interpretations
where's the soul? why the only human? why such sporadic resistance to control? is already on his own NG+? who is the mastermind behind the plan? still conspiring with ralsei? frayed ties with holidays? any knight reveal would massively recontextualize plot-related mysteries
that's honestly the main problem with ANY kind of assumption, it is still not clear as to what's the ultimate direction of the game, and so it's hard to speculate about anything besides "potential" and such
which is why i stick to the most obvious ideas

>>717871505 (OP)
Is that the bite of [inside joke]?

>>717892383
He seems to be physically ill without it. He is shambling around and his voice is said to be shaky.

>>717871505 (OP)
The Knight's an Amalgamate between a Lightner and a Darkner, specifically (Mayoral Bodyguard) Papyrus and Dess' dust covered hockey helmet. Carol's seeking to resurrect Dess as a Darkner in the same manner as Gerson, but something clearly went wrong. Likely her helmet didn't come back as her, so Carol experimented further, perhaps in the Bunker which contains a Dark Fountain. FRIEND is also influencing Carol, likely giving her the idea that Dess can return fully if the whole world is plunged into Darkness. FRIEND is basically Satan and that which lies within Darkness beyond Darkness.
Darkness = Chaos = Freedom

The reason for Sans being an asshole to Kris is because he knows Kris is involved in all this. The unstable nature of the Knight takes a toll on Papyrus' bones when he returns to normal in the light world, perhaps becoming sick or not acting like himself. Thus, Sans has taken it upon himself to investigate this matter for the sake of his brother.

>>717894297
>He is shambling around
He played (You) like a damn fiddle. He can move perfectly well without the soul (he even runs on aborted Snowgrave), he just pretends to act as a zombie as misdirection/

>>717881568
pretty cool
but why is that ice-e guy everyman?

>>717882582
which pieces do we know about?
>guy controlling the device (another him)
>man behind the tree
>the piece held by the donut guy

>>717893205
Sex

>>717871505 (OP)
Kris is a guy and Susie is heterosexual

>>717894198
I oppose the fan consensus so I must just be making shit up out of thin air for no reason? Let me at least make a case before you throw my words in the trash, lol. Besides the antlers and bat, what exactly connects Dess to the Knight?

The Knight uses Asriel's attacks. It uses his music. What is purported to be its dialogue blips sound almost identical to Asriel's. It demonstrates authority over Kris. If the Knight is not somehow getting it's movements and poses from Kris, then Kris has been imitating it directly. Asriel's favorite character in SSF was the female "Sword Magician".
The Knight's very first appearance has it crying, and the one single piece of information we know about what Asriel was doing between Dess's appearance and his supposed admission into college was that he was a "crying boy", that's so important that it's contrasted directly with the only time in the entire game so far where Dess is actually called a "lost girl". Moreover, in Chapter 4 we are provided with the story of a "fallen star" which "cries" and creates something out of it's tears which is or is like a shadow crystal, a concept introduced in Chapter 2 when Mettaton created an empty body (!) in the Dark World containing its own shadow crystal (!!), granting the body "incredible power" (!!!).
What is the one room in Queen's mansion that Kris will not allow you to see? Asriel's.
Who is the only person Kris will prevent you from watching in Chapter 4? The Knight.
What is the single descriptor that stops Kris from opening the door in the Church? That it has room enough for "a large person".


These are breadcrumbs but taken as a whole I see them as nothing but a clear pathway directly to the Knight through Asriel. I see no other theory that even comes close to this level of foundation. Perhaps I am mistaken and it is Dess, or Carol, or whoever, but I will die on the hill that as of right now the person with the most evidence pointing to them as the Knight is Asriel Dreemurr.

>>717894372
>He can move perfectly well without the soul (he even runs on aborted Snowgrave), he just pretends to act as a zombie as misdirection/
Is that why he can barely walk once he puts (You) back in his body? Face it, he's on death's door without us. Snowgrave is him pumped with adrenaline from having a literal demon try to hurt his friends

Cool things that could be implemented in a potential "bad route" to fuck with the player in the event that one of the characters becomes aware of the game and the player
>If playing on console switch the soul controls from left analogue stick/dpad to the right analogue stick/face buttons
>Characters talking directly to the player
>Turning the screen black and telling the player to look at themselves and think about what they've done
>Simulated crash that boots you back to desktop/OS after a puzzle, when you load back in the characters maintain the illusion then stop you from doing the puzzle with the same solution as before
>Occasionally drop instruments out of the OST to fuck with the player
>Move items from your pocket to storage before a boss fight
>Fuck with the brightness settings during a difficult bullet hell section
>On a replay re context the entire game by making the characters aware of the player since the start
>On a replay bosses are aware of your shit and change up patterns

>>717896723
>Besides the antlers and bat, what exactly connects Dess to the Knight?
Look man, it's entirely okay if the two visual connections are later confirmed to be Dess. Not everything requires a twist - foreshadowing doesn't have to be complicated. It's perfectly okay to obviously set up the Knight to be Dess because there's far more mystery going on that there can numerous definitive things we can be certain of this early in the story.

The Japanese pull shit out of their asses constantly and we can only pray Toby doesn't fucking take inspiration from their shit storytelling; we can only pray that the basic visual hints that the Knight is a Holiday - the missing Holiday is all it is and it isn't some kind of ridiculous ass-pull like Noelle's parents or some secret unrevealed Holiday like you would get from some shitty Japanese story. The notion that Carol or Rudy is the Knight suggests that they would hurt Kris and that's just too fucked up to think about - we have to believe that Carol and Rudy are in fact good parents even if Carol is a bit strict the fact she fucking loves Christmas means she can't be a total cunt.

"Police... Sacrifice... Next week" doesn't actually mean Undyne is going to be sacrificed. After being dragged out of the dark world she understood the situation and went to the bunker willingly. She is the one planning to sacrifice someone.

God why is she so COOL

>>717871505 (OP)
There are multiple Roaring Knights,(Carol, Rudy, Dess, etc.) But none of them are aware of each other and keep getting confused when they see each others handiwork in places where they haven't been before.

My most schizo theory is that the monsters refer to Kris as they because they're aware of the player and thus Kris is seen as 2 people

>>717897621
>Kris is fucking the entire Holiday family

Damn no wonder this nigger doesn't get any sleep.

>>717897113
>ive already decided that the Knight is Dess and anything else is a stupid ass pull even if it is well established beforehand, explained well in the end, and makes sense in hindsight
I hope you never waste any money on a detective novel. You'd spend the entire book thinking it was the red herring and then complain about the book using tropes when the actual criminal is revealed lol.

>>717871505 (OP)
Sooner or later all of our theories and fun speculation will be proven false by subsequent chapters coming out, which will all be significantly less popular than chapters coming out now simply because the potential for open-ended story will be cut every time, and the series will spend the next 10+ years after it ends trying to chase its former glory and pick up all the loose story threads that Fans had theories about before they were all proven irrelevant.

Except this isn't a schizo theory and is supported by every single thing Toby likes going through the same boom->bust->nostalgia cycle, Homestuck, Haruhi, Madoka, etc. and soon, Deltarune and Undertale.

>>717886086
You don't understand, anon.

Deer pussy too good.

>>717897905
AU's will take over, just like in Undertale.

>>717897165
They are going to sacrifice somebody, but it's going to be either Noelle, Susie, or Kris.

Schizo you said?
>Knight is Rudy
>Asgore and Knight are working together after Asgore bodied him
>Lancer is working with the Knight
>Final part of the prophecy is that the human kills the girl to stop the world ending
>Ralsei is Kris's antlers from when he was growing up
>The Knight will power up the King and he'll escape, probably slaughtering people in the process
>Papyrus will be a key plot point
>The player will assume control of Susie at some point and fight Kris

>>717886086
they're both bad people

>>717896723
>I must just be making shit up
i just said december is the most OBVIOUS candidate, evidenced by so many people latching onto the idea
feel free to consider it fit for unenlightened masses only, but my point is that it's OBVIOUS and therefore any other option by definition requires a TWIST
>breadcrumbs
>clear pathway
just a nitpick, but that oxymoron pefectly exemplifies my problem with theoryfaggin' in principle
one makes an assumption and then extrapolates it so far that that it simply MUST be true, otherwise the house of cards built on top collapses without "this level of foundation"
you say that you may be wrong, but willing to die on your hill, i say that entrenching yourself on any hill is what is wrong in the first place, there is no shame in going "dunno, it could go either way"

>all your reasoning
mostly understandable but subject to plausible deniability and further recontextualization (like december, of course, but once again: she is the OBVIOUS option), relying on the assumption that toby is a living god and can do no wrong (or maybe he just thinks edgy magicians like knight and hyperdeath asriel are cool), and that every surreal and questionable thing fits into BIG PICTURE®™
and i don't believe that, i see horns on a knight, i see december's edgy room decor, and i go "huh i guess dess is supposed to be the roaring knight" and enjoy the ride without devoting too much brainpower to a plot point to be revealed in 7 more years

I hope Asriel bully's Kris the entire time he's on screen. Kris needs to man up.

Wrote this thing yesterday:

>>717898397
>Chapter 7 ends
>End of the world reverted
>Happy ending achieved
>Deltarune's world has actually lasted a week without imploding
>Asriel steps out of the taxi as he gets home from college
>"Hey Kris you FAGG-"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKSRYiMlTX0

chara is real and she's my loving imouto

>>717898190
They are perfect for each other.

If it wasn't for the age gap, it would be even more of a done deal than Noelle and Kris.

>>717898434
Cringe

>>717898552
>Chara
>Loving another human

>>717871505 (OP)
>"sorry, Kris, but I'm really hungry..."
>swallows him whole

>>717898629
Soft vore is cringe.

>>717898434
>>717898484
>>717898525
Hey man I'm sorry you spent time writing that

>>717898698
Nah.

Was fun.

>>717896887
Kris is literally going to sleep without the soul in his body in the ending of Chapter 4.

>>717898617
LOVE is acronym too yknow?

>>717898375
The problem is some people think Usual Suspects red herrings are a valid form of storytelling when they almost always require a lie to be told to the reader; not the characters but the reader itself has to be lied to or lied by omission through a character's perspective to make them get rugpulled by the red herring. Stories can be many things but one of the top rules is not never lie to the reader.

You're right that Dess is the most obvious choice and if it isn't her, then the amount of effort that is required to steer it away from her would have to be gargantuan.

>>717898834
Carol is the actual red herring though.

>>717871505 (OP)
The prophecy already happened with Asriel, Dess and Empty Vessel piloted by SOUL.
After the prophecy SOUL fucked off somewhere and Empty Vessel came to life using the Dark World. The Empty Vessel got adopted by Asgore and Toriel and is now known as Kris.

>>717871505 (OP)
Carol and Dess are both fanatic about humans which is represented through them liking "heart-shaped objects" something only humans have. They're obsessed with everything that a human is which probably in that world holds power both metaphorically and literally, or at the very least they believe that to be the case whether true or not. It's something Noelle had as well but the interest was temporarily lost as Kris grew distant for a while before the events of the game, but it was re-awakened in the weird route as shown in her strange behavior in her room where she locked the door, closed the curtains and was slowly approaching him due to her thinking Kris wanted to reignite what they had in their childhood from his recent behavior in-between chapters.

Carol and Dess' purpose is for the heart to get a vessel, possibly not just any normal vessel and something in which the heart(YOU) could become one with. A true vessel. They and likely others from the town as a result of Carol's influence as mayor implanted YOU in Kris so that you can grow in him.
Which after they will have YOU be Noelle's consort and have many children together. They tried having Kris fulfill that role but he just seemed against it and didn't bother too much after they found YOU as a better candidate, he's still always welcome to join however should he change his mind.

>>717897905
I imagine Fox is simply going to retire when he's done with Deltarune, maybe make more music for other projects.

>>717899058
I should try and get him to make the music for my Touhou X Deltarune fangame.

>>717897905
>Sooner or later all of our theories and fun speculation will be proven false by subsequent chapters coming out
Yes, and?

post your favorite ships

Is Chara a bad person?

>>717901017
>is the misanthrope who wanted to start a race war a bad person
no shes just... special

>>717901553
What made her hate humans so much? Was she a weird autist like Kris, but actually got treated accordingly by his/her human relatives?

>>717894372
He only has a limited time before he becomes practically immobile. You can just wait him out when he's trying to beat you with a hockey stick.

>>717902150
I think I've elaborated before when asked, granted I'm not the anon who said in this thread this time, the one who said might honestly be the usual shitposter.
But in my case I found Zi-O to be hugely inconsistent in quality even if I found the show to be pretty funny, some of the scenes cut for pacing felt essential for the show's plot and characters. Zero-One's job competion arc and finale sucked, there was also a lot of stuff that got cut due to Covid and had to be left to the Thouser special. I found Saber's first quarter to be unenjoyable aside from the slice of life scenes, I also didn't find the Shindai brothers likeable in any of the show's actual episodes. Revice went to shit after episode 18 and I can hardly find any redeeming qualities after that besides the Holy Live fight, the DeStream fight and the final episode doing a few good emotional beats, it's honestly my most hated season in this franchise since there isn't a single character that I would say I "loved" and the show's worse on a re-watch. Geats's Q3 was a massive drop in quality and didn't further properly the cast's character arcs, then the last quarter does everything in a rushed manner. I only really enjoyed Gotchard during its second quarter, otherwise it was always on a state of up and down, it's the only Rider season I would classify as a 5/10, just extremely average.
Gavv for all of its flaws I've managed to be entertained from beginning to end, I think it's because I actually like everyone from the hero cast and their dynamics plus I think the Granute are really good motw.

Either way what kind of poll of should I make? Should it be a ranking of all Rider, just a poll asking if Gavv is the season people have enjoyed the most since Build or something else?

Kris's character arc? MUH DESS.

>>717902586
>Kris's character arc
>Torn between the new friends he made, his loyalty to Dess, and his own self hatred.

>>717901637
>her

Them. Please do not assume Chara’s gender.

>>717902720
I agree.

So do y’all think that Dess is one of trans folx?

>>717902720
Alright.

I'll refer to him as Demon.

>>717902779
>Dess is Trans
Most likely candidate right now. Especially if they do go the "She's too good for this world" route.

If she's Chara 2.0, fuck no.

how would these two get along?

>>717903126
Multiple Green texts have been written about this, but basically:
>Instant dislike, especially from Dess.
>Chara enjoys teasing Dess and taking her down a peg. Dess wants to do the same thing but basically can't stand up to her.
>If Dess tries to prank her it will be repaid with interest.

>>717902586
You are not immune to tomboy deer pussy

>>717903414
Honestly, Dess seems pretty insufferable.
>"I'm a cool punk rebel."
>"Also my mom is a mayor and rich as fuck."

>>717903414
The eternal battle between tomboy deer pussy and tomboy lizard pussy

>>717871505 (OP)
The Vessel? Not a Goner version of Kris, but it's instead a Goner version of Frisk (hence the two stripes), just as Kris is AU Chara. The SOUL is just her soul, possibly the same as Undertale's. The player is going to be a vague overseer instead like Undertale.

>>717879660
Deltarune is a prequel AND a sequel.

>>717899058
I think if he gets a good flow for developing he'd do it
Deltarune isn't some insanely huge game though and it's taking him forever, so it's definitely more viable just for him to be a music man

>>717871505 (OP)
I schizotheorized as a joke that Ralsei was Hometown's ground radon emissions, and he is literally bubbling up from the depths and explains why he can access every Dark World in town despite seemingly not being brought there
That being said though, >>717882994 this has a lot more merit, although how he's in every Dark World is still up for grabs.
The next bonus boss possibly being a solo Ralsei fight does make me wonder if we'll see some sort of battle against a ralsei analogue, like maybe one (radon emissions darkner) that existed long before him and stopped every roaring before the events by simply killing the Lightners who created the Dark Fountain. Could be possible, given how old and shitty the back room of Flower King is, maybe its not secured against radon emissions

Sans Deltarune is a fed. He glows in the dark world.

>>717881851
He already lost it.

>>717886086
Why does Dess want to kill people?

>>717900570
You already did

>>717887441
Common nippon W.

>>717904650
Because she is a bored richfag who larps as a punk. Susie is the real good tomboy, Dess is the evil one.

>>717889928
Toby himself made it seem as if Mike was important desu.

>>717891559
>Asriel because that is where the evidence points,
NTA, but if you're still here, can you explain why that's the case?

>>717880740
I wonder how many people used those drawings to dox someone.
Also what images were drawn near Mar-a-lago?

>>717892383
SOULs are culminations of your very being. They hold our compassion and emotions. Kris will probably cease to be himself without one.

>>717891526
The only shitty part of chapter 2 is Suselle and Sweet Capn Cakes

>>717892150
I hope they start to go after her after the festival ferris wheel scene with Kris and nnot before

>>717905359
and the ralsei section

>>717897905
>>717898083
This. Gerson is Toby giving the okay for people to make their own takes on the story. Don't like a plottwist? Write your own story.

>>717899058
Toby said he plans to make more games in the future iirc.

>>717901017
Yes.

>>717904873
>>717904650
>Dess; "I was bored shitless and wondering what to do next... when I discovered this power."
>Susie: "For crying out loud, why a bastard like you?"
>Dess: "A gift for having to put up with this lame life in nowheresville, I guess. I did that stuff cause I could. And it got interesting, so I watched."
>Noelle: "That's your reason?! You can't be serious... You really don't care what happens to our world!?
>Dess: "Let's be honest. There's nothing great about the real world, is there? It's just dull and annoying as hell. No one accepts that's the way things are... They're just stuck with it because they can't deny it, either. Those who actually succeed in life... They just happen to be born with the magic ticket called "talent." If you don't have it, you can either accept or deny that fact until you die. That's your only choice. Once you realize that, all you have left in life is despair. The ultimate game over. Wouldn't it be better if that kind of reality was wiped away?"
>Berdley: "That's complete BS!"
>Dess: "Brats like you are so damn naive... you piss me off. Listen, you might have hopes and dreams now, but that's only because you know nothing about reality. One day you'll see...You'll be faced with the boring reality that boxes you in, no matter where you go."
>Susie: "You're the only boring thing here! If you want to disappear, go ahead! Stop dragging us into it!"
>Dess: "Sigh... Stop yelling, Punk. I understand you're all afraid and gotta act tough to cover it up, but geez...I'm telling you all of this based on my own experience in life. Think about it for a second... Once the world is covered in darkness... They'll still keep on living, oblivious to all the things around them... So how is that different from the way things are now? No, this'll make things much easier for everyone."

>>717905672
>Get told off by your best friend one last time.
No wonder his spirit can't find rest...

I want Chara to kiss Asriel

>>717887441
This is misleading, both are cooking 5 star meals. Western art btw.

>>717902720
Stfu Asriel I’m going to fuck your SISTER.

>>717903598
Do worry her brain got turned to goop from spending nearly a decade in wing gaster’s shadow ranch so now she actually HAS a reason to act like an edgy ass.

>>717906085
Asriel... That girl is no good for you.

What should be the final boss party lineup on
>Flawed route
>Perfect route
>Weird route

>>717905672
>>717906508
Asriel already abandoned her for chink pussy.

sex with susie

>>717906841
About that...

>>717906751
>flawed
Vessel, Susie, Ralsei
>Perfect
Vessel, Kris, Susie, Ralsei
>Weird
Noelle

>>717907005
Chara's cuckhold rage...

>>717906751
>Flawed route
Kris
>Perfect route
Frisk
>Weird route
Vriska

>>717905823
As kino as Dess being unabashedly evil would be NONE of Toby’s characters are pure evil. Even CHARA had the excuse of presumably being abused on the surface as to why they’re fucked in the head

>>717906751
>flawed route
>perfect route
Kris, Susie, Ralsei
>weird route
Kris and Noelle, or just Noelle

>>717906751
>Nobody saying Asriel.
Damn. Final boss being a playable character in sequel is one of the best tropes in fiction.
Anyways.
>Normal route.
Vessel, Susie, Asriel.
>Weird Route
Noelle.

>>717907794
>NONE of Toby’s characters are pure evil.
What about the people that abused Chara?????

Seriously though, I don't expect Dess to be Adachi. I could see her being Chara 2.0, but that would probably mean she would have a somewhat more sympathetic motivation. Probably serve as the inspiration for the idea that "Your choices don't matter in this world" in much the same way Chara was the inspiration for "Kill or be killed".

>>717889763
>>717890139
>>717890457
>>717890613
>throwing a pants-shitting tantrum because you were wrong
theoryfags were a mistake.

>>717883153
it was funny how he referred to everyone with he/him pronouns

>Chapter 0
>Flashback to Asriel discovering Kris alone and abandoned somewhere
>OST 0: Deltarune

>>717908703
Even Susie?

Genuinely can’t wait for Dess’ official design to get revealed and atomize all the fan designs

>>717909018
yes

>the only time dess is shown she has rounded antlers
>everyone draws her with pointed antlers
????

>>717909118
Damn. We're also being auto-saged btw.

>>717909116
How ugly do you think she's going to be?

>>717909263
people are retarded and ignore the words on screen
same thing as everyone drawing "the scene" with the thorn ring even though it's literally just a thorn in the light world

>>717909310
super ugly and only asriel and kris simp for her

>>717909269
real?

>>717906296
Dessiroth...

>>717909471
Yeah. We're on page 10 right now despite the bumps.

>>717909421
Noelle as well.

>>717909687
noelle is super ugly as well, or noelle will simp as well?

Kiss my ass, jannygger

>>717909751
>Futa
EW.

>>717909751
>Futa
WEW.

>>717909741
Noelle will simp as well.

I mean, Noelle is honestly one of Toby's more attractive characters. Buck teeth aside.

>>717871505 (OP)
Ralsei is a titan

>>717909751
I look like this

>>717905495
Seeing this image reminded me, so what if depending on what bloodtype we picked can either end up saving Susie from bloodloss, or be the wrong type and kills her?

>>717910316
>Toby locks you on the bad ending because you didn't pick the right choice years ago.
Not happening.

>>717905495
Im instead writing a Touhou X Deltarune fangame.

Probably one that would piss off Toby, depending on his views on Touhou.

I LOVE TV!

>>717910446
his views on Touhou are "Ran is best girl"

>>717910619
Yes. Which implies a inherent dislike of Grimsokyo considering canon Ran is a abused computer working for a child serial killer.