Thread 717873782

Sekiro is FromSoft's swan song.
They only released soulless mass-appealslop after this.

This but Ninja Blade

>>717873782 (OP)
Sekiro's the best game they ever made and one of the best games ever made and I will never get off its dick. I don't even know if I want a sequel for fear of tarnishing its perfect beauty.

>>717873782 (OP)
it's good but you're still a nigger

>>717874570
shits not even better than ninja gaiden 2

shame because the ending felt like they were really setting up for a possible sequel

>>717873782 (OP)
Japan as a whole has been shitting the bed with "Globohomo" game projects ever since then. I always felt like it was too good to be true when we were still getting our Bloodbornes and Sekiroes, but genuinely the only time I've felt like they're not just solely conforming to the shit we're already tired of recently, was DK Bananza, but even that game is like an 8/10 to me and not an all-time thing.

I was also getting tired about most games back in 2015-2016 but then I remember spotting Nier Automata and going "Holy! What is this!?"

I'm always hopeful something else good will happen, but FromSoftware won't be remaking the next "Demon's Souls" style of hit ever again.

>>717874570
what do people find so good about it, I'll never understand

>>717873782 (OP)
i just want another sekiro but with more focus on stealth
is that so much to fucking ask for?

>>717881142
Speaking purely for myself: the core combat is like a coolness simulator. Everything about it makes you feel cool. You're always doing something in a fight, either parrying or attacking, and you get to attack a lot. You get immediate feedback for everything that you do, too. Parrying feels cool. Hammering on your opponent's guard feels cool. It's all so satisfying, and the bounce between strings of parries and strings of hits once you've got a boss's attack rotation down feels great and looks great in a way that no other game does quite as well.

The rest of my praise is more generally applicable to Souls games and it's what you'd expect. The world is big and mysterious and atmospheric. The bosses are rad. The game looks gorgeous. That's all typical From Software stuff, and it's all good. But the switch from souls' dodge-and-punish core combat to Sekiro's system is what puts it in its own genre and is why I love it so much. I do also enjoy the other Fromsoft games, but Sekiro's just so fun to play it's in a league of its own. It's not the biggest Fromsoft game or the hardest Fromsoft game (I probably spent less time on most of these bosses than I did in DS2, I'm a shitter I know) but just the act of playing it is tons of fun in a way that's separate from those other titles.

PFFFFFFFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717873782 (OP)
That isn’t what “swan song” means

>>717883532
Technically no, he should have said magnum opus, but the "final production" aspect of Swanson refers to the retirement home that is soulless modern day fromsoft

>>717882647
Yeah see this is what I don't get, all that praise for the combat, which largely amounts to player freedom, strong presentation and a low amount of downtime, applies to any good action game. I suspect a lot of the time this kind of praise comes from people whose first or only exposure to action games outside of slow paced action RPGs is sekiro

Sekiro is a true test of skill and most of the people that hate it got FILTERED by Lady Butterfly

>>717884871
>game has the strengths that brought the dev praise while also functioning as a well-made action game on its own merits
>basically the best of both worlds, the simplest recipe for success possible, appealing to dickriders and genre enjoyers alike
it's not some mystery dude, it's just a fun game.

>>717877938
Oh, my condolences for your mental retardation. Let me help you since you are confused. Sekiro is not trying to be a spectacle action fighter like Ninja Gaiden. You need to go into Devil May Cry and original God of War threads if you want to compare Ninja Gaiden to its proper competitors. I hope that helps lift some of the fog from your brain and alleviates your frustration. Don't worry, anon, we are always willing to help point the mentally retarded like you in the right direction.

>>717873782 (OP)
Also before it

>>717885187
I feel like it's a bit too easy to be called a test of skill

>>717885187
I got filtered by the giant monkey or maybe something after it. I don't remember because it's been years since I played it, I never finished.

>>717873782 (OP)
AC6 is a masterpiece.
>>717874570
Sekiro is a game I want to love, but can't. It's simply too damn hard for how it controls.

>>717884871
Please name a few action games with fluidity and boss design on par with Sekiro. If they exist, I will play them.
But I think you are full of shit.

>>717885929
Khazan

>>717886078
played it, not even close to the feedback Sekiro has

>>717873782 (OP)
Fromsoft has only gotten better with time. The decline hasn't even appeared yet. Nothing lasts forever, so I won't be surprised when it does happen. I thought for sure Nightreign was going to be the start of the decline but it's another banger.

>>717886116
What feedback? Also that's not what you asked

>>717885929
>with fluidity
Why the hell you guys care about only fluidity and never about like... amount of game in the game? Cause sekiro is two buttons. But otherwise literally EVERYTHING platinum games ever made beats sekiro in fluidity ez, otherwise eh... god eater games? Senran kagura? idk really, not like it's my genre in the first place. Furi?

>>717885674
AC6 is fun and has a great aesthetic but at its core the gameplay isn't that interesting, there isn't much depth to it. AC has always been that way. Customization is fun but just pads widens the generally shallow gameplay.
Hard to call it a masterpiece.

>>717885338
what's funny is that main appeal of from games post bloodborne is literally THE SPECTACLE, as there's far less gameplay substance than previous titles

>>717873782 (OP)
AC6 is better.

>>717873782 (OP)
I liked elden Ring

>>717873782 (OP)
Sekiro was also a mass appealslop retard and sekirofag think their combat is so indepth and is the most hardcore game ever made

>>717886239
Oh yes, a game should be judged around how many buttons you must press at the same time instead of how well a simple system is implemented and build up.
Also
>platinum games
Most of their games are mediocre combat fluidity wise. Only pass for an actual well put together action game is Metal Gear Rising, games like Automata have fun loops but they are deep as a puddle and the difficulty is nonesense. Bayonetta's combat is just a chaotic with almost no responsiveness, expect for endless glory kill animations.

>>717873782 (OP)
>>717874570
>>717881142

Sekiro is where it all went wrong for me. Even though the game's not bad on it's own, it trimmed so much down that it became formulaic. It's parry focus gameplay is one note, but it's a short game so it works there, the problem is when soiboys copy the game game and make timed blocks the strongest mechanics. The genre no longer feels like an adventure. It's no longer about finding cool shit, secrets, dangerous bosses are just roadblocks at the end of levels instead of discoveries, you no longer build your characters, you don't find cool shit for them that's a paradigm shift, you don't discover pieces of the story and world and put them together. I think the worst thing is that Wolf has the most respected block in gaming while not even using a shield. I want to be a Cleric.

>>717886540
no, the game shouls be judged by how deep it is, not how complicated it is. Dark souls was deep with all the positioning, angling, different shit actually making character play different etc

Since ds3 positioning doesn't fucking matter at all, everything spins on place and has gap closers, this is TWO ENTIRE AXIS of infinite depth completely removed from equasion. This is retarded design.

>>717886768
>Dark souls was deep
Are you serious nigger, half of the game is roll and make one attack, then wait for the next roll. The other "builds" are run away and spam magic shit or press the block button that doesn't work against half of the games attack, so you fallback to roll and do one attack

>>717886619
Sekiro is full of finding cool shit and has a ton of midbosses and sidebosses you don't even have to fight. It's almost the antithesis of what you're describing in terms of an adventure. I never enjoyed a Fromsoft game more than Sekiro in terms of the exploration.
And although I get the whole build variety thing, I've never cared about the RPG aspects of Souls games myself. It all seems mostly superfluous. Big weapon or small weapon, gameplay doesn't actually change much.

>>717885929
>Nioh2 or any tn game
>Godhand
>Furi
>Monster hunter
Sekiro just have better visual presentation and sound design which is the main reason its so popular among normies

>>717886917
Godhand and Furi I agree, also good taste, anon.
Monster hunter is a the anti thesis of an action game, so I have no idea how its in that list. 90% of the weapons feel like they take an hour to execute, I hate it.
Nioh2 is alright, but the bosses are clunky and not remotely as precise and well-designed as Sekiro bosses

>>717885929
Bloodborne's combat is much better, because it includes tactical fluidity as well as the physical violence. Sekiro is entirely focused on timing. Bloodblorne, you can change the tide of battle through both attacking during the right moments, and attacking along the right vectors. Where you strike is just as important as when. What you attack with is also important, and enemy knowledge and diversifying your arsenal as a hunter are rewarded.
In Sekiro, you have to go out of your way to use prosthetics and the Shinobi Arts , and they are there entirely for style, you can play the game without both to completion.

>>717887234
are you one of those people who play these games like soulslop?

>>717886882
yes, the fact that it wasn't being pushed to it's limits doesn't mean it wasn't deep. It was full of possibilities, it wasn't fucking binary. Sekiro is borderline QTE mw 1Souls is sandbox. Monster Hunter still creates new shit with 1souls dynamic mw actual souls stagnate making shitties and shittier bosses with ER being peak of garbage

>>717887315
>Standing in the side of the enemy, he isn't even targeting you, looking into the void, doesn't rotate properly or trace you, then basically a combo animation in which no actual combat happens
Yeah great action

>>717886768
>all the positioning, angling
This is the same for Sekiro as well, proper positioning can make a lot of combos way easier to manage and counterattack to, nothing about the game forces you to stand still.

>>717887234
>90% of the weapons feel like they take an hour to execute, I hate it.
That's where the depth and fluidity comes from. Watch anyone half decent with GS and the combat will look incredibly fluid.
I mean you like Godhand and that game looks like dogshit if you're dogshit. Same with MH.

>>717886290
How is there less gameplay substance in Elden Ring over Ds1?

>>717886270
AC6 was my first Armored Core, and I was surprised at how little control you have over your mercenary enterprise. It's really not any different from the modern Fromsoft title focused entirely around the bossfight and forgetting all else.

>>717873782 (OP)
Elden Ring doesn't have Souls in the title after all

>>717887234
Nioh bosses are better design fight wise than sekiro
Parry is way to overpowered in sekiro and you can win against almost every boss by spamming parry button, metalgearRR did this type of parry way better
https://youtu.be/Yf1bCGQ48c4?feature=shared

>>717887403
Really shows how ignorant sekirofag are, they only play fromtard game

>>717887248
I like both, but bloodborne is incredible easy, I cleared almost each boss in a few tries, some even first try. Only the DLC was something with some substance.
Sekiro doing the Gauntlets with the curse and without Kuro's charm is actually a tough challange

>>717887248
I play bloodborne with saw cleaver and blunderbuss and rape everything no problem

>>717887639
A game build around parrying and it's really consistent and allows you to clear the game by only parrying.
Only on this cursed board you will hear a retard argue that this is a bad thing.
Also in your shitty video the enemies aren't even responding, I'm just watching a fag who learned a string of inputs and spams them like a retard with the enemies not even responding, it's just braindead and has nothing to do with good, intuitive combat in an action game

>>717886270
Depends on how much depth you're looking for. A full melee build would have been a nice build option. Forcefields didn't even need to exist, especially not for bosses. Buffing smaller weapons might not have been a bad idea, either. But, it's still one of the best mech games ever made.

>>717887702
Didn't even attempt to refute my argument, Monster Hunter is the perfect game for your tiny brain

>>717887639
>>717886239
>Spam your combo moveset non-stop at the boss until he's dead
That's the opposite of a balanced and fluid game, it's like the other side of the Elden Ring boss moveset cancer. When people talk about Sekiro's fluidity it encompasses everything, not just how the moveset flows from action to action but how combats are all an actual back and forth between you and the enemies and bosses, the timing for everything is spot on so it doesn't look too over the top nor too grounded which compliments the vibe the game has perfectly

>>717886768
I agree anon. Dark Souls 3 is easily the worst in the series because enemies will slide step you to always be in range when they attack, and positioning is entirely gone in that game. ( Along with a whole lot else) I don't really agree that Elden Ring is like that, because freerunning is so powerful in that game and can be done immediately from any action. You can create space in Elden Ring, as well as having stronger blocks, jumping, and ducking, which do work even if they aren't always clear that they will. It's not just Rollspam.

>>717887847
>Also in your shitty video the enemies aren't even responding
Another great example that fromslopper don't play anything other than soulskiro
Retard that first enemy is very agressive and has hyper armor yet if you're good in nioh you can stunlock anything unlike in sekiro where player expression is very limited
https://youtu.be/cF0vohJr-Zs?feature=shared

>>717887248
Nigger you can smash R1 with the saw cleaver and beat every single boss in the game (even stun lock a handful of them) you have to go out of your way to do shit like gun parries and transformed attacks. Still, Sekiro and Bloodborne are both the best games From has combat wise precisely because they both understand combat fluidity and their moveset are built from top to bottom around this, unlike the other Souls games.

That being said I feel Sekiro is a step up in quality even though Bloodborne is my favorite game they've ever made.

No point agreeing to a sekirofag since he will only only play sekiro and drop any game that is outside his comfort zone and label it bad

>>717888172
>When you are really good you can stunlock everything
Yeah, that's an amazing action game right there. When you are good enough the enemies do not even respond.
Just how low is your IQ that you consider that even an argument for good game design?

>>717888172
>if you're good in nioh you can stunlock anything
This does not make for good combat, this is in the same level of just DMC juggling enemies around.

Sekiro is literally the game that opened the normalfag floodgates. It is the most streamlined and most accessible From game by far.
>but it's le hard!
Normalfags weren't avoiding their games because of mechanical challenge. Casual audiences are actually quite receptive to safe-difficult games (Geometry Dash being the most obvious example) what turned them off about From games was the frictional additions like getting lost or softlocking stats, weird RPG mechanics, lack of cutscenes and narrative, and oppressive multiplayer systems.

Sekiro essentially killed the soulslike, fully metastizing the genre into a flashy and hard but ultimately simple and streamlined boss rush style game.

>>717887639
Metal Gear Rising makes it work by being 5 hours long. Parry/timed blocks are not a compelling enough mechanic for a real game. It simply wears out it's welcome.

>>717888336
don't oversell it, nioh can be boiled down to
>am I in the right stance for this enemy
>did I ki pulse correctly so as to maximize stamina management
>am I the appropriate level for this encounter
I like nioh but c'mon man, don't be so dishonest.

>>717888364
Exactly! At no point in Sekiro will you be lost, confused, underpowered, or have to accrue power and knowledge and understand the world and your foes to win by the skin of your teeth. Sekiro is a series of admittedly visually impressive bossbatles, but it completely lacks in the problem solving and heroic ardor of a true adventure.

>>717888773
What right stance retard?
Stances are there to extend your combos because when you unlock flux(ki pulse when switching stance) you will never use normal ki pulse
You also unlock a ability that allow you to do a forward attack when done a perfect flux, combining this with the ability to slot different moveset in different stance opens up a lot of player expression
I like sekiro but c'mon man, don't be so ignorant.

>>717888886
Thanks chatgpt

>>717873782 (OP)
notice how From's best titles come when they put restrictions on the player
Bloodborne wants to be aggressive and fast and the game is balanced around that, Sekiro limits you to one playstyle with some gimmicks and balances around that

>>717889094
>player expression

>>717887639
>it's a combo spam video where the players abuse stunlock after stunlock
I sleep. Here's how a real boss fight should be
https://youtu.be/2GCrHAY4DP8

>>717888773
Got to agree with other anon. I really don't want to sound like a soulsfag elitist, but if you're thinking of "the right stance," then you're not playing nioh (or you're a new player).

Nioh has a low skill floor and a very high skill ceiling. You think about the right stance when you first play the game, this comes from the lack of weapon skills and personal skill. As time goes on, your thought should be the stylish combo you'll be pulling instead.

>>717886619
>you no longer build your characters
Ah, there it is, classic soulsdrone brainrot.
They simply cannot fathom playing a named character that works in a specific way, no, they have to BUILD their own character according to their tastes, they NEED to play the game how THEY want to play it.

Absolute fucking nigger, Sekiro is an action game, and as such theres not much to build variety. Its a polished game intended to be played a specific way, not a rpgslop that has to accomodate for even the most retarded of playstyles.

The best thing about Sekiro is just how effortlessly cool it can get sometimes

>>717890537
Sure. I mean I played and beat Sekiro and any number of games with fixed protags. Every Metroid, Zelda, Castlevania, DMC, most Ninja Gaidens, especially the old ones, and Pitfall:The Lost Expedition.
I come to Fromsoft for the unique experience of a strange and obscure RPG experience with character building married to exploration. If I wanted to play a game with a fixed protag, there's no end to those games to choose from.

You who are a casual nugaems ape are the one most impressed with his first action game Sekiro and think it's anything special. This is the game were Fromsoft basically didn't even try. Faggotniggerretard.

>>717891353
>Faggotniggerretard
you are exactly the kind of person I would have expected to grade school insults

>>717891353
I think you're just trolling but you can't seriously believe Souls games provide a unique RPG experience. How in the fuck does the gameplay change? You're playing a "fixed protag" that just has shit locked behind stats then you just pick what you want to unlock and either fight in melee or shoot magic. The rest is just dressup.

>>717891892
>just has shit locked behind stats then you just pick what you want to unlock and either fight in melee or shoot magic
The RPG experience comes from building a unique character and toolset that's mutually exclusive to other options. The very first time you pick up the spell Force, you have a unique approach to dangerous scenarios that completely changes how you play. This continues with every FIND. You only become more powerful through exploration and discovery. You cannot win from your base character level, you have to explore to get stronger, and you have to get stronger to get to the end, and your strength develops into a specific character unique from others you might develop, unique from what you started as. Obviously this is different from playing Hagane: The Final Conflict where you start the game and end the game exactly the same and you cannot change, find anything to make you stronger, or make any discoveries that will help you.
You didn't seriously start as a bandit and used an unupgraded Battle Axe your entire first playthrough of Dark Souls 1, did you?

>>717885496
i see it as a test of patience more than anything
pretty much anyone can beat it if they try enough
>>717890749
kek the running